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Tombstone: On the Cutting Room Floor
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- Опубліковано 18 січ 2022
- Bob Boze Bell weighs in on Kevin Jarre’s original script. Everyone seems to agree that Kevin Jarre’s original script for Tombstone was brilliant. So, why hasn’t someone dusted off the source material and re-filmed it the way Kevin wrote it? Is it because it’s too long for a movie, as some suggest, or is there a deeper truth about the whole shebang?
We asked the participants in the 1993 film to weigh in, along with some of the best historians in the Earp field.
Bob Boze Bell is known as America's Western Storyteller. He is an artist, author, writer and serves as executive editor of True West magazine. Bell is a popular, sought-after figure in television documentaries about the Old West, appearing as an expert in dozens of Wild West history shows. Bell won an Emmy Award as Executive Producer of the PBS special, Outrageous Arizona, a zany look at the state's centennial, that he also wrote and helped direct. As an author, Bell has brought to life Billy the Kid, Geronimo, Doc Holliday, Wyatt Earp and Wild Bill Hickok in his best-selling Illustrated Life and Times series. His books Classic Gunfights I, II and III are must-reads about the most important Old West gunfights. Bell’s Bad Men is now in its fourth printing, while his illustrated autobiography, The 66 Kid: Raised on the Mother Road, gives personal insight into the passions that have driven him on his lifelong quest to interpret the history of the American West for audiences around the world.
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"Hello Bob" ( BTK reference!)
I could listen to you all day. Love it. Thanks!!
I worked TOMBSTONE for about last 10 weeks. I was the downstairs waiter in the Bird Cage and horseback with all my own gear, horses, saddle portraying Red Sash Gang. I got to sit down with Sam Elliot , ride and pic took with Buck Taylor, get my picture took with Kurt Russell, meet Harry Carey jr, Bill Fraker and talk about Monte Walsh, long list of good times. Long hours, good food, camping with my horses , riding and seeing neat country, and good pay for playing cowboy. Bill Weddle
Did you have a chance to meet Dana Delany?
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Another great job Bob, fascinating how the script was changed. Being able to visit both movies sets would've been a daisy.
Tombstone is one of my top 5 favorite movies. Casting was the very best. Performances top notch. I can’t give this movie enough superlatives. The bad guys were as interesting to watch as the good guys!
I loved the Costner movie as well. I believe the real secret weapon for Tombstone was the cast. Tombstone had a much better cast than Earp did. Especially with Val Kilmer. I’m no expert as to if his portrayal was accurate or not, but he certainly stood out as did Michael Biehn and Powers Boothe. And of course you can’t go wrong with anything Sam Elliott does.Hopefully if Kevin’s script gets a mini series on Netflix hopefully , he can get a great cast.
Casting was brilliant in this movie. Val Kilmer will be hard to top as Doc Holliday, but the entire cast was perfect!
I felt Wyatt Earp was more of a character study; whereas Tombstone leaned towards an action flick in it's dialog/character development. Both were good but Tombstone won out as more appealing to the masses. We had a local critic at the time if she didn't like it we all went to see it no matter what it was that was our movie barometer.
Good grief. Kurt Russel outshined them all.
Wyatt Earp would be played by Kevin Hart
I think so too. I am a fan of Costner, and Russell both. I think both were really good, with some big talent. But the support cast in Tombstone was absolutely over the top amazing. I truly do not think there was anyone in Tombstone that didn’t deliver an exceptional performance.
And I mean no disrespect to anyone on Wyatt Earp.
Nice presentation. I had seen some time ago that the movie had to be rushed to meet certain timeframes and Kurt Russell felt that if those deadlines didn't exist the movie would have been an all time great, even though it still ranks very high. I really appreciate the behind the scenes look at both movies and like you, I hope I am still around if and when a movie or mini-series is made using the original script of Tombstone. Thanks again. P.S. I look forward to each issue of your magazine.
I’m an old old rookie to true west. But have always been keenly interested in Westerns /Histories. Your knowledge, experience, and talent to share both just solidifies why I love the old west so much. Great job Bob, and thanks.
Mr. Bell, you are a fascinating man for sure! Your ability to covey your enthusiasm through your videos is second to none. It was riveting, thank you and keep them coming!
I really enjoy your articles in True West and enjoyed listening to you tell the tale just as much. If you keep doing live streams, I'll keep watching them!
My daughter and her boyfriend were in Tombstone at the end of last summer and he proposed to her shortly after the gunfight reenactment at the OK corral in front of the spectators. I have a video of it. I wish I could have been there.
I am a True West subscriber and wasn't able to watch the comments live, but I sure enjoyed listening to the Bob's personal information relating to the two films. Also, I feel like I need to go back and re-watch Tombstone and Wyatt Earp after hearing about the wardrobe challenges when Kevin Costner decided to buy up the available costumes, leaving the Tombstone wardrobe availability to seek alternatives overseas. Thanks for doing this!
Loved Tombstone! The actors really captured the spirits of the people they portrayed. I loved the way they established the close bonds of the Earps, which drove the vendetta- I mean-pursuit of justice. I need to watch it again.
Hello Mr Bell: First off, I want to THANK YOU for your “True West Magazine” and these You Tube Videos- I can’t get enough of them! ❤️ I live in Oklahoma City and I would like to ask you, if you would to do a Video or a Story about the Gunfight at Ingalls (outside of Stillwater, Okla). After I read about it, I believe it is every bit as “exciting” of a story as Tombstone or Coffeyville. If you have done something on it already, I apologize because I’ve missed it. Thank You again.
When it came out I WAS HOOKED! i have watched it so many times, its embarrassing . . . love your videos! So if they remake Jarre's version, IDK if it could have the personal connection . . . i would watch it if and when it may come out!
Me too
Started at Cinema 2 times
Then on VHS then onto DVD & Blu Ray I have watched this at least 30 times
I've long been an enthusiast of our western history, including Little Bighorn, Billy the Kid, and, of course, Wyatt Earp. Years ago I loved a series about the search for Troy. I recall especially the phrase "discovering new worlds for the imagination". Apt! That is precisely what Bob gives us.
You may enjoy my book, “Billy the Kid: El Bandido Simpático” which will be released by University of North Texas Press this summer
Really enjoyed it. Thanks! Looking forward to the March issue.
Good stuff....thx.......I grew up in a Hotel (our family owned) in Colorado that was built in 1878. Love this stuff. I seen a historic photo of the Hotel in True West Magazine once . It was the Jackson Hotel ...Poncha Spga Colo. ....thx again from Golden Valley Arizona !
I loved Tombstone! It had all the elements that I like, action, bravado lines from the good guys and the swagger of the bad guys. The characters had more personality than Costner's movie. I can't wait to read the original script, thanks for the info!
Awesome Bob ! I saw both movies both were good but Tombstone was the best I think.. loved the show. Thanks
I agree! I saw both also and Tombstone is my all-time favorite movie.
Great Stuff! My kids always kid me about True West magazine every time they see a copy on my desk or any number of tables in the house, especially because of the number years that I've been reading it. But the last time (this Christmas) my kids visited us, my son in law asked me to play my "Tombstone" DVD and he watched it late into the night before he, my daughter and grandson were to fly home to New York! So who gets the last laugh? POP POP!!
Mr Bell thank you for telling this info . i have both movies and enjoy Kurt Rusells version the most....matter of fact i am going to play it now. Thanks again,
How about a sequel to Tombstone? Kurt Russell as a fifty-something Wyatt Earp, traveling to Alaska, living in Los Angeles, and mining near Vidal? Sam Elliott as a sixty-something Virgil Earp, working as a deputy sheriff in Goldfield, Nevada. Someone would have to write the script, but I think it would be awesome!
How very interesting! Amazing to know all the twist and turns in making these two films. Thank you sooo much.
Watched this with my son as we both love Tombstone. Fascinating! I think another saving grace of the film is its pace - it moves like a B picture. No fat, no slack. Costner had no one to say no to him, and no budget pressure. Russell was right!
Please make this a miniseries! "Kevin Jarre's Tombstone!"
I like the old west stories and you make them even more interesting, thanks.
Great stories of the old west. Thanks!
This is the coolest story. I will never forget, my first time in Arizona I was 12 years old and visiting a friends family. We went to Tombstone and I knew nothing of the story. Serendipitously, the movie Tombstone was in the theater and we watched it the next day. I was hooked, forever. I read everything I could and even moved out to Arizona to go to college at ASU in part due to my love for westerns! Thank you for this story! I really enjoyed it
Great job Mr Bell, I would love to see that miniseries!
Enjoy very much your shows, Thanks
Thank you sir! Enjoyed your comments about both Tombstone movies
The movie is good but I definitely think the original script would’ve made it a masterpiece.
Thank you, sir. It's sad that Costner's ego would go so low. I'm glad that possibly, providentially, the costumes worked out as such. Tombstone and The Outlaw Josie Wales are. 2 of my all timers. Thanks again for sharing your thoughts and good fortune.
Watched Tombstone for the umpteenth time two days before watching this video. Absolutely loved the information. Great job.
Loved this video, Bob! A Tombstone mini series would be sweet! BTW I clicked the bell for Bell long ago! Peace!
Great information and video hope to see more soon.
Hi Bob loved this video and thank you for your expertise and enthusiasm on all other videos about the old west which has been a passion of mine for as long as I can remember watching the Saturday night western with my uncles over here some of the films even had Gabby Hayes getting the girl! I preferred Tombstone over Kevin Costner’s Wyatt Earp but would love to see Kevin Jarre’s original script filmed. Very best wishes. Jim Harrison. Cheshire. UK.
Fantastic post, really enjoyed it! Tombstone my favorite movie hands down. Would love to take a look at that orig. script. Excellent!
this program, that you have now...IS WONDERFUL, Brother Bob !!
Only from 'Sir' BBB, can we get this kind of historical narrative, both stimulating & entertaining! (And, let's not forget, informative & educational!) Many Thanks to You Sir!
When they came out I thought Tombstone would be a classic. I love affirmation. Bob, you are spectacular and thanks . Legend wasn't bad just not Tombstone.
Amazing story! I would love to read that original script.
I would love to see the script resurrected as a mini series. I have long wished for a remake of "Big Jake" With Tom Selleck, Sam Elliott , And Wes Srudi. What do you thing?
If they remake Big Jake I hope they let dog make it through the end. And Sam too. Or at the very least have the ending reflect their loss. The ending seemed hurried
Wes I did very much injoy your video and would like to see more done like this, thanks much Bob.
Bob Wonderful Video. I can’t wait to read that issue of True West. I am going to wait by my mailbox. Feb/Mar? Ok maybe I wait inside. Tombstone is one of my favorite movies. Love the costume story. As far as Wyatt Earp movie. I loved the scene where the brothers came to get Wyatt for the Tombstone fight and the cup of Steaming coffee was left on the table. I always thought that was a nice touch.
I have been listening to you since the KSLX and Wild Country days. Lifetime mag subscription ( still can't believe you offered that). Love your work brother.Thank you for keeping the west alive and relevant.
I'm a little surprised you didn't mention Robert Mitchum's accident that kept him from playing Old Man Clanton. I know a lot of the opening had to be rewritten because of that.
"Fast Forward" ..., Excellent video and important information by "Bob Boze Bell" ! ! * So good.., I watched the video, not once.., but twice... Excellent video, and thank you for sharing the video and information. I may.., watch it again... Mike O'Brien in Montana :)
Great video as always Bob. I'm a little late getting to watch but Tombstone is one of those movies that I can always watch everytime I find it on TV. I have it and the Wyatt Earp movie on DVD. I'm 30 years old but I grew up watching John Wayne movies and Bonanza and Gunsmoke with my grandparents. Wyatt Earp was a good movie also, but Val Kilmer as Doc Holliday is the main reason I alway liked Tombstone better.
Great job Bob! Loved all the background stories. I could listen to you for hours! You are amazing....and lucky to visit both sets. I dream of being on a western movie set someday. See you down the trail. Keep those True West Mags comin'
This was FASCINATING! Thank you. I have lost track of how many times I have seen Tombstone; such an incredible movie.
Tombstone was SO good.....and so ICONIC.....if they tried to go back and do it all again with the original scripts it would fail....Doc Holiday is owned by Kilmer. Cant think of an actor that fill those shoes
Thanks Bob, good job from Tucson.
Interesting and informative information.
Like the way he presents
It bob’s knowledge of the
Western history is impressive. I watch all of these talks that I can finand almost always learn
Something
I liked both movies, I feel what made all the difference at the box office was you had to be a fan of Westerns to enjoy the Costner film, Tombstone had a lot wider appeal, if you enjoy, Westerns, Drama, Comedy, great writing, great acting great directing etc Tombstone had it all, up until then Rio Bravo was my fav Western and The Sting was my fav film of all genres, Tombstone is now the best I have ever seen of any genre, some of the greatest one liners of all time and there were many of them, the writing was out of this world and the delivery was just as good, Poor old Kevin had no chance with a comparison.....but that is nothing to be ashamed of cos it was incomparable, how it didn't clean up every category at the Academy awards can only be testament to the politics involved, it certainly wasn't anything about talent
Just found your channel. I used to listen to your radio show and have been a Wyatt fan since watching it on TV as a kid.
Of the two movies, if someone were to blend those two scripts and shoot it as a mini series, WOW!
The early life in Wyatt Earp, and the later in Tombstone would be a blowout.
Thank you Bob.
Bob, thanks for posting. You know I've watched the movie "Tombstone" over 120 times! I loved the movie so much I moved nearby from back east. I still live near Tombstone. I never knew any of this though. I'll look for the March issue when I go to the store this afternoon. P.S. I bought the magazine today. Very good!
I thoroughly enjoyed watching this movie. I got so caught up in watching this movie, that I actually felt as I were living in that time period! Love your story telling Bob! You definitely have the voice for it!
I enjoy watching your videos, and giving great insights to the way things really went down.
Great show. Thanks
Very good as usual!
This is great! Hope to see the mini-series.
I think you awesome, sir. I share your passion for the ole west but not nearly as knowledgeable as you .. I enjoy your books greatly
My two favourite "modern" movies are Tombstone and Legends of the fall. They both build into revenge movies.
I suspect that most people have un-resolved issues in life, so this type of movie appeals to them more than historical accuracy.
As I live in "Kelly Country" in north east Victoria Australia, I see that hero-worship is well and truly alive 140+ years after they hanged poor Ned.
Love the inside story of movies. This is absolutely wonderful
I would love for you to do a video on my favorite western of all time, lonesome dove
I just found your channel and I love it!
Tombstone may be the only western I have watched that reminds me of an Opera. And that is how I enjoy it.
I can describe Tombstone as a tragedy using only the title of a Giuseppe Verdi Opera, 'The Force of Destiny".
Each movie discussed captures the tragic nature of not only Wyatt Earp's life but many of the characters in each movie.
But, for me, only Tombstone makes me remember my favorite Operas.
Glad I found your video and will be watching from now on.
Being from Kansas, I laughed out loud at "Wyatt Earp's" depiction of Dodge City with huge mountains in the background!!
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Great channel Bob. Great movies and they should do all versions.
Enjoyed the insight. Very good job.
That was very interesting and I’m glad I watched it!
Excellent job, as usual!
Really good stuff Bob, keep it coming. Nice depth of detail and story telling in all your video and True West. The old west characters are fascinating especially for a westerner like me.
Great video Bob👌👌👌👌
Great job
Bob Boze Bell: I think I speak for a lot of us regular viewers when I suggest if you could do a series on the boomtowns of the old west in TV/Books or both, just as you did on the gunslingers. I for one, would love for you to take me back to Dodge City KS, Las Vegas NM and other boomtowns from the first half century after the civil war. Thank you so much.
Great job Bob and I sure hope you're right, it would be a treat to see the way it was originally written.
Really love the stories, keep them Bob.
Bob. Another great episode in your telling of Southwest history. I would love to meet you sometime and discuss a couple of my favorite topics. Back in the day you used to tell people to stop into the True West offices in Cave Creek for a visit. All the best.
Way cool... Thanks Bob
Really enjoyed the stories! Subscribed.
I have been a FAN of TOMBSTONE , since '93 . My friend and I have called one another Doc and Wyatt , ALL These Years . We have quoted their lines for GENERATIONS . It is my HOPE that we WILL NEVER lose sight of how GREAT this MOVIE 🍿🎥 was. We watch TOMBSTONE at least once a year , together. HOWEVER , I watch 3 - 4 times a a Year, especially on the Anniversary of the shoot out at the O. K. CORRAL . Loved everything thing about this MOVIE , the LOCATION, CAST ,and CREW. If I had been DIRECTING and PRODUCING this FILM ,I wouldn't change a thing . ❣️ AWESOME MOVIE ❣️ the BEST WESTERN 🤠 OF ALL TIME ❣️ ............ LOVE 💕LOVE 💕 LOVE 💕...... Yours Truly , Doc Holliday , esq .......... Thanks , Mr. Bell , for this Awesome Documentary .
I always enjoy your content. Thanks.
Interesting. I visited Tombstone once. Would be interesting to see all the clips cut.
i love the channel please make more and give us TRUTH in history!!!
Brilliant! Loved your story. Empathize with the boomer arrogance reference regarding writing a better script and taking your son to Tombstone premiere. Envy you.
Nearly destroyed my life in midlife crisis believing I could be a better screenwriter/filmmaker than most in Hollywood (digital cameras were just coming out) & set out to prove it! Now that is arrogance! Told my wife I’d give up in 5 years if I hadn’t succeeded. She lasted 3, I won awards around the world and met with some of the top names in Hollywood before my 5 year goal arrived. My reward was being divorced, penniless and homeless. But, in my mind, I succeeded! Yeah, a film in itself!
Thanks for your story on Tombstone & Wyatt Earp movies! Gripping!
Grew up with westerns. How do I get a sub to your magazine. Old west fascinates me. Always has. Watch your stuff almost all day. Wild Bill is my favorite. Wish I could've met him. Thanks for all you do.
We have physical & digital subscription options you can check out here: truewestmagazine.com/digital-plan-monthly/
Fantastic job again bob alwasys enjoyable and great information
Mike
Calgary, Alberta
Really enjoying BBB's commentary on this and other topics (just listened to the bit about the gun that killed Billy The Kid). Looking forward to catching up on more from True West Magazine and Bob.
Jarre is one of the forgotten greats; also wrote the painfully underrated “The Devils Own” w/ Harrison Ford & Brad Pitt.
Terrific commentary and passionate perspective .... as usual !
I think the boxing phrase you're looking for is Marcus or Marquee de Queensbury rules. Having grown up in Ehrenberg, Arizona, I know with the experience of what real Western desert is like. I haven't seen Costner's movie, but I'm pretty sure that it won't surpass tombstone as one of the greatest westerns ever in storytelling, in that they stuck as close to the truth as I think they probably could. And you're storytelling and magazine are the same way plus being entertaining to boot! I wonder if there's a way to get a copy of true West with maybe Bob's autograph? On it ☺️ keep up the good work Bob and thank you!
Absolutely brilliant. Well done.
Bob, for years, that photo of Kevin ? I thought that the person on the right was the guys' wife.
Neat to get the story about these two scripts . Thank you very much. Yeehaaw.
Turning 40 and i grew up in Sweden we had all the classic western movies, and yeah a rerun of Flipper .. and a theme park called High Chaparral (still exist, look it up)
Patrik. Edit. Shame he got fired. Still love that movie tho. Glad you got to see both sets 🤠
Great info.
Love this
Love your videos, they are always a lot of fun. Hey, since we are talking about movies, could you do a video critiquing Young Guns 1 and 2, and the movie The Kid?
Interesting behind the scenes walk through. One of the legal issues about using "a script" for a movie is that, once the copyright has been bought it's owned by the movie company and they can do with it as they please. Even if the script was optioned and then the writer paid off, it still won't be useable material. Basically, the original script is now dead. Same thing happened to the script for Robin Hood with Russell Crow. They messed about with it so much it was no longer the script/movie it was set out to be. The original script was owned by the movie company so it could never be used as the unique idea that got everybody interested in the first place.
Great video, Sir! I'm a big fan of your work!