why? You can still play deathwatch like shown in SM2. Not like they showed a badass cutscene showing off an entire 2,000pts deathwatch army made of Kill Teams that don't exist anymore fighting tyranids
We can now use other better detachments and add some of our killteams / watchmaster to them to get some actualy usable, and surprisingly flavourful army options. It's honestly an upgrade if you ask me. My spectrus kill team is useless though, so I too am a little bitter.
@@samtaylor5778 all of the things you guys just mentioned are better in other detachments, or in the case of the fortis team, they were awful from the start. \o/ Also, oops all dreads is based af and I love it!
I'm doing a Naval themed army. Sadly will probably have to take at least one DWKT, but mostly going to focus on breachers, Voidsmen-at-arms, and arbites.
This is an army that scream 'Use Legends Units' afterall it is NOT a tournament focused army just play the fun units. I know someone is going to take an agents list to a tournament for the memes, and win as noone has built a list against them .. but the point stands.
@@johnj.spurgin7037 you dont need to run a knight, 4 days ago i killed Angron with -1 damage with a single charge of DW kill team squad led by a watch master.
My local dealer offered me to get the Ordo Hereticus. Even though it would have been a good deal, I noticed that GW made the vehicle unavailable just to put it in that box. I declined, and my dealer approved.
I really hope they get a proper wave in 11th edition! It’d be cool to have a proper centerpiece model for instance. Or at least improve the Synergy with Sisters/GK/DW.
Use the legends darasheets, can even correct them a bit, so that they could still be relevant vs counterparts. To play, find those who aren't solely focused on looking into GW's mouth - no adequate player will blame you for playing an adequate army.
@ivanvolkov1820 The problem is trying to find non-competitive players. My community is lousey with win-at-all-costs players; you know, the kind that bring competitive lists to casual narrative campains? Those. And they love the gotchas. I would play opposite to what you suggest, but not a lot of these metaslaves. If they agree to it, it is likely because they know they will stomp you regardless of what you play.
I’m sorry bro, I got a few editions under my belt with them, built out over 6k points over the years. All the people that are saying “oh yeah you can just use legends” sure… now just imagine if your stuff never gets rules updates forever 🤨 that idea kinda sucks to think about doesn’t it?
@@lordkroak6670 also just imagine this, there are still DW combat patrol boxes in local game stores out there… but no DW army fits there model selection in them.
@NapoleonicWargaming the issue with compressing Grey Knights is that they DO have too many unique units. DW being part of IotA would be fine IF THE CODEX WASN'T a QUARTER-ASSED PoS.
Personally I love this codex. As a non-competitive player (only friendly games at home), who has ultramarines and necron armies, I’ve used this codex to build a small themed attachment to add to my ultramarine army. Inquisitor Draxus to lead them, with 6x inquisitorial agents, and the Chimera for transport, Watch Captain Artemis (kit-bashed from the captain from company heroes box), 6x Deathwatch Kill Team (converted from primaris intercessors box, both using parts from the deathwatch upgrade sprue and kill team box), the Corvus Blackstar, Vindicare Assassin, 10x Vigilant Arbites, and Rhino for transport. That’s 860 points using 3x characters, 3x Retinue plus dedicated transport as per the army rule. The Arbites are maybe not entirely in theme but love the minis and it’s my made-up world! I suppose whether or not you like the codex depends on how you use the hobby, it would certainly be difficult to build a complete army from it, but just as a bit of fun and a few themed extras to add to an already built imperial army, and an excuse to build minis that appeal personally, it’s great!
I am just playing Crusades up to 1500 max, but usually 500 points. Imperial Agents will be the perfect addition to our setting to join a war in Imperium Nihilus between loyalists and traitors with daemonic incursions as the Inquisition investigates the Dark Angels' legion building rumors... I couldn't care less about how efficient this codex is. If something needs balancing we do it ourselves and don't look at GW or the internet for their approval. This codex only needed more customization options like other editions had. All the complaints about 'how competitive' it is or 'lacking heavy hitters' are the reason this edition is so boring.
I start building an Inquisition army before the book was announced, and I wasn't far off. Terminators I got for it are now Legends, but that can go with my Legends Inquisitor in Terminator Armour, my Legends Jokaero and my Legends Daemonhost 😅
I am currently building towards: Inquisitor (55), Clandestine Operation [CO] (15) - 70 Inquisitoral Agents - 100 Chimera - 70 Rogue Trader Entourage (75), Combat Landers [CL] (10) - 85 (Infiltrate, unit self ability) (Deep Strike, CL unit choice 1) Navy Breachers - 90 Inquisitor - 55 (Infiltrate, CO unit choice 1) Navy Breachers - 90 Voidsmen-at-Arms - 50 (Deep Strike, CL unit choice 2) Voidsmen-at-Arms - 50 (Deep Strike, CL unit choice 3) Voidsmen-at-Arms - 50 Subductor Squad - 85 (Infiltrate, CO unit choice 2) Subductor Squad - 85 (Infiltrate, CO unit choice 3) Death Watch Vets - 200 Watch Master - 105 Rhino - 75 Corvus Blackstar - 180 Eversor Assassin - 110 Freeblade Armiger Warglavie - 150 Freeblade Armiger Warglavie - 150 Freeblade Armiger Warglavie - 150 2000 points. I'm sure if the Corvus Blackstar falls out of favour I will replace it with a second Assassin and a Navigator perhaps... One of my Warglavies is a Karamazov conversion!
If you are someone who plays mostly combat patrol, it’s actually not bad at all, now expanding this into an army is like playing an knights army with more small guys than usual, btw since knights are Allies when running this faction, you can’t bring more than 3
I made my inquisition agents out of adeptus sororitas units before the killteam box game out. 9th was really neat for being able to build whatever you wanted lol
Step 1. Buy genestealer cult Step 2. Enjoy the miss gw made to make agents possible with cultists and enjoy grey knights defending their 4armed masters
@@CaptJPurdie >choose genestealer cult, brood brothers detachment >get 1000 points worth of guard units for a 2000 point list >your army so far contains only units with the imperium keyword >agents of the imperium and imperial knights explicitly says you can soup in their units if every unit in your army has the imperium keyword, NOT if your army is an army of the imperium superfaction >i can do this as long as i have zero genestealer units >enjoy playing an army without using any of its domestic units. edit: you need a character like greyfax or a non-assassin to assign a warlord, the brood brothers rules says that you cannot make guard characters warlords, but that does not apply to agents characters
@@CaptJPurdie Take the Brood Brothers detachment to make 50% of your force Imperial Guard, which doesn't take the GSC tag from this, then you're allowed to take Imperial Agents and Knights since every unit in the list so far has the Imperium tag
Wouldn't be allowed anywhere other than a casual game with friends and at that point you may as well do any soup army you want. GW app doesn't allow it, not how its intended to be played and GW will probably just release a clarification in a few months. They're already relentlessly releasing rules updates this edition because people are trying to find exploits we don't need more of them.
The best way, is to just not. Have we not learned the pump n dump cycle yet? They’ll abandon imperial agents as soon as the next edition comes in. Then what?
They haven't already? The pamphlet hadn't even come out and they announced Blood Angels to distract everyone. Those knock-off Sanguinary Guard certainly got all the attention.
Honestly this never should have been a codex, it should have just remained a downloadable PDF with points values for allying agents into other forces. It lacks an army rule, the detachments are fine at best and at worst are just worse versions of other detachments that were lost to justify this book's existence (Ordo Xenos), it's riddled with stupid simple mistakes like stratagems that do literally nothing if you take them as written, and overall feels like a corporate push for people to buy yet another book they don't need. It's a love letter to GW "being a model company, not a game company". I know I plan to ignore this codex's existence and continue to play index deathwatch instead.
This feels more of a return to how the factions used to be. Very few of these were meant to be standalone armies. They were there for specific missions and to add flavor to more complete forces
It makes sense though Ordo Xenos is for fighting Xenos factions duh Order Malleus is for fighting Chaos factions And Ordo Hereticus is for Imperium v Imperium conflicts
Without watching the video I'm going to assume the following: - buy the Combat Patrol - did you know there were battleforces? - element games channel link - Hey, sometimes people talk about these things online in Facebook groups and Reddit - And I hope to see you guys next time
This is such a sweet army. The best part is I can ally imperial knights. This is the blue deck army, checking tournament rosters and keeping track of enemies info will be your best friends. Like with fighting games, if you always pick counter characters, you're gonna lose friends haha
I know I'll never win but I've got my 1500 agents army for a crusade I'm on at the moment and I'm loving it. They're so weird and tricky, plus their crusade rules are really fun
I like the style of the models and whatanaot, but you shouldn't even think to play this army in a competitive way. If you wanna waste money, just spend them for the admittedly cool looking models
As someone who has been using Guard to run a Rogue Trader retinue, I was hopeful that this could be useful, but the RT and the Breachers are so expensive to ally in its hard to justify using any of these sheets
I bought the boarding action box with the starstridera and Breachers because the models are beautiful, and have struggled to get them on the table ever since.
For years now, all I've been wanting an Ordo Malleus army. Maybe 11th edition will finally allow me to do that. In the unlikely event that I get more hobby money than I know what to do with, I might do a joint Inquisitor/Rogue Trader army with some Sisters on the side, since Inquisition doesn't have nearly enough units to fill up 2000 points. If I run it as an Imperialis Fleet detachment, it'll even have better Inquisition rules than the actual Inquisition detachments.
I understand people’s apprehension about IA as a faction but being someone who loves the lore of the Inquisition, Voidfarers, and Arbites, I’m very excited about it. I’m just focusing on making boarding patrols for boarding actions since there isn’t enough armor to make a full blown IA army. I think they could have easily solved this problem by allowing you to take more Astra Militarum units as auxiliary fighters. I think this was a major and kinda lazy oversight. I figure worse case scenario I can send my Agents to help my AM/Guard army. Otherwise, I’m playing mostly narrative games with my friends so I’m not too worried about the competitive aspect of the army.
all the people complaining about this being bad...stop thinking of everything being for tournaments. There are other ways to play, like Crusade, which this is kind of obviously meant for. And it's *good* for Crusade; if you're playing an Imperial faction, you can slip some of these guys in to add to the narrative of it and have a blast. And yeah, it sucks there isn't a generic inquisitor model and that Deathwatch got kind of shafted, but they're still in Legends so you can still play them *in Crusade*. Who knows, maybe in 11th they'll get properly put into the codex, and at the same time we'll get our properly generic inquisitor and some other models that need reworked, like Death Cult Assassins, Crusaders, Daemonhosts, and Jokaero.
Arbites Army with the Heretics Detachment: HQ * 3x Inquistors (1x Warlord) * Ministorum Priest * Eversor Assassin BATTLELINE * 3x Vigilant Arbite Squads in Rhinos NON-BATTLELINE * 3x Exaction Squads in Rhinos * 10-man Sister Squad (Home Objective Unit w/Priest) * 2x to 3x Voidsman Squads (Deep Strike shenanigans) ALLIES * 3x Armiger Warglaives Not amazing but gives you a solid Mechanized List with some DS options and the Evesor just wrecks things in CC.
I honestly feel like this is the first army where I’ll be rolling with Legends. They’ll never be viable for tournament play as their own army, but instead as a way to add flavor to other Imperial armies.
I'm hoping they do an eratta or something similar to add in a desthwatch Predator/ Gladiator, a SoB castigator or exorcist, a Grey knight land raider, and a standard Leman Russ. Even if the first three are detachment locked it would give them some type of tank support and anti-tank firepower other than melta weapons.
Took me a minute to wrap my head around this, as someone who used to play a long time ago that was thinking of getting back into it. So Sisters, Grey Knights, and Deathwatch are all still a thing, but the appeal of this is that you can take a little of each?
its literally just a scam by GW to make you buy things your not going to use or to force you to buy a full codex just so you can run your 1 assassin ally anyone with sense isnt going to touch this
@@cylondorado4582 things like the sisters squads are still part of their own army, they are only on this "codex" to pad it really What this "codex" is is a $50 price tag on running competative assassins
let me be as direct as I can be. I am happy the Imperial agents bring back the old school inquisition list, this looks like a tool for flufflists. I am only sad they sqaushed deathwatch for it. But I am happy it exists and i am happy it is not top tier tournament viable because that means that most players will play it because they like it instead of beacuse its good-
After how much fan fare DW got in space marine 2 and the cosmetics in the game, you’d think GW would be all in on further supporting DW as an army then.
i’m building mine out though a sizeable old collection, cannibalising old vehicular to give everything transports (essential given how fragile everything is). i’m going to convert the hexbanes hunters box into more acolytes and look for some older assassin sculpts
Really love the army. Im well along building a 'Renegade' Agents force. It represents a mercenary force of renegade astartes ("Deathwatch") and the fighting company of their ship. The Fleet detachment is a genually good detachment. Every rule, enhancment and strat is decent to very good. It only falls short due to no effective army rule (come on GW that was lame) and limited range of unit types. If you could get some serious fire support in the codex it would really bump up the power level. Alas I see the detachment as scoring well but dying fast!
For all the negativity here there's some positivity at my club where most are not focused on competitive play. I am primarily using agents in combat patrol, boarding actions and smaller point games where their flaws are not so conspicuous. I'm considering getting the heresy solar auxilia lasrifle box to use as voidsmen in boarding actions. Its a cheap way to bulk purchase the force since you can take six units in that format, and the models fit the theme very well
i do wonder why they put the primaris DW units into legends and kept the veterans only. i guess at some point they need to be upgraded to primaris as well therefor i expect a new kit for DW further down the road... in 10-20years probably
I get that the idea is supposed to be all the things that don't fit in the main Imperial armys were rolled into this, but why didn't they just bite the bullet and put Knights into this
I dunno; I kind of hated it at first, but having gotten away from Matched play and have just been enjoying a more casual playstyle, I dont think Agents is *as* bad as I thought.
I love the book i love it all im gonna only play agents and be number one ive been deathwatch since they came out im happy with whats happened i think its an excellent package and the fleet detachment is amazing for deathwatch. I really dont understand the issues
@@MrChiefchili yeah I've got a large force of primeris deathwatch and many many converted first born at least 4000pts can't tell you how many deathwatch upgrade sprues I've bought over the last few years but that's just the way it is, I love the book have no problem with the nerf it sucks but for me this is how I wanna play my deathwatch always wanted the mix. I remember back when they came out with the harlequins they changed them every edition they have never been the same edition by edition this is them now RIP pure deathwatch which isn't lore anyway and bring on agents. Just my opinion i get some people will be mad but what can we do accept adapt. This is now my book and I'm gonna embrace it wholly as my number one faction. Meta breaking incoming 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I bought the ordo hereticus army box and had a quick read of the codex and before watching the video I find besides the odd multi melta they lack anti tank. It's a shame as I love the idea of random imperial units thrown together to serve an inquisitor If I do ever build them I'll probably just ally them up with my dark angels
I'd be happy to, but there's no Deathwatch in HH. And most HH players get narky if you don't have the correct pattern of boltgun on Tactical Marine No. 6, Squad 7. They'd flip tables if I turned up with an army MkVIII Marines.
The need to let you have units of 10 Voidsmen at arms. and make them Battle line and voidsmen. that way you have a nice base trooper. Dont know why they made them in units of 5 and not battle line..can only have 15? Kinda dumb.
There box is also going way in a year because of kill teams new rotation. So it's entirely possible you won't actually be able to buy them by the end of the edition outside of ebay.
@@eugenewu1614 Sure, but the Galaxy has many Rogue Traders and all of there Voids men are different looking. You could use Tempestus Scions for instance, or almost any other guard model. I dont know. I think it would be easy to make a force.
From $37K to $65K that's the minimum range of profit return every month I think it's not a bad one for me, now I have enough to pay bills and take care of my family.
YES!!! That's exactly her name (Lucille Friedman) so many people have recommended highly about her and am just starting with her 😊from Brisbane Australia 🇦🇺
Do not. Please make gw understand that an army with potential must have new models and interesting rules and not just be a pile of old stuff tied together with no army rule by voting with your wallet
When you see four out of five of your unique units get shunted into Legends, it's difficult to be enthusiastic about the Codex that is to blame. I will never forget, nor forgive, what they did to my beloved Deathwatch. And the fact that some people will argue "tHeY sHoUlD nEvEr HaVe BeEn An ArMy!" forget the fact that there WERE for ten years. Ten years in which many people poured a lot of time, effort, soul and money into creating. All to be shat on from on-high and we're expected to be grateful for it? With THAT awful Coteaz model to make up for it? Pfft. Tripe. Utter tripe. Just to be clear: the concept of Imperial Agents as Allies I'm all for. Sure, lets have SoB units Allied in, Grey Knights, Deathwatch, Assassins, Breacher teams etc etc. All good and fluffy. But this is IT for Deathwatch. And it's quite simply not good enough.
We demand that Auspex take down this video. No-one should be permitted to give this hated codex any legitimacy. We do not recognise this Codex and we never will!
@@Mr_Bunk I don't. This is his job. I'm not going to get in the way of someone just trying to make a living. But I sure as hell won't be entertaining this shit-show of a "codex".
@@The_Blackshield It's not his job to be GW's lapdog. Any recognition is tantamount to insult and desecration of the Deathwatch as a faction. If you refuse to entertain this codex, as we all do, you must not allow anyone else to entertain it either.
Who can we write to asking to bring back Deathwatch with the Black Spear detachment and maybe some more? IA is just a failure. It would have been absolutely ok to have DW Vets and the other three units in IA, but keeping the Deathwatch like they do with the Grey Knights. A soup-faction like IA would have been great to ally into a Deathwatch army. That would have been so much better and would definitely sell better. I would have bought the IA codex and some minis to accompany my DW army. This is just so insanely annoying.
My chaos gods, this codex just feels so lazy. For a codex that should full of life and lore, it feels barren and half-assed. It’s a copy-pasta codex. Everyone talks about how “units need to go so Gw can balance more easily” - this codex comes with no anti-heavy. 🎉 I’m glad GW finally realised that changing points values based on allies is a good System
Shame on you for making and posting this video, Auspex. Shame on you for suggesting that this bastardised codex is in any way legitimate, recognised or deserving of respect. We demand you pay respects to the Deathwatch, and take this video down.
They did this "codex" to gather up all of the disparate kits from other (limited) releases, all to produce some old models for people to paint that they may have missed in the past. A quick cash grab based on nostalgia spending.
Would be weird if after this they released a game that had a badass cutscene showing off deathwatch fighting tyranids
That wasn’t just a cut scene. I thought this during the whole opening sequence. lol.
Not weird. Where the deathwatch army in SM 2?
Kill team and Corvus in Astra militarum army, that's it.
why? You can still play deathwatch like shown in SM2. Not like they showed a badass cutscene showing off an entire 2,000pts deathwatch army made of Kill Teams that don't exist anymore fighting tyranids
To be completely honest it was exactly like a box of Deathwatch veterans in a Corvus.
My poor deathwatch. What did they do to you son?
We can now use other better detachments and add some of our killteams / watchmaster to them to get some actualy usable, and surprisingly flavourful army options. It's honestly an upgrade if you ask me.
My spectrus kill team is useless though, so I too am a little bitter.
My fortis, spectrus and more are all useless. I can maybe convert my fortis but I can't use any of my gravis or my terminators or my bikes!
I have about 3.5k points including 7 dreads all painted up 😅
We demand Auspex take this video down! That bastardised codex doesn’t deserve the legitimacy GW want us to give it!
@@samtaylor5778 all of the things you guys just mentioned are better in other detachments, or in the case of the fortis team, they were awful from the start. \o/
Also, oops all dreads is based af and I love it!
I'm doing a Naval themed army. Sadly will probably have to take at least one DWKT, but mostly going to focus on breachers, Voidsmen-at-arms, and arbites.
This is an army that scream 'Use Legends Units' afterall it is NOT a tournament focused army just play the fun units.
I know someone is going to take an agents list to a tournament for the memes, and win as noone has built a list against them .. but the point stands.
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I desagree with that, this army is really strong.
TBF you can run Knight Allies as the heavy support of such an army.
@@johnj.spurgin7037 you dont need to run a knight, 4 days ago i killed Angron with -1 damage with a single charge of DW kill team squad led by a watch master.
My local dealer offered me to get the Ordo Hereticus.
Even though it would have been a good deal, I noticed that GW made the vehicle unavailable just to put it in that box. I declined, and my dealer approved.
And everyone was clapping
I really hope they get a proper wave in 11th edition! It’d be cool to have a proper centerpiece model for instance. Or at least improve the Synergy with Sisters/GK/DW.
Or an army rule, that would be a nice thing.
I just wanted to play Deathwatch. Now I’ll never be able to. Built the army only to find out it’s gone
Use the legends darasheets, can even correct them a bit, so that they could still be relevant vs counterparts. To play, find those who aren't solely focused on looking into GW's mouth - no adequate player will blame you for playing an adequate army.
@ivanvolkov1820 The problem is trying to find non-competitive players. My community is lousey with win-at-all-costs players; you know, the kind that bring competitive lists to casual narrative campains? Those. And they love the gotchas.
I would play opposite to what you suggest, but not a lot of these metaslaves. If they agree to it, it is likely because they know they will stomp you regardless of what you play.
I’m sorry bro, I got a few editions under my belt with them, built out over 6k points over the years. All the people that are saying “oh yeah you can just use legends” sure… now just imagine if your stuff never gets rules updates forever 🤨 that idea kinda sucks to think about doesn’t it?
@ivanvolkov1820 it's more that comp psychology and meta dominates on the net and could do the same in the local meta, which thus punishes this.
@@lordkroak6670 also just imagine this, there are still DW combat patrol boxes in local game stores out there… but no DW army fits there model selection in them.
I kinda wish they just expanded Death Watch instead of making this haphazard mess.
Right? Hell just add this on top of this existing deathwatch units.
I mean, if you DO run Legends you can actually fill out an army. You can't even do that with Malleus.
Hated they were ever their own army. See also Grey Knights.
@NapoleonicWargaming the issue with compressing Grey Knights is that they DO have too many unique units. DW being part of IotA would be fine IF THE CODEX WASN'T a QUARTER-ASSED PoS.
Personally I love this codex. As a non-competitive player (only friendly games at home), who has ultramarines and necron armies, I’ve used this codex to build a small themed attachment to add to my ultramarine army. Inquisitor Draxus to lead them, with 6x inquisitorial agents, and the Chimera for transport, Watch Captain Artemis (kit-bashed from the captain from company heroes box), 6x Deathwatch Kill Team (converted from primaris intercessors box, both using parts from the deathwatch upgrade sprue and kill team box), the Corvus Blackstar, Vindicare Assassin, 10x Vigilant Arbites, and Rhino for transport. That’s 860 points using 3x characters, 3x Retinue plus dedicated transport as per the army rule.
The Arbites are maybe not entirely in theme but love the minis and it’s my made-up world!
I suppose whether or not you like the codex depends on how you use the hobby, it would certainly be difficult to build a complete army from it, but just as a bit of fun and a few themed extras to add to an already built imperial army, and an excuse to build minis that appeal personally, it’s great!
I am just playing Crusades up to 1500 max, but usually 500 points. Imperial Agents will be the perfect addition to our setting to join a war in Imperium Nihilus between loyalists and traitors with daemonic incursions as the Inquisition investigates the Dark Angels' legion building rumors... I couldn't care less about how efficient this codex is. If something needs balancing we do it ourselves and don't look at GW or the internet for their approval. This codex only needed more customization options like other editions had. All the complaints about 'how competitive' it is or 'lacking heavy hitters' are the reason this edition is so boring.
I start building an Inquisition army before the book was announced, and I wasn't far off.
Terminators I got for it are now Legends, but that can go with my Legends Inquisitor in Terminator Armour, my Legends Jokaero and my Legends Daemonhost 😅
I think Legends should be abolished.
I am currently building towards:
Inquisitor (55), Clandestine Operation [CO] (15) - 70
Inquisitoral Agents - 100
Chimera - 70
Rogue Trader Entourage (75), Combat Landers [CL] (10) - 85 (Infiltrate, unit self ability) (Deep Strike, CL unit choice 1)
Navy Breachers - 90
Inquisitor - 55 (Infiltrate, CO unit choice 1)
Navy Breachers - 90
Voidsmen-at-Arms - 50 (Deep Strike, CL unit choice 2)
Voidsmen-at-Arms - 50 (Deep Strike, CL unit choice 3)
Voidsmen-at-Arms - 50
Subductor Squad - 85 (Infiltrate, CO unit choice 2)
Subductor Squad - 85 (Infiltrate, CO unit choice 3)
Death Watch Vets - 200
Watch Master - 105
Rhino - 75
Corvus Blackstar - 180
Eversor Assassin - 110
Freeblade Armiger Warglavie - 150
Freeblade Armiger Warglavie - 150
Freeblade Armiger Warglavie - 150
2000 points.
I'm sure if the Corvus Blackstar falls out of favour I will replace it with a second Assassin and a Navigator perhaps... One of my Warglavies is a Karamazov conversion!
The best way to get some anti armor is bring Rex, there your done. If you dont want him, bring some Armagers. Done again. The rest is up to you.
If you are someone who plays mostly combat patrol, it’s actually not bad at all, now expanding this into an army is like playing an knights army with more small guys than usual, btw since knights are Allies when running this faction, you can’t bring more than 3
How to start an Imperium Agent army:
1. Don't even think of it
Beat me to it 😂
That
I’m not sure they really plan on keeping it an army. It feels a cash grab.
Necromunda miniatures make for great Inquisition Agents with a bit of work, while their Palanites make for suitable alternatives for the Arbites.
I made my inquisition agents out of adeptus sororitas units before the killteam box game out. 9th was really neat for being able to build whatever you wanted lol
Step 1. Buy genestealer cult
Step 2. Enjoy the miss gw made to make agents possible with cultists and enjoy grey knights defending their 4armed masters
That's not a thing.
@@CaptJPurdie >choose genestealer cult, brood brothers detachment
>get 1000 points worth of guard units for a 2000 point list
>your army so far contains only units with the imperium keyword
>agents of the imperium and imperial knights explicitly says you can soup in their units if every unit in your army has the imperium keyword, NOT if your army is an army of the imperium superfaction
>i can do this as long as i have zero genestealer units
>enjoy playing an army without using any of its domestic units.
edit: you need a character like greyfax or a non-assassin to assign a warlord, the brood brothers rules says that you cannot make guard characters warlords, but that does not apply to agents characters
@@CaptJPurdie Take the Brood Brothers detachment to make 50% of your force Imperial Guard, which doesn't take the GSC tag from this, then you're allowed to take Imperial Agents and Knights since every unit in the list so far has the Imperium tag
Let me rephrase... That's fucking stupid.
Wouldn't be allowed anywhere other than a casual game with friends and at that point you may as well do any soup army you want. GW app doesn't allow it, not how its intended to be played and GW will probably just release a clarification in a few months. They're already relentlessly releasing rules updates this edition because people are trying to find exploits we don't need more of them.
The best way, is to just not.
Have we not learned the pump n dump cycle yet? They’ll abandon imperial agents as soon as the next edition comes in. Then what?
They haven't already? The pamphlet hadn't even come out and they announced Blood Angels to distract everyone. Those knock-off Sanguinary Guard certainly got all the attention.
Honestly this never should have been a codex, it should have just remained a downloadable PDF with points values for allying agents into other forces.
It lacks an army rule, the detachments are fine at best and at worst are just worse versions of other detachments that were lost to justify this book's existence (Ordo Xenos), it's riddled with stupid simple mistakes like stratagems that do literally nothing if you take them as written, and overall feels like a corporate push for people to buy yet another book they don't need. It's a love letter to GW "being a model company, not a game company". I know I plan to ignore this codex's existence and continue to play index deathwatch instead.
This feels more of a return to how the factions used to be. Very few of these were meant to be standalone armies. They were there for specific missions and to add flavor to more complete forces
first ever army with negative player count
There was 2 before the codex dropped. Now, maybe 10
Aren't the Ordo Hereticus kinda a useless bunch? If shit hits the fan they have to call the Ordo Malleus anyway. :)
It makes sense though
Ordo Xenos is for fighting Xenos factions duh
Order Malleus is for fighting Chaos factions
And Ordo Hereticus is for Imperium v Imperium conflicts
I expected a list with subductors 😢
Without watching the video I'm going to assume the following:
- buy the Combat Patrol
- did you know there were battleforces?
- element games channel link
- Hey, sometimes people talk about these things online in Facebook groups and Reddit
- And I hope to see you guys next time
3D printer/proxies go brrr. The first army that is never bought "legally!"
Goddamn, this feels so badly cobbled together. No army there. Damn you GW.
This is such a sweet army. The best part is I can ally imperial knights. This is the blue deck army, checking tournament rosters and keeping track of enemies info will be your best friends. Like with fighting games, if you always pick counter characters, you're gonna lose friends haha
My Imperialis Fleet detachment is having a ton of fun right now in crusade and casual. And that is totally fine with me!
Step one: throw in several Imperial Knights
Step 2: spend the remaining points on an assassin.
I know I'll never win but I've got my 1500 agents army for a crusade I'm on at the moment and I'm loving it. They're so weird and tricky, plus their crusade rules are really fun
Thanks for the video. I will use them in one way..to play them in boarding patrol. A lot of cool themes you can do there
I like the style of the models and whatanaot, but you shouldn't even think to play this army in a competitive way.
If you wanna waste money, just spend them for the admittedly cool looking models
As someone who has been using Guard to run a Rogue Trader retinue, I was hopeful that this could be useful, but the RT and the Breachers are so expensive to ally in its hard to justify using any of these sheets
I bought the boarding action box with the starstridera and Breachers because the models are beautiful, and have struggled to get them on the table ever since.
For years now, all I've been wanting an Ordo Malleus army. Maybe 11th edition will finally allow me to do that.
In the unlikely event that I get more hobby money than I know what to do with, I might do a joint Inquisitor/Rogue Trader army with some Sisters on the side, since Inquisition doesn't have nearly enough units to fill up 2000 points. If I run it as an Imperialis Fleet detachment, it'll even have better Inquisition rules than the actual Inquisition detachments.
I understand people’s apprehension about IA as a faction but being someone who loves the lore of the Inquisition, Voidfarers, and Arbites, I’m very excited about it. I’m just focusing on making boarding patrols for boarding actions since there isn’t enough armor to make a full blown IA army. I think they could have easily solved this problem by allowing you to take more Astra Militarum units as auxiliary fighters. I think this was a major and kinda lazy oversight. I figure worse case scenario I can send my Agents to help my AM/Guard army. Otherwise, I’m playing mostly narrative games with my friends so I’m not too worried about the competitive aspect of the army.
How to start an Imperial Agents Army:
Step 1) Sell kidney to pay for models. Pro-tip = It doesn't have to be yours.
all the people complaining about this being bad...stop thinking of everything being for tournaments. There are other ways to play, like Crusade, which this is kind of obviously meant for. And it's *good* for Crusade; if you're playing an Imperial faction, you can slip some of these guys in to add to the narrative of it and have a blast.
And yeah, it sucks there isn't a generic inquisitor model and that Deathwatch got kind of shafted, but they're still in Legends so you can still play them *in Crusade*. Who knows, maybe in 11th they'll get properly put into the codex, and at the same time we'll get our properly generic inquisitor and some other models that need reworked, like Death Cult Assassins, Crusaders, Daemonhosts, and Jokaero.
@@wombatman5164 Sure, but why pay $60USD for a subpar product?
Legends should be abolished. Anything in legends is automatically dead to GW.
Arbites Army with the Heretics Detachment:
HQ
* 3x Inquistors (1x Warlord)
* Ministorum Priest
* Eversor Assassin
BATTLELINE
* 3x Vigilant Arbite Squads in Rhinos
NON-BATTLELINE
* 3x Exaction Squads in Rhinos
* 10-man Sister Squad (Home Objective Unit w/Priest)
* 2x to 3x Voidsman Squads (Deep Strike shenanigans)
ALLIES
* 3x Armiger Warglaives
Not amazing but gives you a solid Mechanized List with some DS options and the Evesor just wrecks things in CC.
A lot of people were hoping Deathwatch would get squatted and their Witchunters and Daemonhunters Codices would return. This is the result.
Easiest answer is, 'don't.'
I honestly feel like this is the first army where I’ll be rolling with Legends. They’ll never be viable for tournament play as their own army, but instead as a way to add flavor to other Imperial armies.
I find it so ironic that DW got axed just before they had an advertisement for the faction in SM2 😂
They'd be fun for crusade or boarding actions but that's about it. Should have just added the inquisition stuff on top of deathwatch.
I'm hoping they do an eratta or something similar to add in a desthwatch Predator/ Gladiator, a SoB castigator or exorcist, a Grey knight land raider, and a standard Leman Russ. Even if the first three are detachment locked it would give them some type of tank support and anti-tank firepower other than melta weapons.
Took me a minute to wrap my head around this, as someone who used to play a long time ago that was thinking of getting back into it. So Sisters, Grey Knights, and Deathwatch are all still a thing, but the appeal of this is that you can take a little of each?
its literally just a scam by GW to make you buy things your not going to use
or to force you to buy a full codex just so you can run your 1 assassin ally
anyone with sense isnt going to touch this
@@gregsmw Yeah, that does sound pretty lame. I figure a lot of these aught to just be part of any of those armies.
@@cylondorado4582 things like the sisters squads are still part of their own army, they are only on this "codex" to pad it really
What this "codex" is is a $50 price tag on running competative assassins
About Deathwatch still being a thing...
let me be as direct as I can be. I am happy the Imperial agents bring back the old school inquisition list, this looks like a tool for flufflists. I am only sad they sqaushed deathwatch for it. But I am happy it exists and i am happy it is not top tier tournament viable because that means that most players will play it because they like it instead of beacuse its good-
After how much fan fare DW got in space marine 2 and the cosmetics in the game, you’d think GW would be all in on further supporting DW as an army then.
Building one for the celtic cup but I already had 50% of the units from my other armies
i’m building mine out though a sizeable old collection, cannibalising old vehicular to give everything transports (essential given how fragile everything is). i’m going to convert the hexbanes hunters box into more acolytes and look for some older assassin sculpts
Oooh! This was helpful! Thank you!
Don’t even think about starting an ‘Agents’ army. Don’t justify this hateful codex.
@Mr_Bunk Oh, I know, but this video helped me answer some questions I had.
@@SgtHouse Good. No-one should be permitted to support the release of this codex. Keep fighting the good fight, man.
Deathwatch got robbed! Screw GW!
Really love the army. Im well along building a 'Renegade' Agents force. It represents a mercenary force of renegade astartes ("Deathwatch") and the fighting company of their ship. The Fleet detachment is a genually good detachment. Every rule, enhancment and strat is decent to very good. It only falls short due to no effective army rule (come on GW that was lame) and limited range of unit types. If you could get some serious fire support in the codex it would really bump up the power level. Alas I see the detachment as scoring well but dying fast!
Some lunatic tried this army at a major this past weekend. It didn’t go too well lol
For all the negativity here there's some positivity at my club where most are not focused on competitive play.
I am primarily using agents in combat patrol, boarding actions and smaller point games where their flaws are not so conspicuous. I'm considering getting the heresy solar auxilia lasrifle box to use as voidsmen in boarding actions. Its a cheap way to bulk purchase the force since you can take six units in that format, and the models fit the theme very well
Even if they killed mt deathwatch on the tabletop atleast i play as deathwatch in SM2
I like the ordo xenos box, but expanding the force with more veteran deathwach models is very very expensive. as the come in a box of five not ten
I'd like just for once to see an Agents video whose comments weren't hijacked by Deathwatch bitterness.
GW should rule to allow incluing deatwatch characters at base cost in a deatwatch "chapter" space marine force
the killteam army
i do wonder why they put the primaris DW units into legends and kept the veterans only. i guess at some point they need to be upgraded to primaris as well therefor i expect a new kit for DW further down the road... in 10-20years probably
I kinda wanna get an agents army, but i know it will likely get heavily reworked / legended next edition or something
I get that the idea is supposed to be all the things that don't fit in the main Imperial armys were rolled into this, but why didn't they just bite the bullet and put Knights into this
I dunno; I kind of hated it at first, but having gotten away from Matched play and have just been enjoying a more casual playstyle, I dont think Agents is *as* bad as I thought.
I love the book i love it all im gonna only play agents and be number one ive been deathwatch since they came out im happy with whats happened i think its an excellent package and the fleet detachment is amazing for deathwatch. I really dont understand the issues
How big was your Deathwatch army?
@@MrChiefchili yeah I've got a large force of primeris deathwatch and many many converted first born at least 4000pts can't tell you how many deathwatch upgrade sprues I've bought over the last few years but that's just the way it is, I love the book have no problem with the nerf it sucks but for me this is how I wanna play my deathwatch always wanted the mix. I remember back when they came out with the harlequins they changed them every edition they have never been the same edition by edition this is them now RIP pure deathwatch which isn't lore anyway and bring on agents. Just my opinion i get some people will be mad but what can we do accept adapt. This is now my book and I'm gonna embrace it wholly as my number one faction. Meta breaking incoming 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I bought the ordo hereticus army box and had a quick read of the codex and before watching the video I find besides the odd multi melta they lack anti tank. It's a shame as I love the idea of random imperial units thrown together to serve an inquisitor
If I do ever build them I'll probably just ally them up with my dark angels
It's not a matter of "how", but of "why", or rather, "why not".
why not? cos its a pile of trash deliberatly designed to just con you out of your money and you shouldnt reward GW for this blatant bull
they just not an army for me, the inquisition would be great in necromunda or killteam but not as an army
Step 1:
Play Horus heresy, old world or Necromunda instead.
I'd be happy to, but there's no Deathwatch in HH. And most HH players get narky if you don't have the correct pattern of boltgun on Tactical Marine No. 6, Squad 7. They'd flip tables if I turned up with an army MkVIII Marines.
Please tell me they have rules for Eisenhorn
They got rid of him
In legends with deamonhost.
@@kevinr8207 His rules look awesome, boosting up the deamonhosts too.
The need to let you have units of 10 Voidsmen at arms. and make them Battle line and voidsmen. that way you have a nice base trooper. Dont know why they made them in units of 5 and not battle line..can only have 15? Kinda dumb.
It's because the models are monopose and only come in a group of 5 out of the Elucidian Starstriders box
There box is also going way in a year because of kill teams new rotation. So it's entirely possible you won't actually be able to buy them by the end of the edition outside of ebay.
@@eugenewu1614 Sure, but the Galaxy has many Rogue Traders and all of there Voids men are different looking. You could use Tempestus Scions for instance, or almost any other guard model. I dont know. I think it would be easy to make a force.
@@dakotawharton see reply below.
@@dakotawharton they are still being packaged together. Saw the new repackage at my local GW store. No Kill Team branding on it
if they make a badass model of the emperors decaying corpse on a hovering battle psyker throne you will all change your tunes
Thats the neat part, you don't!
Step 1: buy an Imperial Knight or 3 armigers
Step 2: start an imperial agents army
Here is the neat Part, you dont (start an half baked army that wont have a dex next Edition)
Im hearing a lot of talk about how Deathwatch armies can still be run, but i dont see how.
Can anyone explain it to me?
your recommending battlescribe but its not supporting 10th edition anymore or is there something I don't know???
This army takes forever to resolve attacks. Way to many individual weapons.
From $37K to $65K that's the minimum range of profit return every month I think it's not a bad one for me, now I have enough to pay bills and take care of my family.
How please
She is Expert Lucille Friedman
YES!!! That's exactly her name (Lucille Friedman) so many people have recommended highly about her and am just starting with her 😊from Brisbane Australia 🇦🇺
Spot-on, I would always rate her signals as one of the best ever used 100% accurate.
Her name rings a bell; I've encountered it multiple times, usually associated with stories of her trading achievements. She deserves a lot of credit.
I'm predicting a win rate of 30%
No army rule Detachments buff models not units leaves so much out assassin's get no benefits
Do not. Please make gw understand that an army with potential must have new models and interesting rules and not just be a pile of old stuff tied together with no army rule by voting with your wallet
We demand Auspex take down this video, that hateful codex does not deserve any recognition from us.
When you see four out of five of your unique units get shunted into Legends, it's difficult to be enthusiastic about the Codex that is to blame. I will never forget, nor forgive, what they did to my beloved Deathwatch. And the fact that some people will argue "tHeY sHoUlD nEvEr HaVe BeEn An ArMy!" forget the fact that there WERE for ten years. Ten years in which many people poured a lot of time, effort, soul and money into creating. All to be shat on from on-high and we're expected to be grateful for it? With THAT awful Coteaz model to make up for it? Pfft. Tripe. Utter tripe.
Just to be clear: the concept of Imperial Agents as Allies I'm all for. Sure, lets have SoB units Allied in, Grey Knights, Deathwatch, Assassins, Breacher teams etc etc. All good and fluffy. But this is IT for Deathwatch. And it's quite simply not good enough.
We demand that Auspex take down this video. No-one should be permitted to give this hated codex any legitimacy. We do not recognise this Codex and we never will!
@@Mr_Bunk I don't. This is his job. I'm not going to get in the way of someone just trying to make a living. But I sure as hell won't be entertaining this shit-show of a "codex".
@@The_Blackshield It's not his job to be GW's lapdog. Any recognition is tantamount to insult and desecration of the Deathwatch as a faction. If you refuse to entertain this codex, as we all do, you must not allow anyone else to entertain it either.
@@The_Blackshield yes, deathwatch as army is an option. This chapter is always super anti xenos units for other imperial factions.
A
Step 1. Collect Deathwatch
Step 2. Get absolutely hornswoggled
Step 3. Sell Deathwatch, boycott GW
Though, likely they will bring them back as a whole codex in 11th edition just to piss off everyone who sold their armies.
@@isamartell either way, everybody loses
I thought these were necromunda models.
Mr auspex sir not sure if it's just me or is either your mike off or are you recording in a very empty room.
With such negative view maybe they will get an Admech style update
Who can we write to asking to bring back Deathwatch with the Black Spear detachment and maybe some more? IA is just a failure. It would have been absolutely ok to have DW Vets and the other three units in IA, but keeping the Deathwatch like they do with the Grey Knights. A soup-faction like IA would have been great to ally into a Deathwatch army. That would have been so much better and would definitely sell better. I would have bought the IA codex and some minis to accompany my DW army. This is just so insanely annoying.
My chaos gods, this codex just feels so lazy. For a codex that should full of life and lore, it feels barren and half-assed.
It’s a copy-pasta codex. Everyone talks about how “units need to go so Gw can balance more easily” - this codex comes with no anti-heavy. 🎉
I’m glad GW finally realised that changing points values based on allies is a good System
Why are you in a church hall this time
Don't start an imperial agents army, is how you start a IA army! James GeeDubz is just gonna F u over with a model/ rules cut in the future.
Add a comment...😢
Shit happens.
To start an imperial agents army step one seel your old death watch no one wants cuz they aren't usable
Step 1, don't
Shame on you for making and posting this video, Auspex. Shame on you for suggesting that this bastardised codex is in any way legitimate, recognised or deserving of respect. We demand you pay respects to the Deathwatch, and take this video down.
Deathwatch players are very toxic...
Really a pity.
You’re toxic.
Please don't do advertisement for this crappy codex
Agreed. Auspex is going to get a copyright strike from some friends of mine if he doesn’t take it down. Keep up the pressure!
how to start an imperial agents army
dont......what are you doing...stop it, get some help
They did this "codex" to gather up all of the disparate kits from other (limited) releases, all to produce some old models for people to paint that they may have missed in the past. A quick cash grab based on nostalgia spending.