English stock, 28 gauge, over-under. But mine is the Ruger Red label. Purchased the 1st year Ruger made it available. Grouse, Doodles and even Pheasants. If you ever find one at a gun shop, don't hesitate to bring it home.
I have a CZ Bobwhite 20g side by side, I had some trigger work done by CZ to lighten the trigger pull made it a very good shotgun for under 800.00 dollars.
My 12 has great triggers but it's heavy for mountain hunting, especially after I put lead in the butt to balance it on the action instead of in front of the pin. I wanted a 20 but this one came up, still kinda regret not waiting it out. But on the other hand I did get to hunt through the shortages, I could find ammo.
Even though Ben is a friend from the draht SEHC....I gotta go with you for the side by side....ultimate bird hunting setup. I also love straight grip, double triggers, extractors, etc. Both are great...Love my 16g from UGC.
I have a Beretta A400 Xplor in 28 gauge, I love it! Thank you for your videos Steve! I always love shooting shotguns and I appreciate all of the footage you bring to the shotgun world! Keep up the great work Steve!
The part where Steve trims the trees made me laugh. Upland purists dont read this, but I use my Beretta Extrema2 12 gauge and last season I did exactly that. Shot at a grouse, 2 shots, marked the spot where he fell and next thing I knew a small tree was falling on me! Great to get some advice and info from experienced grouse hunters.
Right from the start, I'd take an over and under, rubber butt pad because in my world my guns spend a lot of time leaning on stuff and you lost me at 30 inch barrels. 24 or 26 at most catch less on swings.
That surprises me also. I have a specialized English stock grouse gun - a Browning BPS 20-gauge pump with 22” barrels 🤣. Have had it since I was a teenager and it is fantastic especially in thick young aspen stands.
@@sawyerplume3321 Ha ha. Nice. I’m an average shot. At best. Right handed. Left eye dominant. I have a couple very fine O/U expensive shotguns I’ve used for a couple decades. I recently dug out my Remington 870 Wingmaster 12-gauge pump 28” barrel and I’ve significantly increased my kill ratio on pheasants. And I’m having more fun with it. Go figure.
Both shotguns are awesome, I've never owned a side by side but Ben's gun would probably fit me better, I'm built like him. Send me that gun Ben! 😂Big shoutout to the awesome dogs!
Maybe Ben’s for practicality but both are amazing. Great video. I agree with Ben's analysis that the biggest thing is sight picture (once you get used to double trigger). I still find i'm slightly more consistent with over/under and single barrel guns. I like the prince of wales grip as a compromise between the extremes of grips.
Absolutely the SxS. With the straight stock and splinter fore end. That gun is built for point and shoot instinctive shooting. The OU is a great clay gun, but sight picture isn’t as good as a SxS.
I'm an O/U guy. When I see SxS guns I think stagecoaches thanks to watching way too many cowboy western movies as a kid. I can't wrap my head around using a SxS in the woods.
I would go with a combo of the two. The side by side double barrel is really cool, but I don't like the straight English stock. If your gun had the stock of the over under, it would be perfect
Woodcock, definitely a British SxS. Grouse, is generally a 32 S&W long pistol! lol 👍🏼 Both those guns were very nice for a semi affordable new gun. So many amazing old 26” British box locks that are practically giving away however so I gotta go with the classics. Beautiful old used guns don’t pay the bills however so you guys did great! 👍🏼
Without hesitation the Over Under because of the ejectors and screw in chokes. These features make a gun very versatile. Besides, I can't accurately shoot a side by side to save my life.
For better grip and hand placement with splinter forearm (as found on some doubles) I use a leather handgaurd. Both guns would be outstanding grouse woods smokepoles, in my opinion. I really appreciate the tips using OnX.
I shoot a 10% rusted, $120 H&R topper turkey 12 ga it's light has sling swivels and reliable. Heading to the squirrel woods now for a quick limit hopefully.great video!!!!
Side by side gives me the fizz, however I prefer a classic sidelock as opposed to the boxlock. Ejectors add joy to the whole experience as long as I have one of my Sons along to pick up the shells for me…if not, extractors are just fine. There is nothing quite like an English shotgun. Cheers.
Side by sides for life. Still have my first side by side that patterns great with all my buckshot, buck n ball, ball & upland handloads. Its my go to hunt gun for deer, hog & upland and had killed more animals than any of my other shotguns I own. Its a Stevens 311 Series H that was originally my moms from the lates 70s. A few years ago I got it from my Uncle & since I was doing Gunsmithing classes with AGI and was apprenticing with a gunsmith here it became my project gun and man I brought that thing back to life from polish chamber and bore, re facing, refinishing the bluing and oldschool month long BLO handrubbed application. Only thing I do need make is a new forend. My uncle pulled the ole bubba and fucking dremeled the wood where the shoe fits so its a little wobbly but hey, it still fits and shoots.
So after the fashion show is over… the only question that is at all relevant is which gun looks better after you’ve dropped it a few dozen times scrambling over slash in the other North Woods in ME…. Also, after everyone is done dorking out over case colors and engraving, a fine auto loader in 20 or, my fav, 16 (the old school ideal gauge) is hard to beat. Go put your hands on a new Browning A5 in 16 at 5lbs12oz, appreciate the third follow up shot (run it heavy in a #6) and come back and tell me I’m wrong.
The ultimate upland shotgun is an 870 youth model :) But if I had to choose from these two, I'd pick the SxS just 'cause they look so damn cool and are a bit rarer.
Really loving your channel, been binge watching a lot of your videos. What would your recommendations be for someone wanting a great semi auto 20ga that can just do it all for under $1000???
Ben , living North East of GR. What gps system are you using on your dog? Did I see it's linked to your watch? I'm assuming garmin . Any way to link my dog to my OnX ? That would be Sweet!
Nah, the ultimate upland hunting shotgun is something that's practical for clays and all forms of hunting and home defense. That's a pump or semi auto. I prefer the 1100 or the 870. The Ithaca 31 or Winchester Model 12 or Mossberg 500 are solid choices, but there's many others. The double is classic but only for clays and upland.
I thought the same thing until I got one. I like it with a double trigger gun. It makes it easier for me to slide my hand back slightly after the first shot and connect with the rear trigger
Wait, what? My kids kill ruff grouse with wrist rockets, pellet guns and darts. Maybe you could save a few bucks by acquiring a daisy red Ryder for your grouse.
The side by side for sure but I’d wear my baseball cap the way it was designed to be worn. 😉😂
100% without a doubt. Dead giveaway of fashion over function mindset. Just wear a toboggin / beanie cover and be done.
Hat is backwards so he can have a larger field of view to see targets.
You wanna call it a baseball cap than neither one of them should be wearing it as they aren’t playing baseball.
@ I agree
Built for speeed
I really like this kind of content on the channel. Keep em coming, Steve
Double trigger side -by-side. All day, every day
English stock, 28 gauge, over-under. But mine is the Ruger Red label. Purchased the 1st year Ruger made it available. Grouse, Doodles and even Pheasants. If you ever find one at a gun shop, don't hesitate to bring it home.
OVER UNDER WITH PRINESS OF WALES GRIP. PERFECT
I have a CZ Bobwhite 20g side by side, I had some trigger work done by CZ to lighten the trigger pull made it a very good shotgun for under 800.00 dollars.
Huglu
My 12 has great triggers but it's heavy for mountain hunting, especially after I put lead in the butt to balance it on the action instead of in front of the pin. I wanted a 20 but this one came up, still kinda regret not waiting it out. But on the other hand I did get to hunt through the shortages, I could find ammo.
Side-by-side for sure. I love my CZ Bobwhite G2 Project Upland in 28 Gauge. It looks pretty much identical to Steve's SxS in this video.
Even though Ben is a friend from the draht SEHC....I gotta go with you for the side by side....ultimate bird hunting setup. I also love straight grip, double triggers, extractors, etc. Both are great...Love my 16g from UGC.
Bens over under. I have a hard time with the side by side. Both beautiful guns.
The Ruffed grouse is the greatest hunting 🍁🍂🌲🌞👍
I have a Beretta A400 Xplor in 28 gauge, I love it! Thank you for your videos Steve! I always love shooting shotguns and I appreciate all of the footage you bring to the shotgun world! Keep up the great work Steve!
SxS for me. I love the V sight picture, it just leads your eye right to the target.
Ben’s gun looks amazing, but a sxs behind a bird dog has its own classy charm to it.
Love this kind of content from the channel as well!!!
SXS 20ga for me, with rubber pad, forget engraving. Both look like great guns guys, Happy Huntin!
The part where Steve trims the trees made me laugh. Upland purists dont read this, but I use my Beretta Extrema2 12 gauge and last season I did exactly that. Shot at a grouse, 2 shots, marked the spot where he fell and next thing I knew a small tree was falling on me!
Great to get some advice and info from experienced grouse hunters.
Right from the start, I'd take an over and under, rubber butt pad because in my world my guns spend a lot of time leaning on stuff and you lost me at 30 inch barrels. 24 or 26 at most catch less on swings.
30 in Barrels?! That’s crazy to me in the Grouse woods! I will be getting a 20 or 28 sxs to hunt over my English pointer next year.
That surprises me also. I have a specialized English stock grouse gun - a Browning BPS 20-gauge pump with 22” barrels 🤣. Have had it since I was a teenager and it is fantastic especially in thick young aspen stands.
@ I hunt with an old BPS 20 myself. Upland Daze on here and you can see how poor I shoot it lol
@@sawyerplume3321 Ha ha. Nice. I’m an average shot. At best. Right handed. Left eye dominant. I have a couple very fine O/U expensive shotguns I’ve used for a couple decades. I recently dug out my Remington 870 Wingmaster 12-gauge pump 28” barrel and I’ve significantly increased my kill ratio on pheasants. And I’m having more fun with it. Go figure.
Over and under but in 20 gauge.
Indeed! If you're on a budget (or tend to beat upland guns in the thick wood) ATI Turkeyfowl is a great rig. Grouse, turkey, whitetail 👍
SxS, always go with double triggers. Instant choice of choke is so valuable.
A 28 gauge double, two triggers 26 inch barrels with open chokes .
You've nailed it Eddie 👌
Both shotguns are awesome, I've never owned a side by side but Ben's gun would probably fit me better, I'm built like him. Send me that gun Ben! 😂Big shoutout to the awesome dogs!
Maybe Ben’s for practicality but both are amazing. Great video. I agree with Ben's analysis that the biggest thing is sight picture (once you get used to double trigger). I still find i'm slightly more consistent with over/under and single barrel guns. I like the prince of wales grip as a compromise between the extremes of grips.
I like the over under
Which shotgun would you choose? The O/U or the SxS? Let us know down below!
Can you do a review of weatherlby sxs 20 ga?
Side by side for sure.
Absolutely the SxS. With the straight stock and splinter fore end. That gun is built for point and shoot instinctive shooting. The OU is a great clay gun, but sight picture isn’t as good as a SxS.
I'm an O/U guy. When I see SxS guns I think stagecoaches thanks to watching way too many cowboy western movies as a kid. I can't wrap my head around using a SxS in the woods.
I’ve only grouse hunted a few times and found it’s definitely a humbling experience. Nice video!
I would go with a combo of the two. The side by side double barrel is really cool, but I don't like the straight English stock. If your gun had the stock of the over under, it would be perfect
O/U all day every day!
Steve, you don’t wait for the bird to rise you just blast, because you only get one chance. Great video keep them coming.
Have hunted grouse about 60miles west of Duluth. My go to gun is a 1950’s Winchester model 12 featherweight with a 26” ic barrel
Woodcock, definitely a British SxS. Grouse, is generally a 32 S&W long pistol! lol 👍🏼 Both those guns were very nice for a semi affordable new gun. So many amazing old 26” British box locks that are practically giving away however so I gotta go with the classics. Beautiful old used guns don’t pay the bills however so you guys did great! 👍🏼
Which ever is the 16 is my choice
Side by side all the way. Love my 20 guage. Great video
Without hesitation the Over Under because of the ejectors and screw in chokes. These features make a gun very versatile. Besides, I can't accurately shoot a side by side to save my life.
For better grip and hand placement with splinter forearm (as found on some doubles) I use a leather handgaurd. Both guns would be outstanding grouse woods smokepoles, in my opinion. I really appreciate the tips using OnX.
Side by Side, love my custom side by side 20 gauge
I shoot a 10% rusted, $120 H&R topper turkey 12 ga it's light has sling swivels and reliable. Heading to the squirrel woods now for a quick limit hopefully.great video!!!!
S/S 28ga. The only upgrade i want is ejecters. Thats an absolute must in a hunting gun
Old school double barrel all the way! 🥰
Side by side all the way for me. 😀
Thanks Steve,
What a super video!
Both are great guns but i would take the SxS!
Side by side!
Side by side gives me the fizz, however I prefer a classic sidelock as opposed to the boxlock. Ejectors add joy to the whole experience as long as I have one of my Sons along to pick up the shells for me…if not, extractors are just fine. There is nothing quite like an English shotgun. Cheers.
One of the best videos that shows how grouse hunting is lol
Been a fan of the Yildiz Legacy HP 20GA for a few years now.
Side by side for sure
Side by sides for life. Still have my first side by side that patterns great with all my buckshot, buck n ball, ball & upland handloads. Its my go to hunt gun for deer, hog & upland and had killed more animals than any of my other shotguns I own.
Its a Stevens 311 Series H that was originally my moms from the lates 70s. A few years ago I got it from my Uncle & since I was doing Gunsmithing classes with AGI and was apprenticing with a gunsmith here it became my project gun and man I brought that thing back to life from polish chamber and bore, re facing, refinishing the bluing and oldschool month long BLO handrubbed application. Only thing I do need make is a new forend. My uncle pulled the ole bubba and fucking dremeled the wood where the shoe fits so its a little wobbly but hey, it still fits and shoots.
Side by side everyday of the week and twice on Sunday
Looks fun! Love my 12ga but have a blast with my sub guages
Over and under
I’m going with the SxS! Greetings from 🇨🇦
I was out all day today. Flushed one and another came out. A perfect hit on it. It fell in a swamp and I couldn't find it. Fun time though.
So after the fashion show is over… the only question that is at all relevant is which gun looks better after you’ve dropped it a few dozen times scrambling over slash in the other North Woods in ME…. Also, after everyone is done dorking out over case colors and engraving, a fine auto loader in 20 or, my fav, 16 (the old school ideal gauge) is hard to beat. Go put your hands on a new Browning A5 in 16 at 5lbs12oz, appreciate the third follow up shot (run it heavy in a #6) and come back and tell me I’m wrong.
I'm trying to figure out why they were hunting with the guns broke open
Ithaca 20 gauge skb 600 nuff said
Would like to see a review on the stodgier m 3000 signature semi auto shogun with engraved nickel receiver 12ga . Keep up the grate reviews
Your's is beutiful. But I have to go with the over under of Ben's. His is a very beutiful gun.
If I were duck hunting, CZ Redhead All Terrain, the over under for water !!
The ultimate upland shotgun is an 870 youth model :) But if I had to choose from these two, I'd pick the SxS just 'cause they look so damn cool and are a bit rarer.
The shotguns i prefer to use are side by side almost always.
Really loving your channel, been binge watching a lot of your videos. What would your recommendations be for someone wanting a great semi auto 20ga that can just do it all for under $1000???
SXS for me!
Side by side
Awesome video. Can we get a full review on the weatherby sorix
28 ga ou all the way hate 2 triggers
Ben , living North East of GR. What gps system are you using on your dog? Did I see it's linked to your watch? I'm assuming garmin . Any way to link my dog to my OnX ? That would be Sweet!
You need to review the Weatherby Orion sxs
amazing video thanks
32 inch barrels it’s a mistake in the woods.
I'll take them both!😁
SxS for Forest hunting and o/u for prairie hunting
Over Under
Sxs single trigger .28 ga.
Hey Steve what boots did you have on ?
20 gauge Franchi or Benelli ultra light semi auto, those OU/SS are very pretty but you're at a disadvantage.
Over under
When are we gonna get the weatherby sorix video
I like Ben’s O/U better. I feel like with a SxS it obstructs view a little
Nah, the ultimate upland hunting shotgun is something that's practical for clays and all forms of hunting and home defense. That's a pump or semi auto. I prefer the 1100 or the 870. The Ithaca 31 or Winchester Model 12 or Mossberg 500 are solid choices, but there's many others. The double is classic but only for clays and upland.
Side by side. I prefer selectable single trigger.
Muy fácinantes videos de cazeria amigos saludos y de armas
Over and Under for me please!
The sxs
Looking into ordering an upland
Highly recommend 💯
The s/s all the way!!!!
What vests are they wearing
Over-Under. I don't understand the English stock. How can that be comfortable?
I thought the same thing until I got one. I like it with a double trigger gun. It makes it easier for me to slide my hand back slightly after the first shot and connect with the rear trigger
What vests are yall using?
I know Ben had a Final Rise. Funny thing is I don't know what brand mine is but I don't love it. I know a lot of folks love their Final Rise vests.
Wait, what? My kids kill ruff grouse with wrist rockets, pellet guns and darts. Maybe you could save a few bucks by acquiring a daisy red Ryder for your grouse.
The OU all the way
I'd be too scared to take either of them hunting. Best gun is a $400 pawn shop gun I can use as a walking stick if need be 😅
Over/under but in 20 gauge.
Side by side myself. But I'm a cowboy hat guy.
jmp
o/u for the win
side by side is far more classy,
O/U but 20 GA
Ben