As a karrigan and Ropz fan this was heart breaking. karrigan is my GOAT IGL. The calling from karrigan on ancient vs G2 was also spectacular from an untrained eye.. maybe you could look into it.
@@majlo213 No he's right it might be a bug go try it out in an offline server, there seems to be a very tiny delay where the smoke is in the air and you can still move it with your movement. Someone should look into this...
43:55 I remember watching this live, cheering for Faze, and seeing that smoke miss was most likely the reason they lost the game made me so fucking pissed...... Having you watching it back in slow motion still makes me think it was some dogshit cs2 collision. Especially after that Ropz round, thinking this game was about to go OT
Yeah it was such an ah fuck moment. I was convinced after the back to back ropz and rain retakes it was gg and faze was going for OT and winning it 16-12.
damn dude, what if I tell you I was a draken fan, and damn right broky fan TOO? :S what worse is I think woxic has "POTENTIAL" I mean .... I just like the guy flicking
18:10 something that I think you might've missed this round is when zont1x bailed off B and died in mid historically it has been donk doubling B with zont1x normally but was goose this round and the fact that faze mightve been thinking donk is alive on B since they have not seen him this round and is to scared to take the 2v1 vs donk on site and would rather try to run down sh1ro soloing A since magixx pushed through long and try to maybe catch donk rotating
13:48 broky hits a straight body shot with the awp and it counts as a leg or a wall bang. What in the cs2 am I watching? 😵💫 23:39 oh right, we’re just watching a competition ready game. 44:07 wait, what?!
@@aviansays Wallbang to the hand. Slim margins but happens. Smoke doesnt make sense, would need to see keyboard inputs to tell if he presses a the same second he throws the smoke. But looks like could be a collision bug as well.
Broky didn't misplay by jumping up, its the only play he has because his position is exposed to tunnels, he's taken a shot and if he backs up he can die to a retaker at window. His only choice is to re fight at a different angle and that's exactly what he did. He literally cannot play it any differently. Hes also playing a multi position idk what else to call it, where if there is a window player theyre going to contact his teammate first and he can swing to trade that guy too.
great analysis - another thing that I found interesting was how much donk seemed to read them. Normally a B player on CT, played A side a lot early in the half (perhaps facilitated by the tunnels info plays). Then on the faze buy round after their eco he;s back towards b/mid. Dude is sick I guess. EDIT lol said this before you mentioned it ignore me
@@infinite1483 Keep dreaming, I'm all up for it, but the majority of the community seems to despise BO5 format, claiming it's too long, too exhausting and nobody got time to watch that shit.
@@MusicJunkie37 Nah, there was a thread in r/globaloffensive asking for BO5 Finals right after the major finished and the majority of people still think it's unnecessary for the same reasons, "too long", "nobody got time to watch that". As someone who used to watch dota2 pro scene and moved to CS, the first time I discovered that all CS grand finals(major included) are BO3, I was so confused... And it's not even the orgs fault, since a huge part of the community prefer it this way.
When Karrigan (and Rain) made G2 spending 5-10 seconds on wrong bomb site in Ancient, in Major semifinal? That's goat IGL call. It reminds of his call during the match agaisnt ENCE in IEM Dallas.
Yeh the recency bias is crazy. There are quite a few grand finals better than this. Only one close map no overtime’s at all. The only good map was dust2 the other two maps were boring stomps
Yea Faze lost the map in the first half. But they redeemed themselves in the 2nd half. The calling was good, but they just woke up too late this time 🙈. I would actually say, they could even blame the Loss on that bugged smoke throw on the final round. They should report it to valve. Still in the end, well done to Spirit. They seized the moment and won! 🎉
karrigan's shanghai major playoff run beats zywoo's major win run in terms of competition beat. sure karrigan didnt get gold but he had way tougher opponents than apeks and gamer legion, mf karrigan beat zywoo then niko and m0nesy the next day
Proper IGL would know a good smoke for mid door, I barely play and I know that smoke lineup from 0:10 is no good for a long time. They struggle when playing according to plan and play well when against the wall, he's lucky his teammates are experienced and can improvise under pressure in most situations.
its not lucky he has those players - he chose and recruited those players lmao - he has good talent ID but karriedgans never been consistent number 1 for a reason
"All time" in the context of CS2 is like a few years😐Open a dictionary bro, there's lots of better suited words for someone that's been the best at something that's 1-2 years old...
Yes Karrigan is a good IGL, but we could also argue that Faze is the better team in terms of firepower. Spirit has donk (insane fragger) and sh1ro (just a solid clutch and consistent player), magixx, chopper, and zontixx (for the most part very inconsistent but can sometimes win scrappy fights and get info). Faze have rain (top player on faze), ropz (who was so good pros thought he was cheating), broky (eh decent aggressive player), and frozen (who ppl said was next star player arguably better than ropz), and karrigan (goat IGL). Now tell me whose favored and who won?
Why bring up team comp when it was literally 2v5 by magixx and donk with a combined rating of 3.2 and 240 adr on all 3 maps. You literally have 2 super sayain katowice donk lvl rifles and 3 tier 2 performance lvl players two of which occasionally gave calls and won some clutches. You can have best team comp in the whole world but if u can't resist getting donked in the middle or outlurked and magixxed from behind u won't win team spirit no matter what.
@@MusicJunkie37 based on their age , reaction time and reflexes ... you know it is proven your reaction time deteriorates pretty rapidly after 25 years of age ... and these guys are already in their 30s ... that is the main reason why the elite riflers and awpers are the first ones to go and they have the most rapid downfall in performance once they hit the wall ... s1mple , kenny , scream , shox , apex , get_right , olof , coldzera ... you name it ... they either transition to support/IGL/coach roles or they quit ... karrigan can only still play at this level because he is the great IGL , but he had like 0,77 rating at this major .
Stop with t his cringe "best of all time" when he's only been the best for one year so far. Way too early to call and massively insulting to Niko who's the only rifler to keep that consistency for as long as he has.
i don't understand if you disagree
Y'all know this is just my opinion, Right? 9.5/10
fantano?
the outcome would be different if broky hit his shots, ropz literally had more awp highlights this final than him
@@jerzy5933 The outcome would also have been the same if sh1ro and zont1x literally didn't play without monitors in the final
@@itsvoo sucks to be Faze OOF. To get so close.
As a karrigan and Ropz fan this was heart breaking. karrigan is my GOAT IGL. The calling from karrigan on ancient vs G2 was also spectacular from an untrained eye.. maybe you could look into it.
Same, would have made for such a good storyline
44:05 more people should talk about this
it's a demo, broky whiffed the smoke on his screen, what's there to talk about
Check him PC
@@majlo213 No he's right it might be a bug go try it out in an offline server, there seems to be a very tiny delay where the smoke is in the air and you can still move it with your movement. Someone should look into this...
problably fatfingered the A-key, high pressure situation + these low actuation point keyboards, so easy to misplay even if its just a nudge :(
demos aren't and will never be accurate. he missed in his screen, the demo doesn't reflect that
This donk clickbait is diabolical
donk spotted frozen’s shoulder in the second pistol
43:55 I remember watching this live, cheering for Faze, and seeing that smoke miss was most likely the reason they lost the game made me so fucking pissed...... Having you watching it back in slow motion still makes me think it was some dogshit cs2 collision. Especially after that Ropz round, thinking this game was about to go OT
Yeah it was such an ah fuck moment. I was convinced after the back to back ropz and rain retakes it was gg and faze was going for OT and winning it 16-12.
such a terrible way to lose the diamond coin. faze just have to keep robbing my hope at the last second
demos aren't and will never be accurate. he missed in his screen, the demo doesn't reflect that
broky is the new draken, ropz awp kept them afloat on d2
damn dude, what if I tell you I was a draken fan, and damn right broky fan TOO? :S what worse is I think woxic has "POTENTIAL" I mean .... I just like the guy flicking
love how angry donk makes alot of people simply by existing lol
21:00 « really like that play » bros just spamming thru the smoke
we all know that the real GOAT is JW
yep
back to the psych ward pal
18:10 something that I think you might've missed this round is when zont1x bailed off B and died in mid historically it has been donk doubling B with zont1x normally but was goose this round and the fact that faze mightve been thinking donk is alive on B since they have not seen him this round and is to scared to take the 2v1 vs donk on site and would rather try to run down sh1ro soloing A since magixx pushed through long and try to maybe catch donk rotating
That is the donk aura
@@zhipengshi7966 that's star aura in general. Go to the place you have the biggest chance of success
13:48 broky hits a straight body shot with the awp and it counts as a leg or a wall bang. What in the cs2 am I watching? 😵💫
23:39 oh right, we’re just watching a competition ready game.
44:07 wait, what?!
this is a demo.
you wouldn't be seeing that tracer if it wasn't a wallbang. shot hit the corner. plus probably a 32 tick demo
@@ajeettvoh really? I thought this was live. The second one I was shit posting for effect lol
@@aviansays Wallbang to the hand. Slim margins but happens. Smoke doesnt make sense, would need to see keyboard inputs to tell if he presses a the same second he throws the smoke. But looks like could be a collision bug as well.
@@thomaslangman9216 theres no way its a collision bug. Margin is too big. Try throwing that smoke for yourself it lands 10/10 IF you dont press A.
Broky didn't misplay by jumping up, its the only play he has because his position is exposed to tunnels, he's taken a shot and if he backs up he can die to a retaker at window. His only choice is to re fight at a different angle and that's exactly what he did.
He literally cannot play it any differently.
Hes also playing a multi position idk what else to call it, where if there is a window player theyre going to contact his teammate first and he can swing to trade that guy too.
great analysis - another thing that I found interesting was how much donk seemed to read them. Normally a B player on CT, played A side a lot early in the half (perhaps facilitated by the tunnels info plays). Then on the faze buy round after their eco he;s back towards b/mid. Dude is sick I guess. EDIT lol said this before you mentioned it ignore me
when Bo5 finals?
Hopefully the next Major a BO3 of 24regular rounds is too short
@@infinite1483 Keep dreaming, I'm all up for it, but the majority of the community seems to despise BO5 format, claiming it's too long, too exhausting and nobody got time to watch that shit.
@@ZETxZ4 That was for MR15, since MR12 more are open to it
@@MusicJunkie37 Nah, there was a thread in r/globaloffensive asking for BO5 Finals right after the major finished and the majority of people still think it's unnecessary for the same reasons, "too long", "nobody got time to watch that".
As someone who used to watch dota2 pro scene and moved to CS, the first time I discovered that all CS grand finals(major included) are BO3, I was so confused...
And it's not even the orgs fault, since a huge part of the community prefer it this way.
@@ZETxZ4 getting opinons off reddit ahaha
This is only tangentially related but is there a reason that leetify rating isn't used alongside/over HLTV rating? Is it just too opaque? Too new?
The smoke clipped the left door barely. That missed smoke was big :(
Not really, they would have got basically the exact same scenario had it hit!?! Voo acknowledges this since donk is already pushed out
When Karrigan (and Rain) made G2 spending 5-10 seconds on wrong bomb site in Ancient, in Major semifinal? That's goat IGL call.
It reminds of his call during the match agaisnt ENCE in IEM Dallas.
and some people was againts you for donk #1, donk was always #1 !!!!
Not really, before the major it was very even between monesy zywoo and donk
why do i hear double audio
forgot to delete a couple lines of audio early on, gets fixed after a few minutes
Can't believe Voo didn't watch the best grand finals of a major live.
I think Cloud9 vs FaZe still tops it for me
Yeh the recency bias is crazy. There are quite a few grand finals better than this. Only one close map no overtime’s at all. The only good map was dust2 the other two maps were boring stomps
@@torinkeenan2718at least this major final was the most entertaining since Stockholm major.
Yea Faze lost the map in the first half. But they redeemed themselves in the 2nd half. The calling was good, but they just woke up too late this time 🙈. I would actually say, they could even blame the Loss on that bugged smoke throw on the final round. They should report it to valve.
Still in the end, well done to Spirit. They seized the moment and won! 🎉
cs2 is hard, faze honestly did not that bad, yes maybe some more risky plays could have done it, especially against spirit, but yep.
Based and karrigan pilled
Anyone else hate the new AK inspect? I saw it last night and woke up thinking it was a bad dream or April fools joke.
karrigan's shanghai major playoff run beats zywoo's major win run in terms of competition beat. sure karrigan didnt get gold but he had way tougher opponents than apeks and gamer legion, mf karrigan beat zywoo then niko and m0nesy the next day
That final smoke could very well have cost the game. CS2 for you.
It COULD HAVE, but had it hit the round would have played the same like he said, thats not why faze lost.
@@BeastyBundy Ye but I guess we'll never know for sure 🤷♂
It's the demo, in the player's screen he failed the smoke bro, believe it or not
@@lucid5183 we literally know for sure brother, why wouldn’t he play the same position he did, the smoke wouldn’t change anything
Proper IGL would know a good smoke for mid door, I barely play and I know that smoke lineup from 0:10 is no good for a long time. They struggle when playing according to plan and play well when against the wall, he's lucky his teammates are experienced and can improvise under pressure in most situations.
its not lucky he has those players - he chose and recruited those players lmao - he has good talent ID but karriedgans never been consistent number 1 for a reason
Yeah and ur still worse than him LOL
Why don't you just go pro and show everyone how it's done?
Donk Goat of cs2 easily.
"All time" in the context of CS2 is like a few years😐Open a dictionary bro, there's lots of better suited words for someone that's been the best at something that's 1-2 years old...
good video ty voo
1:41 9 rounds
Yes Karrigan is a good IGL, but we could also argue that Faze is the better team in terms of firepower. Spirit has donk (insane fragger) and sh1ro (just a solid clutch and consistent player), magixx, chopper, and zontixx (for the most part very inconsistent but can sometimes win scrappy fights and get info). Faze have rain (top player on faze), ropz (who was so good pros thought he was cheating), broky (eh decent aggressive player), and frozen (who ppl said was next star player arguably better than ropz), and karrigan (goat IGL). Now tell me whose favored and who won?
Why bring up team comp when it was literally 2v5 by magixx and donk with a combined rating of 3.2 and 240 adr on all 3 maps. You literally have 2 super sayain katowice donk lvl rifles and 3 tier 2 performance lvl players two of which occasionally gave calls and won some clutches. You can have best team comp in the whole world but if u can't resist getting donked in the middle or outlurked and magixxed from behind u won't win team spirit no matter what.
So good starting the video watching donk then switch to karrigan 😂
Why wouldn´t you pick an Aug if it insta-gives close range?, instead of a dink you get a headshot, makes the difference sometimes.
broky blundered
my god i almost forgot about you
karrigan is a GOAT IGL of the game .
but him and rain are too old to compete with prodigies like donk or monesy .
Based on what?
You're literally talking about the top 2 players
@@MusicJunkie37 based on their age , reaction time and reflexes ...
you know it is proven your reaction time deteriorates pretty rapidly after 25 years of age ... and these guys are already in their 30s ...
that is the main reason why the elite riflers and awpers are the first ones to go and they have the most rapid downfall in performance once they hit the wall ...
s1mple , kenny , scream , shox , apex , get_right , olof , coldzera ...
you name it ...
they either transition to support/IGL/coach roles or they quit ...
karrigan can only still play at this level because he is the great IGL , but he had like 0,77 rating at this major .
Broky maybe accidentally tapped A before he released the smoke? very unfortunate
Doesn't look like it
How did faze beat vitality? I missed the playoffs
Does donk aim low?
Where you been
real goat is olof
If not for rain lifegame against dead NaVi in Antwerp karrigan would be still Majorless
If not for magixx lifegame on the finals...
Broky would have 2 majors while NiKo still has 0
round 24 cs2'd
game helper? what kind of niche NA callout is that?
le goat
donk is the best rifler of all time
The best rifler in modern cs.
Stop with t his cringe "best of all time" when he's only been the best for one year so far. Way too early to call and massively insulting to Niko who's the only rifler to keep that consistency for as long as he has.
I was sad thinking this was a video about donk;
then I got glaad that I've seen it was about karrigan
Clicklbait = dont recommend this channel
Obviously? He's been almost unanimously considered the GOAT for half a decade
how many rounds did spirit throw?? that makes 0 sense faze was bad just facts the better team won.
You're pretty good at not listening
I seem to remember a round where they had a 4v2 advantage and they threw 😂
Faze is just bad when they got to a major grand finale through what’s statistically a top three hardest major runs…… but ok dog
not a lot of things make sense when you don't use your brain
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