why the music industry is terrified of bts
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Middle-aged me never paid for music before. Spending $60 on a BTS album was my way of thanking them for hours of free therapy.
Me too and I'm 47
Same. I'm 54. My best friends tell me they've never known me to be into any music as much as I'm into BTS music. Besides the few songs here and there, no other music catalog has touched me as much as BTS's catalog of music. 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
Me too. 55
Same
Same. I'm 39
The fact that they’re making bundles count again for billboard
I like your screen name 🤭
@@weakanklesfornamjoon thank you and I’m alway weak for Namjoon lmaoo 🤭
@@Yeonkimin_ TY I love how you get me. I feel seen! 💜🤣
BTS needs to do bundle again for billboard to ban bundle again lol
@@Yeonkimin_ Same 👀🐨🧎🏽♀️😌🤭🤭💜💜💜💜💜💜💜🇧🇷
Army should make a private telegram group chat or something and post all of our goals and achievements there at this point cuz I swear billboard be stalking our methods 😭
They will have a spy. It’s best to do it in the open as well as it will hurt the group effort Edm the effort to support becomes too multi layered.
@@Jurnalist_ yup being honest, as stupid as it makes it, is best. Still the fact they kill it in spite of all this ya know
I think the major point is not only that we know the money from sales will go to BTS, but more so that we know this kind of support is what allows them not to depend on industry and indulge into freedom of artistry and expression. we love their authentic music and we create an environment for them to make it without looking back
You are absolutely right with the army culture....what the west fails to realise is this is hard earned money. And these albums are NO WHERE cheap. So if we are willing to buy it then we have a direct purpose to do so. Especially considering the vast majority of armys are middle class. I am not a big merch fan so i dont indulge in it. Even not bts. And am not sorry because i have a budget and i rather prioritise it on the albums i love owning. And how can that be less organic than someone shoving some artists music right down your throat thanks to their massive payola. There is more autonomy in my choice to indulge than majority of westenr artists tactics. Besides, armys are not blind in their handling of money and when they feel frustrated with pricing. An example is hybe's recent shift to dynamic pricing with concert tickets. As of now only in US, but they hinted to eventually make it a thing for other countries and all hybe artists. Dynamic pricing works with artists that have less demand, or are still growing so it makes sense for many of the 4th gen hybe groups. But for bts, where the demand if anything is far more than what bts can even provide, dynamic pricing becomes unaffordable based on your luck. And many faithful armys, who to date actively make bts content and celebrate every small or big success or event, openly discussed their dismay towards such pricing. And clearly that has nothing to do with the love for the group but an absolutely fair raise of concern. Thereby, if we are talking about autonomy, maturity of adulthood, the understanding of the value of ones own hardwork, and prioritizing with what is needed most, there cant be anything more organic than armys with comparison to the state the west is in. So the hypocricy is wild when they speak about manipulation. The only one manipulating here is billboard itself!
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Thankfully they can't do it in the UK due to our Consumer rights laws and as we'll be buying on line for the ticket we are also protected by the Distance Selling Regulations. So the price first seen is the price you pay at the end it can not be increased. Advertised at one price means it can only be reduced not increased when you get to the check out.
BTS physical albums and merch still don't reach many ARMY in far corners of the world. I was chatting with ARMYs in Argentina, and they were telling me how they have never seen a BTS physical album in real life and that I was lucky to be able to buy them all in Japan. After 2 seconds of shock I realized, of course there's no company/label/music store chain distributing BTS albums in South America yet, I mean, they just got the Geffen distribution deal for North America only few years ago. So far, LATAM ARMY have to pay shipping fees that cost more than the album if they buy from the Weverse store. Shipping an album from Seoul to Buenos Aires is insanely expensive, still some people do it, very few, is my guess.
So, what we did is that we bought a suitcase full of BTS albums in Korea and Japan, and someone brought them with them to South America for selling or giveaway to the ARMYs they know, so they can see the real thing with their own eyes. Little efforts like this are very common. I wonder when LATAM will get a distribution chain that cuts the prices of shipping and make those albums available there.
I’m from Colombia and this is a Fact, is so difficult, I only have 2 albums for that reason, is so expensive, one of the albums I have was an album I asked my mom to buy for me when she went to United States and the other album I could buy, was when they had a distribution deal with Universal for Proof, still it cost me a lot, it was so expensive. I wish I had all their albums, but for us, Latin army, is so difficult to buy one, although sometimes our countries fan bases help us so we can buy the albums
That is so cool that y'all did that. And yeah, even today I still see that on social media, people just doing giveaways to armys who can't get the albums, or doing fundraising for armys who can't afford them, so that it not only helps the charts but actually gets albums into the hands of armys who wouldn't be able to get them otherwise
@@MarianaI306 Do any of the Korean stores (not weverse) ship to LatAm at all? I'm in Malaysia and I bought albums from Kpop stores online and the shipping is much more reasonable than buying from weverse, and if i buy from stores that are registered with Hanteo it still counts for the charts
bangtan will always thrive. they are happy and fulfilled. they've stated multiple times that they consider concerts the most important part of a singers' job and as we've seen from how much money they were able to make from their 11 sold out shows last year, i think they are and will be doing fine. im proud of them and i will always be here to support any shape or form. thank you for a great reaction and all the input
literally I wish this part of the convo would go away bc my fave music for decades was always middling on the charts. dgaf.
But I respect Bangtan’s goals and support charting when it matters to them.
When we fckg sit together BTS+ARMY like family and sing, laugh and play with no concern to this industry noise is the day I can die happy and fulfilled. 💜
@@weakanklesfornamjoon literally. I have not been able to go to any bangtan concert but even just watching clips online, I've never been this happy. I felt it a lot with yoongi on tour and staying up late to watch livestreams and vibe with the crowd even from home.
I burst into tears when yet to come in busan ended when I watched it at the cinema with other armys. it was a surreal experience. I love this community sm 💜
@@wmk0945 oh lawd I HEAR YOU my army chingu!! 💜 💜💜 TY for saying. I was lucky enough to be at D3 Vegas but it cost.
I do not have free spend for Agust D even though I planned.
I get JOY out of livestreams so f all the other noise.
We armys understand each other. Everyone else do not.
If they track email addresses we use different email adresses so that's why it has to be payment information that they collect to filter... and just filter 90% of sales there's just no explanation to the extent they go to! Deleting 100k sales (US) is just unheard of
And Proof standard album (last BTS album) was $51... and the compact version $18... that's why she says if they really wanted to really boost sales as their 1st logic, these prices would be cheaper in the first place...
We tested, its not payment. Buy in MAMA mode
ARMY'S are generous as f, my sis was a new BTS fan and when her classmate found out, they gave her a legit ARMY bomb and even gave her 4 BTS photo cards for FREE!!!!
New update: Now they gave her a legit BTS official album!!
I definitely bought the albums not because I wanted to own them. I bought them to make sure BTS gets the revenue, and to compensate the lack of, or zero radio play and unfair filtering on streaming platforms .
Oh how I wish bts albums were $15.99, $19.99 for my sake.
Being army means you like the music and you like who they are as people. I literally have at least one version of all of their albums since I joined the fandom (luckily because of bday presents/christmas presents). Even then, if I'm in target I always go to the music section to see if I can get a new era of music that I don't have yet. It feels so good to physically have their music and I've never felt that way about other artists. I only have a cd or two from artists I like before my bts days.
armys use different emails to buy. we perfected this after the rule change in 2022 and charted better with every other release since then till like crazy to reach #1. we contacted new buyers this time from facebook in huge numbers and donated money to those new buyers. but- anyways
Yes! We've always followed the Billboard rules. Before you could buy 4 tracks per email address and after Butter was #1 for weeks they changed it to one song per email, so army adjusted. We created more emails. Once Jimin went #1, they changed it again but haven't announce what they filtered.
Buy in MAMA mode
Oh no the situation with US radio is the biggest example of payola and industry tactics I have seen in my life. Every most requested poll has the BTS (solo or group) song at 90+% but they rarely play it. I personally gave up on them a few years back because they did everything possible to break through with very little in return.
@@graceb.334 exactly and it doesn’t matter who you put them up against either.
You’re definitely right about merch. I can’t afford to go out and buy albums all the time, but I do own one “Map of the Soul: 7” album and one “Love Yourself: Answer” album, as well as a t-shirt I got in Newark at BTS’ Speak Yourself tour. I feel like most ARMYs own at least one piece of merch. Heck, I think I also have a Mang keychain I got from a local bookstore that had a little BT21 stand and I remember buying a J-14 magazine when they were featured just because at the time I didn’t own an album and wanted the poster (that was somewhere around 5 years ago). Now if only my local target would restock “D-Day” albums I would also get one of them, cause I rlly wanna play it in the car without bringing my portable speaker (my car has no Bluetooth or aux).
I loved your commentary as usual, I am from Atlanta Ga , I’m a mom of a teen Army. We both have every album, I bought hers when she was younger now she buys her own. My husband and family members have bought mine. I have bought 15 albums to give away to reactors, and to folks coming to movies premieres. I will always happily support our guys. No shame to be found! OT7 everyday all day!💜💜💜
Yep. I have almost every BTS album, digitally AND CDs. It’s my way of supporting them plus some other merchandises 😂
Not only do we collectively buy a new release, we buy BTS's back catalogue! That's even crazier! 😅 Their music is worth buying from beginning to end.
💯💯 every new ARMY be scouring Facebook sales for their back catalogue - and not just of their albums, but also concert DVDs, Blurays, summer/winter packages, memories etc. all the way back to 2013. That's how you know it's love
I'm guilty of this! 🤭When I became an ARMY early 2020, I started collecting BTS albums and even their DVDs and Bluray (concerts, winter/summer package, memories). Been an active buyer of BTS merchandise ever since (even rare Merch from debut year) and never regret spending my money.
That is so true. As a fairly new army I recently bought Skool Luv Affair and O!RUL8,2? 😀 And had to pay the ridiculous shipping fees of the Weverse shop. I'm glad that there are a couple of local music shops that I can usually buy their CDs from, but not always the older ones - and even then you can see the shipping costs kinda added to the price.
Maybe it is because I'm older, but I always buy CDs of the bands and performers I like. I got used to buying music before any streaming platforms existed. (Vinyl and cassettes, anyone?) And since I also listen to quite a lot of metal, I've noticed that the metal crowd at least here in Finland still buys CDs. (Just my observation, I haven't looked up any actual stats.) So buying CDs is the normal thing to do for me. Streaming platforms can come and go, but if I buy a CD I still have access to the music I like. And yes, of course I use Spotify, because it's easy, but I want those physical copies too.
@@saaripolku I’m a metal vinyls buyer myself. I just started buying CDs with BTS. I really wish BTS releases more vinyls in the future. I bought Jack in the Box and Indigo Vinyls as soon as they were available. Greetings from Tokyo.
@@Dani.Torres In general I buy CDs these days, but I just had to buy the Jack in the Box LP in addition to the digital album. I need my physical copies, dammit. 😀
Hell yeah, I have a physical album. I have two, but I only started working a stable job this year. Im getting myself another for my next bday or something. Or Im getting that bts book that is being rumoured for June.
This essay's ending assumes BTS will not be playing the industry's games in the future. The way HYBE is playing these days, I can't be so sure.
Yo pienso lo mismo, confío en bts pero en HYBE no , HYBE se volvió tan grande que ya no están en la empresa muchas de las personas que guiaban a bts la forma en la que actúa actualmente deja claro que no es big hit que conocíamos
Sadly, you might not entirely be far off the mark 😞
I 100% agree that armys mass buying is a flex and is nothing to be ashamed of. As if any other artist wouldn't KILL to have a fandom that actually spends their hard earned money and buys multiple copies of their albums. They talk shit about army bc they know their artist doesn't have that kind of power.
I have never in my life bought merchandise or an album from an artist i like. Once I got into BTS best believe im buying albums and merchandise.
35:55 you are absolutely correct, we buy cause we support boys. How many artists who are ob top of charts built multibillion dollar company?
I think you're right on the initial reason Army buys multiple albums, to get the music in hands. There were Army organizations where you could send your extra albums for less unfortunate fans. I'd never heard of anything like it before or since
In the end records are sold, music is heard and ARMY keeps growing. I wish there could be another platform to stream music
okay hear me out, we are not dismissing that bts offering 2-4 album versions is a way to raise sale numbers and profit. the things is though, it always comes with benefits. bts albums are highly conceptual, so the filling is different from version to version in a way that reveals the concept from different perspectives, and it's disclosed what kind of aesthetic you will get inside the album before buying it, so you can choose if you need. often for buying a set you will be given extras. which is, yes, an encouragement to buy more than 1, but it's a deal where both sides are getting benefits
so yes ofc bts use steroids but they never half ass it, they give it artistic spin and they make sure the purchase is worthwhile :)
Direct support is absolutely a part of it yes, but also the albums are beautiful works of art with interesting concepts. If you don’t have one, you should get one just to see what they are doing. You will get it. I recommend Map of the Soul 7 or Love Yourself Tear.
I love that people don’t just horde extra albums or resell them, they give them away all the time to those who can not afford it.
But yeah, the music industry has definitely riled ARMY up.
Those two albums are the best recommendations.
BTS may hv different version, max 4 BUT they do not sell it with t-shirt, sock or anything just to get the numbers.
They really want BTS to disband but it's a shame there are so many ARMYs around the world😂
Funny thing is that they do all do this openly ,cuz when they abruptly deleted more than 60% of jimin sales without any prior notice ,weeks later they announced bundling rule again and two days later someone who we know as artist with most bundle tactics announced their comback and everyone was not even surprised 🤣Suga -haegum song had enough streams and sales to enter the top 10 on billboard global200 but they somehow made his song debut out of top 10 when his streams and sales were more than the artist at No.10. Spotify and UA-cam everytime fucks with us to the point they always have more likes on the mv than the views which doesn’t even makes sense . How other artist especially K-pop groups have more than 70M views with less than 1M likes but bts gets less than 500k views with 1M likes 🤣 they even filter out views after months and months but surprisingly doesn’t happen with other artists especially K-pop groups ,it’s quite funny and annoying at the same time .but bts sill stay winning ,in 2022 bts earned more than $118M only from 7 concert shows ,while other artist did the same numbers with more than 50shows .
im 24 and the only albums i’ve ever bought is from bts lmaoo
Aw you’re cute.😆🫶💜 you should see my cassette tape collection LOL
BTS albums are not $20, they're $60 each, often more, although the solo albums are about $25. And yet, they will still sell out the albums on their Weverse shop. The albums include photo cards, photo books, posters, and stickers in addition to the actual physical albums, which, to us, justifies the price. Also, there is usually some special event like a fan meet or, nowadays, a zoom call from one of the guys. Your name is entered into a raffle, one entry for each album purchase. BTS's label is a business and like all businesses, they want to make money. Because of that, they use marketing strategies, but the strategies they use are ones that ARMY willingly buys into. It is a K-pop thing for a group to have "light sticks", those lights you see in the crowd at a concert. Those are also about $60, but a LOT of non-Korean ARMYs have them, including myself.
We collect their merch and I've lost count of the number of people who have a bookshelf or wall full of BTS albums and merch. When J-Hope's solo album came out, it was originally only going to be available digitally but ARMYs were very unhappy about that. We actually want the physical copies and literally told Hybe that and they ended up releasing a couple of versions of a physical album.
You're right about us sharing the music. That's because most BTS music has a message or theme and their music helps a hell of a lot of us when we're going through something and genuinely need support. Their music often gives us that support, so, yeah, we want to share it with people. BTS' music has literally saved lives, giving people the strength to keep going when things are tough. At the beginning of 2021, I was extremely sick and had a fall. I was so tired of being sick, I didn't want to make the effort to get myself up. A BTS song helped me to find that strength and get myself to the hospital, where I was admitted for critically high blood pressure. I came way too close to have a heart attack and did have a series of mini strokes.
We love the guys, their messages and their music. I don't have the money to buy albums for other people, but I have loaned my physical albums to people and have shared music videos with my friends. Why wouldn't we want to share music that has had such a major impact on our lives?
Not only do we buy CDs, many of us do it despite having no CD player! 😂
we were aware of bb rule that only limited number of same purchases by the same email are counted towards the chart per week. armys know this and armys have a lot of emails
the thing is, in bb rules it's stated that the record of purchases is reset every week. so if you buy 7 albums by X email on the 1st week, it's going to be filtered and count as 1 (or 0 I don't remember), but next week you can buy again with X email
so there are two scenarios:
1. BB altered this rule and made it "1 purchase per email per LIFE TIME" instead of "1 purchase per email per week". but ofc they haven't disclosed anything so we can only guess and use trial and error method, again
2. they are tracing payment data
Before bts blew up... army would be giving out albums in public and pasting qr codes/poster for ppl to listen to bts.
I know right
19:40 oooo i remember everyone on twitter going: LETS GO FOR 7 SPINS hahaha it is still an ARMY meme hahah
41:45 I have a physical album of every album they have released even though I joined the fandom only 5 years ago. Map Of The Soul 7 is my favorite album and I bought 10 physical albums for all of my family members. I will do that for their next album as well. I can’t wait for my biases JK and V to release their albums because I will buy at least 30 albums each to give to people. I’ve already set up 30 different email accounts for this purpose…🖕 you billboard.
Buy in MAMA mode
Being an Army is tough😮💨.. on top of all this, we now have to fight hybe. I trust Tannies, but hybe is now doing exactly what bts would never want to happen to us. We already have a lot of work to do without having to fight #NoDynamicPricing. Hybe puts us in an unpleasant situation where we have to choose a) just pay more even though it's annoying b) refuse to support Hybe and at the same time make BTS vulnerable because other fandoms get to call them "flops" when we don't buy albums and concert tickets
6:13 We know this, Army knows about emails for awhile, but new info leaked that they’re looking at IP now - this was during Jimin’s 2nd week of streaming. How despicable.
First physical album I've ever bought was a BTS album. And it's not even available in my country. I had to pay additional intl shipping to get it. Same with every BTS album I've bought ever since then.
Its not email tho? Ppl don't use the same email to buy. Ever since bb changed the rule the last time bts were at no 1, armys change emails. they don't use the same emails to buy.
An email is used at check out. Even it it’s a new one it’s still attached to a numbered purchase with cart items.
@@Jurnalist_ we evolved to using newly created accounts with new emails not connected to previous ones, after the last BB rule change.
That's y we're theorizing them checking on the actual credit card/IP and filtering that which should be illegal
@@TheRita200 the new email for the new account still is an email that comes with one order of multiples of the same item. This is still a filter they can easily use I think to sort out and have it hyper focused to only affect Jimin as it has.
@@TheRita200 the other theories could be correct and may be the actual way they did it.
@@Jurnalist_
The amount of effort they put in just to be shitty when they could just be lazy and have organic success be properly reflected
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the way despacito exploted with justin bieber was so funny for latinx ppl, like it was a cute popetón song we danced during the summer and then completely forgot about because it sounds like all other pop reggeaton, and suddenly it became a massive thing in the us
Radio spins have always been an issue. In the past, US ARMY have been passionate in requesting BTS songs in radio and even gave gifts to radio DJs. However, radio stations constantly ignore ARMY requests. This is why US ARMY have studied BB chart rules, shifted the focus on sales. They are very aware about BB chart rules, such as the maximum number of purchases (songs or albums) allowed for each email account. Was a HUGE surprise on why Jimin's album sales was filtered to 90%, about 100k sales were not counted by BB, even when we followed the chart rules. 😞Regarding the multiple album versions, it is quite common in K-pop. ARMY usually buy several versions of BTS' album for collection and for gifting to other ARMYs who can't afford it. However, BTS is always heavily criticized when it comes to having multiple album versions or song remixes when other artists (even Western artists) do the same thing. Buying and streaming songs or albums is our way to support BTS. ARMY and BTS have fought with a corrupt music industry for YEARS. No matter what, ARMY will do our best to help BTS succeed.
I tend to break things or scratch them so I do sometime's end up buying an album twice. When I bought records and tapes I used to use the original to record a new tape or CD then safetly store the original because I knew at some point I'd have burn another CD copy as I'd break or scratch the one I'd burn previously. All my records, original tapes and CD's are even to day as new.
Never in my life have I ever bought an album for an artist. But I purchased Indigo Face and D3 just to support them knowing fully well (due to research) that this is ARMY s best way (for who have the means to do so) to support them. I spend my hard earned 20 USD plus weverse shipping. If I decide to buy for my friends like why shouldn't it count? Billboard acts like ppl are doing illegal shit like funding a terrorist group. Like come on
Lol idk why but i find it funny he keeps saying 15-25 bucks for bts albums 😅 😅😅😅 we def out here paying 3-5 times that xp
Un álbum de bts en mi país llega a costar como mínimo 50 dólares 😭 ese fue el precio más barato que vi la última vez que fui a la tienda
Artista making music for Industry or to get listenrrs will love their song then become fan...
So.. Singer will be happy if listener buy their music.. But Industty want that singer organic success because of their marketing strategics which the singer pay for it...
"I'm on the road paving that bitch" 🤣🤣🤣
If you have ever bought a BTS album, you will see that it's worth the 15 to 25 dollars you buy it for. They have different concepts, and they offer a lot of inclusions. They have a poster, a photobook, lyric books, and photocards, and postcards. Some also have notes that connect to their Bangtan Universe. Everything they do is intentional. Seventeen and Stray Kids are examples of groups that have used that concept of pictures of each member on one album, so they have 8 to 13 album versions, based on how many members they have. BTS has NEVER done that. But, do we see those groups with their albums songs in the charts and winning awards? Getting nominated? I haven't seen it yet. And you are correct, BTS ARMY will collect money to buy albums and have giveaways for ARMY's that can't afford the $20 for the album, so those ARMY's can have an actual album to hold in their hands. Also, some ARMY's cannot purchase albums because of shipping or lack of stores in their country that sell their albums.
Remember when Proof came out and all the songs from cd3 where cd only. My entire twotter timeline was disscussing which cd player to buy amd almost all of then have multiple albums already at home😂
And then there is me with a car old enough to not have bluetooth but a really nice cd player. Listening to dday on full volume on the car, 10/10 would recommend
Thanks for watching this! I really loved how boracity put this one together. XCeleste will give you more of a timeline and details and her focus was different so it’s worth watching on top of this for sure.
Look at BTS' top songs in US, Dynamite and Butter. These are the only 2 songs that Columbia records openly promoted for BTS, probably because they were the only ones in English. But they really rolled out tour busses to schmooze with the big radio stations, and the CEO of Columbia co-wrote Butter, so he had heavy pockets because of that song. So yes, the only songs by BTS that were backed by the industry are the ones that gave them their biggest successes in the West, even though they aren't even close to their best songs. It's unreal.
I saw a tweet from France army asking Armies who couldn’t get Jimin Album “Face” doe to money issues to contact them in oder to send them. I guess they mass buying it and send it to does who couldn’t afford for free and it’s not the first time they have done it
Same! I saw someone on twitter who bought 4 Face albums on Target everyday (Max. 4 daily to count in sales charts) and literally they had 2 shopping carts worth and asked Army to send in their addresses
My first time installing Spotify is crazy, i search bts songs and make a playlist for my favorite BTS song ....damn I'm so mad because there's a song that i dont know pop out of my BTS playlist. I just want to listen BTS song only for that day coz I'm so mad and want to relax. But out of nowhere this damn anonymous music came in my playlist out of nowhere what the heck is that Spotify? U recommend a song that we dont want to listen? Crazy huh.
While its not exactly a bundle, the photo card "lottery" is an extra incentive to buy multiple albums for some.
The first album of there's that I HAD to buy twice was "Dark & Wild" (I managed to break the first CD because it had been so long since I had bought a physical CD that I forgot how to remove it from the case.) That's when I found out about the different photo cards for each album, not just different versions. But I wont buy more than one unless its different versions and only if I have the money to do so.
J-Hope's solo album was only available in the digital version for a while, physical purchase but the music was only available through their app, so I couldn't download it to listen to it in my car, that's why I bought the vinyl album when it became available.
Yeah, i have indigo cd and BE album despite the high price of weverse shipping fee 🙃
Let's enjoy 🇧🇩
19:37 insert our go to meme "lets do for 7"
"Welcome to the circus." Great quote to summarize, bud.
its a full on circus that's on fire ran by the worst people.
19:15 we had a good ass laugh abt them spins for LGO my twt friend even created a quote we use with a drake meme saying “LETS GO FOR 6!!!!” when we found out they only got 5 spins 😂😂😂 lmfaoooo
Last time I spent money on music was many years ago before streaming platforms. Now I spend money on BTS online concerts despite being able to watch them for free anyway to show my thanks. If I could push my husband to listen to BTS I would buy BTS physical albums too as the only place I can play them is in our car. No one has CD players anymore in their devices. 😂😂😂💜💜💜
I don't own an album yet. No money. But I will real soon.
Hope you get it soon! Where are you based and which album are you first after?
@@giakulasa I live in Canada and I'm trying to get the MOTS 7 album first. Or the BE album. I joined after the release of Mots 7 and BE was my first album comeback.
One thing I will say, the reason why armys are buying so much is (a) they buy to give the albums etc to other fans who can't buy and (b) they buy to support BTS bc BTS only had army to support them (BTS themselves never told army to mass buy or stream, we do it bc we love the music and want to support the boys and also to kinda say a fuck u to the music industry
So I was naive in thinking that anyone's fans purchasing albums help it get a rating, like radio station plays, etc., helped the artist get their ranking.
Now I'm finding out the industry rakes in the dough when they manipulate and control the charts????? What a racket!!! So even more kudos to the guys as a group and individually, they are doing twice as much as other artists just to get any recognition on music charts! I ha v e no respect anymore for Award shows!!!! Criminal Investigation for sure!!!!!😡
Obrigada por mais essa reação a Boracity, estão sempre querendo derrubar nossos garotos, mas o ARMY já estamos calejados e estaremos aqui lutando por eles sempre, não importa a táctica desonesta que eles usarem não deixaremos nossos garotos sozinhos. 🥰🥰🥰🥰💜💜💜💜💜💜💜🇧🇷
Imma be that person to say i have the albums but legit i dont own a cd player atm 😅 i swear ill buy a cute one soon ...
We are TIRED 😩
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My man... BTS albums are not 15.99
it's not emails, hun. we switch emails. we tested, (it took weeks) and now we know what they did. it wasn't emails, it wasn't payment method. Buy in MAMA mode, amis!
What’s mama mode?
Also xp cellphones? Army bombs are whole as alive and connected interactive experience with the concert.
The TRUE funny thing is.... i have no cd play in my car nor house!!! Lmao 😂 i literally had to dig through my garage to find my old dvd player and cords to play my Face cd Christmas gift!!! Lmao 😂😂😂 just to have my kids die laughing at me because i could have played it on my son's ps5....Instead of going through all that trouble 😑 they almost got a whooping that day!!! Lol😂
I am unsure if the detail that BTS were the only Asians that made #1 Billboard is wholly accurate. Since she gave no detailed requirement as to what defines as Asian, then I would also have to consider Bruno Mars & Olivia Rodrigo, both part Asian, as also making the Billboard #1 top spot, however they got there. Or anywhere in the top 10 spots for that matter, not just #1, because in a chart of 100 & 200 positions, the top 5 to 10 spots in my opinion means you already made it big. Another Asian who made #1 Billboard was Ryu Sakamoto in the 1960's. And PSY only made it to #2. But yes of course, the majority of recent #1's in the past few years is held by our boys & Billboard started getting threatened by it, simply because we ARMY know how to play the game & any of their legal loopholes, thus why Billboard had to mysteriously change their game again just because they can. And it is a good thing that these types of things are being called out publicly, because ARMY did not cheat, it's Billboard that is cheating whenever they feel like it. Of course they could have fine print saying that they can change rules whenever. I have to wonder what Casey Kasem would have thought of this type of xenophobic shading by the industry he worked in, if he was still alive. Casey was Lebanese-American, thereby technically of Asian/MiddleEastern descent & would then be considered a minority in the US, famous for his radio pop music countdown show (also famous for Scooby Doo) that used Billboard metrics, of which I used to listen to. He was also publicly politically outspoken on different issues of the day, so had he been alive today & was made light of this issue, I wonder if he could have made an opinion or not, & whether he was for it or against it.
I think she's referring to Asians who are technically citizens of their country. Bruno Mars and Olivia Rodrigo are part Asian but are actually American citizens. It was Kyu Sakamoto (Japanese artist) who had a #1 Billboard Hot 100 song (Sukiyaki), and I think the song didn't reach the top spot in the Chart during its "Debut" (first week of release). Boracity might be correct in saying that it is only BTS who are the Asian artists whose multiple songs have DEBUT at #1 in Billboard Hot 100.
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Lol your name!
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i don't think billboard had any rules to delete the sales, bcz many used different emails to buy the song. and itunes x Amazon sales alone had 18k but they filtered too 😭 it's just billboard being racist
Your right numbers lie. I took stats in college and there 3 ways to calculate the medien which gives different results.
As a poor ARMY, I sadly cannot buy their albums. So I paint them. So far I already painted 16 BTS albums and I'm currently working on Agust D "D-Day".
I wish someone would be willing to buy them so that I can actually buy a real album.
i hope one day you do get them 💜
16:59 I know 3 no 2 ppl on this list. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I wonder if something bigger is going on.
Yes i do think how they treat kpop artists is wrong.
But what if they have a good fear will kpop hurt the music industry in the end think about it?
In kpop you have to be in your teens and have had years of practice so what happens to all the artest in there twenties and the ones that haven't had years of singing lessons.
There are alot of American artest who don't even get to be big till there twenties.
Is this the end of adult singers for awhile?
The only singers in Korea who get a chance are the ones who fit a criteria it is not based of talent we are luky that bts made it big cause of there talent.
And will it destroy all opportunity to artest who are just starting out in there twenties!
We may destroy adult singers who are in there prime
Aunque parezca increíble yo no conozco la versión de despacito con Justin 😅
I don’t know if I should suggest you to hear it. I enjoy him on it but I know it was a chune without him.
29:25 steroids!! Where's my bingo card? 🤣 I feel like the bundle thing is questionable because on top of the CD and the standard booklet, we do get posters, photocards and letters from the members where they share some thoughts about the album.. they could be considered merch? I don't know if maybe it's just standard to have these in all albums nowadays (I only bought BTS albums in the recent years). The choice of having multiple versions of the same album is definitely a way to increase sales, it's unbelievable how much money some people spend trying to get all the photocards! The person in the video seemed to feel a bit defensive about it, but there is nothing wrong with trying to make money with your music, it doesn't take away from their passion or ideals. They put these options out and people have a choice about how they want to spend their money... Now, dynamic pricing is a different story, but that's off topic for this video. BTS does and should use steroids to survive in the industry, in fact, I think they could do with making their albums a bit fancier 🤣 I saw Shinee Key's new album recently, and the creativity was off the roof! I want my boys to step up and blow our collective minds with the design of their next album
Yay you reacted to this!!! I'm so happy! After this video I realised bts will never win a grammy.
Also I think there is a interesting thought here where maybe for smaller artists is it ethical for them to conform to these systems??? Of course I think no lol. Buuut I can understand some who do.
Edit: kinda like what you were saying you would do. Shake hands with the old men at grammys to get it. I can see why you would and how you justify it, but also I can see the idea of not doing no shadiness.
That's why got kim jennie & lisa of blackpink to help ruin image & destroy bts
Yea destroy is a little hyperbolic don’t you think?
@@Jurnalist_ yes! bts fan will feel heart broken & sad when see those fake rumours without knowing the true, that is what they want, to reduce interest towards bts
@@nadnoeynosnatgnab respect I get what you mean now.
Hi love, you're echoing on my phone! Not complaining though...you sound good! But Boracity is.
Same I thought it was just me! I think the last bora reaction too had an echo
Bundles shouldn't count
right now yoongi is on solo tour and I am so proud and amazed when I hear armys singing korean lyrics like NOTHING! we actually just love the music, we listen to it, we enjoy it
😂😂😂 15.99 for an album? I wish! Proof standard was $100 in Canada. The compact version was $45. All the solo albums have been $30.
Yup, I've never owned an album before BTS. Now I willingly pay for pricey albums - my way of thanking them for hours of free therapy. 💜🇨🇦
I spent $60 on BE just because Suga's painting was in it!
This 👆 If the albums cost the numbers he was quoting I would easily own 3 of everything by now. One to open, one for display, and one to gift.
@@cnot4948 ijbol cos I feel called out 🤣🤣 sometimes I do buy multiple copies of album or merch - for using, for display and for selling/ gifting
Compact version of proof was only $19.99 for me. That's about the NORM for their albums unless it's like, BE or PROOF Standard or Skool Luv Affair SE. All the LY Series were 19.99. MOTS 7 was more but the albums were huge! haha
They usually have a cheaper "standard" version for albums, and then pricier ones where you get more perks... I always buy the cheaper ones 🤣 proof was 15£ for me, and MOTS7 I think was 18£... OhRUL82 was just 10£ Lol maybe it's a bit more expensive on weverse, not sure. They don't ship to the UK so I buy from resellers 🙄
The one thing that REALLY pisses me off about the 6 spins that 'Life Goes On' got on the radio was that BTS had the number 1 song on the charts when LGO dropped. Dynamite was the #1 song on Hot100, had been for a while and was actually getting some attention on radio and yet radio stations absolutely refused to give LGO a chance. Had it been any other artist who dropped a new single while already being on top of the charts, radio would have been chomping at the bit to play the new single...but all 'Life Goes On' got was 6 fucking spins.
Yeah, it's infuriatingly stupid.
bora city coming through with another well done educational vid. It's insane some of the things the industry does.
I would say they're tracking by emails too but one ARMY had that realization, there was a mass push to change emails with each purchase. Which isn't difficult since many ARMYs have anywhere from 10-50 email addresses used for BTS related activities. So when this stuff keeps happening and the fandom is warned of changes in rules, we have to start wondering how things are now being tracked. They love to gaslight and tell us and we're doing XYZ wrong as if we aren't one of the most informed and up to date fandoms when it comes to anything related to helping BTS succeed. If a rule is changed, we know about it and we shift gears to suit. It's been a cat and mouse game from all different sides for over a decade. It's not our first or last rodeo and they keep acting like we're silly fans who just don't know how things work.
The idea of such a big powerful industry being scared of BTS can seem silly on the surface. I think it doesn't really hit until you lived in the midst of the BTS take over. There was no doubt in anyone's minds who would sweep awards. No one even considered that anyone else stood a chance because no other fandom was riding as hard as ARMY was. It was exciting to watch and sort of overwhelming to see in real time. If BTS got 97% of votes or whatever was needed to win, every single other person up for consideration was holding a tiny 0.something% next to them. It truly got to the point where it was severely out of control and Western and Korean artists didn't stand a chance in some of these shows because they knew the moment BTS was a nominee, it was over. I think it got to a point where the BTS craze stopped being cute and started being a cause for concern.
I would imagine that many execs would be hella pissed if they're playing in the circus, forking out cash, doing the song and dance yet their artists are getting streamrolled because there was no real fandom backing to fight against a global fandom superpower. You know things got insane when one musical act can gain approximately 800 awards in 10 years when the first couple of years, they were still fighting for their life in a home market as small as Korea's was. They were probably messing with these folks' money since they're paying for these #1s and getting dust in return.
And the rule makers fail to admit just exactly how Western corporate-backed artists get ALL their desserts. Hmmmm payola be fun 🤔
Just curious when did ARMY figure out to use multiple accounts? Just curious on the timeline
@AMBER PEARCE bb made a new rule that limits the amount of purchases by one email per week that count toward the bb hot 100 and bb 200 charts. it happened 12 January 2022. after that armys started to rotate emails
We are still getting those #1 in bb soon enough. They can't stop us forever. They will try but we are gonna find new ways.
We spent weeks testing-we know what they did. Buy in MAMA mode
I definitely think she's being a bit idealistic by saying BTS' company doesn't have sales in mind when they make multiple versions. However, the fact that BE and several other albums were only 1 version (besides selling a cheap version and an expensive version) does support her point.
Our fandom thought of the email issue a while ago and already started purchasing music through different emails which was why we were so shook when Like Crazy dropped. The new theory like Boracity said in the video is that is doesn’t matter if you purchase BTS music through different emails as long as the billing address is the same the numbers get deleted. For example lets say an army buys music through 4 different emails as long as they have the same billing address the sales will get deleted. Like she said that’s illegal but its one of the few theories that seem plausible. We need to move our ass to discord bc I’m ready to start a riot
I've always been an indifferent fan. Even if I really like an artist, whether it's music, movies/tv or art - I've never been the type to buy tapes/cds/dvds/vinyls or digital copie. I don't buy or collect their merch. I don't follow their socials. As a holdover from my poorer days, I still sometimes stream movies illegally just because I can. Why pay if the internet has it for free? BTS is the ONLY artist that has gotten me to blindly open my wallet and part ways with my hard-earned money. I feel COMPELLED to buy all versions of their albums, I NEED to buy all their exclusive content even though there is so much free content I've yet to consume. I would gladly drop thousands of dollars on concert tickets, plane tickets accommodations & merch if I could. The only thing stopping me is I have yet to succeed in getting tickets to a live concert of theirs. Their last online concert I paid for all dates even though I knew I had work during some of them and wouldn't be able to watch. And I don't feel bad about any of it. I don't feel like I'm wasting my money at all. BTS works so hard and give so much of themselves to ARMY. Their honesty and vulnerability in their music and in their constant communications with ARMY have truly changed my life for the better. How can I not want to give back to them? I'm often too busy with work to keep up with streaming and charting goals, so I support them by buying. And they deserve every single cent I've given them. I'm fully aware that a lot of it goes into the massive corporate entity that supports them. But they need that support system so that they can keep on making amazing music and content. And I don't ever want them to stop.
I was and now I’m exactly the same as you!
I only got Disney+ after they announced the documentaries. And then I bought the documentaries on Weverse too. Am I going to watch them at the cinema? Of course, why wouldn’t I? And no, I’m not rich, I’m middle class, but it’s worthy. What I received from them is immeasurable, money is so cheap in comparison.
we still have an inside joke "let's go for 6!" after fighting for each radio spin to happen lmao
I know you say steroids and I totally understand your point but I must add that for a BTS fan or rather, for a K-pop fan in general, several copies of the same album are not the same. Why? Well because a big part of being a K-pop fan is collecting photo cards, different physical versions of an album, etc.
Kpop fans in general for many years are used to having at least two versions of an album because the "concept" in each one is different, different Photoshoot different photo cards sometimes different, posters, covers, etc, and again it sounds like steroids and basically it is but for a kpop fan it is not, we have been used to this for several years.
That's why it's hard for us to count it as steroids because we're used to it to the point of getting annoyed when an album has only one version.
the difference is that we are making a conscious purchase, we choose to buy the records for their different versions, whereas people who buy a shirt for another artist's tour 98% of the time have no idea that it also comes with an album.
I hope this message doesn't sound offensive in any way or that we don't know it's a tactic to sell more, we now it is, but we set a very clear line when it comes to steroids or bundles because BTS specifically doesn't put this into practice.
I just wanna inform that after this video uploaded, blink, the fans of blackpink doxxing bora and bully her on twitter for speaking fact, i h4te them so much for this
these kpop groups making 13 versions to make the fans bought bc of photocards are the ones that throw thousands of albums on the street, they bought just for the pc and thats it, while the company gets what they want: top bb 200 and ifpi
Cierto es común en Corea encontrar discos de K-pop tirados en la basura , si no mal recuerdo algo relacionado al K-pop fue prohibido en china por que pasaba mucho esto y era mucho desperdicio que había
You're not wrong about ARMY trying to spread BTS' music. In the past, I've given music to friends and other ARMY who couldn't afford it. And currently, I'm not in a great financial situation- so some of the albums I've gotten have actually been from other ARMY. My copies of D-Day and The Astronaut were both because very kind ARMYs gave them to me. It was as easy as "You're going without and I have an extra copy, let me send it to you." And it's absolutely beautiful. It just inspires you to try and do extra when you can, because you know you can help out.
ARMYs have giveaways and even go an hand out albums at concerts just as gifts to one another. We got this big because we wanted to spread BTS' music. There's a lot of us who have been really impacted by the messages in BTS' music and just who they are as people, we've always wanted to share that.
Being fans of BTS and being a part of ARMY, depending on your level of involvement, can be a really enlightening experience. You can learn about the music industry, video production, different cultures all over the world, wordplay through different languages, psychology, mythology, nature... like the list goes on for MILES. But even if it's /just/ the lyrics who take to heart, you can really grow as a person. And I think that's why most of us are here and do this. It can change someone's life or just make their day a little better- it's worth it and it's worth supporting the artists who help it happen.
You are correct, ARMYs will continue to purchase albums and support the guys. I purchase two albums many times, one to use and one as a collector's item. Waistful, perhaps, but I also feel BTS is a once in a lifetime group. As far as sharing the music, absolutely I do. Some purchase for others to receive, but I am far too cheap to do that. My way is to bother my officemates by making them listen to at least one BTS song each work morning followed by some other artist daily. We are hitting Mamamoo+ this week (subunit of Mamamoo that is comprised of Solar and Moonbyul). It is so much fun to see others discover the music. Thanks for checking this song out.
39:32 These are Army Bombs :) Bts´s official lightstick.
Spotify is so annoying, I’ve got some bts-only playlists for different moods, and Spotify always recommends other artist’s music for them. Yeah… very clever spotify, this is my bts rapline Playlist, I do not want other artists on it. And if I keep refreshing, it takes 2or 3 times refreshing to have no single recommendation from bts anymore 😂. Annoying.