@@Sky-8754 It's okay just keep it for now and use it~ perhaps you'll get a nice nightmare crownless later no need to replace perfect stats yet and can do 44111 later
@SteparuTV i dont think i will change because i also god like max basic damage on it so yea it like a 1% dreamless and that my 3 one also got like max crit and damage with a good basic bonus
It feels really awful that every single 4 cost echo I have ever farmed that now has a nightmare version is immediately powercrept. This should have been an update to the old echoes, or at the very least the old echoes should still be BiS for some characters
Yeah, it kind of sucks. Perhaps they will still have their use later so I suggest hanging on to them whether it will be used for 4-4-1-1-1 or some kind of transfer system in the works.
ahh I was hoping for nightmare echoes to be kind of a skin for the original ones so I could just use a good thundering mephis echo I already had 😭 however I still got an amazing piece from nightmare and my xiangli yao build is finally completed
Essentially, there's no point in saving/locking the non-nightmare versions right? (except moonlit imp heron maybe) Imma just merge the rest to free up inventory slots
do the nightmare bosses stop dropping after a certain amount of farming? i feel like i've killed so many and yet hardly drops echoes even with food buff
Complete world quest and all nightmare challenges on the area Nightmare challenges are little circles on the ground with enemies or pillars, complete all of them and the boss will appear on map
lorelei is midnight veil exclusive echoes and she is not available in sun sinking sonata, midnight veil's 5 piece bonus is mainly for havoc support (danjin,roccia etc.) as it is pretty much a havoc version of moonlit, you can farm lorelei for sanhua/danjin or if you planned to pull for roccia as veiled nights is probably the BIS sonata for havoc support currently.
I cant get past the dream patrol where I have to forcibly end the the synergy between cuddle wuddle and diggy duggy. I tried all sorts of things, I even cleared the patrol in under 5 seconds. I tried separately killing the small ones then the big ones, and the other way around. How??
why only crownless have no new attack, what happened, this parry is not needed for camelya what they are about??? And why I cannot use my raider's skin on new nightmare raider, I don't want to farm it for changli...
ngl Im a bit overwhelmed by all the echo farming I have to redo and not even sure what to prioritize. the new support set for my coordinated attackers. got zhezhi, yinlin and mortefi so that's 3x the double 3 cost farming. yippie... carlotta echo set. nightmare thundering mephis for my xly/calcharo. nightmare crownless for my danjin/havoc rover. nightmare inferno rider for my encore. its gonna take like 4-5 versions to get good echoes for all of this with my horrendous rng luck. 😭
the coordinated attack set really isnt that great. All 3 of those units do less than 1/4 of the teams dmg usually so moonlit will be basicly equal in 99% of situations. Ice set was previously only used by lingyang who no one plays so at least you dont have to refarm a set you previously had. And the rest are just 4 costs which are the easiest to farm. Imo if you pulled carlotta prioritize getting her a decent set, then the nightmare 4costs and only at the end bother with coordinated set, and imo just skip farming it altogether.
@@hansbernd49 yeah the Empyrean Anthem is practically only really good at a high investment team, needing a crit hit for the buff kinda sucks overall as it loses out on the comfort that moonlit + heron gave, while it definitely has a higher dps ceiling than moonlit what with hecate's buffing coord even further and having a pretty good active skill, yet on the other hand losing out on heron's buff gonna stings a lot if Empyrean's buff didn't proc often.
anyone knows if the drop rate for the nightmare variant differs from their normal counterpart? i've killed nightmare inferno rider 6x but only got the echo once (guaranteed - 1st time).. my data bank lv is 23
I think a good way to help those who farmed for thwir old 4 cost echoes not waste that is to give the old echoes a way to “evolve” into their nightmare variant but limit it to like once or twice a week. Similar to genshin’s custom relic but perhaps less greedy because that’s just once every update if you’ve already gotten all the free ones
its pretty lame that they just tacked on permanent damage bonuses to the nightmare echoes. I would have liked to seem them add actual interesting effects to the active abilities instead of being "push button to do more damage"
which one did you use? I reckon the biggest differences will be crownless for camellya and thundering mephis for xiangli yao as both of those non-nightmare versions where straight trash with long ass animations or annoying cancel windows
People are really hard to please ngl, genshin hasn't done anything to make old aritfacts better....but WuWa is doing that....sure you have to farm everything again,but you can still clear content with the echoes you already invested in,you can just farm nightmare echoes on your free time or when you don't need to farm specific sets yet....being able to convert the normal ones to nightmare is just too ez for an open world game where grinding and exploring are the main thing
They changed some of it now it's auto unlocked! By talking to this cat at 03:41, then some are hidden through the quests shown in the video~
I'm highly disappointed myself for slaving with Dreamless and trashing all my Crownless echoes, lol. Crownless Era has entered.
Gotta refarm it all, unless they add a convert thing later.
@@SteparuTV well my dreamless has like max crit and damage on her so yea she is better
@@Sky-8754 It's okay just keep it for now and use it~ perhaps you'll get a nice nightmare crownless later no need to replace perfect stats yet and can do 44111 later
@SteparuTV i dont think i will change because i also god like max basic damage on it so yea it like a 1% dreamless and that my 3 one also got like max crit and damage with a good basic bonus
waittill you feel this again if they release a nightmare dreamless lmao
Nice. New upgraded echos. My Crownless sub stats was kinda bad so it is nice change.
the guide I was waiting for since the update. 👍
Thank you for watching!
@SteparuTV nah bro thanks for making this amazing video 👍🏼
It feels really awful that every single 4 cost echo I have ever farmed that now has a nightmare version is immediately powercrept. This should have been an update to the old echoes, or at the very least the old echoes should still be BiS for some characters
Yeah, it kind of sucks. Perhaps they will still have their use later so I suggest hanging on to them whether it will be used for 4-4-1-1-1 or some kind of transfer system in the works.
The devs have noticed this complaint and mentioned that they're looking at revamping things to keep old echoes valuable still.
I feel you bro, it's like of my rolls were in vain to have decent stats also the resources were waste 😢
They might change it hopefully
Devs said smth about being able to transfer old 4 cost stats onto new ones. So you don't need to worry (although we're not sure when that'll come yet)
ahh I was hoping for nightmare echoes to be kind of a skin for the original ones so I could just use a good thundering mephis echo I already had 😭 however I still got an amazing piece from nightmare and my xiangli yao build is finally completed
So that co op event was beta test for them
most likely at least they implemented it not like genshin that uses cool mechanic only in event and never agian
Im glad I saved some old Crownless echoes just for Camellya.
Dang, all of it is really easy to use and have a good buff, like inferno is really good for Changli and crownless for camel
itll be interesting to see how spectro and havoc rover will compare with these new sets + echos to their older ones
so the old cost 4 for my XY was like : 2 crit stats , atk% and atk flat, Liberation dmg and now I have to refarm the cost 4 again is such a pain
Time to Catch Them All
Bro thanks i've been looking for thoses nigthmares echoes all day 😅😅
Here we go again echomancing XD
Thanks for the info!
For xy, is the nightmare tempest mephis the best or the thundering one?
the one with liberation damage
Probably Im gonna farm the monkey for jiyan.
And the rest maybe for upcoming character, doesn't really need them rn
Can the new echo sets be used on previous characters? Like havoc mc, yunlin and such?
what is ur graphic setting?
What's with the inconsistency of becoming echo or summoning echo.
Summoning are straight better because it doesn't eat your field time.
Insane camellya buff and yao/calcharo buff
Thundering Memphis is not useless finally
Essentially, there's no point in saving/locking the non-nightmare versions right? (except moonlit imp heron maybe) Imma just merge the rest to free up inventory slots
do the nightmare bosses stop dropping after a certain amount of farming? i feel like i've killed so many and yet hardly drops echoes even with food buff
Requirements to unlock Nightmare Crownless?
Complete world quest and all nightmare challenges on the area
Nightmare challenges are little circles on the ground with enemies or pillars, complete all of them and the boss will appear on map
All of my 4-cost Echo usually have bad stats so this is a win for me. Let’s start farming 😊
how did you do Dream patrol: Knight in a storm ?
I have a question wich is better on soectro rover the new set or the first one with the nightmare echo?
Should I farm the Lorelei echo for Camellya? It provides havoc and basic dmg bonus.
lorelei is midnight veil exclusive echoes and she is not available in sun sinking sonata, midnight veil's 5 piece bonus is mainly for havoc support (danjin,roccia etc.) as it is pretty much a havoc version of moonlit, you can farm lorelei for sanhua/danjin or if you planned to pull for roccia as veiled nights is probably the BIS sonata for havoc support currently.
@aratabhist Thanks for the info!
My yao use atk set should i change nightmare thungdering set ?
Yeah, I'll just wait for the devs to do their magic (since they do mention they're trying to allow substat transfer) than farming all over again
Does nightmare echoes shares the same passive of non nightmare echoes? Because they didn't write it on their passives
Only the main echo gets the passive
You can use both on the list but only one uses it since its considered as different echo
I cant get past the dream patrol where I have to forcibly end the the synergy between cuddle wuddle and diggy duggy. I tried all sorts of things, I even cleared the patrol in under 5 seconds. I tried separately killing the small ones then the big ones, and the other way around. How??
Is nightmare crownless better than dreamless even if you don't use his skill and just want the extra havoc and basic atk bonus?
Yeah, because it's passive bonuses the active is also not bad!
why only crownless have no new attack, what happened, this parry is not needed for camelya what they are about??? And why I cannot use my raider's skin on new nightmare raider, I don't want to farm it for changli...
so ure telling me.. i farmed my ass off on crownless for camellya for it to be powercrept? 😭
ngl Im a bit overwhelmed by all the echo farming I have to redo and not even sure what to prioritize.
the new support set for my coordinated attackers. got zhezhi, yinlin and mortefi so that's 3x the double 3 cost farming. yippie...
carlotta echo set.
nightmare thundering mephis for my xly/calcharo.
nightmare crownless for my danjin/havoc rover.
nightmare inferno rider for my encore.
its gonna take like 4-5 versions to get good echoes for all of this with my horrendous rng luck. 😭
Just take your time, its not like u need stamina for the mainstat anw
We all gonna experience this, so dont worry cause you're not alone 🙂
the coordinated attack set really isnt that great. All 3 of those units do less than 1/4 of the teams dmg usually so moonlit will be basicly equal in 99% of situations. Ice set was previously only used by lingyang who no one plays so at least you dont have to refarm a set you previously had. And the rest are just 4 costs which are the easiest to farm.
Imo if you pulled carlotta prioritize getting her a decent set, then the nightmare 4costs and only at the end bother with coordinated set, and imo just skip farming it altogether.
Awwww the new patch is big, I think they wanted to keep players busy with the contents.
@@hansbernd49 yeah the Empyrean Anthem is practically only really good at a high investment team, needing a crit hit for the buff kinda sucks overall as it loses out on the comfort that moonlit + heron gave, while it definitely has a higher dps ceiling than moonlit what with hecate's buffing coord even further and having a pretty good active skill, yet on the other hand losing out on heron's buff gonna stings a lot if Empyrean's buff didn't proc often.
Hopefully The nightmare echo i get for Changli also has double crit with attack and skill dmg😭
new combo can be unlock
anyone knows if the drop rate for the nightmare variant differs from their normal counterpart? i've killed nightmare inferno rider 6x but only got the echo once (guaranteed - 1st time).. my data bank lv is 23
im new to the game and im wondering can i use echos as food for exp because i just reached UL 58 and im always running out of sealed tubes
You can't use them as food, only after you leveled them up, but you only get a fraction of the amount of exp.
I think a good way to help those who farmed for thwir old 4 cost echoes not waste that is to give the old echoes a way to “evolve” into their nightmare variant but limit it to like once or twice a week. Similar to genshin’s custom relic but perhaps less greedy because that’s just once every update if you’ve already gotten all the free ones
Bro is thier drop rate only 1??? I got only once i killed many times
Having to refarm 4cost echoes again is so dumb.
Why can't it just be an upgrade to the old echoes you already have
Where the fk is temphis memphis he is not on the location which data bank told got all the other echoes.
How to turn off the HUD?
Should be in settings also can change gender there!
its pretty lame that they just tacked on permanent damage bonuses to the nightmare echoes. I would have liked to seem them add actual interesting effects to the active abilities instead of being "push button to do more damage"
Can you do a swap cancel with it?
Obviously, you can.
Yes!
gimme the echo luccccccccccccccck!!!!
3 sec in differents TOA, don't waste your time to make this new echo, if you have best one already
you diminishing your dmg also
which one did you use? I reckon the biggest differences will be crownless for camellya and thundering mephis for xiangli yao as both of those non-nightmare versions where straight trash with long ass animations or annoying cancel windows
@@yslsamu4558 3 sec different about the nightmare you said, basic attack diminish with too much
@@yslsamu4558 i test crown and mephis, 3 sec different
@@Voltwall ah okay, well i didn’t expect major difference anyway but they do look more comfortable and easy to play
People are really hard to please ngl, genshin hasn't done anything to make old aritfacts better....but WuWa is doing that....sure you have to farm everything again,but you can still clear content with the echoes you already invested in,you can just farm nightmare echoes on your free time or when you don't need to farm specific sets yet....being able to convert the normal ones to nightmare is just too ez for an open world game where grinding and exploring are the main thing
Nightmare monkey is so good for jiyan... kuro cooked
Indeed monkey is so good~
good, but don't worth it to change, when you have good-god like roll stats on your current monkey
Now you don't need to pre casting monkey before building outro for mortefi. That's insane W for kuro