Germino and other native Americans should never be judged by modern standards. They were fighting for survival in a hopeless cause. They killed who they had to kill trying to survive. A sad and tragic period of American history.
This was just incredibly interesting, I love Geronimo and he truly was more deserving of the term “genius” than some who are called that today. AND he loved cats?! Unbelievable! A real man, and warrior of warriors. I wish you would also do one on another Apache, Massai, he wasn’t as well known as Geronimo but that man was a ghost and could be almost invisible. I certainly wish I could have met both-though, preferably not as either one’s enemy.
Your Magazine is AMAZING! I really enjoy listening to your stories. The RESPECT you show all characters involved, it's something special. Keep up the great work....Also... when I was a kid I (my family) had a cat named Geronimo, but I had no idea Geronimo himself was found of cats. We named him Geronimo because he was a fearless little kitten - and such a great cat when he grew older. My father told me all those stories about the Sioux, the Apaches, the Comanches, about Sitting Bull, Geronimo, and of course Billy the Kid, Jesse James and on and on...and I am sure that if he (my father) was still alive he would have LOVED your channel. He always pointed out that a lot of the stories were probably not strictly The Truth, and to listen to you telling the truth - would have resonated with him. Again, the respect you show, it's a beutiful thing. Cheers from Norway.
I love your last comment, "If you don't like this, go start your own magazine." OMG that's classic! I wrote a couple of westerns set in Texas during Reconstruction and I really loved doing the research. Real history is so much more entertaining, interesting, both more beautiful and uglier than Hollywood could ever make it. I'm really enjoying your videos. As for the freedom fighter versus the blood thirsty killer, I think it is safe to say he was both. But what the historical revisionist won't acknowledge is the fact that the lifestyle he was trying fighting to preserve was one of perpetual violence.
Umm…. Yes. Seriously - he was probably both. For his people he was certainly a freedom fighter, and he did enough killing that he probably got used to it - he was definitely cold, thorough and methodical about it, and I don’t think he ever hesitated when he thought it was necessary to kill. But, being a warrior fighting in a desperate conflict - being a “cold-blooded killer” is a virtue not a vice. Because the choices are get cold-blooded about it and accept it as part of your life/responsibility/duty, or just completely lose your freakin’ mind. You can’t rely on fear, rage, panic, desperation or hate to carry you through killing the enemy every time if you’re in that much combat and not completely lose yourself. Geronimo is buried in the Apache cemetery on the back side of Fort Sill. I visited his grave while I was stationed there many years ago. It’s peaceful there now, but also kind of eerie - not such a comfortable place for a soldier whose ancestry is entirely European if you trace it back 3 centuries, but I still paid my respects.
How could anyone not like and enjoy this presentation about Geronimo? I was curious about what an Apache warrior's daily life was like so I read Herman Lehman's "Nine Years Among the Indians 1870 - 1879." Amazing...
Why does Geronimo have to be either one? They are not only narrowly defined, there's only two of them. I would counter it says more about you than it does Geronimo.
@@dreed7312 ~ Geronimo was both Freedom Fighter and a killer. He had to be to survive. I do not judge him, and it says nothing about me. You are the one who attacked my character for no reason, and that reflects on YOUR lack of character and civility.
@@charlieswearingen500 if you can't read it isnt because you are being '"attacked." You presented a false dichotomy which isn't interesting. That has nothing to do with your character, as far as I know.
Why does Geronimo have to be either one? They are not only narrowly defined, there's only two of them. "I would counter it says more about you than it does Geronimo."
Oh man, I thought this was more like 1870’s and 80’s. Not the 90’s and early 1900’s! That really changes my perspective on it. My God, the old west isn’t as old as I thought!
What happened was horrible.But as Sherman said,war is hell.The same is true,for the Apaches.Sherman,was in charge of Indian Affairs.He was soley responsible for Geronimo's demise
I have always wished that people throughout the world would use their heads and be more correct when referencing a "Red Man" as a "native American". ALL persons born in America are native American! If you were born in Norway, what are you? A native Norwegian. If you were born in France, what are you? A native Frenchman. And it goes on and on like that throughout the world. The "Red Man" in America is a TRIBAL American! And that is something that is very special, indeed!
Vivid memories as a kid yelling "Geronimo" as we jumped from the cliff into the swimming hole. Thanks for the terrific video. I can't wait to read your book.
We did too, while jumping in the pool back in the 60's. I believe, but am not positive, that the Geronimo yell originated with paratroopers during WWII as they jumped from planes.
@@riverraisin1 I heard a joke when I was a kid (1970 something) about native American in Airborne military units yelling "Chuck Conners!" as they jumped because he played Geronimo in a movie.
It was never black and white between the Apaches and either the Mexicans or the Soldiers, let's not forget that Mexico put a bounty on Apache scalps and in turn Apaches often raided deep into Mexico. As for Apache endurance and capabilities look no further than Nana who successfully evades capture for nearly twenty years.
History is far more complex. My ancestors fled slavery and came to the US in 1600’s and then became slave owners. Over the centuries they fought for the King of England and then fought against the king of England. They then split and fought each other in the civil war. They were racist and anti racist, they were white, black, Mexican, and Native American. I’m a mut but because of the three generations am mostly European genetics.
Geronimo was a little guy, i read 5 ft 2 inches tall, don't know if that is actually so, but he was a mean little soul. I can't help it, I just love em. We still use some of his fighting techniques in our military, he knew what he was doing.
Yes! I would love to see more true history regarding Native Americans of the old west. Crazy Horse especially. He would never allow his photograph to be taken. He & Geronimo basically had the same mantra but unlike Geronimo Crazy Horse was murdered & wasn't given the chance to grow old, like a lot of Chiefs who had also been murdered.
History needs to be told. Factually. Geronimo was a Patriot, and so were all the others. Everybody had their role. Apaches were killing and raping and torturing tribes before the Spanish, Mexicans and Americans got here. No different, Indian against Indian. Then when the Europeans came into play? Just better numbers and better arms. Same war brutality, all in all. This video is disappointing to me. Geronimo was a Patriot, but he had to be a Monster to be so. The same with the other factors who came to conquer. Just like the Apaches conquered those who were in their way. This is not history, what this guy is telling. He is spinning the truth! Read the history by those who lived it, Indian and White! Much more to it when you have a great researcher doing the work instead of a woke academic. Read Allan Eckert! He'll tell you what these arrogant academics won't back in early western expansion. What happened in Ohio and Kentucky eventually happened everywhere in what is now the USA. Tragic as it was to Indians and Whites, it was already happening, Indian vs Indian. So, why fight history? USA is what it is, and history actually happened. NONE of it is necessarily pretty, but it HAPPENED! And it is what it is now. Unbelievable that folks want to rewrite history, exclude facts to bend views, and call themselves experts. Agenda much? History equals facts. When you don't have facts, BUILD facts, and tell the KNOWN TRUTH...subject to new information! NEVER REWRITE HISTORY! " Just tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth!
You didn’t mention how their children were forcibly removed to Indian schools in Pennsylvania where lots caught TB after which they were allowed home were their parents caught it too, this is how Lozen died the famous sister of Victorio, during their stay in Florida and Alabama lots died of malaria they were treated abominably. Geronimo always regretted surrendering he was tricked into doing so on false promises, even the Chiricahua scouts that had worked for the army were sent into exile.
If you study the history of Apaches, Mexico were worse than us when it came to their sickening brutality against the Apaches. So this had been going on for Centuries. Wouldn't you fight back with everything you had?
I can understand Geronimo‘s anger towards the Mexicans for murdering his family. But you also have to look at it for how Jesus/God says. If you do not, forgive those who have sinned against you. I will not forgive you on judgment day. Because every one of us, where do you believe it or not. Are going to stand before Jesus/God on judgment day. And our lives will be judged by him. The only way that you can go to heaven. Is to repent of your sins, and turn to Jesus and what he did for us. In his death, burial and resurrection. And your sins will be forgiven. There’s no other way to heaven. And if you choose not to forgive others, who have sinned against you. Hell is where you will go.
When you go to war you go to kill the enemy in any way you can. History is written by the conquerors. Geronimo was one of the great guerrilla fighters. If it’s me or you, with no apologies it will be you. And the American government chose to eradicate the native Indians. If I was an a Indian I would have been a blood thirsty murder. Love your blog.
Tell me each and every one of you wouldn't have done the same damn thing that he did if you were brought up like he was during the time that he was trust me I think I would have been come even worse than he became if you were to try to come after me and my family oh buddy Lord have mercy on your soul because I'm not going to I would teach you what pain really was and trust me the Apaches were notorious for that I look at it this way he didn't do nothing different than what the white people did how many of them did the white people just go in and kill what comes around goes around what you reap you sow you know if all the Indian tribes were his fierce as the Apache they wouldn't have had their land taken from them
Personally to me Geronimo was no different than Vlad the impaler he fought for his people any ruler will fight for their people and they'll do anything it takes to make sure their people are safe
Native Americans only did to the white man what they did to the natives - scalping, I believe, was started by white men. Interesting to know Geronimo had over 50 wounds! These people were out in the intense sun all the time and must and must have had incredible vitamin D levels, which meant they were immune to infections caused by wounds that would kill others with lower vitamin D levels because of infection.
I'm surprised nobody's quoted "One person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter." And, while you hear plenty of populist politicians beat their chests and hump the flag, they rarely put themselves at risk. At least Geronimo led from the front.
Great vid, Ty. Thank goodness that human history is cyclical and will sometime in the future look turn to another view of Geronimo that's not murderer, freedom fighter, businessman, and domestic engineer. Fortunately, mature history determines that the earliest sources are realized to be the most appropriate and credible. So, what Geronimo was in the early days is what distant future history will most remember about him.
What kind of question is that ? No , Custer was a cold blooded killer . He was an American Indian who was fighting for his home ! He was tired of the endless lies and breaking of treaties . Endless lies , man does that sound familiar ?
Immigration across the bering strait and squatting on 2 continents does not justify complete ownership. Any more then planting a flag on the moon grant complete ownership to the US...
Hello Bob. Yeah, okay an attack helicopter. Let's not be cynical and call things by their name. The Portuguese, The Spanish, The English and The French all wreaked havoc across the Americas from the southern tip of Brazil all the way to the Yukon we cheated, we robbed, we killed, we starved and we imprisoned every native tribe we came across from the south of south america to the north of north america. This is not a point of view deal here this is fact and the reason we still sit on the fence of a topic that has no fence is due to guilt and I am a very conservative individual, a Christian, etc I am the antithesis of the social justice warrior. But facts are facts.
. The New England Indian War lasted give or take lasted from 1610 to 1763 ... after roughly 153 years of savage warfare along the frontier ... the bloodiest per capital warfare in America including the Civil War ... at the end, only the Mikmak remained undefeated ... .
You are giving us great information, I love listening to you. I read that the apaches use to attack the Navaho, who were very loving and peaceful Indians. Afterword's, the Navaho would reciprocate twice over. This kept the Apaches at bay for a time, then they would do it again. This was a dance they preformed for many years - - - apparently.
The Navajo also gave them the name we know them by now - Apache itself isn’t originally an Apache word…. It’s a Navajo word that literally means “enemy”.
All I know about those times came from my father my grandfather and my great grandfather .they lived in far west texas and New Mexico and they feared Geronimo till he died and always had a place with a deep tunnel that lead a long way from the house . At times my great grand father was in a posse trying to catch them the not only stole horses and cows but anything they could including a small Mexican boy from another ranch . They were ruthless to anyone they came in contact with they gave no mercy and asked for none . In fact if mercy were shown to them they lost all respect for who chose to give them mercy and they felt that whoever was showing mercy they were belittling them as a man and a Warrior. They were complicated people, but certainly people from that time did show respect to the Apaches way of war and two individual warriors who outshone the norm Geronimo was one of those warriors. I do not understand how anyone could not look back on HISTORY at the time it was happening and today and not understand that do you need and was fighting for his way of life and the people that came there to settle we’re fighting for their way of life so it was just not one-sided Apache or European. They both had a right to fight 2024 is not the same as 1854 .
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Thanks so much very interesting. Greetings from Arctic Norway
You ran over General Crook, he didn't deserve that, as head of Military Division of the Missouri he did much to advocate for the Natives and helped them with legal affairs against the Government until he passed away, and was furious at the way Gen. Miles treated the Scouts that had given such loyal service. Geronimo got a lot of his people killed, I've heard this said in many quarters. There is a book out there written by a man who left the trail early on but was mine superintendent in North Mexico, by Britton Davis that I'd like to know if it's good or bad now, titled, The Truth about Geronimo.
The town of truth or consequences, use to be Hot Springs, was a place Geronimo stayed at often for the healing springs. I'm told by locals, that he lived near here, close to Silver City. I always thought he hung out in Arizona. But this area apparently was close to where he was initially arrested as well.
You are so interesting. Thank you for all your history. I learn so much from you. Your telling of all this is so in grossing, to me , spell binding. Thank you Bob Bose Bell.
first off, i love the gunship apache, they can be as ruthless as its name sake.but i really like this program of yours.if i hear it from you it is chiseled in stone.please keep up this great work of yours. tyrell santee
WoW ! Thank you. He was obviously very smart. From general to teacher, to farmer with a lot of, strange to us, behaviors along the way. You know he is the one who probably thought of the white man as stupid. Paying for his buttons, photos, paintings. How he managed to keep his wits against so much army seeking to kill him, is beyond me. He probably learnt the same way to not walk into someones house with dirty boots. Considering the times, the mentality back then towards natives. He managed and succeeded.
Assigning all of today's "best" morals to people of yesterday is an exercise in futility and silliness. Surely, many cross over. As sure is many do not. Excellent presentation and a great representation of what it meant to the people of the time and greatly instructional and educational for us today. Thank you!
Enjoyed your presentation, will order the book. I have a good friend who says his grandmother was Geronimo granddaughter, do you any info on Geronimo's wives?
Apache means enemy. They made their living through raiding( war fare). Their own historical figures PROUDLY admitted to it. Cochise made a deal that amounted to a protection racket; he never understood why the U S Army discouraged Apache raids into Mexico, or against other Indian tribes. The Bascom Affair blew it for everybody. At Apache Pass the Apaches could've stopped the Union in Arizona except for the Apaches not realizing the importance of artillery to the outcome.
No the Apaches wernt saints in any way but you cant realy compare the impact the white imigration had on their tribe with the raiding they did on others. Also you have to look at the impact on their whole culture and what religion, forced way of life, loss of a deep spiritual way WITH the land compared to be forced to live AGAINST the land.
@@allover4309 what does it have to do with anything? More or less all people been doing shit, that dosnt mean they wernt spiritual. You gona deny that native americans were spiritual because they did raids and killed?
@@jimbombadill maybe whatever heinous acts committed by the Apache can easily be romanticized by calling them "spiritual" BTW did you fall in a hole for a year and just now escape?
I have a very critical and important Geronimo question.
When he jumped from a position such as a cliff into water, etc. What did he yell?? 🤔😉😁😁👍
"Hey, we didn't name an attack helicopter after them (Apaches) because of their bead work!"
Germino and other native Americans should never be judged by modern standards. They were fighting for survival in a hopeless cause. They killed who they had to kill trying to survive. A sad and tragic period of American history.
This was just incredibly interesting, I love Geronimo and he truly was more deserving of the term “genius” than some who are called that today. AND he loved cats?! Unbelievable! A real man, and warrior of warriors. I wish you would also do one on another Apache, Massai, he wasn’t as well known as Geronimo but that man was a ghost and could be almost invisible. I certainly wish I could have met both-though, preferably not as either one’s enemy.
General Crook, in reference to 5000 US troops looking for Geronimo and his band of about 80 Apache said, " It's like hunting deer with a brass band "
Your Magazine is AMAZING! I really enjoy listening to your stories. The RESPECT you show all characters involved, it's something special. Keep up the great work....Also... when I was a kid I (my family) had a cat named Geronimo, but I had no idea Geronimo himself was found of cats. We named him Geronimo because he was a fearless little kitten - and such a great cat when he grew older. My father told me all those stories about the Sioux, the Apaches, the Comanches, about Sitting Bull, Geronimo, and of course Billy the Kid, Jesse James and on and on...and I am sure that if he (my father) was still alive he would have LOVED your channel. He always pointed out that a lot of the stories were probably not strictly The Truth, and to listen to you telling the truth - would have resonated with him. Again, the respect you show, it's a beutiful thing. Cheers from Norway.
Does he sell physical magazines? I want one.
I love your last comment, "If you don't like this, go start your own magazine." OMG that's classic! I wrote a couple of westerns set in Texas during Reconstruction and I really loved doing the research. Real history is so much more entertaining, interesting, both more beautiful and uglier than Hollywood could ever make it. I'm really enjoying your videos. As for the freedom fighter versus the blood thirsty killer, I think it is safe to say he was both. But what the historical revisionist won't acknowledge is the fact that the lifestyle he was trying fighting to preserve was one of perpetual violence.
1920's still had Broncho Apache raiding and killing in Mexico but occasional raids and killings in Arizona.
Umm…. Yes.
Seriously - he was probably both. For his people he was certainly a freedom fighter, and he did enough killing that he probably got used to it - he was definitely cold, thorough and methodical about it, and I don’t think he ever hesitated when he thought it was necessary to kill. But, being a warrior fighting in a desperate conflict - being a “cold-blooded killer” is a virtue not a vice. Because the choices are get cold-blooded about it and accept it as part of your life/responsibility/duty, or just completely lose your freakin’ mind. You can’t rely on fear, rage, panic, desperation or hate to carry you through killing the enemy every time if you’re in that much combat and not completely lose yourself.
Geronimo is buried in the Apache cemetery on the back side of Fort Sill. I visited his grave while I was stationed there many years ago. It’s peaceful there now, but also kind of eerie - not such a comfortable place for a soldier whose ancestry is entirely European if you trace it back 3 centuries, but I still paid my respects.
"We didn't name a attack helicopter after them because of their bead work" lmao 🤣
How could anyone not like and enjoy this presentation about Geronimo? I was curious about what an Apache warrior's daily life was like so I read Herman Lehman's "Nine Years Among the Indians 1870 - 1879." Amazing...
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Why does Geronimo have to be either one? They are not only narrowly defined, there's only two of them. I would counter it says more about you than it does Geronimo.
@@dreed7312 ~ Geronimo was both Freedom Fighter and a killer. He had to be to survive. I do not judge him, and it says nothing about me. You are the one who attacked my character for no reason, and that reflects on YOUR lack of character and civility.
@@charlieswearingen500 if you can't read it isnt because you are being '"attacked." You presented a false dichotomy which isn't interesting. That has nothing to do with your character, as far as I know.
Why does Geronimo have to be either one? They are not only narrowly defined, there's only two of them. "I would counter it says more about you than it does Geronimo."
Oh man, I thought this was more like 1870’s and 80’s. Not the 90’s and early 1900’s! That really changes my perspective on it.
My God, the old west isn’t as old as I thought!
What happened was horrible.But as Sherman said,war is hell.The same is true,for the Apaches.Sherman,was in charge of Indian Affairs.He was soley responsible for Geronimo's demise
I have always wished that people throughout the world would use their heads and be more correct when referencing a "Red Man" as a "native American". ALL persons born in America are native American! If you were born in Norway, what are you? A native Norwegian. If you were born in France, what are you? A native Frenchman. And it goes on and on like that throughout the world. The "Red Man" in America is a TRIBAL American! And that is something that is very special, indeed!
Vivid memories as a kid yelling "Geronimo" as we jumped from the cliff into the swimming hole. Thanks for the terrific video. I can't wait to read your book.
We did too, while jumping in the pool back in the 60's.
I believe, but am not positive, that the Geronimo yell originated with paratroopers during WWII as they jumped from planes.
@@riverraisin1 yep,
At the public pool, WE YELLED TITANTIC ~!!!!!!!! whenever a chubby girl jumped off the diving board !!!!! I am still laughing.
@@riverraisin1 I heard a joke when I was a kid (1970 something) about native American in Airborne military units yelling "Chuck Conners!" as they jumped because he played Geronimo in a movie.
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It was never black and white between the Apaches and either the Mexicans or the Soldiers, let's not forget that Mexico put a bounty on Apache scalps and in turn Apaches often raided deep into Mexico. As for Apache endurance and capabilities look no further than Nana who successfully evades capture for nearly twenty years.
This it’s amazing.I can guarantee students in our schools don’t know anything about this
I like the Geronimo story Mr Bell. Geronimo has always been my favorite Native Ameriican. He is a facinating character.
One of the best talks I've heard so far. Love Geronimo and enjoyed the passion in your speech.
History is far more complex. My ancestors fled slavery and came to the US in 1600’s and then became slave owners. Over the centuries they fought for the King of England and then fought against the king of England. They then split and fought each other in the civil war. They were racist and anti racist, they were white, black, Mexican, and Native American. I’m a mut but because of the three generations am mostly European genetics.
Geronimo was a little guy, i read 5 ft 2 inches tall, don't know if that is actually so, but he was a mean little soul. I can't help it, I just love em. We still use some of his fighting techniques in our military, he knew what he was doing.
Attitude is everything!
Fabulous fabulous fabulous. Thank you for this remarkable mans history. Savage and freedom fighter no doubt. Thank you.
I've always been fascinated by the story of Geronimo.
I feel like saying America took the land from the natives is insulting. They fought a long war and they were absolutely capable of winning.
Yes!
I would love to see more true history regarding Native Americans of the old west.
Crazy Horse especially.
He would never allow his photograph to be taken.
He & Geronimo basically had the same mantra but unlike Geronimo Crazy Horse was murdered & wasn't given the chance to grow old, like a lot of Chiefs who had also been murdered.
History needs to be told. Factually. Geronimo was a Patriot, and so were all the others. Everybody had their role. Apaches were killing and raping and torturing tribes before the Spanish, Mexicans and Americans got here. No different, Indian against Indian. Then when the Europeans came into play? Just better numbers and better arms. Same war brutality, all in all. This video is disappointing to me. Geronimo was a Patriot, but he had to be a Monster to be so. The same with the other factors who came to conquer. Just like the Apaches conquered those who were in their way. This is not history, what this guy is telling. He is spinning the truth! Read the history by those who lived it, Indian and White! Much more to it when you have a great researcher doing the work instead of a woke academic. Read Allan Eckert! He'll tell you what these arrogant academics won't back in early western expansion. What happened in Ohio and Kentucky eventually happened everywhere in what is now the USA. Tragic as it was to Indians and Whites, it was already happening, Indian vs Indian. So, why fight history? USA is what it is, and history actually happened. NONE of it is necessarily pretty, but it HAPPENED! And it is what it is now. Unbelievable that folks want to rewrite history, exclude facts to bend views, and call themselves experts. Agenda much? History equals facts. When you don't have facts, BUILD facts, and tell the KNOWN TRUTH...subject to new information! NEVER REWRITE HISTORY! " Just tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth!
So informative. Enjoy these history lessons
You didn’t mention how their children were forcibly removed to Indian schools in Pennsylvania where lots caught TB after which they were allowed home were their parents caught it too, this is how Lozen died the famous sister of Victorio, during their stay in Florida and Alabama lots died of malaria they were treated abominably. Geronimo always regretted surrendering he was tricked into doing so on false promises, even the Chiricahua scouts that had worked for the army were sent into exile.
For myself, Lozen was just as interesting. Great video.
She is our lil sister
If you study the history of Apaches, Mexico were worse than us when it came to their sickening brutality against the Apaches.
So this had been going on for Centuries.
Wouldn't you fight back with everything you had?
I can understand Geronimo‘s anger towards the Mexicans for murdering his family. But you also have to look at it for how Jesus/God says. If you do not, forgive those who have sinned against you. I will not forgive you on judgment day. Because every one of us, where do you believe it or not. Are going to stand before Jesus/God on judgment day. And our lives will be judged by him. The only way that you can go to heaven. Is to repent of your sins, and turn to Jesus and what he did for us. In his death, burial and resurrection. And your sins will be forgiven. There’s no other way to heaven. And if you choose not to forgive others, who have sinned against you. Hell is where you will go.
When you go to war you go to kill the enemy in any way you can. History is written by the conquerors. Geronimo was one of the great guerrilla fighters. If it’s me or you, with no apologies it will be you. And the American government chose to eradicate the native Indians. If I was an a Indian I would have been a blood thirsty murder. Love your blog.
We came and took his way life
Aabsolutely brilliant, thanks for all your research I love your since of humor and the way you bring
History across 👍
What an interesting guy. Outsmarted the White Man his entire life!
He wasn't the the only ruthless killer, not by a long shot. The Americans and Mexicans certainly were no angels.
Tell me each and every one of you wouldn't have done the same damn thing that he did if you were brought up like he was during the time that he was trust me I think I would have been come even worse than he became if you were to try to come after me and my family oh buddy Lord have mercy on your soul because I'm not going to I would teach you what pain really was and trust me the Apaches were notorious for that I look at it this way he didn't do nothing different than what the white people did how many of them did the white people just go in and kill what comes around goes around what you reap you sow you know if all the Indian tribes were his fierce as the Apache they wouldn't have had their land taken from them
Personally to me Geronimo was no different than Vlad the impaler he fought for his people any ruler will fight for their people and they'll do anything it takes to make sure their people are safe
My grandmother meet geronimo. She was a orphan Cherokee.
Native Americans only did to the white man what they did to the natives - scalping, I believe, was started by white men. Interesting to know Geronimo had over 50 wounds! These people were out in the intense sun all the time and must and must have had incredible vitamin D levels, which meant they were immune to infections caused by wounds that would kill others with lower vitamin D levels because of infection.
That would be a fascinating thing to research, and I never honestly thought about it. I definitely don’t doubt it!
The Apache war tactics are still taught to the US military to this day.
10k only equals today's 250k?
Somehow I doubt that very very much.
Absolutely love this! More please! Greetings from South Africa
I'm surprised nobody's quoted "One person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter." And, while you hear plenty of populist politicians beat their chests and hump the flag, they rarely put themselves at risk. At least Geronimo led from the front.
You just did, right? 🥸
Good stuff Bob, love hearing you tell about history and things! Keep up the good work buddy!
I would love to hear more about Geronimo and other famous and infamous American Indian warriors.
Great vid, Ty. Thank goodness that human history is cyclical and will sometime in the future look turn to another view of Geronimo that's not murderer, freedom fighter, businessman, and domestic engineer. Fortunately, mature history determines that the earliest sources are realized to be the most appropriate and credible. So, what Geronimo was in the early days is what distant future history will most remember about him.
He did what any of us would do if we were invaded.
Geronimo and me used to hunt rabbits I used a Henry rifle and Geronimo used his hands :)
Grazie..la storia di Geronimo è affascinante. Un grande combattente che non verrà mai dimencato ❤️
After camp grant I can't say I blame him
sounds like geronimo was a comedian. i bet he had some good jokes! great video!
All apaches like a good laugh
What kind of question is that ? No , Custer was a cold blooded killer . He was an American Indian who was fighting for his home ! He was tired of the endless lies and breaking of treaties . Endless lies , man does that sound familiar ?
Immigration across the bering strait and squatting on 2 continents does not justify complete ownership. Any more then planting a flag on the moon grant complete ownership to the US...
Lol
Geronimo True American Hero.... and True American Villain.
An Apache does not forget his birthdate place! Yes, in Arizona
Hello Bob. Yeah, okay an attack helicopter. Let's not be cynical and call things by their name. The Portuguese, The Spanish, The English and The French all wreaked havoc across the Americas from the southern tip of Brazil all the way to the Yukon we cheated, we robbed, we killed, we starved and we imprisoned every native tribe we came across from the south of south america to the north of north america. This is not a point of view deal here this is fact and the reason we still sit on the fence of a topic that has no fence is due to guilt and I am a very conservative individual, a Christian, etc I am the antithesis of the social justice warrior. But facts are facts.
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He was defending his way of life. You'd do the same thing.
You obviously didn't watch the whole video. Geronimo and the Apache were not peace mongers.
Bluesky, u r a clown. The Apaches were uncivilized murderers. Read a book some day. Btw, the Commanches drove them into the SW...not white people.
He was also cold blooded killer. All apaches were
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The New England Indian War lasted give or take lasted from 1610 to 1763 ... after roughly 153 years of savage warfare along the frontier ... the bloodiest per capital warfare in America including the Civil War ... at the end, only the Mikmak remained undefeated ...
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This has been such an eye opener for me! Thank you so much!
Gadfly here 😐
You know any “seasoned fighter”
IS COLD BLOODED
you don’t live long
Otherwise
You are giving us great information, I love listening to you. I read that the apaches use to attack the Navaho, who were very loving and peaceful Indians. Afterword's, the Navaho would reciprocate twice over. This kept the Apaches at bay for a time, then they would do it again. This was a dance they preformed for many years - - - apparently.
The Navajo also gave them the name we know them by now - Apache itself isn’t originally an Apache word…. It’s a Navajo word that literally means “enemy”.
"loving and peaceful Indians" Was that before or after the murder, r***, cannibalism and child sacrifice?
It would have been amazing to meet him! What a great man,!
You certainly have your way of complicating the momentous while confusing the obvious, ever think of running for Congress?
All I know about those times came from my father my grandfather and my great grandfather .they lived in far west texas and New Mexico and they feared Geronimo till he died and always had a place with a deep tunnel that lead a long way from the house . At times my great grand father was in a posse trying to catch them the not only stole horses and cows but anything they could including a small Mexican boy from another ranch . They were ruthless to anyone they came in contact with they gave no mercy and asked for none . In fact if mercy were shown to them they lost all respect for who chose to give them mercy and they felt that whoever was showing mercy they were belittling them as a man and a Warrior. They were complicated people, but certainly people from that time did show respect to the Apaches way of war and two individual warriors who outshone the norm Geronimo was one of those warriors. I do not understand how anyone could not look back on HISTORY at the time it was happening and today and not understand that do you need and was fighting for his way of life and the people that came there to settle we’re fighting for their way of life so it was just not one-sided Apache or European. They both had a right to fight 2024 is not the same as 1854 .
Thanks so much very interesting. Greetings from Arctic Norway
Lololol! If you don’t like this go start your own magazine! Nuff said!🤣Love it!
is it known did he ever have a parachute or knew what they were for?
I seen the so-called cliff Geronimo jumped from. It was a small ditch! Yep. No cliff, no nothing. Wild West fish story.
You ran over General Crook, he didn't deserve that, as head of Military Division of the Missouri he did much to advocate for the Natives and helped them with legal affairs against the Government until he passed away, and was furious at the way Gen. Miles treated the Scouts that had given such loyal service. Geronimo got a lot of his people killed, I've heard this said in many quarters. There is a book out there written by a man who left the trail early on but was mine superintendent in North Mexico, by Britton Davis that I'd like to know if it's good or bad now, titled, The Truth about Geronimo.
One of my favorite Jimmy Stewart movies is 'Broken Arrow'.
It answers your question about Geronimo.
another excellent account, B3. many Thanks, please keep 'em coming~!!
Geronimo! I used to yell that as a kid every time I would do something dangerous! My two mentors are Geronimo and Crazy Horse! Thanks Bob!
That was a favorite war cry for kids in my day too.
The town of truth or consequences, use to be Hot Springs, was a place Geronimo stayed at often for the healing springs. I'm told by locals, that he lived near here, close to Silver City. I always thought he hung out in Arizona. But this area apparently was close to where he was initially arrested as well.
I don't need to start my own magazine, because I like THIS 😀
You are so interesting. Thank you for all your history. I learn so much from you. Your telling of all this is so in grossing, to me , spell binding. Thank you Bob Bose Bell.
first off, i love the gunship apache, they can be as ruthless as its name sake.but i really like this program of yours.if i hear it from you it is chiseled in stone.please keep up this great work of yours. tyrell santee
WoW ! Thank you. He was obviously very smart. From general to teacher, to farmer with a lot of, strange to us, behaviors along the way. You know he is the one who probably thought of the white man as stupid. Paying for his buttons, photos, paintings. How he managed to keep his wits against so much army seeking to kill him, is beyond me. He probably learnt the same way to not walk into someones house with dirty boots. Considering the times, the mentality back then towards natives. He managed and succeeded.
What did yell when he jumped out of an airplane? "Myself!!!"
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He was a hero!
What's that old Indian saying don't judge a man until you walk a mile in his moccasins
Mr. Bell, please do a Arizona Rangers book.
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Assigning all of today's "best" morals to people of yesterday is an exercise in futility and silliness. Surely, many cross over. As sure is many do not. Excellent presentation and a great representation of what it meant to the people of the time and greatly instructional and educational for us today. Thank you!
Great channel! Love the stories!! Here in Tucson.
How do I get the book?
Enjoyed your presentation, will order the book. I have a good friend who says his grandmother was Geronimo granddaughter, do you any info on Geronimo's wives?
He was resisting invading occupiers. He was doing what the investment bankers gave him no choice but to do.
Apache means enemy. They made their living through raiding( war fare). Their own historical figures PROUDLY admitted to it. Cochise made a deal that amounted to a protection racket; he never understood why the U S Army discouraged Apache raids into Mexico, or against other Indian tribes. The Bascom Affair blew it for everybody. At Apache Pass the Apaches could've stopped the Union in Arizona except for the Apaches not realizing the importance of artillery to the outcome.
How did he end up with Italiano name? Geronimo is Italian name. lol!
What is the reason for not returning to Geronimo's body to Arizona?
ISN'T THERE OTHER COMMENTATORS ? THIS GUY TALKS FOR HRS N DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING.
What do you think about the chano silva interview 🤔
good stuff
No the Apaches wernt saints in any way but you cant realy compare the impact the white imigration had on their tribe with the raiding they did on others. Also you have to look at the impact on their whole culture and what religion, forced way of life, loss of a deep spiritual way WITH the land compared to be forced to live AGAINST the land.
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Stealing Pima women was "deeply spiritual"?
@@allover4309 what does it have to do with anything? More or less all people been doing shit, that dosnt mean they wernt spiritual. You gona deny that native americans were spiritual because they did raids and killed?
@@jimbombadill maybe whatever heinous acts committed by the Apache can easily be romanticized by calling them "spiritual"
BTW did you fall in a hole for a year and just now escape?
Heck of a life story.
Just protecting his own.
He fell off his horse while intoxicated....
The patches did awful things to people set fire to their feet
Great History lesson on Geronimo this video is wonderful