Forspoken Expleened Pt. 2 | Internet Historian Reaction
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Fun fact: We are never told why Athia went to war with the nation of Rheddig, nor why they were so desperate they would summon a demon, as either a last stand or revenge. We are just expected to assume we are working for the good guys the entire time.
Tantas’ victory is also widely known as the "Purge of the Rheddig." Which has some...implications.
The "cleansing of the Rheddog filth" was self defence.
To be fair we dont even know if he is exactly a demon or just another higher being they begged to protect them. He may have just came in to try to protect them only for their genocide to be something he was unable to stop. With him retaliating in revenge giving to the tantas and their people what they had done to rheddig.
@@jamesfoss1627 His design looks more angelic than demonic to me, so yeah, could be.
@@Anthropomorphic Luciferic kinda (SMT Lucifer alike)
Guess they didn't want to spent all the rich lore on one game. You better believe they were dreaming of a prequel too. And a sequel. And a "how mum became a dragon" DLC.
Frey to the cat at the end, "Homer, tell the judge I made it. I found a home" Homer: "bitch l, you're dead to me. The judge feeds me every day. EVERY. SINGLE. DAY. Die slow"
“And it’s the really good cat food, not the mixed orphans you tried to feed me!”
"I'm a cat, you idiot."
So if the people already knew about the war and what the cuff is at the start, why didn't they just tell fray "oh that cuff you're wearing is evil" instead of trying to execute fray
that would require dialogue, dialogue that makes sense can only be archived by good writers. In this case, less is more.
That would require them knowing what the story was. They just threw stuff at the wall towards the end.
Your asking to many narrative breaking questions. This is unacceptable
playing devil's advocate here: I dont think the people knew anything about Susurrus or the Tantas' fight with it. They definitely didnt know about the Cuffs as they didnt even know the Tantas were insane currently.
The Tantas knew she was being manipulated by the cuff but were too far gone to coherebtly explain the threat to anyone. The second tanta shrieking 'QUIET QUIET QUIET' wasnt so much directed at Frey but her fragment of Susurrus.
@@Zinlain so why wouldn't sussurrus just infect frey after the story ends? literally she has maybe 5 years before frey is dead, and since the company who made the game was immediately dissolved after release i guess its the cannon end too
$100 Million was spent on this game, and I say about 99.9% of that went to marketing, and 0.1% was for this skeleton of a game.
100 Mill? 100 FUCKING MILLION?!
0.1% = 100,000
Apparently the gameplay itself is pretty good at times. It's just shackled to this absolute trainwreck of a script.
@@TheAngryXenite well the gameplay by a few accounts only was better late game
@branmanthe39th30 Yeah, from what I understand you spend nearly half the fucking game with only the initial cuff powers (and a decent amount of time with no powers at all, since it's still the prologue), so you get barely any time whatsoever to actually use the expanded ability set.
I love how they made Freya origin story Literally a one night stand, and instead of seeking out the father she justs gets a baby through a portal.
Arguably very realistic
The father was black, she was obviously never gonna find him.
@@maozedong8370 I'm contemplating if truth can be racist.
Dude just went out for milk.
also after the story .... why wouldn't the complete vambrace just infect her over years like it did the others?
Susurrus means whisperer. They literally wore a demon called the whisperer. If they're the best Athia has, it surprises me the demons haven't destroyed this realm yet
Not just that, but "susurrus" and "murmuration" are synonyms. His name is "Whisperer Whisperer".
I find what you say very sus.
They destroyed it. The amount of inbreeding in that city that would be needed to jump start the humanity again would be impressive. Or the genetics don't exist there, I don't know.
@@szysi3k good point. Maybe the mc can learn to open portals and get more NY hobos, lol
@@Anthropomorphic Whisper²?
To be fair, cuff looks fucking badass in his true form
Vambrace was the best part of the game, I was unironically routing for him cause I hated everyone else so much (other than blacksmith and jumpscare lady) and I'll die on that hill lol
@@HellBent_ The only correct sequel to this is Frey merging with Cuff and becoming the next big bad after all.
The biggest problem in my opinion is the writing. Yes, the gameplay is horrific, but the complete lack of subtlety is baffling. When they’re trying to foreshadow Frey’s parents it’s laughable how much they spell it out, as if they think the audience are complete morons who can’t think for themselves.
Ya they do not trust the player at all, a problem with "self-aware" media
@@ExeErdna To be completely fair, players can't be trusted -- but that's with gameplay; searching around, looking up etc. -- why things are brightly colored and seemingly out of place arrows and such are in the environments. **Narrative** shit, though, is not something that ever needs to be hand-held. It's the ONE thing a player can be trusted with.
Nah the gameplay is horrible, everything about the game is horrible. The story is decent at best, its very generic it's crazy.
If you ask me....the best thing in the entire game is the movement.
The rest is not even worth it
BUT WHY WAS THE MOM A DRAGON??? I looked it up because I knew the context was skipped and its just-- She was no longer the Tanta of love because she was crazy so she turned into a dragon .... Ok
Wut? then why arent the other tantas also dragons?
@noxy4966 Apparently the mom was particularly affected by the Break?
what, the other tanta's should've been dragons as well then wth.
@@LoveKrystal471the only thing would be that the cuffs inhibit break, and while normo humans become zombies, tantas become... dragons. Its kinda lame that of all things she became a dragon (unexplained), with no other tanta suffering the break to prove that all tantas become dragons or other beasts are possible.
Shoddy fantasy writing, thats all
To be fair if the cuffs protect them then there isn't any reason for any other dragons. They all died wearing them after all. It definitely should have been highlighted more.@@aokyoutsuki7744
My biggest issue with this game is that it's so empty, not of content but of NPC's.
I thought that once we kill a Tanta and free that section of the map the empty towns would start to fill up again with people, shops and Quests but no Cipal is literally the only place where you can interact with NPC's outside of the Tantas and Cuff.
Imagine if they start filling up the towns with NPCs and quests in the post-game, but as DLC.
@@Anthropomorphicthat would have been awesome, maybe Robian was able to create a kind of protection or shield to ward off the Break. People would be ecstatic to finally be able to leave and start over, while knowing it could be dangerous and if the protection failed, they would surely die.
Sadly, I don't think this will get any more DLC, nor a Spin-off or sequel.
That's not what's important. But you know what IS important? That you're not alone. And some days, it might seem cloudy. But...just know...that you matter. Your cat matters. You can't give up hope. Even if there are no NPCs around...you are somebody and I love you. I'll see you soon.
Kinda funny how a game that keeps nailing you in the head with ¨YOUR POTENTIAL DONT WASTE UR POTENTIAL!!!!!¨ and then the game makers go and wastes the potential of a triple A level budget of 100 Million USD.
I still can't believe they actually had the gall to do a Father-Son Kamehameha.
The only section of the story that i find interesting is Vambrace, but just impressed by the voice actor. I love how villainy he sounds.
I don't like how he sounds like Wheatley from Portal who also becomes the villain because it made me guess he was also going to be the villain
Hopefully no one here wastes their potential, you have so much of it
But only if your mother has magic powers tho. Lucky every orphan has a magical lineage
And happy almost birthday
@@mordirit8727 10 months is close enough for a birthday
@@SavantPete Perhaps a very merry unbirthday? *looks at Alice In Wonderland*
This is like toptier wattpad fanfiction. Like, I'd read it just out of respect for the effort, but then Id quickly forget about it and wonder why Im ever on wattpad.
The writing of this was insane.
So, the vambrace randomly gets sucked into the portal, if it didn't, Athia would be fucked.
Why didn't the demon just get the Tanats to kill each other until there's one left?
So, all the Tantas needed to do was have a child and the demon would've lost that first battle?
Why couldn't the demon kill off the Tantas in the first battle when he can do it i this game with a 1/4 of his power on a human girl?
Not to defend it too much, but he was able to beat the Tantas here because they were down one member (mom wizard was too busy being a dragon I guess), they weren't coordinating, and his other cuffs had already broken them mentally. Presumably they were more capable of fighting when they were working together and mentally sound.
@@TheAngryXenite His name means whisperer, and he's a demon. It's not exactly hard to imagine that being in close contact with a demon might not be the best for you. They could simply have locked it up or hidden them away separately without telling the others to make the locations secure and only telling the next Tanta that succeeds them and in a place where no people are so that no one would be able to be lured into serving him. It's pretty stupid considering they had plenty of options.
Because the power of Frey's potential is stronger than all the Tantas
Because!
There are so many “why the fuck’s” I could’ve wrote here, but I’ll settle on this one: why the fuck is she pals with Sus man at the end? This guy killed her mom and is responsible for the deaths of millions. On top of that, his only justification was “cuz it’s my job or something”
To be fair I am actually pretty sure he was the hero of the story.
The writing is so insufferably smug about how self-aware it is. It's almost as bad as Velma.
Honestly, if I want media where someone from the real-life city is brought to some medival-world to save it, I'll watch "The Black Knight"
"It's almost as bad as Velma."
Be honest: nothing could be _that bad._
@@joshuagross3151 Future prediction: you just jinxed it.
@@ThiccubusWas that a velma pun
@@the_linguist_ll You're goddamned right it was!
Despite that, I am serious -- watch something worse come out now ☠
@@Thiccubus They'll be like "We heard your feedback loud and clear with Velma, snd we think we know what you want... get ready for Daphne 2024!"
you could actually say the game had so much _Potential_ but at the end of the day, happy almost birthday
Internet Historian skipped the horrible dialogues from Frey that was sprinkled into the gameplay, and didn't go in enough how insufferable she was.
I think the reason why she wasn't susceptible to either Corruption by Cuff or the Break is because she absorbed some of it's essence in the Womb.
"Tanta" is the informal version of "the aunt" in Scandinavian languages lmao. They did the google translate thing.
So.... the girl is manipulated into doing everything she does, then she gets told "but you are special and cool" so she is now a hero.
What? 0 responsability and personal growth. And at the end, she just has to go on about how much of a big deal she is.
55:34 Wait, hang on. She was already pregnant when they fought Sussurus? Doesn’t that mean 1) that Cinta just casually took a break from the war to bang a guy in another dimension and 2) it took _less_ _than_ _a_ _year_ for the other tanta’s to go crazy and start summoning magic hurricanes?
I had given the writers too much credit. I thought the corruption took years, and it was during that time that Cinta started traveling to other worlds. But apparently the wise-and-powerful tantas started going crazy almost immediately and did jack about it, and Cinta ditched an ongoing war to get her back blown out by a random New Yorker.
I think somebody on the dev team wanted to write a YA fantasy book but they didn’t want to go through the process of writing/publishing an actual book, so they made a video game instead.
Also people keep forgetting that you have to make a decent game or two before you can add a bunch of lore to its world and not the other way around.
Game studios keep looking at massive franchises like Super Mario, The Legend of Zelda, Pokémon etc and trying to create something at the same scale right off the bat while forgetting that it took between 10-50ish years for all those different games to become the way that they are today.
And that kind of success isn’t likely to happen on your first try.
So maybe just chill and use that money to make multiple games instead of blowing it on all on one and being surprised when doing that doesn’t work out for you 🤷
Well, technically, this was their second try, their first being Final Fantasy 15 which in comparison seems like an overall better game than this, although they still had the issue of a bunch of lore that isn't mentioned or explained very well. I think that makes people's shock at the quality of forspoken more than reasonable, 15 was actually decent, or at least a lot more ppl came out of it with a positive experience in comparison, with some even citing it as their favorite in the Final Fantasy series.
Only thing that's a bit of a shame for me rn is Idk that square will ever use the particular game engine they used for this ever again. Forspoken doesn't do any of it justice as the luminous engine through past tech demos seems like it can legitimately look very pretty, if anything it feels like it probably just wasn't right for open world games.
The timing in which I finished part 1 and when this dropped? IMPECCABLE
Denying the call is supposed to be step two in the heroes journey not every other step
8:21 after taking a look at all the side content, I can confirm that Frey is NOT a lesbian.
She actually seems to have an interest in Pilo
I would like to take a moment to congratulate all those who managed to complete this game. Clearly, you are beyond all of us regular mortals, for I could barely sit through a comedic summary of this miserable excuse for a story.
Remember, you matter. You are big deals. Don't waste your potential. It is your duty to suffer through nightmares like this so others do not... Or at least, that's what I think the message of this game is, but I'm sure not gonna play it myself to find out.
Dont waste your potential 😂😂😂 I'm dead
Send this video to your Dad as an apology
he deserves it
And in the end, the game ended like it began: With Frey in contempt of the law
Taint asylum still crushed that kid and didnt apologize after she stopped being crazy
Bro, i don't read fanfiction, but I felt something like that was coming.
For a second there, I thought she knew the talk no jutsu
The worst part is that if you put a decent amount into the side content like i foolishly did, it isnt 25 hours befor the story gets anything close to engaging, its like 30 or 40. I have a real problem with games like wolfenstein the new colossus being 6 hours long with 3 and a half hours of cutscenes, but forspoken being the opposite is just as bad.
Also the " I'm here to f you up" line strait up has the same energy as DragonBall abridged goku telling freiza that he's going to rock him like a hurricane, only tfs meant for that to be as stupid and funny as it is. I don't think that was the intent here.
@@TheVector119 less horny.
How were they still evenly matched if Frey had her own powers plus the power of the four Tauntas. Also, why did the mom think just randomly throwing her child to Earth with no support would end well? She’s seen New York and should know how shitty it is
So, what's stopping her from opening a portal, err, tostito, and getting her cat?
Honestly, what could have made the Cuff/Sussurus a more interesting antagonist would be that if instead of just wanting to destroy Athia because it’s what he wants to do, have it be that he’s destroying Athia because it’s the only way his pact with the Reddig can end and finally allow him to go back to his own home. That way he can be a foil to Faye in that he actually SYMPATHIZES with Faye’s desire to go home because deep down he wants the exact same thing. The only difference is, of course, that Sussurus is willing to sacrifice anything and everything in order to go back home, whereas Faye learns by the end of the story that you can make anywhere home if you can find people to love there.
So Frey's character development started when she found out her mom was white...
What were the developers trying to say?
As someone who reads lots of novels and manga it was obvious that the dragon was her mom, its the usual outcome of some powerful being trying to take the protag rather then kill them
when i saw the first hour vid from chav channel i was like skitten with the snacks! I ordered Chinese food and had fun watching. i did not care for the forespoken story AT ALL! Internet historian made it so much more Entraining to sit through. Aside from that. To see The both of you this long after work was worth it! Love you both hope to see more of both of you. after yall recover from this "Story" lolz
IH is the man, he knows that people can't sit through such garbage stories with just cutscenes and commentary, he adds direct edits and cutscene changes to include his jokes to spice it up
youd be surprised how many people guessed the dragon was gonna be freys mom💀
Skitten's dad is based
should have believed him from the get go
Yeah, my dad got me himself Mortal Kombat when I was a kid and he let me play it. The SNES was a family gift, lol.
I’m sure if I played the game I would have hated the story but I’m actually enjoying it through this commentary.
Oh I know this finna be interesting and hilarious especially with the reaction from both of you 😂😇😇
Dude this was so good, thank you for uploading these they were a great time. Gonna rewatch these soon!
For a game developer credited with helping on Final Fantasy XV, I’m left wondering what they did for that game because Forspoken takes a huge step back of at least fifteen years in quality. These are PS3 quality graphics.
I had a great time.
I got to watch 2 hours of content in the form of you guys and Internet Historian
I got to see how this game that I have not even heard of, but supposedly was gonna be game of the year flushed $100Million down the drain.
I got to have some laughs from the ridiculousness of some scenes, while also amused on how you guys reacted to it as well.
Would have hoped for more time at the end of the video for you guys to just talk more about your thoughts on the video and the game in general, but it was alright.
Hope to watch more videos from both channels where you react to videos together, the interactions you have with each other, the small jokes, the tidbits of random stuff, just talking about the video with each other makes it quite enjoyable, it gives the video's more something? Don't have the word for it, but its great to see daily videos again, even if the cause for doing so is the new AC.
Thanks for being a part of my life for all these years, and I hope to be here for many more to come.
At 23:27 was probably the most genuine STFU I heard in a while in media and at 1:06:46 they tried so hard to emulate Nero's Devil Trigger moment in DMC5 it made me laugh so goddamn hard!
One thing that's been bothering me ever since I watched the original video: Why does Tanta Prav have a completely different accent compared to everyone else, especially her sisters?
Freya did more for goddamn cat Homer than her mother did for her
So are we not going to explain what happened to her dad.
He was probably literally just a one night stand from the sound of things and this game isn't worth more of a deep dive than that, a one night stand who may or may not have been a good father, we don't know and it's not worth troubling yourself over
May god have mercy on cuffs soul. Having to spend a lifetime with Frey must be a living hell
We need more Storymode vids lol
'you matter even when you dont think you do'
people disappear everyday and nobody looks for them
I don’t think they watched Marvel movies for this. This seems more like that surge of YA movies that came out. Like Percy Jackson and Maze Runner and Hunger Games. Also, this could have been Hogwartz Legacy. Just from this summary it felt like HL gone wrong.
In away... she did complete her community services.. STFU!!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 i love it
i'd really love to see a post mortem on what the fuck went wrong with the development of that game... how did they manage to burn that amount of money and this being what they have to show for it...
i mean the developers at bioware who worked on mass effect andromeda can at least say: "hey, management canned everything we had developed over multiple years, forced a complete engine change on us and we created that thing from the ground up in 8 months with a skeleton crew of mostly junior staff while the big wigs were all working on anthem." and i'd say that mass effect andromeda in the context of being developed from scratch in 8 months by mainly junior staff with unfamiliar tools in an unfamiliar engine... its fucking amazing what they accomplished in that short amount of time with the conditions set by management.
but forspoken... from what i heard, they got everything they wanted, all the time they needed, all the money to burn and it just resulted in a cringy mediocre and sometimes offensive mess with a whole cast of unlikable bullshit characters... (cant rip on the va's though, script and direction were fucked. they did what they were told to do and seemed to execute that beautifully. they were told bullshit though...
They just didn't have the ability to make this type of game with this type of character.
Ol sus was like "if i was a watch id be looking at myself REALLY condescendingly right now"
When cuff goes all butterflies it reminds me of the beast in the magicians. Great show if you never saw it and definitely a better and more entertaining antagonist.
Tbh this game could have been saved with some tweaks, (I know it was condensed but regardless of that I mean) Side quests, Morality scale(choose if you wanna be the hero or just someone trying to go home). Different endings
And give susurrus the back story of a demon with contractual obligation to do the evil he does, something about him being trapped in an unfeeling gilded form until he's upheld his side of the bargain or something. Make the "bad ending" leaving and make em have to watch as susurrus crumbles the kingdom and mc(forgot her name already) sleeps in an alley. Or the good ending which is how this played out but frey(was that the name? Close enough) gives the loop hole of "If I rename the land then the kingdom of whatever is technically no more" full filling his obligation and then Sus just has to stick around until that goal is sought through
Oh and obviously take out the dumb ass hour of being talked at about lore, make that shit part of a 100%ing easter egg or something, call em "fractured memories" and you gotta explore to find them like memories in BoTW or Dossiers in Ark. Remember folks, Lore is optional
Pop really knew his stuff lol
So... Are they called Tantas because they're brave, beautiful, alluring and... TANTAlizing??
I'll see myself out lmao!
Tanta Sila got them beef tank arms... 😂
I have arrived! You saw me once, now you see me again. Great part 1.
Skitten did not use her potential. Happy early birthday
God...the MC is so unlikable. She really is 'everything is about me' and sits there yelling at everyone else for doing exactly to her what she does to them. -_-'
She salmon cannoned her baby
Yeet the baby!
by the way, there is DLC out for this game... big surprise it's worse then the main game
That shit must have been in development before the game came out, because I'm shocked they had any money to even make a DLC, lmao
1:18:28 The collateral damage would go crazy 🤣
Game reads like a middle school fantasy book
Johedi, is the best character. She’s freaking hilarious
DO YOU SEE THOSE BUILDINGS AT THE END? THEY'RE THE EXACT FUCKING SAME! SQUARE WITH CIRCULAR CORNERS!
100 MILLION DOLLARS!
I noticed the dynamic between Frey and Audin instantly….though I DO also read fanfiction 😂
Bruh the last section of this game was AWFUL. They just kept beating the same message into your head over and over and OVER!!!
One of the plot holes in the whole story is how some people know Fray is the daughter of one of the tantas….but she left this world as a baby
I laughed so hard watching expleened video😂😂😂
My dad also introduced my brother and I to video games. The forespoke series never looked good to me. The main character was annoying in the previews so I knew it wasnt a character for me. I like it when the mains dont talk so you can really pretending your the person.
That isn't and was never the problem. Geralt talks a lot, Kassandra talks a lot, there are many MC's that talk in the games, the difference is you actually care about them. Frey was just an annoying sh*t you wanted your enemies to just k*ll already.
@@maozedong8370 Nobody is saying it's a problem, but it's a different type of MC. Instead of roleplaying as your own character, you're forced to roleplay as this pre-written MC, which works if the MC is well-written, like Geralt is, but falls flat if you hate their guts.
@@jorgewilliam7103 That is literally exactly what I wrote, you just reworded it.
@@maozedong8370 I commented because you sort of implied that she said a character being voiced was the "problem" with the game, when she just said she liked them better.
@@jorgewilliam7103 No, the script was garbage. She didn't speak like a ordinary human and her dialog was cringe. THAT is the issue I have with this, not the voice or voice actor themself though poor acting ability is likely to blame for the monotone voice.
1:17:20 what I've done by Linkin park starts playing and cut to credits on the beat drop
Although the game wasn’t that good. I gotta give props with how Olas was revealed and the shattered reality she created it was pretty well…..probably where the budget went ngl
Lets make a story about a black hero in another world, procedes to get arrested again and again.
1:18:30 Spilers to a 20 years old game, bit that is literally the ultimate ending to Drakengard 1. They teleport from their fantasy to Tokyo, destroy our world in their big final fight and then Nier happens.
i think the game just didnt know when to stop. a joke would happen and then you'd have 2 more lines trying to make the joke take longer. dialog would go on and on for no reason. if they just took some time and cut the fat off it would have ended up a better product.
The part 2 of this video is how part 2 of Across the Spider-Verse should have been released
they thought they ate 🤣 game was despicable
Oooh I forgot to say but Luminous Productions was shut down right after making this because it flopped so hard (They are one of the listed developer's)
This made me realize even though they're boring side quests are important.
Now that I think about it, throw in some side quests, vines to zip around on, and a morality bar and this is just a fuckin reskinned Infamous game. Story pretty much reads like them too
I feel like I just ran a marathon, so I guess thanks? That's the closest I'm gonna get to actually running one.
16:00 but the mothers not dead, i thought she was just abandoned?
Also the group laugh at 55:52 is amazing.
It was like an hour and 40 mins into the video when I realized how similar this game feels like The Quarry
i actually dig fay's "you're not alone" speech. it's a bit heavy-handed but clearly it's an anti-depressant speech and i vibe with those. honestly from what i've seen here i'd say the story isn't actually bad, just not told well.
I think the speech is really good too, the problem though, she was giving that speech to a cat. I feel it would have been so much better if instead of a cat, it was a child she was taking care of, another street urchin she decided to care for. This is coming from my perspective as a writer and reader.
It's a great motivational speech. Hopefully the cat takes it to heart and doesn't do anything bad to itself.
@@mordirit8727she talked homer off the ledge
To your second point, that seems to be the general consensus I've seen from others. The literal thousands of isekai stories make it obvious that there is a clear market for a game like this. The one thing better than an isekai story is a good isekai story. You could have the most generic and predictable story imaginable, but if the characters are well written and the plot is well executed, then people will like it.
@@meijinx9673 literally, Eminence in Shadow in a nutshell. Plus the anime is legitimately funny
The absolute torture!!!
I've never played the game so there's probably a ton of detail I'm not aware of, but the story feels really similar to a lot of Hero's Journey-type Young Adult fiction. It also seems really linear and lacking in actual gameplay. Basically, it feels like it really wants to be a big budget YA movie rather than a game.
Also, how does the magical fantasy demon know what artificial sweeteners are?
The answer is probably that Cuff could read her mind and learn about Earth from her memories. After all, presumably the Wisdom Tanta did the same thing to craft her illusions. That, or a Splenda packet flew into the building in NYC Cuff was chilling in.
Ya should have looked up the other ending! lol!!
56:49 wait, it is seen she can make portals without the cuff, why didnt she go back to pick up her kid 😂
"Tell me why? Because Frey was a mistake. Tell me why?"
Skitten was technically right about cuff killing her mom
was a "good" ending talk, really uplifting, pity she's saying that to a cat