I know just how you feel man. You can forgive anyone for anything, except yourself. I admire you for not chucking it in the scrap bin and making another which you could have done quite easily and we'd never have known.
I think that is what most UA-camrs do. I try to film as I go, within one day. I'm sure many spend weeks or months making that perfect part. I don't have that luxury.
The additional work and stress of filming for us viewers is phenomenal, most people as busy as yourself just wouldn’t bother. We’re all grateful that you do Josh, thank you 🙏.
Thank God for Teflon underwear ! They make getting bit in the butt so much less painful ! "LIKE" button has been torqued to the manufacturer's recommended specification. "CLICK". God forbid you should be running around Spooner there with a loose "LIKE" button !
Your mic has a lot of sibilance in it. (the cutting S sound) Turn down the highs above about 5k on the EQ (can probably just go with a high shelf filter) and they will go away.
I like seeing operators pushing the equipment. It lets me know how much can actually be done. I had formal machinist training 45 years ago and all the projects were small so I never got to see anything like what you're working on, It definitely helps me in my home shop. And if you're not making mistakes you're not doing anything!
Thank you. I do get a lot of comments on abusing them. Like I said, a machine is a consumables. They are consumed in the course of business. Most of mine have been consumed by previous owners. Same with all of the machines in hobby service out there. They were all consumed and replaced.
I was an instructor in an aviation maintenance school for many years. When I was in my thirties I could talk giving a detailed explanation as I performed (demonstrated) the task. Now, I am eighty and I can either walk OR chew gum. I appreciate your efforts, Sir. Keep it up.
I worked at a production shop that used much cutting oil. We cleaned the machine sumps twice daily and the Scharf was centrifuged to capture. Occasionally new oil to bring the oil cutting quqlities back to specs.
I really enjoy your channel. I'm a retired Industrial Arts teacher, took a machine shop class in college which made me an expert machinist (wink, wi k) Made lots of mistakes. Worked at production machine shop, up in New York running Browne and Sharpe screw machines. Was just learning to set them up when I returned to teaching. Very good machines if well maintained. (Tool sharpening)
Nice work Josh. I like seeing the horizontal milling machine in action. Nothing wrong with elongated holes Josh. Don't beat yourself up. Called being a human being. Have a great day. Take care, Ed.
I like the slotted bolthole expansion slots. This allows for heat related expansion, summer and winter, without putting stress on the mounting bolts. Great idea... 😉
Thanks Josh, I really enjoyed watching your project take shape, and I really admire your calm approach - my Swear Box would be full. Bonus points for sharing your mistakes - we all make them, but it takes character to admit to them publicly. To err is human, but to really screw up you need machine tools...
Anyone who says they don't make mistakes is a liar. I want this channel to be open and honest. I could have edited that out like so many others, but what do we gain from that?
Great video. First off - I really like seeing machines pushed properly taking big cuts and sending the chips flying. It's what they are for! Most yootoober "machinists" are just Hobbyists and don't understand the time constraints in a working machine shop. Making a part is one thing. Making it to a drawing, in tolerance and high quality and FAST in order to make a living is something different again. Also - appreciate your honesty and transparency on the error. Hey - you're hooman too! It's a good lesson to witness and understand. All the best, your content continues to educate and inform. That anchorlube is amazing stuff. It can stain metal - something to be aware of - but it takes a while so just wipe it off when done, no probs.
Josh, I notice you dont use spot drills much. Now, your running much bigger drills than I am most the time, do they not walk as easy? Do better chucks and tools not require as much babysitting?
Very rare that I use spotting drills. Usually I drill with screw machine drills. Also using better technique when starting helps. The biggest problem I see with hobby machinists is the use of a drill chuck for everything. I have a chuck for the Bridgeport, that has not been used in 7 years. Collets for everything and have multiple sizes to properly hold your tools help.
Hi Josh, while I am not that tall, I certainly understand what you mean about machines being too low to be comfortable. I am interested in seeing your solution on raising the mill to a more comfortable height.
I have, doing the same thing, my mind is on the next step; rather than the one at hand - hence a bugger up. As long as you can make it work without starting over again who really cares
Running what I got for a cutter, but I can't climb mill with this machine right now. Something is messed up in the backlash eliminator. Someday, I will tear into it.
Josh, We both know we've had our GD it and SOB moments and even a F_ _ _ thrown in at times. But the measure of our mettle isnt to grovel and quit but figure a way to proceed and try not to make that mistake again. It usually works...Ya did good, it works, and you showed everyone how easily things can go kattywhompuss in an instant, and then how you proceeded to remedy the situation.....2 days of dry weather here finally, wood's all stacked now, time to get back in the shop, projects are backing up.... Don
Great idea. Problem is I scrapped a lot of that stuff after the completed job or the customer went out of business. I'll do some looking and see what I can do.
We all do that at work sometimes lol. I didn't like people coming over to me for a chat when I was trying to concentrate whether it was on a milling machine or a lathe or whatever as I was easily distracted.
Josh I can sure relate to trying to film and work at the same time. I make little 1 minute or so videos with my phone to share with my friends and family, but I always wait to film them after the work is done and that is even a bitch to do for me. Trying to film and talk for one minute is a simple task but i find myself searching for words so I know it must be hard when you film/talk and work at the same time. Viewers should recognize what you creators must do to make these videos for us to learn from and enjoy. thanks again for all your time and effort.
Thank you. Yes, it is crazy the amount of focus and work to make these videos. I have great respect for many who also do this, not all of them though. Lol. Some cheat and have teams of help.
Thank you and always a pleasure to watch your work and see your shop. The old US made machines are solid workhorses and are there to provide service. I recall using the Johnson saw, as a newbie in the 70's to support tool and fixture constructional at a rotational molding factory. The good old days. Take care and I look forward to your next project. Cheers.
@@TopperMachineLLCVery true. Make it work and if it breaks fix it and put it back to work. Here’s an old observation that’s as true today as it’s ever been. “Some use their machines. Some abuse their machines, and some make love to their machines.”
Would a simple sketch/drawing help keep you focused, I know building stuff from scratch is insanely difficult...let alone filming and all that! Keep em coming!!!!
I had it all written down. I even said the correct distance. Then I got a phone call. I remembered it and we talked about something 1/2". Distractions are usually what get me. Some jobs I actually lock the door and disconnect the phone. It would have helped on this one.
If your not making mistakes your probably a couch commander, not a machinist. What your not perfect! Nobody is so just keep on keeping on Josh. What’s going on with wood mill shop?
A DAQ (dumb ass question) for ya: At a couple points in the initial milling of the block, we saw it throw sparks. What causes that, especially since it did not consistently throw sparks across the entire cut? Is that from work hardening creating in earlier cutting ops, perhaps from saw cuts?
Great work Josh, that little slip up is called tolerance. As you mentioned the Cincinnati Horizontal Mill is quite low for you. Are you looking at a 6 inch rise from the floor or higher.
Thanks for the video. You are always interesting. The mistake is ok. You know what your need is and if it will work for you. That was a lot of material to remove but you got the job done. It is good to see you.
I think you will really like an 8” lift on that Cinci. I have my Cinci Toolmaster up almost that much and that is a taller sort of machine to begin with. Be interesting to see what sorts of murk are in the sump of that machine. The feeds gearbox and the sump below it of my HBM contained a good inch of sludge and other substances that science doesn’t even know about. And that was supposed to be lubricating oil, not cutting oil/coolant.
It's my understanding that milling vices, same as a work bench vice should be at elbow height, keeps your back straight, yes Knee Mills change height, but most parts are of similar size. The cinncinati and Bridgeport are way to low for you, me being 5' 7" (1.7 metre), there fine, though horizontal Mills are still a it low. Spot on, ref using machine tools hard, my machine shop experience was on time cards, though I was an apprentice, so some leeway was permitted, often heard some proper machinists swear at the time allowed on some jobs. Great work, thanks for sharing. Regards John
@@TopperMachineLLC 8" sounds about right, there were a few guys who had spent several decades on lathes and had a hump on their back, it was only they when walked past that it seemed noticeable. I think in Europe, average height has increased since 1940's ref better diet etc, less so in the US, having better diet/plentiful. For the UK, many who served in world war 1, experienced better food than in civilian life, the working class were slaves as near as. Keep up the good work 👏
A machine is a consumable. It is consumed in the course of doing business. You're not going to replace parts that cost almost as much as a new machine. As for accounting, it is a capital investment.
Dear Topper, I am looking for a decent Bridgeport for around $3000.00 and I have seen them listed for $12,000.00 and $24,000.00 dollars. I am confused as to why people are greedy for money after covid and charging so much money. I remember seeing prices around $1500.00 to $2000.00 five years ago but today these cannot be touched.
Yeah Josh, Keith I had watched a previous episode from you. And this cutting, drilling. Also I really like the stuff as well. Considering my equipment is in my basement. The wifey isn't throwing a fit, versus oil based products.
I really discovered horizontals when I got my Deckel FP3 which is an excellent horizontal and vertical mill. Material removal is so economical with it and the added rigidity definitely shows with large cutters
@@TopperMachineLLC CNC has its advantages but oftentimes it just takes waaay longer to set up than to do it by hand. And also inserts are a (costly) consumable. Most tooling for horizontals is some normal large cutter than can be sharpened a million times.
Nice job of salvaging the mistake. In reality, it won't make any difference to the functioning of the tool holder, because you just have oval holes instead of round holes, but the bolts will still locate exactly. If you'd been off in two directions, that would have been a problem. Looking forward to seeing this shop made tool in action next time.
If Bridgeport wanted you to take small passes they'd have given the machine a smaller cutter. It's not cheap to make big cutters so they are sized like that for a reason - and it's not to look shiny. haha. :)
I wasnt thinking you push it to hard, I was thinking Im so happy Im not on a Bridgeport and go tiny 100thou baby steps 😂😂 On my machine at work I take 200 thou with 3 inch cut width or 250 thou because the tool has not more cutting depth.
The shaper is a temporamental old bird in the current state, I am not surprised you want to do some upgrading....did you, at any point, wish you had stuck with the bridgeport 😶
In the words of the famous machinist Clint Eastwood, “Improvise, adapt, and overcome”. One thing that continues to bother me is the lack of means to securely hold parallels against the jaws; spring steel as you’ve shown for larger pieces, bits of soda can for smaller, but there has to be another way. Spending some time playing with pieces of bar stock with two pair of threaded “nubs” / bosses on the interior faces onto which round springs can be placed to keep the parallels Gutenteit against the jaw faces. Would greatly appreciate input / feedback on this.
I've been doing this almost 25 years, and wasting time securing parallels is not necessary. The bent strapping, rubber bands, dab of grease, etc is more than sufficient to hold them where they need to be. Biggest problem with parallels is that most people don't take time to properly clean them or their vise before use.
If I was the customer I would rather take the elongated holes than to pay extra so you have the margin to remake it and still be in business. If it works it works.
The mistakes in life make changes to our thinking process and produce better results in the long run. Intelligence prevails and these modifications in our genes are passed along over billion years to make even more intelligent beings.
The motto of some Army special forces is "adapt and overcome". That is what you did. Sometimes things just don't to plan but in the end you just make things happen.
Hey just wanted to say I love your channel I been following your videos since you have about 900 followers. There you’re machines you’re shop your money. Who cares about these trolls who don’t have anything better than to put u down or put your work down. There not your customers and aren’t paying your bills. I like your content please keep doing you. I’ll keep watching. Appreciate ya
Exactly correct. I paid for them, I use them as I need to do my work. I've been running them like this for over 10 years with only a few minor parts replaced. Mostly bearings.
Since it is my own part, it works out. My scrap rate on paid jobs is 0.2%. Yes, I do track that. It's part of being in business. I know of a.lot.of shops that are proud of a 10% scrap rate.
I’ve been there with wrong hole locations. The crucial mistake I made was forgetting to add half the diameter of the edge finder so my hole was .100” off. Quite frustrating and sure was a rookie mistake, but at least I had extra material so my behind was saved.
Could you do me and many other beginners a big favor and mention speeds and feeds for the kind of cutter your useing it would help us understand more of whats going on. I DON'T MISS A VIDEO AND APPRECIATE YOU VERY MUCH , THANK YOU!
I'll do what I can, but speeds are quite easy to figure. Feeds are another on the mill. For me, I set the speed and adjust feed accordingly. If I'm roughing, I take whatever the machine will take, finish cuts are adjusted to what I want to finish at.
Josh, that Best Welds Blue Coolant your using in your Kool Mist, is that water based..? Also, what is the product part number is you know off hand....thanks.
I appreciate all your great work. Even the mistakes help us see how to recover from them by watching you deal with oopses and bad parts that come in the door for repairs. This all helps us noobs see how things should be done. BTW - How long did it take you to acquire all those super industrial sized monster machines? Definately big boy toys for turning out product fast! Thanks!
I hardly ever do. I always go down then back up to where I want to be. That seems to keep it true. Also keeping the Gibs tight is important. If you cant tighten them properly, it's time to have the machine rebuilt or replaced.
Regarding the height of the horizontal mill, this seems to prevalent, especially with older equipment. Do you suppose this is by design, for the equipment being intended to be mounted on reinforced raised pads, versus, being set directly on a shop floor?
Its great that you include your mistakes or oversights... some channels only include the things that 'make them look good'... whether that is reality or not!
Hi Just watched video nice cutting I learned long time ago from my elders that you have to Counter sink all your positions and double check all your locations when all your locations are correct Drill your hole. Also, a little trick after you drill countersink the hole and then run your tap ,this way the burr is on the inside and doesn't have to be done over again.
I rarely have moments like this. My scrap rate is actually 0.2%. Some shops I know brag about 10% scrap rate. This was just a distracted situation with a phone call that wasn't filmed.
All of my machines were paid for within the first few jobs. They owe me nothing. Replacing with better will come when they are wore out. Some, just aren't wearing out fast enough. Push hard, maximize profit, replace when necessary. This ain't no hobby shop.
I know just how you feel man. You can forgive anyone for anything, except yourself. I admire you for not chucking it in the scrap bin and making another which you could have done quite easily and we'd never have known.
I think that is what most UA-camrs do. I try to film as I go, within one day. I'm sure many spend weeks or months making that perfect part. I don't have that luxury.
The additional work and stress of filming for us viewers is phenomenal, most people as busy as yourself just wouldn’t bother. We’re all grateful that you do Josh, thank you 🙏.
Thank you. It is definitely a challenge doing it all
Great video Josh, keep'um coming.
Thank God for Teflon underwear !
They make getting bit in the butt so much less painful !
"LIKE" button has been torqued to the manufacturer's recommended specification. "CLICK".
God forbid you should be running around Spooner there with a loose "LIKE" button !
Your mic has a lot of sibilance in it. (the cutting S sound) Turn down the highs above about 5k on the EQ (can probably just go with a high shelf filter) and they will go away.
I like seeing operators pushing the equipment. It lets me know how much can actually be done. I had formal machinist training 45 years ago and all the projects were small so I never got to see anything like what you're working on, It definitely helps me in my home shop. And if you're not making mistakes you're not doing anything!
I don't comment on how you use your machines. You're a pro and know capabilities!
Thank you. I do get a lot of comments on abusing them. Like I said, a machine is a consumables. They are consumed in the course of business. Most of mine have been consumed by previous owners. Same with all of the machines in hobby service out there. They were all consumed and replaced.
I was an instructor in an aviation maintenance school for many years. When I was in my thirties I could talk giving a detailed explanation as I performed (demonstrated) the task. Now, I am eighty and I can either walk OR chew gum. I appreciate your efforts, Sir. Keep it up.
It gets harder with age.
@@TopperMachineLLC I'm not gonna touch that one, it's a family channel!
Question, when your drilling holes on the Bridgeport why do you not use the power feed on your quil
Dang those old Cincinnati mills are sweet!
I worked at a production shop that used much cutting oil. We cleaned the machine sumps twice daily and the Scharf was centrifuged to capture. Occasionally new oil to bring the oil cutting quqlities back to specs.
That horizontal doesn't see that much use. But when I need it, it has to be ready to go.
I really enjoy your channel. I'm a retired Industrial Arts teacher, took a machine shop class in college which made me an expert machinist (wink, wi k) Made lots of mistakes. Worked at production machine shop, up in New York running Browne and Sharpe screw machines. Was just learning to set them up when I returned to teaching. Very good machines if well maintained. (Tool sharpening)
Can’t wait to see the horizontal upgrade video. Love the horizontal mills
It can't happen soon enough. Man, that thing is short. Lol
@@TopperMachineLLC haha my Kearney and trecker 1H is the same way… I feel your pain.
Nice work Josh.
I like seeing the horizontal milling machine in action.
Nothing wrong with elongated holes Josh.
Don't beat yourself up.
Called being a human being.
Have a great day.
Take care, Ed.
I like the slotted bolthole expansion slots. This allows for heat related expansion, summer and winter, without putting stress on the mounting bolts. Great idea... 😉
Lol. But, I don't have those expansion problems. Fully climate controlled shop. Just a dumb mistake.
Thanks Josh, I really enjoyed watching your project take shape, and I really admire your calm approach - my Swear Box would be full. Bonus points for sharing your mistakes - we all make them, but it takes character to admit to them publicly. To err is human, but to really screw up you need machine tools...
Anyone who says they don't make mistakes is a liar. I want this channel to be open and honest. I could have edited that out like so many others, but what do we gain from that?
Hey don't beat yourself up shit happens. I'm looking forward to the horizontal mill teardown, always thought it was a little low to the ground. 👍👍
Hopefully I can get on that soon. It would make the machine far more usable.
Great video. First off - I really like seeing machines pushed properly taking big cuts and sending the chips flying. It's what they are for! Most yootoober "machinists" are just Hobbyists and don't understand the time constraints in a working machine shop. Making a part is one thing. Making it to a drawing, in tolerance and high quality and FAST in order to make a living is something different again. Also - appreciate your honesty and transparency on the error. Hey - you're hooman too! It's a good lesson to witness and understand. All the best, your content continues to educate and inform. That anchorlube is amazing stuff. It can stain metal - something to be aware of - but it takes a while so just wipe it off when done, no probs.
Josh, I notice you dont use spot drills much. Now, your running much bigger drills than I am most the time, do they not walk as easy? Do better chucks and tools not require as much babysitting?
Very rare that I use spotting drills. Usually I drill with screw machine drills. Also using better technique when starting helps. The biggest problem I see with hobby machinists is the use of a drill chuck for everything. I have a chuck for the Bridgeport, that has not been used in 7 years. Collets for everything and have multiple sizes to properly hold your tools help.
Now that is something I never thought of,, taking that CO2 bottle and making dry ice.. i’ll definitely use that in the future..👍👍
Your tools your rules
100% exactly. I paid for them, I use them as I see fit.
Hi Josh, while I am not that tall, I certainly understand what you mean about machines being too low to be comfortable. I am interested in seeing your solution on raising the mill to a more comfortable height.
I have, doing the same thing, my mind is on the next step; rather than the one at hand - hence a bugger up. As long as you can make it work without starting over again who really cares
If you run a bigger diameter cutter and offset so the chip is from thick to thin it really takes the vibration out of it.
Running what I got for a cutter, but I can't climb mill with this machine right now. Something is messed up in the backlash eliminator. Someday, I will tear into it.
Great video, you've shown your only human. crap happens. You were able to move on and recover the part. Thanks for taking the time to put together.
Josh,
We both know we've had our GD it and SOB moments and even a F_ _ _ thrown in at times. But the measure of our mettle isnt to grovel and quit but figure a way to proceed and try not to make that mistake again. It usually works...Ya did good, it works, and you showed everyone how easily things can go kattywhompuss in an instant, and then how you proceeded to remedy the situation.....2 days of dry weather here finally, wood's all stacked now, time to get back in the shop, projects are backing up....
Don
Josh if your ever in need for a video topic i would love fo see all the shop made tools that youve made over time .
Great idea. Problem is I scrapped a lot of that stuff after the completed job or the customer went out of business. I'll do some looking and see what I can do.
We all do that at work sometimes lol. I didn't like people coming over to me for a chat when I was trying to concentrate whether it was on a milling machine or a lathe or whatever as I was easily distracted.
It's usually the phone that gets me.
Josh check your spacers, they might need grinding to true them up.
I checked them. Mostly good. I did find some grime in there that would throw it off.
Note to self
Josh I can sure relate to trying to film and work at the same time. I make little 1 minute or so videos with my phone to share with my friends and family, but I always wait to film them after the work is done and that is even a bitch to do for me. Trying to film and talk for one minute is a simple task but i find myself searching for words so I know it must be hard when you film/talk and work at the same time. Viewers should recognize what you creators must do to make these videos for us to learn from and enjoy. thanks again for all your time and effort.
Thank you. Yes, it is crazy the amount of focus and work to make these videos. I have great respect for many who also do this, not all of them though. Lol. Some cheat and have teams of help.
How's that AnchorLube working out for you? Pretty good sized power tapped holes - cut well IMO!
I really like the stuff. I was skeptical at first, but I'm almost using it exclusively.
Thanks for sharing the whoopsies. We all can learn more with a few mistakes sprinkled in 👍😎👍
This could be a very nice part to make on the shaper :)
It would, but the horizontal was also fun and way faster
Thank you and always a pleasure to watch your work and see your shop. The old US made machines are solid workhorses and are there to provide service. I recall using the Johnson saw, as a newbie in the 70's to support tool and fixture constructional at a rotational molding factory. The good old days. Take care and I look forward to your next project. Cheers.
It's funny how so many are afraid to properly use their machines. As long as the part stays in the vise and the spindle rotates, it will take it.
@@TopperMachineLLCVery true. Make it work and if it breaks fix it and put it back to work. Here’s an old observation that’s as true today as it’s ever been. “Some use their machines. Some abuse their machines, and some make love to their machines.”
Four different machines used to make a part for a fifth machine. Impressive. Really handy having all the right gear for the job.
Those who claim to have never made a mistake are not being honest ! Glad it worked out well.
I make lots of mistakes. I may do a video and talk about some of my bigger ones. The secret is learning from those mistakes.
Would a simple sketch/drawing help keep you focused, I know building stuff from scratch is insanely difficult...let alone filming and all that!
Keep em coming!!!!
I had it all written down. I even said the correct distance. Then I got a phone call. I remembered it and we talked about something 1/2". Distractions are usually what get me. Some jobs I actually lock the door and disconnect the phone. It would have helped on this one.
If your not making mistakes your probably a couch commander, not a machinist. What your not perfect! Nobody is so just keep on keeping on Josh. What’s going on with wood mill shop?
Exactly. Sawmill shed is awaiting materials, time and money.
Hey Josh been waiting for your latest video, keep them coming. Love your channel.
A DAQ (dumb ass question) for ya: At a couple points in the initial milling of the block, we saw it throw sparks. What causes that, especially since it did not consistently throw sparks across the entire cut? Is that from work hardening creating in earlier cutting ops, perhaps from saw cuts?
Mostly from a dull insert. I adjust feed accordingly. Sometimes you just need to replace the insert.
Great work Josh, that little slip up is called tolerance. As you mentioned the Cincinnati Horizontal Mill is quite low for you. Are you looking at a 6 inch rise from the floor or higher.
Going to be 8" rise.
Thanks for the video. You are always interesting. The mistake is ok. You know what your need is and if it will work for you. That was a lot of material to remove but you got the job done. It is good to see you.
Maybe it an illusion, but from the video I think you should raise the mill about 6" minimum. 😲 Good video! Thanks!
Going to lift it 8"
That Johnson bandsaw does a really good job, very accurate cuts.
There Josh goes showing his Big'ol Johnson
I think you will really like an 8” lift on that Cinci. I have my Cinci Toolmaster up almost that much and that is a taller sort of machine to begin with. Be interesting to see what sorts of murk are in the sump of that machine. The feeds gearbox and the sump below it of my HBM contained a good inch of sludge and other substances that science doesn’t even know about. And that was supposed to be lubricating oil, not cutting oil/coolant.
I cleaned this out a couple years ago. It hasn't seen much use since, but I'm guessing it's cast iron dust that got in there. Yuck. Gonna be a mess.
I have never had to weld a hole and redrill it or use an endmill to move it or drill and tap a big plug to move the hole before........
Crap happens. Fix it and move on.
It's my understanding that milling vices, same as a work bench vice should be at elbow height, keeps your back straight, yes Knee Mills change height, but most parts are of similar size.
The cinncinati and Bridgeport are way to low for you, me being 5' 7" (1.7 metre), there fine, though horizontal Mills are still a it low.
Spot on, ref using machine tools hard, my machine shop experience was on time cards, though I was an apprentice, so some leeway was permitted, often heard some proper machinists swear at the time allowed on some jobs.
Great work, thanks for sharing.
Regards John
I am totally fine with the Bridgeport height, but the Cincinnati is too low. Even Conner complain about it. Thinking 8" taller will help.
@@TopperMachineLLC 8" sounds about right, there were a few guys who had spent several decades on lathes and had a hump on their back, it was only they when walked past that it seemed noticeable. I think in Europe, average height has increased since 1940's ref better diet etc, less so in the US, having better diet/plentiful.
For the UK, many who served in world war 1, experienced better food than in civilian life, the working class were slaves as near as.
Keep up the good work 👏
LOL, a machine is a capital investment, replaceable components are consumables.
A machine is a consumable. It is consumed in the course of doing business. You're not going to replace parts that cost almost as much as a new machine. As for accounting, it is a capital investment.
You are so smart. I could never do what you can make look so easy. Thank you.
You removed a lot of metal to make that. Thanks for the video keep on keeping on.
I’m watching video backlogs and seeing this 11 months later. That outro was gold.
Dear Topper, I am looking for a decent Bridgeport for around $3000.00 and I have seen them listed for $12,000.00 and $24,000.00 dollars. I am confused as to why people are greedy for money after covid and charging so much money. I remember seeing prices around $1500.00 to $2000.00 five years ago but today these cannot be touched.
Yeah Josh, Keith I had watched a previous episode from you. And this cutting, drilling. Also I really like the stuff as well. Considering my equipment is in my basement. The wifey isn't throwing a fit, versus oil based products.
I really discovered horizontals when I got my Deckel FP3 which is an excellent horizontal and vertical mill. Material removal is so economical with it and the added rigidity definitely shows with large cutters
I love horizontal mills. I keep taking jobs from the local CNC guys because I can out perform them on that kind of work.
@@TopperMachineLLC CNC has its advantages but oftentimes it just takes waaay longer to set up than to do it by hand. And also inserts are a (costly) consumable. Most tooling for horizontals is some normal large cutter than can be sharpened a million times.
Re your "slots", measure twice, cut/drill once. Now, think of Jethro Gibbs, and slap yourself on the back of the head. 🙂😆
in the aviation industry we use BOELUBE when drilling and reaming not the cheapest but great product.
Nice job of salvaging the mistake. In reality, it won't make any difference to the functioning of the tool holder, because you just have oval holes instead of round holes, but the bolts will still locate exactly. If you'd been off in two directions, that would have been a problem. Looking forward to seeing this shop made tool in action next time.
If Bridgeport wanted you to take small passes they'd have given the machine a smaller cutter. It's not cheap to make big cutters so they are sized like that for a reason - and it's not to look shiny. haha. :)
I used to work with a machinist that would tell me "Don't talk to me. Go away." when he was doing critical work. Being distracted can create problems.
I wasnt thinking you push it to hard, I was thinking Im so happy Im not on a Bridgeport and go tiny 100thou baby steps 😂😂 On my machine at work I take 200 thou with 3 inch cut width or 250 thou because the tool has not more cutting depth.
The planned upgrades to the Cincinnati horizontal mill will make it much more comfortable to use. It's definitely too low at the moment.
The shaper is a temporamental old bird in the current state, I am not surprised you want to do some upgrading....did you, at any point, wish you had stuck with the bridgeport 😶
Great build and way to push through and get the part you need for the job.
Thanks 👍
31:59...a "paying customer" might buy it anyway-(!)
In the words of the famous machinist Clint Eastwood, “Improvise, adapt, and overcome”.
One thing that continues to bother me is the lack of means to securely hold parallels against the jaws; spring steel as you’ve shown for larger pieces, bits of soda can for smaller, but there has to be another way.
Spending some time playing with pieces of bar stock with two pair of threaded “nubs” / bosses on the interior faces onto which round springs can be placed to keep the parallels Gutenteit against the jaw faces.
Would greatly appreciate input / feedback on this.
I've been doing this almost 25 years, and wasting time securing parallels is not necessary. The bent strapping, rubber bands, dab of grease, etc is more than sufficient to hold them where they need to be. Biggest problem with parallels is that most people don't take time to properly clean them or their vise before use.
Suggesting that they will self adhere (like gauge blocks) if the mating surfaces are super clean ?
Clean as in no chips to throw off the placement. They stay put fairly well without fancy gimmicks.
If I was the customer I would rather take the elongated holes than to pay extra so you have the margin to remake it and still be in business. If it works it works.
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The mistakes in life make changes to our thinking process and produce better results in the long run. Intelligence prevails and these modifications in our genes are passed along over billion years to make even more intelligent beings.
The motto of some Army special forces is "adapt and overcome". That is what you did. Sometimes things just don't to plan but in the end you just make things happen.
Almost everyday in this business.
@@TopperMachineLLC That's a fact in every business, no matter the nature of the business.
Adding a foot or so to the height will make it a lot more comfortable for you.
Bending over like that is not good for the back!
Plan is for 8" more.
OK.
I watched you have to bend double and it looked painful you are so tall!@@TopperMachineLLC
Go easy on yourself. Those slots are for weight reduction LOL
Great job thanks for sharing can’t wait to see a video on changing the coolant on the Cincinnati and raising it up
It can't come soon enough. Gonna have to get on that.
What kind of cutting oil do you use on your Horizontal Milling Machine.
BOZO paid you a visit - it happens😒
Yes, yes it does. Lol.
Thank you, Josh for another great video.
I enjoy learning from such a good teacher.
Get it right the first time. Have a plan B
There always needs to be a plan B when working without drawings. By the seat of your pants machining.
If we had a dime for every time we.... You are in good company Josh!!
hello josh it's is randy and i like yours video is cool thanks josh friends randy
True anywhere you go you will find a Bridgeport mill
Hey just wanted to say I love your channel I been following your videos since you have about 900 followers. There you’re machines you’re shop your money. Who cares about these trolls who don’t have anything better than to put u down or put your work down. There not your customers and aren’t paying your bills. I like your content please keep doing you. I’ll keep watching. Appreciate ya
Exactly correct. I paid for them, I use them as I need to do my work. I've been running them like this for over 10 years with only a few minor parts replaced. Mostly bearings.
Done right the first time 😂
Since it is my own part, it works out. My scrap rate on paid jobs is 0.2%. Yes, I do track that. It's part of being in business. I know of a.lot.of shops that are proud of a 10% scrap rate.
what's the story on the paint color on that lathe? the neon green one. it's hard to look at!
I’ve been there with wrong hole locations. The crucial mistake I made was forgetting to add half the diameter of the edge finder so my hole was .100” off. Quite frustrating and sure was a rookie mistake, but at least I had extra material so my behind was saved.
Been there, done that. Lol. Usually it's because the phone rings.
Great video ! We appreciate you taking time to film and explain you work. Sounded like the Johnson didn’t like that B7 threaded rod too much. Be Safe.
The rod was just vibrating. The Johnson didn't care.
Could you do me and many other beginners a big favor and mention speeds and feeds for the kind of cutter your useing it would help us understand more of whats going on. I DON'T MISS A VIDEO AND APPRECIATE YOU VERY MUCH , THANK YOU!
I'll do what I can, but speeds are quite easy to figure. Feeds are another on the mill. For me, I set the speed and adjust feed accordingly. If I'm roughing, I take whatever the machine will take, finish cuts are adjusted to what I want to finish at.
Josh, that Best Welds Blue Coolant your using in your Kool Mist, is that water based..? Also, what is the product part number is you know off hand....thanks.
I am using cool mist 77 in the best weld jug. It's what I had handy to mix it in. The coolant that came in that jug was for my TIG welder.
26:44...NOBODY'S INFALLIBLE...(!)
I appreciate all your great work. Even the mistakes help us see how to recover from them by watching you deal with oopses and bad parts that come in the door for repairs. This all helps us noobs see how things should be done. BTW - How long did it take you to acquire all those super industrial sized monster machines? Definately big boy toys for turning out product fast! Thanks!
Thanks. It only took a few years to outfit the shop properly. Then several more to add machines as needed.
Do you ever lock the knee.....be honest a lot of people didn't know how to, ON my 1958 you have to if you want it square
I hardly ever do. I always go down then back up to where I want to be. That seems to keep it true. Also keeping the Gibs tight is important. If you cant tighten them properly, it's time to have the machine rebuilt or replaced.
Regarding the height of the horizontal mill, this seems to prevalent, especially with older equipment. Do you suppose this is by design, for the equipment being intended to be mounted on reinforced raised pads, versus, being set directly on a shop floor?
No, I think it is more about the average height of people increasing over the last 100 years.
Its great that you include your mistakes or oversights... some channels only include the things that 'make them look good'... whether that is reality or not!
I'm going for reality. I'm not some fake poser, just a real machinist doing real work.
Hi Just watched video nice cutting I learned long time ago from my elders that you have to Counter sink all your positions and double check all your locations when all your locations are correct Drill your hole. Also, a little trick after you drill countersink the hole and then run your tap ,this way the burr is on the inside and doesn't have to be done over again.
I rarely have moments like this. My scrap rate is actually 0.2%. Some shops I know brag about 10% scrap rate. This was just a distracted situation with a phone call that wasn't filmed.
If you never make a mistake, you're probably not doing anything. 😊
Exactly correct.
Josh, it looks like you horizontal mill could go up over 1 foot.
Best wishes.
8 inches
Measure once cut twice , LOL
How many Johnson comments do you have to delete? It's too easy. :) Nice work.
None. They are all about how big it is. Quite flattering. Lol.
Looking forward to your videos on upgrading this mill.
Me too. Just had to use the vertical attachment to mill some blocks. Almost had to run it from my knees. Too short.
To busy plugging Anchorlube than drilling holes😂! Shit happens in the shop, you just get it on video!
I could have edited it out like everyone else does. As for Anchorlube, it really is a great product that I firmly stand behind.
Slow and steady wins the race. It's also easier on the equipment. Better return on investment
All of my machines were paid for within the first few jobs. They owe me nothing. Replacing with better will come when they are wore out. Some, just aren't wearing out fast enough. Push hard, maximize profit, replace when necessary. This ain't no hobby shop.
How tall are you?
Might need to bring that Cincinnati up 2 ft.
8" is all it really needs. That will get it right where I want it.