HEATED DEBATE ON THE FUTURE & PRESENT OF THE CALGARY FLAMES 🔥🔥 | FN Barn Burner
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- Опубліковано 8 лют 2025
- Boomer, Pinder, and Rhett are back with a heated debate on the Calgary Flames’ current situation! With the team sitting in the 2nd wildcard spot, just barely in playoff contention, they dive deep into whether making the playoffs is truly the best move for the Flames’ future. Should the Flames be looking to add players at the trade deadline, or is it time to consider a different direction? Tune in as the guys discuss the present, future, and what’s next for the team in this intense discussion!
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Again, Pinder is right. I want to win a cup, they’ve won 2 rounds in 20 years. Clearly the scrape in approach isn’t working.
I don’t usually say that but yes I agree with him
This exact philosophy of "win now" and "just get in and see what happens" has held this franchise back for far too long. 2004 was the best thing to happen for the Flames, but also the worst thing to happen after that playoff run. Because that's when the bar was set by Murray Edwards and ownership to win every year without tanking at the expense of never getting the high draft picks or a snowball's chance in hell of drafting the first overall. The Murray Edwards Mantra of Mediocrity needs to change.
Good thing they didn't have that mentality. Conroy built the team for a bottom 5 finish. Wolf is solely reason we're not there. At least now we have tons of draft capital and prospects
3 rounds. Beat Winnipeg in covid year. The players stats counted to their playoff totals. Means round counted
Pinder’s been getting bullied the last couple of weeks after he makes some good points 😂
He isn't being bullied. There are some flaws in his argument and they rightfully point it out.
@@barryjames73yes but he’s not that wrong either
@@barryjames73 ‘twas a joke. I don’t think Boomer and Rhett are bullying him.
@@ssgfino it’s all fun buddies
Cause he makes dumb takes
Pinder is articulating my pain.
Ive been a season ticket holder since 2010, but without line of sight to a cup I think I let them go next year.
No rebuild, no renewal. That's where I'm at. Doesnt matter to me if we finish 9th or waste 8 days.
Same I’ve gotten so sick of this same old stuff like I could be spending that money on much better things but I’m seriously thinking about not renewing for next year
You should drop them then IMO, as long as the buisness keeps up the ownership will believe in this model. That is my opinion if you disagree with the direction of the franchise
There are 3 recent first round picks that in the lineup now, one on the Wranglers who looks like a player, 2 taken last summer, 2 coming this summer and 2 the following summer ( this is not the late 2000's Dean - after Backlund: Nemisz 25th, Erixon 23rd, Reinhart 64th Baertschi 13th). Clearly the smart move is to continue to build for the future 3-5 years from now, rather than expending those future assets for a bit of a bump right now. Pinder seems to have a nuanced approach and the other guys seem to just find fault with his logic.
The logic he is missing is there is no need to do anything and to stop thinking we can be the bottom 10 when it’s nearly impossible with the players we currently have. The bottom 5 usually stay the bottom 5 for a while.. careful what you wish for. Pinder also tends to forget all the young draft picks coming into the team now, and that it is their time to shine he is wanting to tank. He’s wishing for a near impossible outcome. Just like us winning the cup is as well. I think it’s better to just let the kids play, playoffs or not and quit stressing about rolling the dice on a top 5 pick. We should consider ourselves lucky if we don’t need to bottom out for years on end.
@@JBaker17the argument against that is if the management of the flames was actually doing things properly they could make this team bad enough to be bottom 10 very easily regardless of an over achieving goaltender. Why are we continuing to hear rumblings about signing a 30 year old defenseman well into his 30s when you can already see regression in his game this season. Why are we not shopping assets like Coleman, Andersson, kadri etc… if you found a way to trade some of those key veteran pieces that are doing a lot right now to be the defensive backbone of an anemic offensive team then this franchise easily falls down the 10 or so points in the standings it would take to be picking in the top 10. You then bank on them trying to build back the team in 3-4-5 seasons when some of these picks they are making in the last few and upcoming few drafts start to click. People are sick and tired of the 12-18 place finishes every year. PICK A LANE AND AGGRESSIVELY PURSUE IT instead of trying to have your cake and eat it too
@@JBaker17 Except the conditions on the pick to Montreal are driving his thought process. If the Flames just miss the playoffs - they are potentially giving the 17th pick to Montreal instead of Florida's which could be 30th. If they slide a little more and move into the bottom 10 they keep the pick and Montreal has to take Florida's. The difference between the 10th pick and the 30th pick is a lot when you are looking to draft a future #1 centre. It would cost you at least 2 second round picks to move from 30th to 10th if you were moving up in the draft.
@ right but you also need to think of this as still paying for Trelivings mistakes. Conroy opened the flood gates to the young team, new coach, and new structure in the room. I’m just an armchair GM as we all are, but I would rather the kids push and fail or push and get in to the playoffs to give them motivation in the future. The stress of picking top 10 or even top 5 isn’t the right stress to win a cup. I think those big teams like Dallas and Colorado sucked when they sucked but never actively tried to suck to get their picks. Edmonton is where they are at but after a decade of bottom feeding. Buffalo even worse, but I argue buffalo has motivation issues with their young kids and likely could be due to not ever tasting the playoffs and poor management. I just think Pinder loves drafts and sees the pick going to Montreal as a waste, while the others are accepting the bad timing but embracing the team we have. I firmly believe no purchasing or giving up futures for this year is the move, but I don’t think looking for ways to tank sends the right message which is what Pinder seems to gripe about day in and day out if we don’t win.
This is textbook gaslighting on Boomer and Warriner's part. That said, agree with Pinder, the Murray Edwards Mantra of Mediocrity needs to go.
Look at Buffalo, all the high picks in the world, no culture. Their culture is that of losing. So I agree with everybody here, we hit a gold mine in wolf. Which makes it hard to tank so now you know a full tank isn't the option. So that's who you are. Ya got pieces, you go gain more pieces. Connie's gunna have to hit on some picks and some trades and we are right there. FlamesLife my whole Life.
Pinder continues to be allergic to missing. Still keeping it 💯
Imo, might not be popular. The team isn't lucky, Huska said it himself, they have a team that enjoys everyone in the locker. This is new this year, they have done well and I think this will grow. Sure, they might add, there are stars coming up, but the team isn't giving up and it's showing. If they make a drastic change to the dynamic now, it could cripple the chemistry and we are back to building that. Conroy is building up a talent pool, and that will help moving forward. This is a rebuild, that takes time. As a flames fan, I want a fukkin cup now 😂 but we are in a long game. This is my Ted talk, thank you for stopping by.
Pinder is right, it’s amazing how much the others can’t see it and just want mediocrity. You would think as a former athlete Rhett would want to win but he seems more concerned about maintaining the mushy middle.
No. Pinder is saying wait wait wait wait wait. Rhett is saying that there's more than waiting that can be done because waiting doesn't guarantee anything.
@@user-iw5mp5th6d The problem doing what Rhett wants guarantees you don't ever win or even compete, just stay mediocre.
This culture of mediocrity and staying in the mushy middle comes from within the organization. And it all starts at the top with the Murray Edwards Mantra of Mediocrity. Never cares about winning a cup, only just wants to get in and cash in on the first round revenue. Imagine how much more revenue he would get if he allowed Conroy to rebuild/retool a roster that would fetch MORE than one round of playoff revenue, or if they ever deign to win a cup.
The "just get in and see what happens" and "win now" mandate from 2004 has long run its course. It doesn't work anymore. It may be too late this year, but next season get to a better position in the top 10 to get McKenna as the 2026 draft pool is much more deeper. Let Conroy have full autonomy moving forward without any meddling from the tax dodger living in Switzerland.
Trust Conroy, he’s a guy that can recognize a player when he sees one. High draft picks doesn’t guarantee anything.
Thank you. Exactly
5 Year Assemble & Hone
Minnesota was spinning its wheels just like Calgary. Minnesota brings in Bill Guerin and in two years Minnesota is a contender. Why can't Conroy do the same?
huberdeau
Pinder for GM
Love Pinder’s fire & agree with him
Pinder Oilers have 5 first rounders they drafted on the roster. Nugent being 13 years ago and Bouchard 6 years ago. What is the magic windows? And remember they had the coveted 1st overall 4 Times and 2 remain. 4-8 years get real. We have no idea it's sports. What is fact is Calgary is playing well. Need scoring. Get some scoring if you can and show current young and future players winning comes first. Or let's be Chicago like Pinder loves 10 years in and 10 years out. Sounds awesome.
Pinder is right. A change is thinking is needed.
Pinder is correct. Stop pretending like we belong in the position we are in. Wolf is not just a one year rental, we finally have a piece to build a long term future on and this time it should be done correctly and not with mid level players and management. Trade what you can and build from the ground up.
If you go full rebuild wolf, Zary and coronato will all be gone in the next few years. They are just getting into their primes. They wouldn’t spend it on a team trying to tank for bottom picks
@@noorkidwai No one is saying full rebuild, it's just being realistic about where they are right now and the best path forward. Expending futures to sneak into the playoffs and get blown out is silly. This team will not contend for the Cup with Huberdeau and Kadri as the leading scorers. Zary, Coronato and Pelletier look like good players but will they be great ? Those 3 guys plus Wolf all need new deals - that could be $20m in additional salary with very little coming off the books. Andersson will want $8+ as well, so they could be spend close to $30m more to have the same roster ? Sure those young guys might improve somewhat, but it will be offset by further declines in the 30+ group that is untradeable. Do they want to be in the same place and cost $30m more ? They shouldn't - which is why they should sell high on Andersson right now, miss the playoffs - get the top 10 pick instead of drafting 28th.
It's like these guys aren't even listening to each other. Listen to each others points and have a conversation not just cut everyone off. Once again (not often) Pinder gives a take I actually kind of agree with.
People in the comment section don't understand the difference between content and news. If they didn't have these debates and they just all agreed, there would be no entertainment.
You guys are starting to sound like argumentative old farts at the barbershop
@@Badger4077 😂
I agree…Stadler, Waldorf, and Warrener….😂😂😂😂
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Im confused by the comments that say "These guys DESERVE a shot so go pick up pieces"
Deserve? They are doing their job, and above expected, but deserve? Come on.
The fans who have been waiting since the late 80's DESERVE to see a competitive team.
1 good player.....hell 1 superstar doesnt put this team into contention. It just wont happen.
Pinder is right, keep this culture and build slowly. Dont mortgage the future for a shot to lose in the first round.
I love Boomer, but i wish just once he would give us what he thinks the team should do. All he does is pick apart what Pinder says (right or wrong).
If you think he's wrong, then tell us what you think.
Love the show, love the guys, keep it going.
I don't understand this notion that Vladar will tank the team. Pinder is hilarious with the top 10 pick bit. At any rate he was wrong about the Flames doing nothing until March 1. Conroy clearly isn't a GM who waits for the deadline. Not last year and not given the arrival of Farabee and Frost.
Just draft well. There are so many false narratives around the draft. Who are the best team in Canada today? Winnipeg. Kyle Conner was taken 17th. Hellebuyck 130th. Scheifele 7th. Lowry 67th. Morrissey 13th. Stanley 18th. Perfetti 10th. Pionk undrafted, Appleton 168th etc. etc. Not a single top 5 pick. One in the single digits. It's like the narrative around Mackinnon. Col was a good team, had bad luck (good luck?) in the 48game shortened season, came back with the same team the next year and finished 1st. Mackinnon wasn't a COL "strategy", he was a fluke.
Everyone understands what Pinder wants and we can all agree that is the best case scenario is getting a bona fide top draft pick. Here's the problem though with that thought process, it's all wishful thinking. The best indicator of the future is past behavior and with that said, I see no reason to believe that anything will ever change in the organizations approach. This ownership group has never willingly sold things down to the bare bones in the past 20 years since the cup run so why would they start doing it now? The success they are having against expectations this year will only hurt them long term because I'm sure there will be a belief internally that they are close. Craig Conroy said DAY 1 of his tenure as GM that he wanted to a Dallas Starts quick turn around retool. Why do we conveniently forget all of that? They aren't changing and never will. This whole thing could have been blown up before last season even started. When they signed Backlund to me that said we are going to stay "competitive" which we all know means the mucky middle.
They’ve shipped half of the core of the team from the start of last season, for all the complaining about it they could at most move Anderson (they still could next year and get a haul) and maybe Coleman (who they’d probably still have to retain on or wouldn’t get that much) I don’t think there’s nearly as many tradable assets on the team as your making it out to be. I think they did strip the team down and got Kuzmenko trying to revive and flip him this year and signed Mantha as a guy they could trade at the deadline but it’s tough for me to blame them for trying to make the playoffs this year when they’re right in contention for it and all the tradable assets could be trade for almost just as much in the offseason or next season and they still have 5 years left on huberdeau, this could be the only playoff hockey they see for a while. They better not trade any high picks or anything to help this year’s team but I’m fine with them not trading anyone at the deadline this year it doesn’t really change anything to me.
@@ramprat5812 You are right the got rid of expiring contracts last year which was smart but I don't agree with your assessment that last year was a full tear down of this team. The point Pinder has been arguing for a while is be as bad as possible to get top picks which is not going to happen if you still have really good players. My point is further proven by all this talk by your statement and our fanbase of Anderson/Coleman being traded. If they did tear it down as you say, Coleman, Kadri & Andrerson would have been shipped already whether it was last trade deadline or at this past draft. You would have also had a better chance at a higher draft pick in last years draft removing those players and you would have set yourself up to guarantee a top 10 pick the next 2 years. I think we always over value our players and I don't see us getting this huge haul everyone keeps mentioning because if that were the case don't you think the trade would have already happened? I absolutely want this team to be bad to get a franchise defining player but as I said in my original post, I don't believe that any of this is based in reality by the past actions of the management/ownership.
@@NumbEffect I understand what you want but you’re essentially making my point, they already did trade almost every asset that was worth anything last season including guys under team control for this year. They aren’t getting anything of consequence for a Kadri trade with that much term left and they’ll get very little for Coleman who makes a lot of money for a 3rd line winger on a good team so there’s basically one significant tradable asset left, and even the teams that hit the nuclear rebuild button don’t trade every single player and if they do they end up immediately turning and overpaying someone else to be the one vet leader on a terrible team, look at Anaheim, Chicago & San Jose they’ve all done that. The Flames are kind of stuck with a core of guys that they cant trade without retaining and tanking future years but they’re still good enough that they won’t bottom out immediately but imo they likely will in the next couple of years. If all the hand wringing is over trading one guy this year vs next year vs last year, it’s complaining about nothing. Flames fans seem to think that if we just get a top 10 pick for a couple years we can plan the cup parade for 5 years later and when you look at the absolute worst teams in hockey they’re filled with really high picks, it’s still a complete crap shoot. There’s still a good chance they trade Anderson in the off-season or at the deadline next year and get a very similar return (it’s not like it would have been 3 1st round picks if they did it last year)
I used to really enjoy the banter between the three but now I've started to watch this podcast just for the guests. I don't always agree with Pinder, but I'm getting tired of seeing him essentially bullied by the other two.
Yeah I’ve noticed since the start of this season in particular Pinders been ganged up on multiple times a week, it really get uncomfortable to watch because it’s not like they’re doing it for arguments sake. They’re just being rude to his face for no reason.
How far along is Anthony Mantha. Can he come back in March? It really hurt the Flames losing his scoring touch.
Out for the season
Rhett the realist, the yellow-hat guy is out to lunch, imo.
I Thought A Hockey Game Was Going To Break Out!
I don't want to hear this Andersson trade BS. The team needs good D-men through the rebuild and there will be other opportunities to trade him over the next few seasons when the rest of the roster takes up more of the cap. It's insane to leave a massive void on D when he is needed by the team he is on.
Pinder is 100% right, and boomer and Rhett never answered how thing group wina. If you couldn't win with Anderson as a 5 mil defender, how do you win with him as a 8.5+
I don't want flames to continue their mediocrity, sell off Kadri and Anderson and play the kids
Conroy should make a trade now like nowww while we are in a playoff spot playoff hockey is fun to watch get the young guys some playoff experience. My wish is a Dman and a center men damn I miss mantha though 😢😢
5 points is nothing. Van just made that ground in a week.
Pinder is 💯
Every episode now is like couples therapy with Pinder and it's so annoying
Really? I quite enjoy it!
Lets Start Trading For Draft Picks And Get Michael Misa & More Good Centers Some How.
The thing I find most amazing about Pinder is he never seems to know what side of the argument he's on
Pinder was right, although he can be a bit of a know-it-all at times lol
Tanking is not the route nor gurantees anything , ask Buffalo. Plus wolf emerging is a game changer , you gotta build on the fly now and it can be done.
Or you could ask Colorado, Tampa Bay, Pittsburgh and Chicago
@kellyzak2375 or you could ask phoenix , anaheim , detroit or philadelphia or ottawa or montreal , way more chance of being stuck in a never ending rebuild than winning the generational talent lotto.
@kellyzak2375 plus you wanna destroy Wolfs career / confidence by selling off anybody good and getting pummeled every night for the next 4-8 years ??? No thanks, that sounds like a terrible plan at this point.
@@itainteasy80Absolutely but I’d rather give it a go, especially with having foundational goalie which is usually the hardest piece to get, than to be continually middling team. Aren’t you sick of losing?
@@itainteasy80So does finishing tenth every season.
i dont c all the hype about pareck he has already said on tv he plays the way he wants 2 play that tells me he is not a team guy and is uncoachable
Sorry, but I do have to agree with Pinder
And you want people to pay good money to watch nothing happen for another 4 - 8 years when its already been 30 years?
greater chance at prolonged conference winners. Arguing that is just ignorant. How do they not understand that picking on top 5 a few times gives you a greater chance at being stars than not. Outside of iginla, and Johnny flames have never had a star. You need a bunch of top picks to be a strong contender
I agree with your point, but the Flames have had FAR more star players than that. MacInnis, Theo, Nieuwendyk, Vernon to name a few. Admittedly, they're all back in the 80s/90s though.
Agreed. Those are all great but not a Mathew type player that’s breaking team records before 30
@Mr.Grantosis Fair point, I personally don't understand the extreme distaste for bottoming out. Literally every single team (except vegas) who have won the cup within the past 10 years has had someone on their team, drafted in the top 5 who is a "star."
Agreed. Everyone forgets but Tampa was the laughing stock of the league for a decade. And they’ve won multiple cups and was the best team in the league for years. That’s where I wanna see the flames. I’ll be happy with 10 years of pain to see a cup in my lifetime
Listen, I know Pinder can be a bit much sometimes. But the other two are pricks to him every segment. Get rid of him they don't even seem like they like him. Dean and Rhett are real good at shitting on Pinder but horseshit at coming up with their own takes. "What are you gonna do Deannn!!" Jeeesus
I love this. Wish my oiler convis could be this gpod
Yeah, Pinders right. 😢 😂
Conroy said he wanted to audition guys in the organization to see where they stood. Pretty sure he knows now. This Flames team has been competitive in almost every game they’ve played because they outwork their opponents on most nights. I’m not suggesting they mortgage their future but Craig has to throw them a bone. With 20 million in cap space I don’t see that being a big ask.
Bringing in a players now is no guarantee for success. Past with Wideman Brower Neal Rsymond etc. did not work
Impact players come from the draft even late ones ie Datsyuk 6th Gaudreau 4th Wolf 7th
Pinder only smart guy on the panel
Pinder is taxing to listen to. My question to Rhett would be what would the feeling be in the room if your team has been busting their ass to get into the playoffs, to have the GM say yeah F it, bring in the kids to get a high pick. Pinder is the most negative person. Because he puts all the faith into tanking to get to the top, he's a one-trick pony. The players and the current team will lead into the direction this needs to go. Is it remotely possible they are further ahead than he gives them credit for.
Weren't u clowns 5 points ahead of the nucks a dysfunctional nucks team???
Does the dude with the sunglasses (weird af btw) add anything to the convo besides poo pooing other's ideas?
He's blind bro
@@Flames_Nation😂 I thought it was deaf
Habs just lost Guhle they’re now Tank Commanders.
Unless the Flames can guarantee me the first overall no thanks. Pinder is clueless. Add something. The guys have played and deserve a present. Play hard almost evernight and the veterans are showing the way. Some success now for Coronato Zary Bahl Wolf is huge. In the nhl you never no the next star unless McJesus. Look at just last year's picks in the OHL for Calgary. Parekh Mews Misa Battaglia. All looking great. The star might be there just a year or two away. Didn't mention Pinders boyfriend Basha who could be good to. Should Flames do nothing and get top ten for Rico Fata clone. Reward this team now.
Let the Flames keep pushing for the playoffs!! Conroy can add a player or two just dont salvage the future.. This is what id do.. I would trade up for Michael Misa!! You have two later first rd picks and you can give a pick in 2026.. Youll all think im crazy but why not!! You would have your number 1 center at 18 years old!! His brother is already in the organization and he plays with Zayne Parekh!! Your future power play everything right there fuck it!! Pull the trigger you have Wolf and with Wolf theres no number 1 pick or top 10 for that matter!! Get Michael Misa !!! Seriously let Schafer go nunber one then make a trade with whoever selects number 2!!
If Miss is that good , why is a team trading him for some much lesser picks?
Lol you make it sound so easy. Teams dont just trade away their top 5 draft picks. It would need to be two 20 - 30th firsts plus some more atleast.
@@garycochrane4829yep, this guy thinks teams just trade away top 5 picks
If the flames had average penalty kill and overtime record what would be different. What if we got a goal scorer for the powerplay. Pinder is such a downer.
Literally every team has a higher scorer on their roster than the Flames. Name a team farther from a Cup than the Flames. Is there a team in the league you wouldn't swap rosters and farm teams 1:1 for? The bottom feeders have hope, the contenders have a shot. The Flames are the mushy middlest team in the league.
Hey guys, could have used a save last night? Lol
Dubois give away in the slot, Strome left alone on 5 on 3 and Protas breakway goal... They really needed to put the puck in the net on all the opportunities they had!
Yeah he didn’t post a shutout, he sucks…terrible goalie..
@@al.grundau9441if the cOilers had Dustin Wolf they could’ve won the cup last season
@@al.grundau9441or better yet. Roloson in 06’
Goalie envy 😂
Why are we so hung up on getting top 10 picks? Super star players can be found later in the draft too. Wolf changes nothing. Just because we hold a playoff spot does not make us a contender. Stick to the plan. Don't add!!
It's important this year so we aren't giving Montreal our highest pick in the draft. Since it's top 10 protected.
i wish theyd just bottom out. this team is depressing
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