@@wrappnalaskan I swear to it. I loved doing it. I am trying to start my own business. I have been researching theese past 2 days on what must be optained to start a job... minus the material. a
Here in Southeast Alaska we cover the valves. Oversize with 4” or 6” lengths with 2” or 3” centers and cut them all up and paint the ends with 55/50 and have them ready to go before we start chasing pipe.
We cover valves too.. But not on heat pipe from a little boiler like the one in this video... It's pretty uncommon for spec's to include valve's and equipment on domestic water (heat) We only use 50/50 in mechanical rooms where we want it to stay white....concealed spaces get the cheap stuff... We don't pre-pookie raw ends because it's pointless... (unless youre new and can't keep it off your clothes)
@@SRWMZ it was a 4 year, 8,000 hour apprenticeship... you can either join the heat and frost union to start an apprenticeship or find a non union program through a local Mechanical Insulation outfit
Yeah buddy... I remember 50-60k years as an apprentice... We do a lot of bush-work in Alaska and if you don't mind going out of town an insulator can easily push six figures
Super late comment but do you wear a respirator while handwling the material? I did this work years ago and learned in school the fibergalss can get in your lungs and be cancer causing. Whats your take on this?
If i wear a respirator its for the space im in not the fiberglass... ive had muktiplr lung function tests over the years with no problems... and ive actually been shown by a doctor how these modern materials are made with fibers that are big and easily caught by our bodys natural defenses before they can get into the lungs Asbestos is a concern on older work sites but we rarely do anything with those existing systems
@@mikejames7070 there have been a number of updates to mechanical codes that have increased our scope... in this green new world we are becoming a larger piece of the puzzle
We use one tack in the center and z-tape over the edges with two staples on each z-tape lap over as well as 3-4 staples on covering. And 2 staples on butt joint laps
Tape around the elbows would be better to hold them on the pipe. Also cutting a proper T connection is trade standard not just butting up flat. But all in all decent job. 15 year Moldy here.
The white stuff is just a simple mastic we use as a vapor barrier/terminated ends And yes...tacks are spendy...but its a normal cost we proce into jobs
1st year apprentice (1st week to be exact) here, got barked at by my boss today for going “too slow”. I got discouraged and wanted to switch companies or switch careers. Any advice to picking up the pace?
Telling a first week apprentice to pick up the pace is ridiculous... After 6 weeks sure... The best thing I can tell you is to make sure you stay busy...im not the fastest but I make up for it by staying on my ladder... I rarely look at my phone and don't take breaks... As an apprentice the journeyman need to be more concerned with the quality and accuracy of your work... Not the speed...speed comes from experience... Little tricks like having all your material in 1 spot and working out of corners will help with speed...repetition is key...try to use the exact same processes for everything from straight runs to packing elbows and putting on PVC fittings... For duct wrap its no different... If you're getting pressured don't sweat it too much...sometimes journeyman feel like they need to ride the apprentices... It's dumb but don't let it get to you...as long as you're working hard you should be okay... Remember...accuracy before speed...stay on task and try to do little things that allow you to stay on the ladder...constantly having to go for this and that slow you down...chances are you'll work for more than 1 company before you find the one that's a good fit...and remember that we all went through stuff like this...you got this bro
Man not gonna lie I’m an apprentice and a lot of journey men are ass holes and think they are the best. I’ve found out it doesn’t matter how fast you’ll go at least for me I seem to always get bitched at for speed. I get put in the shittiest spots too while the Formans will take straights and be like it’s easy I did this much today you should be able to and then they will add in the smart ass comments. I do all the tricks in the book too it just depends on who your working with honestly. Just remember 2-3 rolls of duckewrap and 175ft of pipe cover a day
Personally I wouldn’t take that disrespect, if he told you that and you didn’t say nothing then he is going to bitch you around , so either stand up for yourself if you feel like he is wrong.
Dude... Anywhere you go in the trades will have assholes. Insulators make good money. I'm a 4th year and making 27.82. Stick with it. I sucked my first year. Didn't have a clue. You're a month or 2 in. Trust me... they're just pushing you to do better. Its nothing personal. Been in construction since I was 14. Full time at 17. I'm almost 31. I've done most everything besides steel work and electrical. Asholes in all. One thing is for sure... better just work hard... have thick skin and go home at the end of your shift. Once you turn out or get a lil experience... people will shut up. Show up on time, go in with the crew... break when they do, go in with them. Leave when they do. Keep your mouth shut... it's the union. They'll be girls and throw you under the bus. Do your best, work fast as possible
Dont let the boss man ramrod you. Keep a steady pace and the speed will come with time. I am only on my second year of the apprenticeship. You will get faster than the mechanics you work with eventually. Someday you will get a fresh apprentice, and your boss has set a good standard on how not to treat a new guy. You might be an apprentice, but you were a man before that.
@@slugtothechest we use it on all fiberglass pipe wrap...and we use it anywhere else we need extra vapor barrier... It's an insurance policy for any spots that are questionable...we even use it in some duct wrap applications to ensure the staples and FSK don't pop off... I'm surprised you're unfamiliar with the stuff
Fantastic Job! and your Trade is so Importaint as many do not apecate like i do as im trying to do Solar Hot Water and Pipe Insulation is so Importaint! Not ur job distription but at :09/5:01 shows the copper hanger which as its Copper would losse so much heat , any way of insulating that more? at least a Thermal break?
Thanks man, im happy that you get why our work is important...as to your question...the job was actually spec'd to stay off valves, hangers and anything less than 6" This particular system was for a back up heating unit so it's not always in service... We wrapped it for personnel protection more than energy conservation
I work at Home Depot and some guy offered me a job doing this. So i had to look it up. lol Seems cool. I like working with my hands so i'll probably hit em up.
Does your home depot sell the same looking insulation? In that video I'm using Mannsvile fiberglass pipe wrap with that white jacket you see...i know they sell rubber at home depot...just curious because the rubber at home depot and the stuff you see me using in this video are very different to install...so if you do take the job...you know who to ask for help :)
It’s a physical job, you will have to crawl into some spaces and be in awkward positions. But overall it isn’t that hard on your body. I enjoy this work a lot and is satisfying as well.
You can do a traditional apprenticeship through the union in your area or you can go through an apprenticeship through a private company like A.B.C. associated builders and contractors) The union program and the private program are both 4 years...just different personalities lol
Its a small boiler system... There is absolutely zero reason to cut out hangers on mostly 7/8 heat pipe... It's wrapped for personnel protection...energy conservation is for the big stuff, rookie
@@wrappnalaskan I ain't no rookie. But if you was to cut around hangers it would make the job easier. Another thing why don't yall use Staples for duct wrap?
@@robertomagana1901 we use staples on duct wrap.... Just not on this particular system... Outside air ducts up here get very cold...after you squeegee staples they pop through the tape and compromise the vapor barrier... If the duct is heat or on the low side of the vav we use staples And yes...it makes the job easier to cut around hangers on small heat systems... Of course on chill water we insulate 100%
Definitely an non union person doing this work. In Canada id fire him asap and get all his lrevious work get a quality inspection. Then bring him to court. The lost of energy by not doing it correctly and lack of vapor barrier is unacceptable. Hope it was done for free cause this is pointless
@mattb6494 I understand that you're new... and only have a limited understanding of the words coming out of your mouth so I'll be nice... but just so you know... yes, we are non union...HOWEVER...90% of our work is with union mechanical outfits who use us because of our thorough, self reliant presence... local frost and heat is non existent in Alaska because they cant compete with our productivities...and just to drive that home, our numbers include prevailing wages... next time you feel like being slick, maybe understand some context...
The fact it took forever and has to be patched with more madtic after anyways 😂 might as well have hacked it on and taken a brush to it after. Not to mention the lack of vapour barrier on the cold line SMH
Lol it's a piss ant boiler dude... What cold? In all reality... Painting ANYTHING other than laps on heat pipe is pointless... Go somewhere else newbie
1st of all man................ 😡😡😡😡😡😡🤬🤬🤬🤬 SICK MFN BACKGROUND MUSIC!!!!! I USED TO WORK FOR A BUDDY.. WED WRAP PIPE AND PIPE ONLY. EASIEST SHIT IVE EVER DONE IN MY LIFE BUT IT TAKES PDERFECTION IF THE EXPECTAIONS ARE TO KEEP A CLIENT. I WILL HAVE JOBS INSTANTLY WHEN I GET MY BUSINESS SET UP.... WILL YOU PLEASE GIVE ME SOME ADVICE? WHAT ARE THE FIRST STEPS YOU NEED TO COMPLETE IN ORDER TO START A JOB AS AN INDEPENDENGYT CONTRACTOR?
First things first... Know your costs... From material to labor... Find yourself a solid vendor and pay your bills... Do honest, legitimate business and only surround yourself with hard workers
Okay what in the actual f the split ring hangers will conduct if it’s a cold pipe, the valve will conduct, just throwing mastic on the ends won’t do anything, and you need to staple your seams, stuff needs a mechanical fastener or else it’ll pop over time, and you move just way to slow man peel that tape and move on my god this must be union
Relax cowboy.... It's a piss-ant hot water heater on a T&M job... We are non union and since you're too fucking to stupid to understand that filming with a GoPro doesn't come with the intention of going fast, and allow me to point out that T/M + video = steady and basic... But I'm sure you're the best around and put on 300' a day in mech rooms right??? You must be a 3rd year apprentice because the mastic ends are SPEC'd by the engineer... Also it's spec'd to stay off valves and equipment...Not my choice...so sit down and let the big boys work out the detail...but you're wrong...sealing the raw ends keep the fiberglass from breaking down... Even if it wasn't spe'd we don't leave unfinished ends... I take back the 3rd year... You're definitely 2nd year By the way...stapling seams is for pussys that can't squeegee like a man
I used to do this work back in the 90's
Many don't understand what the job is incredibly satisfying. Fish mouths were always my favorite
Heck yeah! I tell you man...I've done a few things in my professional career but I love insulating...every day is different
@@wrappnalaskan I swear to it. I loved doing it. I am trying to start my own business. I have been researching theese past 2 days on what must be optained to start a job... minus the material. a
I like me a lateral
Local 34 ,saint paul minnesota
One of the most underrated trades out there
I appreciate that....we have to know the Tinner's layouts and the plumber's systems
@@wrappnalaskan where at you based out of? I was an insulator in Colorado.
I make upward of 68 an hour. He wouldn't last the first voc this is worthless might have not insulate it
@@mattb6494why is it worthless
Thanks for the video man. I was wondering what all this was about before potentially applying for an apprenticeship with a company
Yessir...these videos are just a part of what we do... I dig our trade
Here in Southeast Alaska we cover the valves. Oversize with 4” or 6” lengths with 2” or 3” centers and cut them all up and paint the ends with 55/50 and have them ready to go before we start chasing pipe.
We cover valves too.. But not on heat pipe from a little boiler like the one in this video... It's pretty uncommon for spec's to include valve's and equipment on domestic water (heat)
We only use 50/50 in mechanical rooms where we want it to stay white....concealed spaces get the cheap stuff... We don't pre-pookie raw ends because it's pointless... (unless youre new and can't keep it off your clothes)
Wow, expertly done
I appreciate that! Thank you.... I truly love my work!
God I can't believe I miss doin this kind of work
Hey question, did you have to go to trade school or anything like that?? Where did you learn to do this
@@SRWMZ it was a 4 year, 8,000 hour apprenticeship... you can either join the heat and frost union to start an apprenticeship or find a non union program through a local Mechanical Insulation outfit
I’m a rookie at this but there is money, my journeyman makes upward of 90k a year which is good where I’m at. Nice stuff man!
Yeah buddy... I remember 50-60k years as an apprentice... We do a lot of bush-work in Alaska and if you don't mind going out of town an insulator can easily push six figures
@@wrappnalaskan aye you are now part of my local then local 7 Right?
Super late comment but do you wear a respirator while handwling the material? I did this work years ago and learned in school the fibergalss can get in your lungs and be cancer causing. Whats your take on this?
If i wear a respirator its for the space im in not the fiberglass... ive had muktiplr lung function tests over the years with no problems... and ive actually been shown by a doctor how these modern materials are made with fibers that are big and easily caught by our bodys natural defenses before they can get into the lungs
Asbestos is a concern on older work sites but we rarely do anything with those existing systems
@wrappnalaskan thank you for the reply I have been contemplating getting back into this line of work for a while
@@mikejames7070 there have been a number of updates to mechanical codes that have increased our scope... in this green new world we are becoming a larger piece of the puzzle
Nice man. I prefer to use z tape over tacks, but to each their own. I hate that yellow insulation. Don't remember which company makes it.
Thats that john mansville bs.
yessir... i agree...in this situation it was one of those "in and out" gigs...i usually tape everything too... and anything cold gets pookie too
It smells like fish
We use one tack in the center and z-tape over the edges with two staples on each z-tape lap over as well as 3-4 staples on covering. And 2 staples on butt joint laps
@@holdenthompson1235 that’s too much
Tape around the elbows would be better to hold them on the pipe. Also cutting a proper T connection is trade standard not just butting up flat. But all in all decent job. 15 year Moldy here.
We don't use tape on heat...the expansion pulls it apart...and every one of my T's are cut proper with fishmouths
Tape is also less astheticly pleasing. If the client wants pins, he's getting pins, lol.
Nice work. What's the white paste you put at the end.. ? hos tacks gotta be pretty expensive. Here in Southern ontario .30 cents a piece.
The white stuff is just a simple mastic we use as a vapor barrier/terminated ends
And yes...tacks are spendy...but its a normal cost we proce into jobs
1st year apprentice (1st week to be exact) here, got barked at by my boss today for going “too slow”. I got discouraged and wanted to switch companies or switch careers. Any advice to picking up the pace?
Telling a first week apprentice to pick up the pace is ridiculous... After 6 weeks sure... The best thing I can tell you is to make sure you stay busy...im not the fastest but I make up for it by staying on my ladder... I rarely look at my phone and don't take breaks... As an apprentice the journeyman need to be more concerned with the quality and accuracy of your work... Not the speed...speed comes from experience... Little tricks like having all your material in 1 spot and working out of corners will help with speed...repetition is key...try to use the exact same processes for everything from straight runs to packing elbows and putting on PVC fittings... For duct wrap its no different... If you're getting pressured don't sweat it too much...sometimes journeyman feel like they need to ride the apprentices... It's dumb but don't let it get to you...as long as you're working hard you should be okay... Remember...accuracy before speed...stay on task and try to do little things that allow you to stay on the ladder...constantly having to go for this and that slow you down...chances are you'll work for more than 1 company before you find the one that's a good fit...and remember that we all went through stuff like this...you got this bro
Man not gonna lie I’m an apprentice and a lot of journey men are ass holes and think they are the best. I’ve found out it doesn’t matter how fast you’ll go at least for me I seem to always get bitched at for speed. I get put in the shittiest spots too while the Formans will take straights and be like it’s easy I did this much today you should be able to and then they will add in the smart ass comments. I do all the tricks in the book too it just depends on who your working with honestly. Just remember 2-3 rolls of duckewrap and 175ft of pipe cover a day
Personally I wouldn’t take that disrespect, if he told you that and you didn’t say nothing then he is going to bitch you around , so either stand up for yourself if you feel like he is wrong.
Dude... Anywhere you go in the trades will have assholes. Insulators make good money. I'm a 4th year and making 27.82. Stick with it. I sucked my first year. Didn't have a clue. You're a month or 2 in. Trust me... they're just pushing you to do better. Its nothing personal. Been in construction since I was 14. Full time at 17. I'm almost 31. I've done most everything besides steel work and electrical. Asholes in all. One thing is for sure... better just work hard... have thick skin and go home at the end of your shift. Once you turn out or get a lil experience... people will shut up. Show up on time, go in with the crew... break when they do, go in with them. Leave when they do. Keep your mouth shut... it's the union. They'll be girls and throw you under the bus. Do your best, work fast as possible
Dont let the boss man ramrod you. Keep a steady pace and the speed will come with time. I am only on my second year of the apprenticeship. You will get faster than the mechanics you work with eventually. Someday you will get a fresh apprentice, and your boss has set a good standard on how not to treat a new guy. You might be an apprentice, but you were a man before that.
Great job!
Thanks brother...ive been in the "lab" putting a couple more videos together
What's that white stuff your adding to the ends? I've never seen that before.
It's a 50/60 mastic we use to seal the raw ends
@@wrappnalaskan Ah, that’s interesting. I’m assuming you only use that with PVC jacketing?
@@slugtothechest we use it on all fiberglass pipe wrap...and we use it anywhere else we need extra vapor barrier... It's an insurance policy for any spots that are questionable...we even use it in some duct wrap applications to ensure the staples and FSK don't pop off... I'm surprised you're unfamiliar with the stuff
Specifically I use cp-11 on everything steam chilled water plumbing if it's got an open end it gets smeared.. same goes for lap's and butt's.
Fantastic Job! and your Trade is so Importaint as many do not apecate like i do as im trying to do Solar Hot Water and Pipe Insulation is so Importaint! Not ur job distription but at :09/5:01 shows the copper hanger which as its Copper would losse so much heat , any way of insulating that more? at least a Thermal break?
Thanks man, im happy that you get why our work is important...as to your question...the job was actually spec'd to stay off valves, hangers and anything less than 6"
This particular system was for a back up heating unit so it's not always in service... We wrapped it for personnel protection more than energy conservation
Bruh how do you do that with gloves with finger tips ? Does that not add like crazy time to your work?
@@Ozzie-OH-OH it's second nature with those gloves... no problem at all with speed... they do wonders keeping dirt off the ASJ
I'm an apprentice, just a quick question from the young buck, why are you not doing those 90's with pipe?
@@froggythekid8955 you mean with tape?
I think he means mitre cut the corners
I work at Home Depot and some guy offered me a job doing this. So i had to look it up. lol Seems cool. I like working with my hands so i'll probably hit em up.
Does your home depot sell the same looking insulation? In that video I'm using Mannsvile fiberglass pipe wrap with that white jacket you see...i know they sell rubber at home depot...just curious because the rubber at home depot and the stuff you see me using in this video are very different to install...so if you do take the job...you know who to ask for help :)
@@wrappnalaskan Not sure on the insulation type. I'm just a cashier. lol He just said it pays alot more.
@@Blakhawk1703 it sure does...my journeyman scale is $60.81/hr
@@wrappnalaskan holy crap. I should call that guy tomorrow. lol
@@Blakhawk1703 Did you call that guy? Making some good money now?
Is that hard job to ? lots of physcial labour?
It’s a physical job, you will have to crawl into some spaces and be in awkward positions. But overall it isn’t that hard on your body. I enjoy this work a lot and is satisfying as well.
how do i get into this job?
You can do a traditional apprenticeship through the union in your area or you can go through an apprenticeship through a private company like A.B.C. associated builders and contractors)
The union program and the private program are both 4 years...just different personalities lol
A lot different pay to 🤣🤣🤣. I make literally double as a foreman than the non union guys here in Pittsburgh as a sprinklerfitter.
Where can I buy the mastic
www.generalinsulation.com/products/insulation-products/mastics-adhesives/mastics/design-polymerics-dp-5050-weather-barrier-breather-mastic/
Thank you
Why don't you cut around the hangers? Never seen someone working like this
Its a small boiler system... There is absolutely zero reason to cut out hangers on mostly 7/8 heat pipe... It's wrapped for personnel protection...energy conservation is for the big stuff, rookie
@@wrappnalaskan I ain't no rookie. But if you was to cut around hangers it would make the job easier. Another thing why don't yall use Staples for duct wrap?
@@robertomagana1901 we use staples on duct wrap.... Just not on this particular system... Outside air ducts up here get very cold...after you squeegee staples they pop through the tape and compromise the vapor barrier... If the duct is heat or on the low side of the vav we use staples
And yes...it makes the job easier to cut around hangers on small heat systems... Of course on chill water we insulate 100%
Any reason you dont insulate the ball valve?
Yeah...its heat pipe...and spec'd to stay off valves and equip.
@@wrappnalaskan spec's are the only reason I wouldn't do them..I always take them in regardless of what it is plumbing steam chilled
Definitely an non union person doing this work. In Canada id fire him asap and get all his lrevious work get a quality inspection. Then bring him to court. The lost of energy by not doing it correctly and lack of vapor barrier is unacceptable. Hope it was done for free cause this is pointless
@mattb6494 lol you don't need vapor barrier on heat... and when the spec's say to NOT COVER valves...you dont...
Get fucked moron...
@mattb6494 I understand that you're new... and only have a limited understanding of the words coming out of your mouth so I'll be nice... but just so you know... yes, we are non union...HOWEVER...90% of our work is with union mechanical outfits who use us because of our thorough, self reliant presence... local frost and heat is non existent in Alaska because they cant compete with our productivities...and just to drive that home, our numbers include prevailing wages... next time you feel like being slick, maybe understand some context...
Only 🐱 are in a union for insulation, get a better company
I'll hit my 2 year mark doing this in a few weeks. Solid pay if you're willing to tolerate the bs that comes with it
Lol aint that the truth...but I love it
And there's plenty of BS make no mistake
Las fibras yevan aluminio no pvc
quien dijo que eran
@@wrappnalaskan está a la vista
How come you dont tape anything to seal it ?
Because its a boiler system....that extra vapor barrier(PVC tape) is not necessary
We bury valves too...but on this particular job it was NOT spec'd
The fact it took forever and has to be patched with more madtic after anyways 😂 might as well have hacked it on and taken a brush to it after. Not to mention the lack of vapour barrier on the cold line SMH
Lol it's a piss ant boiler dude... What cold? In all reality... Painting ANYTHING other than laps on heat pipe is pointless...
Go somewhere else newbie
There is no Metter tatoos...Goel company.. look.😉
1st of all man................ 😡😡😡😡😡😡🤬🤬🤬🤬 SICK MFN BACKGROUND MUSIC!!!!! I USED TO WORK FOR A BUDDY.. WED WRAP PIPE AND PIPE ONLY. EASIEST SHIT IVE EVER DONE IN MY LIFE BUT IT TAKES PDERFECTION IF THE EXPECTAIONS ARE TO KEEP A CLIENT. I WILL HAVE JOBS INSTANTLY WHEN I GET MY BUSINESS SET UP.... WILL YOU PLEASE GIVE ME SOME ADVICE? WHAT ARE THE FIRST STEPS YOU NEED TO COMPLETE IN ORDER TO START A JOB AS AN INDEPENDENGYT CONTRACTOR?
First things first... Know your costs... From material to labor... Find yourself a solid vendor and pay your bills... Do honest, legitimate business and only surround yourself with hard workers
Okay what in the actual f the split ring hangers will conduct if it’s a cold pipe, the valve will conduct, just throwing mastic on the ends won’t do anything, and you need to staple your seams, stuff needs a mechanical fastener or else it’ll pop over time, and you move just way to slow man peel that tape and move on my god this must be union
Relax cowboy.... It's a piss-ant hot water heater on a T&M job...
We are non union and since you're too fucking to stupid to understand that filming with a GoPro doesn't come with the intention of going fast, and allow me to point out that T/M + video = steady and basic...
But I'm sure you're the best around and put on 300' a day in mech rooms right???
You must be a 3rd year apprentice because the mastic ends are SPEC'd by the engineer... Also it's spec'd to stay off valves and equipment...Not my choice...so sit down and let the big boys work out the detail...but you're wrong...sealing the raw ends keep the fiberglass from breaking down... Even if it wasn't spe'd we don't leave unfinished ends... I take back the 3rd year... You're definitely 2nd year
By the way...stapling seams is for pussys that can't squeegee like a man
Gotta follow specs bud. Also, if it were union it'd be done by 10, bar by 11.