A ride on the reconstructed Vestdijk in Eindhoven (NL)
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2024
- [849] The former inner city ring-road has been reconstructed in Eindhoven in the Netherlands. What is it like to cycle there now. More information in the blog post: bicycledutch.w...
Part of Vestdijk was my regular cycle route to and from university during for a few years my student days (back in the nineties) and I am glad to see how much it has been improved. The junction at 2:35 used to be particularly awkward, especially when merging onto Vestdijk coming from the right, because on that side street, cars and bicycles were mixed.
@HanJanssen-pg9jh Yes, I used to live in the Bloemenbuurt in the first two years I studied at the Technical University and this was on my route from there to the Dommeltunnel. Did you go there too?
Great cycling facilities...we still have a long way to go in Australia
The great thing about bikes is that they'll never suffer from the SUV trend affecting cars.
Just wait until someone somehow makes an SUV out of a bike 😅😅
Just Google "urban arrow", or "bakfiets" 😏
Some cyclists have similar responses to electric bikes, bakfietsen and pedal-powered delivery vehicles that drivers have to SUVs and trucks
The people at Utah Trikes would beg to differ.
@@peter1062 The nice thing with cargo bikes is that unlike with cars you often see them actually being used to carry more than just the one rider. Very few people will buy a cargo bike for occasionally moving some stuff and grocery shopping. And the people that do still take up way less space than even a really small car.
I gotta marvel in how Smooth your footage is.. No matter where i place my camera on my body or bike it is shaking around constantly and I can't even speed it up with out making folks nauseous. You must have some amazing shock absorbers on your bike.
You need a gimbal.
Can you stabilize in post?
@@S_Roach There are some algorithms for that, but you tend to get a distorted/wobbly effect on the video, or need to crop pretty heavily. Gimbals are not that expensive.
@@S_Roach The few time s I had tried that it heavily warps the images around a certain point and recalls some fun college times I had in the states. So now I just attempt to hold still as much as possible and avoid cobblestone while recording.
I use the Vestdijk every day to uni and truly, the current set up of the Vestdijk is actually quite nice right now. Eindhoven is just great
I'm from Eindhoven. The Vestdijk (first section in the video is called Hertogstraat or Duke Street, by the way) forms only half of the central ring, the other half is to be reconstructed next year.
The ring now consists of two lanes (one for cars and one for buses only in the opposite direction), a wide two-way cycle path and wide pavements and flower banks in between. The other half of the central ring will look similar.
So nice! The Netherlands is an amazing country. I wish I can go back there soon. Great video!
I knew the day would have to come when you would do this video! I still find the notion of continuous sidewalks which you as a pedestrian have lights anyway to be very confusing, but maybe thats the point? (At the heuvel junction)
I wish my city of Phoenix, Az had bike paths like these!
A lot of people wish their home town had bike paths like thees.
It is lovely, I drive on it daily and can’t say it is worse than before the reconstruction
yay my hometown, I used to drive here daily :)
A wonderful sight.
Your video just amazing, like always...
Hopefully someday I can bike in Netherland 💪🏼💪🏼
Great! They FINALLY finished it... No idea when i will visit the area. I don't need to go through it.
Mopeds, slow speed or not, are heavier than bikes and therefore more dangerous in a collision. Also, moped-with-bicycle collisions are more dangerous for the bicyclist than for the moped driver. It like people or bicycles sharing a road with cars: whatever the rules, there is an asymmetry in one party being much more dagnerous to the other party that the other way round. So there is an assymetry in power and willingness to yield way to the other party. People and bicyclists are at the mercy of car drivers. The same is true here with mopeds vs bicycles, albeit to a lesser extent.
Mopeds should be banned from bicycle paths. There should be a limit based on a metric combining weight and speed. Something heavy and slow, like a disabled person's transport, is fine. So is a fast, but light, bicycle. But mopeds are not, as they are both rather heavy and fast.
great view of the large pedestrian place at the end top marks dude
@Wandering Box That square is actually mixed use for both pedestrians and bikes. Bikes are allowed there provided they reduce their speed.
Seeing your videos makes me appreciate the biking infra that we've got around these parts, that I - along with most Dutch people - often tend to take for granted.
Moreover, lovely to see the restaurant where I work as a foodrunner, around 3:50, let's hope we can re-open our doors soon!!
writing from a country where society in general does not value much of a human life or comfort yet. It's not only dangerous to ride bikes here but also really painful, besides the fact I live in the most "bike friendly" city here.
Interesting to see the traffic light on the intersection between bicycle paths at 2:31 However, I'm sure that 90% of the cyclists will completely ignore it. If it were up to me, I would put the lights on flashing yellow outside the peak hours (or with a bicycle counter in the asphalt). With the amount of traffic in the video, it really creates unnecessary travel time.
BicycleDutch, can you make a video about the concept of 'All cyclists green'? It's a very interesting concept to me. With inner city crossings, you can have a bicycle phase twice per cycle, allowing quite some green time and without having to wait twice for turning left.
Every bicycle commuter's dream! 😍
The wait at that first light was close to a minute long. The second was quite short. Why the difference? Is it just chance?
If you want you can check this video out. In this video you can see how Dutch trafficlights work.
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This channel explains how Dutch traffic works.
@@bertvanstijn3563 Thank you. I watch Not Just Bikes and so I thought traffic lights were more responsive in the Netherlands, not just to cars but also to pedestrians and cyclists. I will watch it. ;-)
@@bertvanstijn3563 OH ... it's the video I have already seen. lol
I wonder if anyone has (or will) interviewed residents and businesses along the route to see how their lives and health are changed ?
I pass by here every day and many more new stores are appearing with this new infrastructure
It has become better for cyclists and pedestrians for sure, but if you want to visit the city centre by car (or get home in my case, I live near the triangular skyscraper) during a non-covid weekend day, be prepared to wait in line for a very long time.
The municipality should invest in more cheap or even free P&R's on the outskirts of the city and shuttle busses to the centre to solve this
@@itsbigfluff true. There are plans for a new P&R on the Aalsterweg, but the planning is unsure because of corona
@@wkromhout8532 That P+R is already finished but will not open any time soon due to covid-19 measures.
@@itsbigfluff They are, more P+R's are to come. But due to Covid-19 those plans are currently on hold.
Are motorcycles allowed on the bike lanes? 4:11, 4:22
Those are classified as mopeds; more specifically ones with maximum speeds of 25 kilometres per hour. These should ride on the cyclepaths and riders don't need to wear a helmet. The other type of mopeds (45 kph max) should ride on the carlanes and riders are required to wear a helmet.
BTW, those that you saw were electric rental type scooters. You use a phone app to find one near you, choose one (which gives you something like 15 minutes to get to it. Once you get there you scan a QR code to start the meter and drive off. At your destination you can either hold on to it (paying a reduced tariff) or you can relinquish it (the meter stops). There are specific zones were you have to park it though, since the company operates only in specific (parts of) some cities.
There are 2 types of motorcycle's: Snorfietsen (mopeds) and Brommers (proper motorcycle's). Snorfietsen are limited to 25km/ph, have a blue license plate and are allowed in bike lines, except when stated that it's prohibited. In Amsterdam they are banned from the bike lanes. The brommers (Yellow license plate) have to merge with car traffic. Unless a special road sign is placed indicating it's a bike and motorcycle path.
Thans a lot for the details 👍
Thanks a lot for the detailed explanation. Didn't realize they were electric 😉👍
@@pelegrinsamblas Only if they are fast enough to keep up with grandmas on 5000Watt e-bikes.
Wat doet die Dodge Ram daar nou weer?!
Je komt opvallend genoeg regelmatig Rams of andere full size pick-ups tegen in en om Eindhoven.
how many years you reckon before the blank façades turn into shop fronts?
Well COVID may slow it down as some businesses are shutting down and people are slightly less likely to go out to shops, but I think it will be rather immediate, so withing 2-3 years. Having bicycles and pedestrian use the road heavily will make setting up a shop there very attractive.
In areas like this shops are often designed in: shops at streetlevel, apartments or offices on top of that. It's rare that a particular address changes its usage, shops tend to stay shops, offices stay offices, residential stays residential. Although nowadays, in some areas where there is a surplus of office space, unused offices are converted to apartments.
If you're referring to the facades on the left at 2:07, that is the old Schellens textile factory, which is now industrial heritage. There are now multiple smaller companies in that building, including the very succesful "Stadsbrouwerij" (city brewery). The owner Stayinc (commercial daughter of social housing corporation Wooninc) however is developing a new commercial concept, which should incorporate the old factory into new buildings for apartments and a hotel, while also keeping the current companies...
Mooie beplante openbare ruimte!
Crazy e-scooter rider. It looks like he shot right through a red light and almost took out that girl. The girl should probably have checked in both directions though. Are helmets not required for e-scooters ? Also it looks like scooter riders commonly ignore signals because it happens again later in the video.
Regarding helmets: that depends on the type of scooter. In the Netherlands we have two types: one with a maximum speed of 25 kilometres per hour, for which you don't need a helmet, and 45, for which you do need to wear one.
Though I agree scooter drivers can be wreckless, in Eindhoven (and I think most Dutch cities) everybody cycles through red. Just look both sides and you're fine to go.
contrary to law, most people on bikes and scooters regard a red light as more of a suggestion. However you cannot ignore the red light without being sure nobody will be coming your way and you must be mindful of other traffic participants. He did not give the girl the space she needed. Regarding helmets, only for brommers (45km/h), those in the video are snorfietsen (25km/h). Brommers require helmets, snorfietsen don't.
5:15 And you're also riding past the not-yet-reconstructed windows following the Eindhoven riot.
I thought us Brits would just ignore the traffic lights and it was pleasing to see dutch ppl do too.
I'm surprised they allow the "organ donors" share the space. I would have thought motorized vehicles should share the cars space.
Motorised two-wheelers seem like a potential nightmare one day.
Eindhoven de beste!
229 Fietsers omgekomen. Hoogste in 25 jaar. Nou dat app-verbod heeft ook niet veel geholpen. Natuurlijk beginnen ze meteen over verplichte fietshelmen.
@@038Dude Ouwe mensen op een e-bike kunnen vaker een helm op zetten als ze dat willen. Maar als ze fietshelmen gaan verplichten dan koop ik een geweer en begin een andere hobby.
@@038Dude 229 platgereden fietsers is gewoon teveel. En het nu duidelijk dat auto's te hard rijden juist wanneer er minder (auto)verkeer is. En niet omdat men zit te appen op en fiets. Dat was weer zo'n typische VVD lag leve 130km maatregel die slachtoffers straft i.p.v. de daders. Daar staat oom agent op een compleet verlaten fietspad burger te bekeuren omdat ze een telefoon vasthouden. Net zoals ze mensen meteen en boete geven vanwege de avondklok terwijl er geen hond op straat. Dan heb ik het geeneens over het nog verder in de stront trappen van bijstandslijers.
En toch heeft men weer masaal op de VVD gestemd. Vrijheid en democratie, ja ja. Wedden dat die partij weer over fietshelmplicht begint?
Vergrijzing. Er zijn steeds meer ouderen en die fietsen meer en verder. 75% van de fietsslachtoffers in 2019 waren 60+ , 59% was 70+ . Van de 203 fietsslachtoffers waren 53 (27%) 80+, het dubbele % van in 2000. Een aanzienlijk deel van die ongelukken was eenzijdig, o.a. door problemen bij op- en afstappen.. Onder de 60 is het aandeel ongelukken sterk afgenomen , van de helft in 2000 to 28% in 2019 .
@@allws9683 Is waar. Meer oudere mensen zijn gaan fietsen en langere afstanden ook. Vooral in 2020. En e-bikes zijn vaak te zwaar en te snel voor opa's en oma's. Veel zouden beter af zijn met een driewiel zit/ligfiets. Maar die zijn nooit echt populair geworden.
Andere oorzaak is natuurlijk dat auto's te hard rijden. Minder verkeer, lekker scheuren. Is ook te zien aan de ernst van de auto-ongelukken.
@@driewiel Ik weet niet of auto's er iets mee te maken hebben. het aantal slachtoffers in auto's is gehalveerd . Het aantal fietsslachtoffer van 60- is ook gehalveerd van rond de honderd 100 naar plm 50, bij gelijke populatie. Dus het verkeer is voor die groepen gewoon veiliger. Voor oudere fietsers is het niet onveiliger, maar helaas ook niet erg veiliger geworden. het aantal 60+ steeg met 60% en het aantal fietsslachtoffers steeg met grofweg 50% van 2000-2019. Er zijn wellicht niet meer aanrijdingen, maar als een oudere (eenzijdig) van de fiets 'valt' zijn de complicaties hefiger.
(Ik heb wel 'ns een vergelijking gezien van de botsing impact op voetgangers van een suv met dat van een personenauto. De impact van een SUV bij 40 kmh zou vergelijkbaar zijn met een personenauto @ zo'n 130kmh !! 😮)
Awesome, but sidewalk is a little bit narrow.
Well, they are certainly sufficient and wide enough to park your delivery bus on: 2:25 and 2:55 . The main pedestrian route at the beginning is actually one street further to the left. It flows into the main pub street, church square, car free shopping streets/center and market square. At 4:53 the pedestrian area crosses our path, where it moves towards the train station (at 4:47 right side, in the background) and another street with pubs. The left part from 5:09 is also pedestrian area.
Don’t worry about it. The camera makes it look smaller, but in reality it is perfect 👍🏻
So the weird mixed cycling and car space was temporary aha now I get it
What a useless traffic light at 2:34
I was wondering about that too. Normally there are no traffic lights on a cycle-only crossing.
I expect that there is so much crossing bike traffic (in non-Covid rush hour) that the planners think they can improve the flow with traffic lights.
It is not. During rush-hour this is one of the busiest crossings. It is the cycle-path along the Dommel river that leads to the university campus and also part of the "slow-lane" circular cycle path around Eindhoven, optimized for commutes. People regularly reach more than 25km/h on their (e-)bikes here. The road from the left is a "fietsstraat" (cycle lane where cars are allowed) "De Bleek". It's a complex crossing, although it may not look like it at first glance.
Before the reconstruction, this traffic light was routinely ignored by cyclists. Now after the reconstruction, it has only become even more ignorable. When I saw that they didn't just remove the stupid thing, I facepalmed.
I find most of the traffic lights on this route quite useless (or car-centric) but that one indeed absolutely does not need to exist
3:37 My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined
nah the best part about our infra is not having to give a shit about traffic lights when no cars are around
a model for streets around the world. please come to canada and accept a job offer as urban planner in any major city.
Nijmegen has a lot to learn...
Nijmegen has a great cycling path between Lent and the campus
Scooters should be banned from using bike paths. The ones not respecting red lights and with more power to cause an injury where e-scooters, but around 4:10 and 4:19 normal scooters are seen riding quite fast, that could easily cause an accident resulting in injuries a bike would never cause.
As long as the scooters are those 25km/h restricted one it doesn't make a big difference if scooter or ebike or pedelec. There is a certain difference to a "normal" oma fiets, but that is the mass - in terms of braking the scooters should be better than those, so it is purely a situational one.Also don't forget that those scooters are as (or even more) vulnerable to accidents with cars as a bike on the car road.
@@038Dude guess so, here you'll are for example
The high-speed (45km/h) mopeds are banned from that street, as it's only a cycling path, not a moped- and cycling path. The slow speed mopeds can go 25km/h max, which electric bikes are getting progressively closer to.
i would go ahead and ban scooters from the bicycle lanes though.
A few cities, like Amsterdam, already have. I expect the rest of the Netherlands to follow shortly.
040 gang
Eindhoven will be good chance but currently Eindhoven can't leave car culture exactly. My think.
Lubricate your bike chain bro!
Not my bike. I almost always ride on rental bikes when I'm not cycling in Utrecht or 's-Hertogenbosch.
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That girl in the pink shirt needs to look both ways before crossing the way. ( 0:54 ) She just darted out in front of a scooter traveling at "high speed".
EDIT: Silly girl
You are right but she still has the right of way in a crossing like that.
1. The road user in question was a child. Children tend to not look where they are going.
2. She was standing right in front of the pedestrian crossing. Which means everybody has to slow down and stop to look if she is going to cross. So the scooter user is actually in the wrong here. He didn't pay attention and did not slow down at all until she suddenly crossed the road. He should have slowed down and paid close attention to her.
3. If the scooter driver would have hit her and the girl was badly injured he would have had all the trouble. Because: he's an adult or at least 16 years old, he hit a child on a pedestrian crossing, he did not pay enough attention to the child.
And a personal vendetta of me:
He uses those fucking annoying green rental scooters and I would like to burn all of them.
And he's wearing a headset which means he cannot hear everything around which makes him a dumbass.
He looks way too smug at the girl like she should be thankful.
And lastly which is a bias and not nice. To me most scooter users are lazy
@@BiteBolt_77 I love that BicycleDutch liked your aggressive comment, couldn't agree more!
@@Silvarret well i am Dutch and I wanted to explain in grave direct detail why this person's comment was wrong. And I like traffic rules and it's design.
Imagine calling out a little girl for crossing when the scooter appears to be running a red light. 🙄
Saai gat.
Eindhoven de gatste!
Elk jaar lampionnenoptocht!