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Pure Music - Marantz Model 30 - Bowers 805D3 - DALI Rubicon 6 - Focal Sopra No1
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- Опубліковано 30 сер 2020
- We have the new Marantz Model 30 amp and SACD 30N sacd-player / streamer / dac. We made some samples on our reference speakers: the Bowers & Wilkins 805D3, DALI Rubicon 6 and Focal Sopra No1.
We used the folowing tracks:
- Adele 21 - Lovesong
- Jacques Loussier Trio - Little Fuge in G minor (Bach)
- Lorde - Tennis Court
We hope you like it!
Check our lossless samples at: www.alpha-audio.nl and www.alpha-audio.net.
![B&W 805 D4 | La Vie En Rose - Aoi Teshima | with T+A HV-Series [4Kᵁᴴᴰ]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/miuoYO84aTQ/mqdefault.jpg)
Check our review and lossless wav-samples here:
English: alpha-audio.net/review/review-marantz-model-30-en-sacd-30n/
Dutch: www.alpha-audio.nl/review/review-marantz-model-30-en-sacd-30n/
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I truly appreciate the quick shifts between the speakers! When longer clips are demoed and the restarted the differences aren't as easily recognized!
B&W or FOCAL for the win imo.
The towers were muddy and flat.
For me the FOCAl are a bit forward sounding if that makes sense as if the Vocals are pushed forward?
The B&W sounds a bit more congested regarding vocals here …to my ears
@@philipnel8471i agree i hear the same
Those Focals OMG amazing!!!
Great video and sound!! Specially the adele track. Listened to many times before but not with this level of clarity. The B&W sounds great.
The Vocals just pop in this video. Beautiful
What a great video keep up this good work.
Focal is my taste
Focal and B&W different league. Amazing video. Thanks!👍
Sound comes alive with the Focals.
Those Focals are firecrackers. It sounds like those Dali are playing through a pillow sometimes, and seem a little lifeless. Focals and B&W are clear winners. Focals are easily the most fun and engaging of these speakers. Now you guys have me wanting to get the Focals with a Yamaha 1200 and claim victory!
Listening in 2024❤
Super video, very enlightening, thanks! Focal is the clear winner for me.
Impressed by the Focal Sopra!
The B&W's grew on me. I'm not a fan but they had their merits. Surprising. Great vid... lovely amp
Focals sound amazing with this combo.
i agree
@@AmbientWanderer the best combo
Yes, Focals's bass stronger than B&W 805!
@@polyho4903 Yes these Focal are real fire crackers without being overly bright. They have pep, energy and are easily the most fun and engaging of the bunch. Dali lack energy and seem to be muffled by a pillow sometimes in comparison. B&W seem to be reaching to hard to be pure audiophile and analytical while they are better than the Dali they lack the enthusiasm of the Focal everywhere except in the top end.
I don’t like the focals in the combo.
Thanks for your reviews, it is really helping me to chooce maybe lucky ticket for my next audio journey trip! :)
You are welcome. Thank you for the kind words.
Awesome Video ,such a treat ...
Firstly kudos and admiration for the impeccable presentation. Seamless changes, they take hours to complete, sound recording excellent, even the posters complete a perfect video. To my 66 year old ears the Focals produce a more room filling sound than the rest and great clarity. The Dalis come close and the Bowers try their best. I listened with an ASUS Sonic Master lap top. Many thanks.
Thank you for these kind words! Glad you like the video!
Yep, I second that, huge amount of work.
Excellent review, thanks. Focal is very interesting and surprisingly better.
Beautiful sound from Marantz Model 30!
@@tomaskroupakkfoto4132 lol no chance you must be lieing.... Yamaha boring, flat, no dimensionality. Marantz has actual harmonic colour and very 3d staging. Even the AS3000/3200 are laughably bad sounding.
@@tomaskroupakkfoto4132 Yamaha is 50% more expensive so it should beat it somewhat
Focal is the best of the best. Hands down. 😍🤩💖
Focal Sopra n.1 !! Very Nice !!
For me it is clearly Focal. Really very good.
The Marantz combination with the Focals, that's all I need to listen to music really well.
Crispy and tight with those Focal`s
- clear winner here
Dry nice comparator video, cleverly edited. Well done. Floorstander Dali are obvious choice. Better balanced even if rather crisp.
Very beautiful set up ! Thank you !
Wonderful... thi is the propper way to compare speakers.. Thank you.
Brilliant video. Focals for me.
Focals sound so li(o)vely!!
This gives a good idea how each speaker sounds off-axis. It really doesn't suggest what they would sound like at the listening position with speakers in an equilateral triangle with the listener in a chair.
by FAR the best abc demo i've ever seen for speakers. I used to do this frequently with wires. too fiddly with speakers, making this all the better for me! Focal in this system has to be the best, B&W need very forward wires (which i happen to have in my 803D setup. Sadly, the Dali pales in this setup, added bass sounds very tubby and not tonally accurate. GREAT DEMO! Kudos!
Subd. Thank you for these videos. Although not a complete audition it really helps with understanding which speakers to audition in person.
That is the idea. Thanks!
Most bass and authority Dali...most energetic and analitic sound Focal
Excellent sound tnx.
Excellent job, guys, thank you! My favourite is 805 D3, but Focall surprised me from the first tones. I think Focall sounds after a while little bit too crispy, BW might be better all-rounder, but probably calls for some bigger power-station :-) What about the same comparison with the new Michi series ;-) Once again, thank you, very professional and unique comparison!
Wow, Focals sound so much better than the others. They are good, but Focal i s on another level.
Dali warm, classic sound. B&W bright and crisp. Focal forward sounding.
Exactly
The Focal seemed to be the most dynamic, but I'd probably get fatigue listening to them for a long time. I prefer the Dali. B&W ain't doing it for me.
B&W’s were nice and crisp, warm but but also slightly tight 🔥🔥🔥
I have come back after a year from first viewing this video. My system is pretty neutral, allowing me to discern differences, in the "better system" comparison videos such as yours. I remember that "around 1000?" Integrated amp shoot out, and how that Primare unit showed out in a most outstanding manner! Having said all that, these "newbreed" Marantz units paired with the Focals are knocking the ball out of the park! No contest, IMHO. Again, nice job, and thank you.
Welcome!
Focals aint focking around, they are easily the best souding ones here, and everywhere else. That tweeter... that tweeter...
I liked the small Focals.
Focal Sopra tiene un increíble performance en voces
The B&W 805 D3 speakers have a clean and clear vocal. The mid bass is fast and tight; plus, the high sparkles with details. They do seem to lack some bass (mid and low) especially at the lower region compared with the others. The Focal Sopra No1 speakers have a more pronounced and forward vocal characteristic. They sound warmer than the others. The bass punches low but doesn't sound as well defined as the others. The Dali Rubicon 6 has the tightest bass and can play much lower. The mids and highs are linear; however, they lack just a bit of finesse in the vocal compared with the other two. Personal opinion: sound wise, I prefer the B&W > Focal> Dali.
thanks for your nice test
The Focal always wins these comparisons. There's a reason that they're Alpha Audio's reference speakers, because they can't be beat.
After listening to the whole video I think I prefer the vocals! ...and again, congratulations for the amazing comparison
Welcome!
Very nicely recorded comparison
geeze - maybe it's me, not looking to spar with anyone - but I'm just a bit surprised at the affection for the Focals in the comments - awesome speaker, every model they make, but my ears are telling me the Dali's are the most natural of these 3 - Actually, I agree completely with Nike Husk's comment and based on what I'm hearing, I'm buying the Rubicon's. Thanks for posting - excellent vid and great comparisons!
Congratulations for the video! Great way of comparison!! Dali and focal seems to have a more balanced frequency response. B&W lack of bass?
I can't believe you could actually hear the difference thru youtube. But agree with others, the Focal sounds amazing.
Very Nice 💕
I also like the Focals combo
Focal super vocal.Dali best for disco 80 years.
Dalí the best sound !!
them Focal's though... jeez they sound good!
True. In the past they were called jm lab. and back then they were already the best speakers i ever heard. But today they still sound as one of the best. Neck and neck with sonus faber.
I will have to say that the Focal Sopra is the win win
TOP JOB!!
Fantastic video, this is exactly what so many of us actually want to hear.
Because hearing is so subjective ‘this’ enables us to actually mane informed decisions due to you excellent recording equipment & techniques!
For me personally the 805 D3 was a clear winner because I hear the proportionate pronunciation that makes them far more realistic. I hear the Focal with consistent forward vocal but lacking a mid. The Dali I hear a lovely warm tone but very little definition & no real presentation in the voice.
But I could only pick all that ‘blah blah’ out due to your packaged presentation. To everyone else it’s ‘blah blah’ but to me it has enabled me to make a 100% decision on a few things.
I went away after initially listening to this & then returning to comment & subscribe. While away I found my perfect match, well, 1 of 3 😂.
Great job.
My decision is Bowers & Wilkins 805 D3 with MICHI X3.
I would like the P5 & X5 but budget……. If I had to compromise I would go 705 S2 with ROTEL RA-6000.
Only saying all this in case it helps someone think about a pairing they may not have thought of……
But basically your video enabled me to decide on a speaker, & if I couldn’t match it then I have a good compromise.
I didn’t know what I was looking to ‘hear’. Now I do. So thanks!
Please do more of these with a speaker pair & different amps, although I know it’s a huge amount of work to put all that together.
Thanks man. Glad we can help!
The Focals are a combo of the other 2 speakers ,but I like the B$W also but not as much as those Focals!!😍😍
I like the sound of BnW. Clear n punchy.
FOCALS !
Hi, what difference do you find with the Bryston Pass combo vs Marantz 30?
I wasn't certain that I'd hear much difference, playing through a PC with AudioEngine speakers and DAC, but the FOCAL's shone. They offered more detail, more brilliance, and a greater vibrancy. I own B&W on my home theater and was a bit biased until I finished all three tracks. Focal was my choice, followed by the B&W.
Thanks for the feedback. Appreciate it!
Focal is very musical but in don’t have any idea if it’s going give listening fatigue after a long listening hours. I was a B&W fan ( I still have them) until I purchased TAD S1-EX. Only thing I own from Dali is a subwoofer so just like Focal I don’t have any idea. Thanks for such a wonderful upload.
Focal all day!
By Far de Focals. Jeetje wat springen die er uit zeg. Die zijn echt awesome. De B&W klinkt continu "bedompd" .. ik weet niet hoe ik dat moet zeggen. Ze sprankelen niet.
Best played by Focal Sopra☝
The Focals just sound so well balanced and really musical!
Absolutely agree
I agree
110%
The test session of the marantz model 30 amp and above across the spectrum!!!
Focal , whitout any doubt !
Focal -excelent...
I liked B & W's the sound to my ears is cleaner
You could live with any of them, but my choice would be Focal.
I always loved B&W and grew up with them. But as I was experimenting with Dolby A tweaks I've learned that air adds some extension and binding. The focals do that clearly in multiple demo's. Would love to try them on my set.
Thanks for video. Found you through your audiogon post. Have to check out Dali's--not a name I'd heard before (I live in US).
Wht are those orange loudspeakers ? They got me chills : )
Focal sounds good through this video . I listened through my system. Dali - heavy bass with warm sound . D3 has some issues at lower triple frequencies. Focal vocals separation very good and All rounder and musical
That is a very 'spot on' analysis!
yes i totally agree with this analysis too ... immediately i especially noticed the beautiful extended natural top end of the Focal with nice integration through to the bottom
I would live to try the 805 dang !
Focal is the best here for me.
Beautiful video. Very good set up I can appreciate the sound with headphones.
What are the name of the songs you have played?
Thank you! You can find all the songs in the description of the video.
Love song - ADEL
Thanks for the share , may i know which of the speaker cable you use? thanks for reply.
Driade Flow
Focal is a good association.
I did blind ABC test and I knew exactly when Focal Sopra is playing.I didn't know that it is Focal until the end but I liked it a lot more then other two. Dali and Bowers are hard to distinguish but both sounds compressed against Sopra.
Thanks for trying!
I hate to say it, but it's Focal - hands down!
Hmmm. Interesting comparison, but how much would the sound comparison alter if the microphones were in a different position? Further back, lower height, or raised? Would it change the outcome? I only wonder as where the microphones currently sit their position corresponds to alignment with the tweeter on the B&W's, the main driver on the Focals and obviously nowhere near the mid/ lower drivers on the Dali's.
Mic placing is crucial. Of course it changes when you place them more forward or backward.
I have the 805 d3. Im currently using rotel ra-1580. I wonder how they compare. I’d appreciate your thoughts. Thank you
The Rotel is more rough in the mids and highs. It more 'contrasty' if you can say that in English.
Nice clear musical sound. Yamaha excel with focal.
Focal all the way.
What Mics and Recorder? Mic distance to the Speakers? 24/96 Recording? THanX for further infos!
It should be in the description. But fyi: we use a matched pair of Rode TF5 microphones with a Grace Design M108 pre-amp. We record in 24/48. Distance mic to speaker is approximately 1,5 meters. Ideal for neutral response, minimal roll-of and decent stereo-imaging.
Those focals are insane the shimmer of that hi hat and tambourine combo . You can’t hear on the other two.
Zelfs ik als B&W “fan” moet zeggen dat de Focal echt heel lekker klinkt!
De B&W lijkt iets neutraler en minder spannend te klinken en lijkt wat fundament te missen, de Dali klinkt in vergelijking niet open in het midden en hoog is nogal terughoudend en het laag is nogal prominent en lijkt niet zo strak, ik zou t graag een keer in het echt willen horen.
Bedankt voor de impressie.
De Bowers heeft ook écht minder laagfundament dan de Focal. Op elke versterker die we hebben gehad.
De DALI is een andere klasse dan deze twee. Dat is hoorbaar.
Focal Sopra No1 win
Ordering!
Enjoy!
This really shows its a matter of taste when they get into this price range level. I prefer focal but I could live with the bw if I had to lol. I'm thinking replacing myml 60xt with book shelf sopra1 bc of my stupid entertainment niche I'm stuck in. Thoughts guys?
805 the best!
Definitely the black bookshelves sound the best
Focal конечно!!!
Focal is the best for me
Excelent side by side.
How about put de mic infront of each speaker?
Focal are my dream speaker....someday
None of the speakers showcased here are my dream speakers.
Focal !! Bealtiful !!
I hope you feel honoured because you practically forced me to cast from my phone to cable box, so I'm able to have it come through my speakers!
NICE SOUND!
all I can say for those who are listening on there phone, iPad, laptop etc don't even try to Compare between speakers because you can't even differentiate the sound of the speakers on them sort of devices!
Hahahaha... Thanks for the compliment.
@@TheAlphaAudio you like that complaint did you
well he is another one...
if you had the right lighting (preferably low lighting) then I would have casted to my OLED instead of the cable box so I could have enjoyed the visuals as well as your lovely sounding audio!
@@totalplonker824 working on that as well. We keep improving. Feedback helps.
@@TheAlphaAudio since you're working on it, may I add....I can tell you're the kind of person who would appreciate the rewards of the 'smart lighting route', especially when they can work longside your marvellous audio!
If you click on the red dragon you may get an idea, but you can also get sync boxes to make your audio visually memorising!
It's channels like this that inspires one to improve ones audio
so cheers mate
@@totalplonker824 cool. Will check it out.
Very interesting comparisons indeed. Also the concatenated clips works VERY well for 1st impression (in our busy world). Only one thing that makes me think: the microphones (the ones in the centre of the picture are the ones recording it, are they?) seem to record at quite a large angle, ie quite off axis, presumably for better channel separation, but that would be at the cost of accuracy in frequency response.. so, in the listening examples the b&w sounds v nice, but their frontal presentation might be .. rather well lit...?
Thanks for the comment. Yes... The mics in the shot are for recording. And they are off Axis, but they are also close. So the high rolloff is negligible in my opinion.
TheAlphaAudio - thanks for info! That makes sense.