This video is the most amount of actual content Burn has received in 5 months. Here's hoping the ESGOO curse continues and I will be seen as an oracle.
Ally with the most SP support passives aren't actually random anymore. It prioritizes the order you selected them in team, so Hong's support passive is really consistent so you just need to slot ish or gregor at first and second slot and burn count will flood in as long as you maintain one of them at 45 sp This also makes something like Burn Deluge/Burst or somethin pretty strong, so I just hope they do uncap it. Its not like its a game limitation to cap it
It gets funnier when you realize outis is one of only 2 sinners incapable of inflicting any burn through EGO... ...the other of course being Hong Lu, one of the few with a burn id Project moon release schedule is hella wack
@@shocksword6847There is a reason, you see Gasharpoon has Gas in it, Gas can ignite and cause fire, therefore Gasharpoon can cause fire and is hereby a poise, charge, burn ID!
@@besttoiletfixerever Any charge Essay just backfires making charge more overpowered, if he does, we are getting W/R Outis before even getting Farmwatch XD (We still remember W Sang no?)
Liu Gregor was one of my first IDs when I downloaded Limbus, and I did realize pretty quickly that compared to my other base sinners and other IDs at the time he had REALLY underwhelming coin power, even if I didnt understand the concept that well. However, he's still good to use in teams and also because he's like one of the cooler Gregor IDs to me personally. Sumn about him stands out I guess
@@funninoriginal6054 nah yeah, bro's quotes/voicelines with Dante in the main menu as well as his combat quotes are (metaphorically and literally) fire asf. Rosespanner Gregor was a close 2nd to me, then Zwei Greg came out.
Stigma Workshop themselves would be such a fun faction to see in Limbus... Workshop stuff and Burn stuff needs much more representation in Limbus, and Stigma is one of the most frequently reoccurring Workshop with stuff like supplying Dawn's Office with their weaponry and having a similar ignition device to the one used by Liu Association, as well as providing one of Ezra's more commonly used weapons. They could very easily have their own burn-adjacent debuff they inflict, given how their weaponry leaves behind intricate burn marks, being stigma. There's so much potential and it's just something I really hope to see.
I feel like if Stigma members appear as ids, they're definatelly gonna fill the half Charge half Burn gimmick like how Rosepanner Meur and Rodya does the same for charge/tremor and Rosepanner Greg and Wi Sang for Charge/Rupture
@@funninoriginal6054 Based on what we've seen from Stigma, their weaponry really doesn't seem too reliant on that of power to the extent of Rosespanner. The ignition device itself you could argue about requiring charge, but I don't think workshops and charge need to correlated all the time; there's a lot of variety for weaponry in a world so heavily defined by its logic breaking singularities!
me when im in a predicting the most random shit ever competition and my opponent is ESGOO: Seriously he fucking jinxed liu rodion and ryoshu, AND THEN PHILIPCLAIR
pausing at 16:59 the way you get Pride without any actual pride skills is using Meursault's Chains of Others, which shares the distinction of being an EGO whose sin affinity is not part of its cost with Suddenly One Day and Yi Sang's Dimension Shredder
One idea I have that would make for some more interesting status IDs (that'd benefit burn the most) are status-fueling IDs. What I'm thinking is IDs that apply one status type, but apply that status exponentially better against enemies affected a lot by another status type. For example, let's take an ID that has a 4 coin skill, it will apply one Rupture potency each coin, however if the target has 10+ Burn pot then it will apply +1 Rupture per coin, and if the target has 5+ burn count, then it will apply +1 Rupture count per coin. Doing split status teams usually ends up with a lot of status but lackluster damage from them, however, with IDs that apply a ton of another type of status when being fueled by large amounts of another status it will make multi status teams way more viable. And since burn is so easy to build up and maintain it will have the easiest time to activate the requites on skills for these status-fueled IDs, making burn a central hub that can pull off lots of different status.
At least this I’m pretty certain will have a solution soon. We’ve all felt what they did to us with Xiao’s unique debuff. But yeah, burn needs an accelerated effect. Also I’m praying for a seasonal burn ID for ryoshu, think of the narrative…
rupture teams are viable(talisman sinclair, the dimension shredder debuff etc...) sinking is also viable and is carried by rime shank, bleed and poise seem to becoming actually viable and better now(for bleed:hook hong lu, first mate yi sang, queequegcliff, kurokomo ryoshu and rodion, etc)poise(pirate gregor, blind obssesion ego and more but im lazy) the only unviable are tremor and haste
Liu hong lu is valid because once he reaches high sanity he can basically applly 6 burn count with his s2, which is nice to have to quickly set up burn on multiple targets
I love the humor in these videos. One of the reasons (other than the amazing editing) that this is my go-to channel for any in-depth info on Limbus. Also I can't be the only one that noticed the AoT reference at 18:27 lmao
I remember having this idea for Liu Sang, as seen in Hong Liu's pre-uptie art, having "[On Hit] If target has X Burn, inflict Attack Power Down/Plus Coin Drop" or something to that effect to give Burn teams a debuffer to assist with setting up risky-ish clashes. In my head he also used Praying Mantis style martial arts and looked so rad.
[9:38] One tiny thing you might have missed/omitted - Liu Hong Lu is arguably the best Hong Lu ID for spamming Land of Illusion, which is extremely safe to spam as it refunds the SP cost.
I think a burn team lacks the amount of gloom one needs to spam Land of Illusion. Costing 5 gloom per use is a lot, and the only consistent bringer of it is Nclair. Hong Liu has it on skill 3, for a total of 4 gloom skills on the burn team.
Sometimes i wish Potency/count didn't exist and was like in ruina that the effect was both at the same time. I loved doing bleed/burn teams there. While in limbus i just spam charge units and that's it.
I love Burn as a status effect and Liu as association (i like their colors, their clothing, "WHY DOES THE COMMON FIRE HAVE SO MUCH POWER") etc. And the fact that we have only 4 of the Liu ids is kinda sad. HOWEVER, there is a bigger meme than just this. May i remind you, who is the very first enemy in RR2? And why after the first battle half of my sinners ended up dead despite the fact that Doll haven't landed even a single hit on me? I consider this cruel and funny at the same time. Anyways, one of the solutions that i want to see is described below: Max count - 10. Max potency - 99. At the end of the turn, divide potency and count by 2 and deal damage, counted as (Consumed burn potency * consumed burn count), so if you have 30 burn and 6 count, the enemy will take 90 wrath damage at the end of the turn, leaving 15 potency and 3 count. Considering that you can't sustain really big numbers of burn per turn for now, the damage will still be considerable, but not too great, and coin conditions for Liu IDs will be easy to maintain. Of course, this needs to be balanced, but at least the average damage will be more than capped now in the game
"Suddenly, One Day" Have a 3 in 5 chance of dealing 6/10 damage, a 1 in 5 chance to just reduce equivalent SP, and a 1 in 5 chance to do nothing, unless somebody is also going to hit the target with tremor count. Uptie IV should have also added the relevant status count, so you get a chance to actually do something.
You know, something that I have been wondering for a while now... Why not include another way of dealing damage according to Potency and Count just like Sinking Deluge? Maybe instead of dealing tons of damage like Sinking Deluge,you can have something like "Combustion" or "Explosion" dealing X% damage to enemies depending on the Potency and Count and spreading the burn to the enemies and parts of an Abnor (since the Burn status likes to play with the spreading too)
We know Yi Sang and Faust are in Liu-verse so it's only a matter of time before we get them in the game. And we absolutely NEED a Burn-based Ryoshu; not only does she have 2 Burn-EGOs it's her whole motif! Or at least a good deal of her motif surrounding death and destruction. I wonder if she's a candidate to get Ardor Blossom Star? (We got Sinclair Faelantern so it's totally possible we'll get Ardor Blossom Ryoshu her symbol is literally a butterfly!)
P.S. I already liked how Molar Yi-sang, and regret faust, as well as Molar Oustis all did neat stuff with tremor. With the new Faust ID- I think we might see new things along those lines, and other quirky additions.
Meanwhile me maining burn since day 1 of liu and laughing at people burning at 99 damage, and canto 5. I will say the railway was a pain due to first two were anti burn. Surprisingly Gregor always would win in clashes that were hopeless. When everyone fails he still surprises and surpasses until Sinclair is in a mood.
Would love to see a breakdown for other statuses/comps. I always think Id like to try rupture or tremor teams for example but then I get overwhelmed clicking through IDs to see who is actially worth using.
8:47 "Most times this is random". Actually, it's not random at all. There was an EXTREMELY obscure change on October 19th patch that changed the order in which skill/passive effects activate if multiple characters fit the condition - it now depends on the order you choose the characters in. So if you choose Ishmael first and the entire team has 45 sanity (everyone is "1 ally with highest SP"), Ishmael will ALWAYS inflict more burn count.
It pretty much only needs one decent unit that can either burn burst or maybe a unit that uncaps the 99 max potency in exchange for burn count to make it as good as sinking. We got decent burn Ego's and Liu Ish and Nclair are very good on their own already.
TLDR: Maintaining positive counts of rupture or sinking or bleed to build any meaningful amount of potency will require you to spam egos and dedicating your whole team onto maintaining those counts. Burn is the only dmg debuff maintainable by fielding only 1 burn ID. Rupture: It takes a whole guide and a team designed for rupture counts to stack rupture... These IDs arent the worse, but they don't have the best clash and stats neither... Bleed: Bleed is similar, since just the boss clashing will cause counts to drop, and if they win or draws a clash, they will use even more bleed counts.. This archtype also lacks egos to power its counts. I can tell you off the bat that the ID with most bleed counts is N_faust and R Salt. N_faust avges around 4 counts per skill while R Saltonly avgs around 2 counts per skill... with Kuro Ryoshu at 3rd place of 1.5 counts/skill A boss will probably use anywhere from 6 - 18 counts of bleed per turn depending on how many coins he feels like using. The best way to circumvent this problem is focus all the bleed into one body parts.. but at the end of the day will still require several IDs to maintain the counts... I have to say, while salt is a good tank, both N_Faulst and Kuro_Ryoshu dont have very impressive clash, and you gonna need more of that to keep that count up.... and every turn your N_faust spend using fliud sac is another turn she couldn't meet her quota. GL with solving the problem of clashing boss skills... Sinking: I have looked into making a sink team and I can tell you there isn't enough good IDs to maintain counts properly.. Luckily rimshank exists and you will need to spam Rime shank on fights that you want to build sink counts on. Most sink IDs are count negative on avg... (count neg is when a char's skill has more coins than counts they inflict on avg, resulting in them draining counts instead of building them for counts that goes away on hit) Burn: Burn is the only debuff that you can casually stack and raise the potency You really just need 2 IDs with burn to maintain a burn stack that you can build to 99 potency, and Liu_honglu support and Liu_Ishmael can fulfill those roles while being high dmg/clash characters themselves without being a big disruption to team composition. Worse case, have a Liu_honglu support tag along can solve the count problem Conclusion Its easy to say "Oh theoretically this is op with 99 Potency & Stacks", But it may be difficult building bleed/rupture/sink stack. You may have to resort to suboptimal IDs and spam egos to keep the counts going. Regardless, Burn will still have the niche of being a dmg debuff that can be easily stacked without needing to dedicate an entire team for them, and most burn ego gifts in Mirror Dungeons makes maxing burn potency very quickly and easily. At the end of the day, I'm not saying "Don't make video", I'm saying "Make them responsibly" . Afterall, many people looks up to you and take your words like its the bible
Bulls are colorblind, at least partially. They just don't like stuff being waved at them- and have frequently been enraged by being stabbed for a while before being released towards the luchadors. >>
As someone that runs Burn teams (without N Sinclair because I don't have him) my own gripes with the IDs and EGOs are fairly similar. Gregor having a 12 power S3 is so unimaginably garbage and means has has to attack unopposed with it most of the time if you want to capitalize on its genuinely very good damage. Maintaining Count with Burn is weird sometimes if you're not fielding Hong Lu because you can just genuinely get dumpstered on by RNG and just can't get to a Meursault S3 or Ishmael S3. Ishmael's S2 applies 2 count on the 3rd coin when the target has 6 or more potency and can carry your count after you get your Burn off the ground. Unfortunately that can be rough in certain abnormality fights that have like 4 parts, unfocused combats, and abnormalities that like to summon adds. You either field more IDs to get more potency up to trigger Ishmael S2 and have better odds at skills with Count early, or you drop those IDs and hope the support passives affect Ishmael, since her ability to carry her own conditions solo using support passives is incredibly good. The difficult part with the 2nd method then becomes the early turns where you're action negative to enemies and without an evade skill to neutralize damage when the enemy doesn't have absurd clash power. She doesn't even use a guard skill to at least mitigate some of the damage if she has to take some in the first place if an evade wouldn't work, she has a counter and will eat full damage before returning with some damage and the single most reliable way to maintain Count at the cost of some HP on an ID that can't heal without allies and has no shields of her own. People using N Sinclair will have the benefit of S2 applying 1 Count on the 4th coin but only on Tails hit. Moving on to the topic of EGO, none of the 4th Match Flames are on a sinner with a Burn ID at the moment. This isn't super relevant though, as Yi Sang's is garbage unless his Burn ID pulls a Harpooner and doubles up on Wrath skills to capitalize on the passive. Ryoshu has some Burn on her base EGO but the main draw is the Fragile, although her own 4th Match Flame has the potential to do some great potency on an ID with high coin counts, and the UT4 has nuking potential in a Burn team. Rodion's could be a method of sustain for her Burn ID in the future, and Wrath Fragility isn't too awful, there's just no reason to run it at the moment when it competes with Pursuance. It's also always a negative coin? Moving on to some more useful ones, the Capotes. Meursault has a great EGO here. He gets the Tremor Burst via Burn Potency and then applies a heft amount of Burn Potencty at the same time. The self buffs of Haste and Wrath/Blunt Power Up grants him 1 power to all skills on the next turn (and 2 if you use Capote again) and the passive is great if he has 2 or more skill slots (he is not a tank). The only downside is that it shares a slot with Pursuance. Ishmael takes things a different way. This is less of a Burn focused EGO and more of a supportive EGO that benefits a whole Burn team with the all allies Wrath DMG Up, and against a boss target that has SP (thanks Canto 5) the 15 SP loss for the target(s) is a nice buffer for your team. As far as actual Burn goes though, it doesn't do as much Potency as Meursault and it's Tremor Burst is stuck to the corrosion with no conversion from Burn Potency to fuel it. The passive is nice extra damage for Ishmael to speedrun the end of someone's life, though. The next set of Burn EGO we have is one I reluctantly include, Lifetime Stew. Not much to talk about, Don's has some Count on it while Sinclair either has Potency or Count on Corrosion. Nobody uses these for Burn, even if Sinclair has an ID with Burn, his Stew is better for sustain. The latest pair of EGO to have Burn is 9:2 on the current pass. To make is simple, Sinclair's 9:2 is again not much of a Burn EGO, its potency is pitiful and the real utility it has is making N Sinclair's S2 nuke his own SP even further than it normally does giving him better odds for landing tails. Faust's 9:2 looks like it holds some potential. The passive has the ability to add 6 Potency on any given turn for getting 6 Heads Hits with Lust skills, and it's not +1 Burn, it's just 1 Burn meaning the coin doesn't need to have it's own Burn but it would still apply the additional Burn if it did. The Burn that is applied by the EGO itself isn't anything special, and actually rather lacking, but what it can do is convert some of your Potency into DL Down next turn, up to 10 DL Down from 20 Potency. I will not claim to know exactly how that factors into damage calculations, but that's a hefty amount of DL Down. Hong Lu's Roseate Desire is only 4 DL Down (5 at UT4). 20 Potency sounds like a lot but in a Burn team you're easily able to apply that much in the first 1-3 turns depending on skill RNG. If Liu Faust is released (we see a glimpse of her in one of the other Liu arts) with say, a 3 coin Lust S2 or opts to do what Harpooner did and double down on Lust, then this EGO will have a lot of potential and the best part is that it doesn't compete with Fluid Sac. Finally, we reach Ardor Blossom Star. This is arguably one of the strongest offensive EGO in the game in general alongside yes, having the best EGO art in the game. It rolls 43 without needing UT4 (Looking at you, Meursault Capote going from 35 to 45) and despite the EGO itself not doing too much Burn, needing Wrath Resonance to get Potency, raising the Stagger Threshold by a portion of damage dealt is just good utility and the passive is the single most reliable way to spread Potency across a group without sacrificing single target Potency like Meursault does. If you don't have this EGO you should get it, and if you do have it, go fight Ricardo with it because this thing obliterates his Stagger and it's not even funny. Genuinely makes the fight kind of easy. I didn't touch on resource gen for any of them but I do want to note that the only EGO that can be self fueled by their own Burn ID are Ardor Ish (Liu) and Capote Meur (Liu). Capote Ish and 9:2 Sinclair (Also Forest of the Flames if you want to count that as a Burn EGO) are both fueled by the current Burn team setup and have IDs that fit the team. Don's Stew is all Lust but she doesn't have an ID for the team, and every other EGO mentioned needs Gluttony or Pride so they just don't fit in to the current team anyway, since the replacement for Liu Meurault, Middle Meursault, just trades out Lust for Envy. Liu Faust is around the corner, I swear. 9:2 is a sign that she will be arriving this season. Faust definitely needs more good IDs she has absolutely nothing worth using ever in any situation :) She'll arrive with Yi Sang because he also totally needs more good IDs with nothing worth using in most cases :)))))))))))))))) They're in Liu Hong Lu's first ID art therefore they must be somewhere! I do think that there's room for something like a Burst/Deluge that's specific to Burn considering Ruina had Force of a Wildfire which applied Burn to someone's allies when they got staggered, and you could come up with something engaging for an "Ignition" kind of effect. Force of a Wildfire in Limbus could make stacking Burn on multiple abnormality parts something that's relatively reasonable to do in a timely manner.
guys i think ESGOO is distorting like willi ok so, here's my idea of "burn deluge" it deals potency+count damage, and spreads (damage done)/4 burn and burn count on other enemies
Wild idea for a burn buff: another sinking deluge/tremor burst effect! No but like actually, what if we had another one of those effects that centered around spreading the fire stacks from one enemy to the rest (you know, like fire spreads irl) and maybe doing a bit of extra damage on the original target based on burn count, just maybe. Call it Spreading Fire or something and you're good to go
Some personal thoughts on the burn archetype, been playing pretty much exclusively burn based comps since I started playing around Hell's Kitchen. General Teamcomp Building: - Besides just splashing in Good Clashers, the most success I found with the burn core was by splashing it into an N corp core, using Nsalt over Liu. Comp is as follows: Liu Gregor Liu Ishmael (Capote, ABS) Liu Hong Lu Support Nclair (Impending, 9:2) Nsalt (Capote/Pursuance) Nfaust (Hex/9:2, Fluid) Ncliff N Don (Stew, ran as the 7th or over Ncliff if running 9:2 Faust) - Liu Ish speaks for itself, slap on Capote and ABS and pump damage. - Gregor goes first pretty often in this composition which allows you to stack count and potency really easily with an S2 or 3, often ends up being a clash bot with SOD after the first couple turns which can occasionally be nice to you and roll burn. - Since 9:2 Faust is the only Gluttony user in this composition, Ndon can effectively fuel it with her S2. - This comp produces A LOT of Lust, making Stew Don a very powerful combo with Corroded Capote for a total of 10 burn and 3 burn count across 3 enemies. - This is probably the best comp at taking advantage of Nclairs Uptie IV and S3's bleed condition when running 7 man lineups. - 9:2 Sinclair is one of the composition's better Nuke EGO's, only really being beaten in damage output by ABS, corroding is however much more risky when you run this ego - and just running Impending Day solo instead may be the better option. - Ncliff does a really good job of providing EGO resources for both Hex Nail and Fluid Sac, along with invoking his UT4 Passive and providing that valuable coin drop on S2, but lacks any good EGO to support the composition. - Hex Nail vs 9:2 Faust are both good options that provide different advantages to the composition, 9:2 provides up to 10 def down and is consistently able to proc, since it is the only EGO consuming gluttony within this comp it is relatively easy to access provided you are willing to run Ndon over Ncliff. Hex Nail meanwhile adds a lot of nails to the comp and consumes envy which is more readily available, but will contest the envy that fluid sac tends to take monopoly over. - Capote vs. Pursuance on Mersault is preference, Pursuance has more consistent use cases - Corroded Capote is unmatched if you need to get the ball rolling with burn but you need to find burn count on those units to support it, which doing consistently without Stew Don is pretty hard. - Nsalt is probably the unit I'm least confident about in this comp, as even within Nails compositons his performance as a Tank still feels middling, K corp Hong Lu isn't an option since LiuLu being on the bench is pretty vital to our burn engine, same deal with Zwei Gregor which is unfortunate since both of them would be solid gluttony engines otherwise, if you don't run Nsalt your best option is probably just to either forego a tank and run LiuSalt or just slam Dieci Rodion here due to her raw strength, if you do choose to drop Nsalt it is pretty much always Ndon over Ncliff, as his UT4 passive is no longer active in 6 man lineups. - Praying for a Liu Ryoshu ID to fill in this gap considering just how stacked her EGO lineup is for the burn suite.
As a Burn Guy, you've hit the nail on the head...except ONE thing. At least during my most recent MD3 run, because that's when I remembered it was a thing. So you know that 99 burn 99 count issue? That's true....except against enemies with multiple parts (so most abnormalities). Burn's cap is 99 damage per part, which while calculated individually will be collated and shown on the main body. So you CAN burn an abnormality some enemies a bit more than 99/turn, which is nice? The ease at which you hit the cap at least makes grinding through the high HP bosses of MD3 reasonable, since your weaker clashers can use EGO to contribute while you build up stakcs, then do one sided attacks while other units continue clashing. I am hoping that, like you said, burn becomes a resource you can remove from an enemy for more effects, like Faust's burn EGO. It's trivially easy to gain and maintain (especially in a mirror dungeon with burn gifts).
One solution they can do to fix burn is having an enemy with burn take damage based on how much attack slots/weight they currently have and subtract it by count. For example, if an enemy/body part has 5 attack slots, 20 burn, and 8 count, they would take a total of 100 damage at the end but have 3 count left, and next turn with 3 count, they would only take 60 damage and have zero burn count at the end. This would completely remove the need for uncapping burn while also forces players to do something about burn count. This is also accurate to how I imagine what pmoon wanted for liu association to be, an all-out war with fire spread.
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Ally with the most SP support passives aren't actually random anymore. It prioritizes the order you selected them in team, so Hong's support passive is really consistent so you just need to slot ish or gregor at first and second slot and burn count will flood in as long as you maintain one of them at 45 sp
This also makes something like Burn Deluge/Burst or somethin pretty strong, so I just hope they do uncap it. Its not like its a game limitation to cap it
Video outdated before it was released. A finger curls on the monkey’s paw
I think this is a new land speed record for ESGOO Outdatedness.
Don’t worry fam, it’s aight, just need a little pinned comment or something
Bro thanks for the SP bit that shit fuckin helps
"If we ever got a Philip Sinclair" lmao
17:40 Man really willed Outis into existence
It gets funnier when you realize outis is one of only 2 sinners incapable of inflicting any burn through EGO...
...the other of course being Hong Lu, one of the few with a burn id
Project moon release schedule is hella wack
GUESS WHAT
And now Philip Sinclair into existence
ESGOO has discovered his stand ability. It causes Project Moon to contradict whatever he says in a video
quick esgoo say about ways to make charge more braindead!!
Inb4 Ahab Ishmael turns out to be a burn ID for literally no reason whatsoever.
An aberration of Pat's [CRAZY TALK]!
@@shocksword6847There is a reason, you see Gasharpoon has Gas in it, Gas can ignite and cause fire, therefore Gasharpoon can cause fire and is hereby a poise, charge, burn ID!
@@besttoiletfixerever Any charge Essay just backfires making charge more overpowered, if he does, we are getting W/R Outis before even getting Farmwatch XD (We still remember W Sang no?)
ESGOO: "burn is meh"
Limbus: "RELEASE THE BURN OUTIS!!!"
15:24 You predicted Philip sinclair 4 monts in advance, esgoo curse is real 😭
based commenter right here
Now comes a new era of the reverse ESGOO curse, where anything mentioned in a video won't come to fruition.
Classic desire sensor in full swing.
Just you wait until we get Liu Faust and Liu Sang... Someday... Hopefully.
(I-lost-count-how-many hours of Burn team copium)
If that happens, Esgoo will definitely release a video talking about how he wishes for more charge IDs
@@BowlofColdSouponly for THAT to reset the curse back to everything becoming outdated
How do you feel now
Holy shit his curse worked.
Filip Sinclair to,
He predict him
Holly
it's hilarious how ESGOO somehow predicted both the 000 Outis and the 00 Ryoshu
Philip
I love how fitting the background music is, being “The Fire is gone” from Ultrakill’s OST
Oh the irony, considering what we hope the ESGOO curse does…
Liu Gregor was one of my first IDs when I downloaded Limbus, and I did realize pretty quickly that compared to my other base sinners and other IDs at the time he had REALLY underwhelming coin power, even if I didnt understand the concept that well.
However, he's still good to use in teams and also because he's like one of the cooler Gregor IDs to me personally. Sumn about him stands out I guess
It's 100% that swag ass uptie 3 pose and cool as fuck gauntlet. Bro might not be the strongest id but he certainly hits hard appearance wise
Same until I got Zwei then I trashed him the smoking S3 really like it
@@funninoriginal6054 nah yeah, bro's quotes/voicelines with Dante in the main menu as well as his combat quotes are (metaphorically and literally) fire asf. Rosespanner Gregor was a close 2nd to me, then Zwei Greg came out.
Ironically, to me it was the contrary- when I used to go with him, he seemed OP even
And thus PMoon released 30 Charge IDs and EGOs at the same time just to spite ESGOO
burn charge………
As predicted by the great prophet ESGOO, Philip sinclair never wants to run 9:2 and would actually rather run soup over it
thought you were gonna start by saying “i. am. *FIIIIREEEEE-* “
Glad I'm not the only 1
Holy shit, predicted fuckin philipclair happening
Update: Burn is now back with magic bullet Outis-
Stigma Workshop themselves would be such a fun faction to see in Limbus... Workshop stuff and Burn stuff needs much more representation in Limbus, and Stigma is one of the most frequently reoccurring Workshop with stuff like supplying Dawn's Office with their weaponry and having a similar ignition device to the one used by Liu Association, as well as providing one of Ezra's more commonly used weapons.
They could very easily have their own burn-adjacent debuff they inflict, given how their weaponry leaves behind intricate burn marks, being stigma. There's so much potential and it's just something I really hope to see.
I feel like if Stigma members appear as ids, they're definatelly gonna fill the half Charge half Burn gimmick like how Rosepanner Meur and Rodya does the same for charge/tremor and Rosepanner Greg and Wi Sang for Charge/Rupture
You know PM hates burn when their baby Hong Lu who usually gets busted IDs gets a fairly average one for burn
Okay, but would it be neat if one ID just had a flamethrower.
@@funninoriginal6054 Based on what we've seen from Stigma, their weaponry really doesn't seem too reliant on that of power to the extent of Rosespanner. The ignition device itself you could argue about requiring charge, but I don't think workshops and charge need to correlated all the time; there's a lot of variety for weaponry in a world so heavily defined by its logic breaking singularities!
Honestly, at this point I'd take a taste of Lulu's flaming bat, if that meant more burn.
congratulations, you did it, you manifested Magic Bullet Outis into reality
Sooo, Philip Sinclair?, okay, this really aged like wine
me when im in a predicting the most random shit ever competition and my opponent is ESGOO:
Seriously he fucking jinxed liu rodion and ryoshu, AND THEN PHILIPCLAIR
pausing at 16:59 the way you get Pride without any actual pride skills is using Meursault's Chains of Others, which shares the distinction of being an EGO whose sin affinity is not part of its cost with Suddenly One Day and Yi Sang's Dimension Shredder
philip sinclair.. huh..? esgoo curse is real..
bro actualy got hexed by project moon 😭😭😭
15:22 Esgoo, please, become a prophet
One idea I have that would make for some more interesting status IDs (that'd benefit burn the most) are status-fueling IDs. What I'm thinking is IDs that apply one status type, but apply that status exponentially better against enemies affected a lot by another status type.
For example, let's take an ID that has a 4 coin skill, it will apply one Rupture potency each coin, however if the target has 10+ Burn pot then it will apply +1 Rupture per coin, and if the target has 5+ burn count, then it will apply +1 Rupture count per coin.
Doing split status teams usually ends up with a lot of status but lackluster damage from them, however, with IDs that apply a ton of another type of status when being fueled by large amounts of another status it will make multi status teams way more viable. And since burn is so easy to build up and maintain it will have the easiest time to activate the requites on skills for these status-fueled IDs, making burn a central hub that can pull off lots of different status.
15:25 ESGOO predicting the phillip sinclair id
They'll be making us a good Burn ID with good burn buffs next week ESGOO. Your curse activates once more.
well, they’re releasing new liu ids now.
So this video really was made before Outis and Rodion got their burn IDs LMAO
3 weeks later, one of the few sinners without a burn ego gets a burn id that offers better burst damage for the status
Walpurgis Outis called, she wants to bring more Burn Synergy to you
At least this I’m pretty certain will have a solution soon. We’ve all felt what they did to us with Xiao’s unique debuff. But yeah, burn needs an accelerated effect.
Also I’m praying for a seasonal burn ID for ryoshu, think of the narrative…
You can use chef Ryoshu as a "pseudo" burn id if you get lucky enough to get fiery down in mirror dungeons
Yeah, Burn needs something akin to Sinking Deluge.
thanks esgoo
Burn went from being bad to being THE status for MD.
Welp. Liu IDs are here.
Very cool. Only rupture, poise, sinking, bleed, tremor, and haste left. My condolences :)
rupture teams are viable(talisman sinclair, the dimension shredder debuff etc...) sinking is also viable and is carried by rime shank, bleed and poise seem to becoming actually viable and better now(for bleed:hook hong lu, first mate yi sang, queequegcliff, kurokomo ryoshu and rodion, etc)poise(pirate gregor, blind obssesion ego and more but im lazy) the only unviable are tremor and haste
-"no plus coin sinc with a lust skill"
-"no liu banner"
wow he really is cursed
Project Moon: drops Liu Faust and Liu Yi Sang right after this
Everyone else: all hail Lord ESGOO
(Copium)
At this point, I am convinced PM probally have a massive screen playing this video on loop in their room.
New Cinq ID will be tremor charge burn!!! Let's go!!! Esgoo curse strikes once again!!!!
Thank you for your service
sinclair also needs more negative sanity ids
also i can totally see philipclait being a negative sanity id
Me coming back to this video because funni magik gun
Thank you ESGOO, can't wait to see tomorrow an announce of Liu banner
lilu faust BETTER have a gluttony s1
Liu hong lu is valid because once he reaches high sanity he can basically applly 6 burn count with his s2, which is nice to have to quickly set up burn on multiple targets
Yeah, I don't get why ESGOO missed that part of the Skill 2 its even in the video haha.
I love the humor in these videos. One of the reasons (other than the amazing editing) that this is my go-to channel for any in-depth info on Limbus. Also I can't be the only one that noticed the AoT reference at 18:27 lmao
17:00 The multitude tightens its hold...
The giant corpse under pmoon HQ they use to create new ids and egos has reawakened
15:26 MY MAANNNN
I remember having this idea for Liu Sang, as seen in Hong Liu's pre-uptie art, having "[On Hit] If target has X Burn, inflict Attack Power Down/Plus Coin Drop" or something to that effect to give Burn teams a debuffer to assist with setting up risky-ish clashes.
In my head he also used Praying Mantis style martial arts and looked so rad.
[9:38] One tiny thing you might have missed/omitted - Liu Hong Lu is arguably the best Hong Lu ID for spamming Land of Illusion, which is extremely safe to spam as it refunds the SP cost.
I think a burn team lacks the amount of gloom one needs to spam Land of Illusion. Costing 5 gloom per use is a lot, and the only consistent bringer of it is Nclair. Hong Liu has it on skill 3, for a total of 4 gloom skills on the burn team.
@@meeszijlstra5426 Dude, Liu Hong Lu has Gloom on his SKILL 1, NOT SKILL 3???
Sometimes i wish Potency/count didn't exist and was like in ruina that the effect was both at the same time. I loved doing bleed/burn teams there. While in limbus i just spam charge units and that's it.
I love Burn as a status effect and Liu as association (i like their colors, their clothing, "WHY DOES THE COMMON FIRE HAVE SO MUCH POWER") etc. And the fact that we have only 4 of the Liu ids is kinda sad. HOWEVER, there is a bigger meme than just this.
May i remind you, who is the very first enemy in RR2?
And why after the first battle half of my sinners ended up dead despite the fact that Doll haven't landed even a single hit on me?
I consider this cruel and funny at the same time.
Anyways, one of the solutions that i want to see is described below:
Max count - 10. Max potency - 99. At the end of the turn, divide potency and count by 2 and deal damage, counted as (Consumed burn potency * consumed burn count), so if you have 30 burn and 6 count, the enemy will take 90 wrath damage at the end of the turn, leaving 15 potency and 3 count. Considering that you can't sustain really big numbers of burn per turn for now, the damage will still be considerable, but not too great, and coin conditions for Liu IDs will be easy to maintain.
Of course, this needs to be balanced, but at least the average damage will be more than capped now in the game
"Suddenly, One Day"
Have a 3 in 5 chance of dealing 6/10 damage, a 1 in 5 chance to just reduce equivalent SP, and a 1 in 5 chance to do nothing, unless somebody is also going to hit the target with tremor count.
Uptie IV should have also added the relevant status count, so you get a chance to actually do something.
May the burn fans eat well in the future, I may not be one currently but if they improve burn I may be a dual poise and burn fan in the future
Nah, they just waited for him to forget and decided to cook for walprugisnaht.
i will NOT miss a single second of this video esgoo!!!!!!!🗣
Can't wait for the next Burning IDs in the next weeks following your curse! Thank you!
it actually worked
@@greyviscount.78
The curse is real.
Now let's wait for the next prediction.
Magic Bullet Outis says hello.
You know, something that I have been wondering for a while now... Why not include another way of dealing damage according to Potency and Count just like Sinking Deluge? Maybe instead of dealing tons of damage like Sinking Deluge,you can have something like "Combustion" or "Explosion" dealing X% damage to enemies depending on the Potency and Count and spreading the burn to the enemies and parts of an Abnor (since the Burn status likes to play with the spreading too)
Like a fucking Oracle this one is
So there was once a time when you talked about lifetime stew in a positive manner
Thank you so much for working on the videos. This is fire 🔥 🔥 🔥
We know Yi Sang and Faust are in Liu-verse so it's only a matter of time before we get them in the game.
And we absolutely NEED a Burn-based Ryoshu; not only does she have 2 Burn-EGOs it's her whole motif! Or at least a good deal of her motif surrounding death and destruction.
I wonder if she's a candidate to get Ardor Blossom Star? (We got Sinclair Faelantern so it's totally possible we'll get Ardor Blossom Ryoshu her symbol is literally a butterfly!)
P.S. I already liked how Molar Yi-sang, and regret faust, as well as Molar Oustis all did neat stuff with tremor.
With the new Faust ID- I think we might see new things along those lines, and other quirky additions.
suddenly, one day
Kim Jihoon: liu faust with 20 burn apply
After this update, the new fishy ishy is going to be a burn based unit now.
chains of others does not cost pride, it costs gloom, sloth and envy!! it will generate one pride :>
pls gib 3 esgoo points mr. esgoo!!!
also you might've cut out 'ends now' from 'this video.... ends now.'
Meanwhile me maining burn since day 1 of liu and laughing at people burning at 99 damage, and canto 5. I will say the railway was a pain due to first two were anti burn. Surprisingly Gregor always would win in clashes that were hopeless. When everyone fails he still surprises and surpasses until Sinclair is in a mood.
Burned away ..... All burned away by the White Ashes....
If fire dealt a percentage of health damage...
Would love to see a breakdown for other statuses/comps. I always think Id like to try rupture or tremor teams for example but then I get overwhelmed clicking through IDs to see who is actially worth using.
8:47 "Most times this is random". Actually, it's not random at all. There was an EXTREMELY obscure change on October 19th patch that changed the order in which skill/passive effects activate if multiple characters fit the condition - it now depends on the order you choose the characters in. So if you choose Ishmael first and the entire team has 45 sanity (everyone is "1 ally with highest SP"), Ishmael will ALWAYS inflict more burn count.
still can't run away from the charge curse
Wake up babe new ESGOO video poggies
It pretty much only needs one decent unit that can either burn burst or maybe a unit that uncaps the 99 max potency in exchange for burn count to make it as good as sinking.
We got decent burn Ego's and Liu Ish and Nclair are very good on their own already.
The reason people don't count NClair as a burn ID is because you can't apply burn if half the enemies are turned to dust before turn 3
I find Burn as most fun statuse to play with
TLDR:
Maintaining positive counts of rupture or sinking or bleed to build any meaningful amount of potency will require you to spam egos and dedicating your whole team onto maintaining those counts. Burn is the only dmg debuff maintainable by fielding only 1 burn ID.
Rupture:
It takes a whole guide and a team designed for rupture counts to stack rupture... These IDs arent the worse, but they don't have the best clash and stats neither...
Bleed:
Bleed is similar, since just the boss clashing will cause counts to drop, and if they win or draws a clash, they will use even more bleed counts.. This archtype also lacks egos to power its counts.
I can tell you off the bat that the ID with most bleed counts is N_faust and R Salt. N_faust avges around 4 counts per skill while R Saltonly avgs around 2 counts per skill... with Kuro Ryoshu at 3rd place of 1.5 counts/skill
A boss will probably use anywhere from 6 - 18 counts of bleed per turn depending on how many coins he feels like using. The best way to circumvent this problem is focus all the bleed into one body parts.. but at the end of the day will still require several IDs to maintain the counts...
I have to say, while salt is a good tank, both N_Faulst and Kuro_Ryoshu dont have very impressive clash, and you gonna need more of that to keep that count up.... and every turn your N_faust spend using fliud sac is another turn she couldn't meet her quota. GL with solving the problem of clashing boss skills...
Sinking:
I have looked into making a sink team and I can tell you there isn't enough good IDs to maintain counts properly.. Luckily rimshank exists and you will need to spam Rime shank on fights that you want to build sink counts on. Most sink IDs are count negative on avg... (count neg is when a char's skill has more coins than counts they inflict on avg, resulting in them draining counts instead of building them for counts that goes away on hit)
Burn:
Burn is the only debuff that you can casually stack and raise the potency
You really just need 2 IDs with burn to maintain a burn stack that you can build to 99 potency, and Liu_honglu support and Liu_Ishmael can fulfill those roles while being high dmg/clash characters themselves without being a big disruption to team composition. Worse case, have a Liu_honglu support tag along can solve the count problem
Conclusion
Its easy to say "Oh theoretically this is op with 99 Potency & Stacks", But it may be difficult building bleed/rupture/sink stack. You may have to resort to suboptimal IDs and spam egos to keep the counts going.
Regardless, Burn will still have the niche of being a dmg debuff that can be easily stacked without needing to dedicate an entire team for them, and most burn ego gifts in Mirror Dungeons makes maxing burn potency very quickly and easily.
At the end of the day, I'm not saying "Don't make video", I'm saying "Make them responsibly" . Afterall, many people looks up to you and take your words like its the bible
about EGO, to be fair Heathcliff mentions how he feels when using EGO in combat and complains about the enemies just casually wielding EGO gear
I enjoy how the character sprites get used for little animations like punching an annoying strawman.
PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP
GET OUTDATED! GET OUTDATED! GET OUTDATED!
imagine if they add something similar to "sinking deluge" for burn
You did it. Some how Walpurgis did it with Outis Bullet ego. What will you use your power of prediction for next? Bleed?
Bleed is already really strong and is arguably the 2nd strongest comp in current mirror dungeon behind poise
10:24 just to remind - bonus of coin boost stacks, so it rolls very, i mean VERY high in solo runs if you fuel the condition
Bulls are colorblind, at least partially. They just don't like stuff being waved at them- and have frequently been enraged by being stabbed for a while before being released towards the luchadors. >>
As someone that runs Burn teams (without N Sinclair because I don't have him) my own gripes with the IDs and EGOs are fairly similar. Gregor having a 12 power S3 is so unimaginably garbage and means has has to attack unopposed with it most of the time if you want to capitalize on its genuinely very good damage.
Maintaining Count with Burn is weird sometimes if you're not fielding Hong Lu because you can just genuinely get dumpstered on by RNG and just can't get to a Meursault S3 or Ishmael S3. Ishmael's S2 applies 2 count on the 3rd coin when the target has 6 or more potency and can carry your count after you get your Burn off the ground. Unfortunately that can be rough in certain abnormality fights that have like 4 parts, unfocused combats, and abnormalities that like to summon adds.
You either field more IDs to get more potency up to trigger Ishmael S2 and have better odds at skills with Count early, or you drop those IDs and hope the support passives affect Ishmael, since her ability to carry her own conditions solo using support passives is incredibly good. The difficult part with the 2nd method then becomes the early turns where you're action negative to enemies and without an evade skill to neutralize damage when the enemy doesn't have absurd clash power. She doesn't even use a guard skill to at least mitigate some of the damage if she has to take some in the first place if an evade wouldn't work, she has a counter and will eat full damage before returning with some damage and the single most reliable way to maintain Count at the cost of some HP on an ID that can't heal without allies and has no shields of her own. People using N Sinclair will have the benefit of S2 applying 1 Count on the 4th coin but only on Tails hit.
Moving on to the topic of EGO, none of the 4th Match Flames are on a sinner with a Burn ID at the moment. This isn't super relevant though, as Yi Sang's is garbage unless his Burn ID pulls a Harpooner and doubles up on Wrath skills to capitalize on the passive. Ryoshu has some Burn on her base EGO but the main draw is the Fragile, although her own 4th Match Flame has the potential to do some great potency on an ID with high coin counts, and the UT4 has nuking potential in a Burn team. Rodion's could be a method of sustain for her Burn ID in the future, and Wrath Fragility isn't too awful, there's just no reason to run it at the moment when it competes with Pursuance. It's also always a negative coin?
Moving on to some more useful ones, the Capotes. Meursault has a great EGO here. He gets the Tremor Burst via Burn Potency and then applies a heft amount of Burn Potencty at the same time. The self buffs of Haste and Wrath/Blunt Power Up grants him 1 power to all skills on the next turn (and 2 if you use Capote again) and the passive is great if he has 2 or more skill slots (he is not a tank). The only downside is that it shares a slot with Pursuance. Ishmael takes things a different way. This is less of a Burn focused EGO and more of a supportive EGO that benefits a whole Burn team with the all allies Wrath DMG Up, and against a boss target that has SP (thanks Canto 5) the 15 SP loss for the target(s) is a nice buffer for your team. As far as actual Burn goes though, it doesn't do as much Potency as Meursault and it's Tremor Burst is stuck to the corrosion with no conversion from Burn Potency to fuel it. The passive is nice extra damage for Ishmael to speedrun the end of someone's life, though.
The next set of Burn EGO we have is one I reluctantly include, Lifetime Stew. Not much to talk about, Don's has some Count on it while Sinclair either has Potency or Count on Corrosion. Nobody uses these for Burn, even if Sinclair has an ID with Burn, his Stew is better for sustain.
The latest pair of EGO to have Burn is 9:2 on the current pass. To make is simple, Sinclair's 9:2 is again not much of a Burn EGO, its potency is pitiful and the real utility it has is making N Sinclair's S2 nuke his own SP even further than it normally does giving him better odds for landing tails. Faust's 9:2 looks like it holds some potential. The passive has the ability to add 6 Potency on any given turn for getting 6 Heads Hits with Lust skills, and it's not +1 Burn, it's just 1 Burn meaning the coin doesn't need to have it's own Burn but it would still apply the additional Burn if it did. The Burn that is applied by the EGO itself isn't anything special, and actually rather lacking, but what it can do is convert some of your Potency into DL Down next turn, up to 10 DL Down from 20 Potency. I will not claim to know exactly how that factors into damage calculations, but that's a hefty amount of DL Down. Hong Lu's Roseate Desire is only 4 DL Down (5 at UT4). 20 Potency sounds like a lot but in a Burn team you're easily able to apply that much in the first 1-3 turns depending on skill RNG. If Liu Faust is released (we see a glimpse of her in one of the other Liu arts) with say, a 3 coin Lust S2 or opts to do what Harpooner did and double down on Lust, then this EGO will have a lot of potential and the best part is that it doesn't compete with Fluid Sac.
Finally, we reach Ardor Blossom Star. This is arguably one of the strongest offensive EGO in the game in general alongside yes, having the best EGO art in the game. It rolls 43 without needing UT4 (Looking at you, Meursault Capote going from 35 to 45) and despite the EGO itself not doing too much Burn, needing Wrath Resonance to get Potency, raising the Stagger Threshold by a portion of damage dealt is just good utility and the passive is the single most reliable way to spread Potency across a group without sacrificing single target Potency like Meursault does. If you don't have this EGO you should get it, and if you do have it, go fight Ricardo with it because this thing obliterates his Stagger and it's not even funny. Genuinely makes the fight kind of easy.
I didn't touch on resource gen for any of them but I do want to note that the only EGO that can be self fueled by their own Burn ID are Ardor Ish (Liu) and Capote Meur (Liu). Capote Ish and 9:2 Sinclair (Also Forest of the Flames if you want to count that as a Burn EGO) are both fueled by the current Burn team setup and have IDs that fit the team. Don's Stew is all Lust but she doesn't have an ID for the team, and every other EGO mentioned needs Gluttony or Pride so they just don't fit in to the current team anyway, since the replacement for Liu Meurault, Middle Meursault, just trades out Lust for Envy.
Liu Faust is around the corner, I swear. 9:2 is a sign that she will be arriving this season. Faust definitely needs more good IDs she has absolutely nothing worth using ever in any situation :)
She'll arrive with Yi Sang because he also totally needs more good IDs with nothing worth using in most cases :))))))))))))))))
They're in Liu Hong Lu's first ID art therefore they must be somewhere!
I do think that there's room for something like a Burst/Deluge that's specific to Burn considering Ruina had Force of a Wildfire which applied Burn to someone's allies when they got staggered, and you could come up with something engaging for an "Ignition" kind of effect. Force of a Wildfire in Limbus could make stacking Burn on multiple abnormality parts something that's relatively reasonable to do in a timely manner.
oh great cursed prophet ESGOO please predict the coming of Lamp or Queen of Hatred lob corp ID for the next Walpurgisnact!
You'd think, of all status effects, Burn would have at least 1 self-inflicting ID by now, but nope.
I feel like this is a plot to let Limbus cook a version of Sinking Deluge lol. Ignite probably 😂
Man, I was really wishing you would bring up the EGO gifts that burn has. They can be pretty fun, even if only in SD and MD runs.
ESGOO, you forgot to touch on one thing.
If you have the envy burn EGO gift, you don't even need burn......unless you need more count :)
guys i think ESGOO is distorting like willi
ok so, here's my idea of "burn deluge"
it deals potency+count damage, and spreads (damage done)/4 burn and burn count on other enemies
6:37 missed opportunity to say star of the city
Wild idea for a burn buff: another sinking deluge/tremor burst effect!
No but like actually, what if we had another one of those effects that centered around spreading the fire stacks from one enemy to the rest (you know, like fire spreads irl) and maybe doing a bit of extra damage on the original target based on burn count, just maybe. Call it Spreading Fire or something and you're good to go
Some personal thoughts on the burn archetype, been playing pretty much exclusively burn based comps since I started playing around Hell's Kitchen.
General Teamcomp Building:
- Besides just splashing in Good Clashers, the most success I found with the burn core was by splashing it into an N corp core, using Nsalt over Liu.
Comp is as follows:
Liu Gregor
Liu Ishmael (Capote, ABS)
Liu Hong Lu Support
Nclair (Impending, 9:2)
Nsalt (Capote/Pursuance)
Nfaust (Hex/9:2, Fluid)
Ncliff
N Don (Stew, ran as the 7th or over Ncliff if running 9:2 Faust)
- Liu Ish speaks for itself, slap on Capote and ABS and pump damage.
- Gregor goes first pretty often in this composition which allows you to stack count and potency really easily with an S2 or 3, often ends up being a clash bot with SOD after the first couple turns which can occasionally be nice to you and roll burn.
- Since 9:2 Faust is the only Gluttony user in this composition, Ndon can effectively fuel it with her S2.
- This comp produces A LOT of Lust, making Stew Don a very powerful combo with Corroded Capote for a total of 10 burn and 3 burn count across 3 enemies.
- This is probably the best comp at taking advantage of Nclairs Uptie IV and S3's bleed condition when running 7 man lineups.
- 9:2 Sinclair is one of the composition's better Nuke EGO's, only really being beaten in damage output by ABS, corroding is however much more risky when you run this ego - and just running Impending Day solo instead may be the better option.
- Ncliff does a really good job of providing EGO resources for both Hex Nail and Fluid Sac, along with invoking his UT4 Passive and providing that valuable coin drop on S2, but lacks any good EGO to support the composition.
- Hex Nail vs 9:2 Faust are both good options that provide different advantages to the composition, 9:2 provides up to 10 def down and is consistently able to proc, since it is the only EGO consuming gluttony within this comp it is relatively easy to access provided you are willing to run Ndon over Ncliff. Hex Nail meanwhile adds a lot of nails to the comp and consumes envy which is more readily available, but will contest the envy that fluid sac tends to take monopoly over.
- Capote vs. Pursuance on Mersault is preference, Pursuance has more consistent use cases - Corroded Capote is unmatched if you need to get the ball rolling with burn but you need to find burn count on those units to support it, which doing consistently without Stew Don is pretty hard.
- Nsalt is probably the unit I'm least confident about in this comp, as even within Nails compositons his performance as a Tank still feels middling, K corp Hong Lu isn't an option since LiuLu being on the bench is pretty vital to our burn engine, same deal with Zwei Gregor which is unfortunate since both of them would be solid gluttony engines otherwise, if you don't run Nsalt your best option is probably just to either forego a tank and run LiuSalt or just slam Dieci Rodion here due to her raw strength, if you do choose to drop Nsalt it is pretty much always Ndon over Ncliff, as his UT4 passive is no longer active in 6 man lineups.
- Praying for a Liu Ryoshu ID to fill in this gap considering just how stacked her EGO lineup is for the burn suite.
As a Burn Guy, you've hit the nail on the head...except ONE thing. At least during my most recent MD3 run, because that's when I remembered it was a thing.
So you know that 99 burn 99 count issue? That's true....except against enemies with multiple parts (so most abnormalities). Burn's cap is 99 damage per part, which while calculated individually will be collated and shown on the main body. So you CAN burn an abnormality some enemies a bit more than 99/turn, which is nice?
The ease at which you hit the cap at least makes grinding through the high HP bosses of MD3 reasonable, since your weaker clashers can use EGO to contribute while you build up stakcs, then do one sided attacks while other units continue clashing.
I am hoping that, like you said, burn becomes a resource you can remove from an enemy for more effects, like Faust's burn EGO. It's trivially easy to gain and maintain (especially in a mirror dungeon with burn gifts).
Еsgoo cursed us with new liu identities with burn deluge withtin the next two weeks
well, three
One solution they can do to fix burn is having an enemy with burn take damage based on how much attack slots/weight they currently have and subtract it by count. For example, if an enemy/body part has 5 attack slots, 20 burn, and 8 count, they would take a total of 100 damage at the end but have 3 count left, and next turn with 3 count, they would only take 60 damage and have zero burn count at the end. This would completely remove the need for uncapping burn while also forces players to do something about burn count. This is also accurate to how I imagine what pmoon wanted for liu association to be, an all-out war with fire spread.
Knowing Philip, he'll probably be a negative coin id.