If the world itself is more screwed then dark souls one, damn near everyone is stuck in a constant cycle of decay, and everyone in a position to fix things are it looking at their personal agendas rather than the big picture?
@@harrylane4 Had to get that platinum trophy, after all. You know, some day I'll do the route where I cure myself of the Frenzied Flame and get a good ending without Melina dying.
'Tarnished, you goober, if you want to go to deeproot you could just go and kill the valiant gargoyle duo, I truly couldn't care if your end goal is to plow Fia the necrophilliac but please, take a route that doesn't take you within breathing distance of what is literally pure destruction and chaos'
@@El_Hornio_II "It's the gargoyle duo, though. Like, sure this way may be much longer, requires me to kill Morgott and fake Mohg, and comes with a considerable risk of falling to my death multiple times, but at least I don't have to deal with the gargoyle gank. What can I say? Dark Souls traumatized me." "Besides, Hyetta is still in Liurnia begging passersby for horrible human grapes. I couldn't open those doors even if I wanted to."
@@RelativelyBestI killed Hyetta because she asked for *_"grapes"_* and for some reason, she said the Name of He Who Shall Not Be Named, and I kinda blacked out for a second. *_I still miss you, Brother Yura._* So yeah, Idek if I could seek the Flame even if I wanted to.
@@Jamushu Come to think of it, Shabriri is the only NPC I'll attack unprovoked because it's the only way to get the Ronin set without going for the Frenzied Flame ending.
@@HellecticMojoiirc she takes torrent back in the frenzy ending, and since you're not protected by the erdtree's grace anymore while she is empowered by the deathrune, she intends to avenge the world.
I went down to this area once so I could use the alternate route to Deeproot Depths. Forget the Frenzied Flame, I never want to do that platforming section again!
I’m with you. I have learned to keep my cool with fromsoft games dying multiple times, but going down these platforms was so hard I threw my controller lol
I want someone to do a fan comic or something about that. Like, Melina is begging the tarnished not to seek the frenzied flame and the tarnished, having no idea what she’s talking about is like “yeah yeah yeah. Listen. There’s a secret down here. It looks like this is a dead end, but actually, one of these walls… is secretly a door!” Melina looks absolutely terrified right up until the tarnished hits the illusory wall and opens the way to the deep root depths. Then he chides her being like “see? Look at this beautiful view! And you were so worried about absolutely nothing. Let’s continue.” And then Melina sighs a heavy sigh of relief, wipes the sweat off her brow and follows after him. If I had any artistic skill I’d do it myself, but, you know.
I found a video explaining the theory that since Melina’s lore (from her dagger) kinda explains that she is the kindling maiden … blah blah of Destined Death kinda explains (if true) that if you, the Tarnished, allows the Frenzied flame to destroy and kill everyone and everything, it denies her of her very purpose. “I'm searching for my purpose given to me by my mother inside the Erdtree long ago, for the reason that I yet live, burned and bodyless. There is something for which I must apologize. I've acted the finger maiden yet I can offer no guidance, I am no maiden. My purpose was long ago lost...” “The Erdtree...is close. Only a little further till the foot of the Erdtree, and the accord is fulfilled. It takes me back. I was born at the foot of the Erdtree. Where mother gave me my purpose. Though now, everything is lost to me. I...have to ascertain for myself. The reason for which I live, burned and bodiless.” So since Death Rune was destroyed - she is without purpose and she is trying to get it back or something like that.
@@shigabim She also is traumatized to way beyond the point of psychosis and shouldn't be taken all that seriously. She's just very confused about everything.
Yes Melina, you're right. However I met this dude Shabriri who started to say stuff like MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WOOORLD and I think he's a pretty cool and chill one so Imma get naked and go through that red door now.
Melina is practically pointing us to the entrance before we've even discovered it xD Melina: "Don't go there!" Tarnished: "Where?" Melina: "There! Don't go there! It'd be really bad if you went in this particular direction!" Tarnished: "I see... you're saying there are really bad things in this direction?" Melina: "Yes, exactly! Really bad things! Definitely don't go in this particular direction if you have really bad intentions!" Tarnished: "I heard you loud and clear. If I have really bad intentions, I should definitely go in this particular direction." Melina: "No no no, you're not listening! Don't go in this particular direction or the world will come to a horrible end!" Tarnished: "I got you. I'll be on my way now going in this particular direction that you don't want me to go." Melina: "Oh no... I think I'm not making myself clear..." Tarnished: "Oh you're being very clear, my love :)"
She almost guilt tripped me into it the first time but I like the cosmetic too much with white mask and I found a way to get it the first try every time. Essential for the most important quality in Elden that is appearance lol
Who really knows, after the ending the only one who can kill the lord is destined death, and the only one who can completely make spirits cease to exist is the frenzy flame. Prob both they will die istantly
@@TheLotterySack mmm, she is the vessel of the rune destined death, normal process of dying. With it she can slay the frenzy flame lord, but well it doesnt well good neither for her because the frenzy can kill even spirits and gods if ignited
I went there out of curiosity and regret every second. It's so damn annoying with the parkour and Melina with the Frenzied Flame dialogue. Like relax I just wanted to loot and leave 💀
the best ending are always those where you go against the established order like why should I care about a woman purpose in life that I just met in a world where death is at every corner nah man look out for yourself cuz no one will and I think Melina is just being used without her knowledge or she is I dunno
Frenzied Flame is ultimately a very misanthropic ending, where you become fed up and seek to burn out all traces of the Golden Order which ended up bringing an unbelievable amount of despair and suffering unto the world. You bring back what was before, flame unending, and permanently remove the option to ever corrupt the Elden Ring through some corrupted mending runes. But it then becomes a big moral dilemma, is ending literally everything and everyone, along with the Golden Order, really the best way to stop all suffering? All the small joys people experience, the friends and relationships they make, beauty they find in the world, the world may be broken but it's not fully hopeless. You are preventing things from ever getting better, any joy from ever being experienced. Most people see this as an objectively bad ending, but I'd say it's neither. It's a different third option outside the good and bad endings. Most people just don't understand such deep misanthropy.
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"However ruined this world has become, however mired in torment and despair. Life endures. Births continue. There is beauty in that, is that not?"
Not really
@@cajs9964 💀💀💀
Bitch we’re in a dark fantasy world.
If the world itself is more screwed then dark souls one, damn near everyone is stuck in a constant cycle of decay, and everyone in a position to fix things are it looking at their personal agendas rather than the big picture?
@@cajs9964og keep those lobsters 🦞 from reproducing
Ngl she almost convinced me,those lines she said were beautiful
… almost. But unfortunately for her, I wanted to get all the endings.
@@harrylane4 Had to get that platinum trophy, after all. You know, some day I'll do the route where I cure myself of the Frenzied Flame and get a good ending without Melina dying.
May Chaos take the world 🔥🔥
“That’s a very good argument. But I wanna have a ball of fire as my head”
"Melina, seriously, relax. I'm not _crazy,_ you know? I'm just going to Deeproot Depths."
'Tarnished, you goober, if you want to go to deeproot you could just go and kill the valiant gargoyle duo, I truly couldn't care if your end goal is to plow Fia the necrophilliac but please, take a route that doesn't take you within breathing distance of what is literally pure destruction and chaos'
@@El_Hornio_II "It's the gargoyle duo, though. Like, sure this way may be much longer, requires me to kill Morgott and fake Mohg, and comes with a considerable risk of falling to my death multiple times, but at least I don't have to deal with the gargoyle gank. What can I say? Dark Souls traumatized me."
"Besides, Hyetta is still in Liurnia begging passersby for horrible human grapes. I couldn't open those doors even if I wanted to."
@@RelativelyBestI killed Hyetta because she asked for *_"grapes"_* and for some reason, she said the Name of He Who Shall Not Be Named, and I kinda blacked out for a second. *_I still miss you, Brother Yura._*
So yeah, Idek if I could seek the Flame even if I wanted to.
@@Jamushu Come to think of it, Shabriri is the only NPC I'll attack unprovoked because it's the only way to get the Ronin set without going for the Frenzied Flame ending.
@@RelativelyBest is shabiri the reason I couldn't get the ronin set?? I'm on my first play through and sadly found out yura is gone from my world
Whats hilarious is that if you went in there without knowing what was there, Melina may have enticed you
"...The power to destroy the world, you say?"
game design, baby
Remember that Torrent chose you, not her.
That's one evil horse
@@HellecticMojoiirc she takes torrent back in the frenzy ending, and since you're not protected by the erdtree's grace anymore while she is empowered by the deathrune, she intends to avenge the world.
I went down to this area once so I could use the alternate route to Deeproot Depths. Forget the Frenzied Flame, I never want to do that platforming section again!
I’m with you. I have learned to keep my cool with fromsoft games dying multiple times, but going down these platforms was so hard I threw my controller lol
I want someone to do a fan comic or something about that.
Like, Melina is begging the tarnished not to seek the frenzied flame and the tarnished, having no idea what she’s talking about is like “yeah yeah yeah. Listen. There’s a secret down here. It looks like this is a dead end, but actually, one of these walls… is secretly a door!” Melina looks absolutely terrified right up until the tarnished hits the illusory wall and opens the way to the deep root depths. Then he chides her being like “see? Look at this beautiful view! And you were so worried about absolutely nothing. Let’s continue.” And then Melina sighs a heavy sigh of relief, wipes the sweat off her brow and follows after him.
If I had any artistic skill I’d do it myself, but, you know.
That's how I always get to Deeproot Depths. I just don't like fighting the gargoyles. Plus, there's good loot along the way.
Sounds like she is Trying to talk you out of drug use
Correction: she doesn't stop you, she attempts to convince you to not become the lord of frenzied flame
Sorry Melina, I want all the trophies
Listen girl, i want that seal and my plat trophy
"I'm going to this just once, I swear"
Me: Dont worry, I have a plan.
Melina: What sound plan would possibly involve the frenzied flame?
Me: *pulling out Miquellas Needle*
Wait a minute
ya right i’m gonna go blasting like cyclops after i jump down a big hole
😂
She sounds like she may be hiding something, but with good intentions
Maybe that's just me
I found a video explaining the theory that since Melina’s lore (from her dagger) kinda explains that she is the kindling maiden … blah blah of Destined Death kinda explains (if true) that if you, the Tarnished, allows the Frenzied flame to destroy and kill everyone and everything, it denies her of her very purpose.
“I'm searching for my purpose given to me by my mother inside the Erdtree long ago, for the reason that I yet live, burned and bodyless.
There is something for which I must apologize. I've acted the finger maiden yet I can offer no guidance, I am no maiden.
My purpose was long ago lost...”
“The Erdtree...is close. Only a little further till the foot of the Erdtree, and the accord is fulfilled. It takes me back. I was born at the foot of the Erdtree. Where mother gave me my purpose. Though now, everything is lost to me. I...have to ascertain for myself. The reason for which I live, burned and bodiless.”
So since Death Rune was destroyed - she is without purpose and she is trying to get it back or something like that.
@@shigabim She also is traumatized to way beyond the point of psychosis and shouldn't be taken all that seriously. She's just very confused about everything.
@@cyrusol Yeah but who ISN'T traumatized in this universe lmfao
To anyone who gave themselves to the Frenzied Flame, I’ve only one thing to say. “The depths of your foolishness!”
Yes Melina, you're right. However I met this dude Shabriri who started to say stuff like MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WOOORLD and I think he's a pretty cool and chill one so Imma get naked and go through that red door now.
Melina is practically pointing us to the entrance before we've even discovered it xD
Melina: "Don't go there!"
Tarnished: "Where?"
Melina: "There! Don't go there! It'd be really bad if you went in this particular direction!"
Tarnished: "I see... you're saying there are really bad things in this direction?"
Melina: "Yes, exactly! Really bad things! Definitely don't go in this particular direction if you have really bad intentions!"
Tarnished: "I heard you loud and clear. If I have really bad intentions, I should definitely go in this particular direction."
Melina: "No no no, you're not listening! Don't go in this particular direction or the world will come to a horrible end!"
Tarnished: "I got you. I'll be on my way now going in this particular direction that you don't want me to go."
Melina: "Oh no... I think I'm not making myself clear..."
Tarnished: "Oh you're being very clear, my love :)"
but i must save you melina
Melina should be final boss of frenzied flame ending
"Lol"
"Lmao"
She almost guilt tripped me into it the first time but I like the cosmetic too much with white mask and I found a way to get it the first try every time. Essential for the most important quality in Elden that is appearance lol
I never knew about this dialogue, I thought she just threatens you
I really wish we could have saved her
Funny, you actually CAN if you go against at her wishes 😂
@@domanskikid it sucks so bad tho 😭
Well you can save her.
You take the frenzy, then sacrifice yourself at the forge, and then you use the neddle to revert it
@@domanskikid "Ha, just like a woman"
You can. The game doesn't acknowledge it though. Her storyline kinda feels abandoned.
i wish there was a boss fight between the player and melina
And as a finisher you can come on her face
Who really knows, after the ending the only one who can kill the lord is destined death, and the only one who can completely make spirits cease to exist is the frenzy flame. Prob both they will die istantly
@@Dominic-wh9qk did melina become destined death in the ending with her eye changing color
@@TheLotterySack mmm, she is the vessel of the rune destined death, normal process of dying. With it she can slay the frenzy flame lord, but well it doesnt well good neither for her because the frenzy can kill even spirits and gods if ignited
she also talks at the bottom one
Girl I need the achievement FOH
bae protecting you from getting the dumbest ending 🙏 gotta love her
goated*
@@heygamers48 if goat stands for Greatly Overrated Absolute Trash, then yes, it's hella goated
Nah fuck this world frenzied flame all the way
@@unforgiven1889 that's great son. And how was your day in 6th grade today? Did you fingerpaint some maidens for daddy?
@@yyakaemun wtf are you talking about?
I went there out of curiosity and regret every second. It's so damn annoying with the parkour and Melina with the Frenzied Flame dialogue. Like relax I just wanted to loot and leave 💀
Tarnished: Nah.
the best ending are always those where you go against the established order like why should I care about a woman purpose in life that I just met in a world where death is at every corner nah man look out for yourself cuz no one will and I think Melina is just being used without her knowledge or she is I dunno
Melina perhaps you should have actually been around more
Cus i do not care what you say, now if someone else said it maybe I would
Good argument, but did you take into consideration that MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD?
Frenzied Flame is ultimately a very misanthropic ending, where you become fed up and seek to burn out all traces of the Golden Order which ended up bringing an unbelievable amount of despair and suffering unto the world. You bring back what was before, flame unending, and permanently remove the option to ever corrupt the Elden Ring through some corrupted mending runes. But it then becomes a big moral dilemma, is ending literally everything and everyone, along with the Golden Order, really the best way to stop all suffering? All the small joys people experience, the friends and relationships they make, beauty they find in the world, the world may be broken but it's not fully hopeless. You are preventing things from ever getting better, any joy from ever being experienced. Most people see this as an objectively bad ending, but I'd say it's neither. It's a different third option outside the good and bad endings. Most people just don't understand such deep misanthropy.
To hate your own race so much that you want to subject them to such lows is, by definition, bad. Thereby making it a bad ending.
Melina never went thru pure despair and pain
Have you?
she just wanted to see us a slave not a FLAME GOD!