I think its because i cannot get the positioning right. Even if i know enough anatomy, its still tricky to draw. Something seems wrong even if it is anatomicaly correct... but i can mold or carve hands just fine... 2d-3d thing perhaps?
***** -claps- somebody actually understands how to learn. I learn the same way by studying bone structures in the body which makes it 100 times easier to draw.
It's really hard to draw them just from top of my head. One have to make a lot of studies. One have to have a 3D model, drawing from photos is not helping much. Looking at anatomy pictures also helps.
Study the hand and draw it very largely, the back and front. Then draw it smaller and smaller till you get a exact scale Hands and feet are hard because we never look at someone's hands or feet, which makes it hard to imagine and draw. We normally look at their arms, chest, and most importantly eyes Or boobs/butt. BUT ANYWAY Study to Practice! Practice to Perfection!
Yes I did watch the same video you watched. But depends who draws anime faces some make them well anime others draw faces quite realistic in anime art style.
Actually there's a whole system called the canon of proportions to the face. A grid is okay if you're trying to copy from a picture but to have actual skill and be able to draw from life or memory the canon will far exceed the grid every time.
The grid system is really good but what if you aren't drawing from a photo and you don't have anywhere to place a wire mesh frame thingy. I usually use well know proportions (eyes in middle of head, nose ends about halfway between nose and chin, the outermost bit of the nose and the innermost bit of the eye should point to the start of the eyebrow and so on and so forth) and just judge it by eye. This means that you can sketch a person in a minute or two or get a sort of accurate basis for a more in depth drawing.
I think another reason we really suck at drawing faces is because we see them all the time. We end up staring at faces enough that we get picky about anything that isn't a real human (a drawing). It's like living in a world of perfect cubes. If you draw a cube that's slightly off, it's not going to look right at all. I think it's nearly impossible to draw a perfect cube, so we're all going to think every drawing sucks. It's just a theory I thought of. I don't think it's 100% right at all, but again, just an idea.
You are correct, in the same way that something looks "off" when we see CGI animals in films, we instantly know its just not real because we've seen them so many times. On the contrary, if we see CGI monsters or artistic versions of extinct animals we don't sense that "fakeness" as easy.
bracoop2 I think it depends on many factors weather or not something seems real. For example, when you look at this guy (www.thegnomonworkshop.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/45938_1344509894_large.jpg), you'd think that its a photograph, but its actually a 3d rendering. Animation on the other hand, can also be detected and we can see if something is fake or not, just by how its animated. As far as movies go, it has a lot to do with animation, and the lighting. To make a scene look convincing. A lot of these action movies like The Amazing Spider Man have digital doubles that are animated hyper realistically using talented artists, and automated scripts.
Movement certainly makes it much more difficult to make something look convincingly real. I often think 2 dimensional portraitscan give a more believable effect than 3d renderings, though. That picture actually wasn't entirely convincing to me, it did look like a computer generated image. I think you are right about the lighting being important, too, as that is something that stood out for me in that image. That sort of animation still tends to only be believable where the face can't really be seen, as with The Amazing Spider Man.
I found that learning 3D modeling and sometimes animation had greatly improved my ability to draw humans. However it's a two way street. The better i am at drawing them, the better i model them. The better i model them, the easier they are to draw. But if i fall out of regular practice with either.. The skills begin to decline :/
Yeah, my instructors said that the more you 3d model, the better you're able to draw... unfortunately, I'm better at character animating than 3d modeling.
I thought I was okay at drawing faces. I was taught from a very young age that the eyes are in the middle and line up with the ears. Who was taught anything different?
that irritates me also. my friends at school are making their own manga that looks above average, while when i try it looks like a 6th grader's work -_-
I can draw objects and even animals, but never humans. I've been greatly interested in animals since I was a little girl, so I've drawn them since then. This is how I learned to put human emotions on animal faces flawlessly. I never tried drawing a human because, in my mind, humans were boring. You saw them everyday, and there weren't very many graceful curves to draw and fur you could put cool designs in. Now when I try to draw humans, it NEVER turns out right. I'll keep practicing like you said, but I'm not sure I can do it.
I know that feeling. Sometimes I draw people for things you can't do with animals, such as clothing and weapons, but I always screw up the neck... that is why I like drawing dragons. Their necks go everywhere and they don't even care.
TheDragonCat99 were same after all, I usually draw things that are peculiar and comes from my mind. I'm that kind of artist who is terrible at drawing humans and references.
I have been drawing since the age of six, and I always knew the actual position of the eyes. It is because I have always been very observant and detail oriented. You could say I am a perfectionist and you would not be wrong. When my classmates were still drawing stick figures, and putting the eyes at the top of the head, I was actually looking at what I wanted to draw and trying to match it exactly. Of course those early drawings were a bit crude, but I had everything basically in the correct place, including the the eyes, nose, mouth, ears, hair, and even the eyebrows and eyelashes. My teachers were amazed at my ability to see and draw what I was looking at so well. I know! People think I'm tooting my own horn! Yes I am, but it is backed up by all the praise and all the people that have wanted to be drawn by me. At the age of 21 I did a large series of drawings of every customer at a local bar, and proprietor had a whole wall dedicated to those drawings behind the bar I sat at as I drew. While I agree with your statements, which are of course backed up by research, I also know personally that there are exceptions to every rule, and that is backed up by my own life!
No professional artist should be going off of just reference images. If you want to be a professional artist, you need to know a little about the anatomy of what you are making.
This effect also affects how we draw proportions of objects in scenes. Sight-Size is a way starting artists fight in. Encajar method on the other hand doing same thing but also teaches you to see differently, like an artist, making you see language of shapes.
Nope hands are the real struggle. Feet too. Faces are fun. THEN HANDS- the sausages. I'm decent at drawing self taught... for my age? Everything I do is cartoony, why should I do realistic things when we have cameras? Whoop.
You should learn how to do realistic things because all styles are based off of life. If you just want to draw as a little hobby ignore this, but if you want to be an actual artist learn how to draw like an actual artist.
It's funny cause sometimes I'll draw the eyes rather low on the face, giving my character a big forehead, maybe back in elementary school I would draw the eyes slightly higher from a normal face but from there on they stayed in the middle of the face.
I thought we had some special circuitry in our heads for recognizing faces? If that conjecture holds, drawing faces could be more difficult objectively simply because we can easily tell when something is amiss (as opposed to, say, recognizing wrong-looking trees unless you're actually an arborist).
I think it's a mixture of reasons, but one that wasn't mentioned is that eyebrows are darker and cheek bones are lighter (due to them catching more light with them protruding) and we see the dark areas as where the eyes are. As the majority of the dark area is above the eyes this pulls them higher on the face. The space between the eyes and eyebrows is also visually larger than we perceive and are also a lot darker increasing this.
Hi Trace, just wondering, how does it feel to be outnumbered two to one? Any thoughts on getting a fourth, preferably male, host? PS you don't actually believe that Anthony voluntarily "retired" do you? For your safety, it may be wise to keep an eye on Tara
I'm pretty alright at faces but as relatively experienced artist, some of the things you did didn't apply to me. I think for an actual artist the difficultly is capturing the subtleties. The nuances of the the many curves involved in drawing an eye to look exactly like a picture is quite difficult. I would definitely agree it takes time and practice. Fundamentally I think art (real art) is about seeing well. When you see well you draw well.
Agreed. Most of the aspects mentioned do not apply to me either. As you said it's those nuances that need to be as best as possible. I don't struggle with faces but it's definitely practice and lots of it over the years and spending about 70% of our time looking and the rest putting to paper/canvas.
that's why you're supposed to learn how to draw skulls if you really want to draw good faces. a huge part of portraiture is anatomy. we also tend to make the eyes way too large, and i've heard this is because these are the main features we focus on when talking to a person
also as children we are thaught the symbols for the different features instead of actually learning to draw what we see. Like eyes are drawn like two oval shapes with dots in the middle and the mouth like a wide u-shape. The problem is there is no such simplified symbol for the forehead and therefore children tend to just leave that part out. The secret to drawing is drawing what you see, not what you think you see
faces have so much detail. whenever I see a face, i don't notice the individual differences in their nose shapes or eyes distances from everything else on the face and stuff, i just see the whole face as a single thing.
I'm actually very good at drawing faces. I began scribbling on the back of my homework assignments around the age of seven (yeah, fuck school, I'm an artist goddammit). I first began paying close attention to photographs and very carefully transposing that image onto paper WITHOUT TRACING (you cheaters). After a while, I began to pay closer attention to people's faces, studying the subtle nuances of facial expressions. After several years of practice, I became so comfortable drawing faces I was drawing them without a photo reference, even though I still use photographs as a reference. The real magic happens when you learn to add little quirks that don't appear in the photo, such as making the eyes more expressive, making the jawline stronger and accentuating or even flat out exaggerating the muscle-tone, lifting the cheek bones, etc. Then there's the anatomy of the human body, which I also excel at, but that's a whole other area of study. But in general, it's the same process: OBSERVE and PRACTICE.
This will help greatly. I tend to draw in an anime-type style, and I don't usually draw the features that high, but they're a bit too high up occasionally. There are times when I completely fumble and draw something that looks off and strange.
im not drawing faces, I model it then texture it, then rig it, then animate it, then light it, then render it, and then compose it. Oh man im so good at it
I found this interesting because although I'm by no means a professional, every art teacher I've ever had has said I have a knack for faces. It's mostly because I have done research on facial and body proportions and because my teacher always reminds me to draw what is actually in front of me, not what I know to be there. Like when people that think they're the best portrait artists in the class and make dark outlines around everything especially noses.
well i kept looking at trace and I am pretty sure the eyes are not in the midle of the face.. or maybe it just looks like that when the mouth is closed
As an artist, I believe it's the second hypothesis. The hair as a hat one. Because we focus so much on the facial features, we perceive the hair as a secondary trait and something that we can just put on top afterwards, thus we see the face shape as something that only goes to the hairline, making us place the eyes further up on the oval. A little bit of practice and knowledge of where features are supposed to be will fix that quickly.
Faces were a problem for me growing up, I tended to make them more cartoon looking and elongated; however I realized this problem and when I got into college I started to draw them realistically to hone in on that problem. I would do anywhere from 5-15 full figure illustrations of real people a week. Needless to stay yes, practice makes perfect and I draw people significantly better now.
I think that we view eyes as the top of the head because I think we start with the eyes and work down in order to understand expressions. the forehead is just the margin before the story begins, so we don't really know how much space it takes up.
I couldn't help staring at Trace's eyes the whole video, and yep, looks like they are in the middle. But here's one more thing I noticed: the eyebrows are always getting in the way when I try to measure the distance. Could it be some kind of optical illusion or something?
I dont suck in drawing faces but drawing faces when they are on one side ,sometimes looks like the lips are poping up or the chin is not good or the nose is too pointy is just gets to messy
I think hands are feet are harder to draw because they don't really have a definite shape. The face is pretty much just an oval/circle, the torso is usually represented by either rectangles or ovals (depending on the artist's style), and the limbs are basically just long rectangles. The hands aren't so simple. They kind of have their own structure. Here's how I do hands: The base of the hand is a stumpy rectangle, the thumb is a circle with a couple rounded rectangles on top, and the fingers are all just series of rectangles stacked on top of each other with subtle curves thrown in. I've seen people use diamond shapes and rhomboids for hands and feet, and I've also seen lines for where the fingers go, so it really just depends on which method is easiest to you.
It also has a lot to do with what people see when they see people: the face. Like making a movie and getting the character's head in the screen, all you gotta get is the face, the forehead/hair are ok to be out of view
I am prih-tay good at drawing... and have a fair bit of practice and still suffer from the biases mentioned. I have to consciously put effort into the initial strokes I make to get the foundation shapes and positions right.
I started drawing when I am about 5-6 years old. I do lots of drawing, and improve my skills every drawing. I also put in my mind the phrase: "draw what you see, not what you think" which is told by my cousin painter But the problem is I am having a hard time in shading.
Interesting, I was always good at drawing faces but this was probably because Iearnt this trick early on in art at school, always draw the face shape first, then a line half way through where the eyes should be.
I did always wonder why it is so tempting to draw eyes at the top of the face, especially to children/people without art experience. Personally I find faces relatively easy to draw, only because they're pretty much all I ever end up doing when I'm doodling casually. For me the texture of hair/fur, glass objects and folds in material are the hardest to capture.
Is there a name for drawing eyes LOWER on the head, and not higher? I tend to do this a lot. And the noses of humans and animals tend to be lower on the face.
I couldn't draw faces until I started watching Mark Crilley's channel here on youtube. Now I'm pretty good at drawing anime faces and anime in general. The first thing I had to learn was how to draw anime-style eyes. After that, I worked on learning the finer details and broader techniques and developed my own style which I use pretty consistently now, but I still can't seem to draw the same character twice. Oh well.
i can draw, but not faces. i just finished my first art class in college and it was all about still lives. i didn't understand how someone could make something look real just by using a pencil because i am a cartoonist. by the end of the semester i completely understood how people made apples, bones, and even fabric come to life. its amazing what the basics can teach you.
actually that makes sense to me! I'm good at drawing, but I always fall short of space for the forehead :x meaning I draw the eyes too high near the hair line...
I always put the eyes halfway between the chin and the top of the head because I was taught that that is where they go, I still suck at drawing faces though, one eye will be bigger than the other, one will be to far away from midline, I just mess everything up really.
This is so true, I always have to remind myself of where the eyes go. Granted, with my chosen style, I could get away with putting the eyes a little higher or lower on the face.
As a kid, I did tend to draw the eyes too high, but fortunately for me the age old method of drawing heads and faces was passed down to me pretty early on. So, yup.
would it be easier to draw a circle if the paper wasn't a rectangle? I mean, you did say the brain is lazy, maybe it wants to fill in the shape, or copy the shape.
I suck at drawing faces, but I never really practiced drawing them either. In school art class I actually was decent at drawing, so this kind of stood out. But not only faces, human features in general.
1:31 So... Is it the head-as-a-box-hypothesis (as he said it is) or is it the hair-as-a-box-hypothesis (as it was written)? I assume head but I figured I'd give you guys a hair-up (;D) about that inconsistency.
As an artist and an educator I'd say that the face is the easiest part to draw or to sculpt, because our brains are evolved to recognize faces but we never recognize someone by his other pars(well we can but it is more difficult).
I'm actually pretty learned at drawing. It's all about the big picture. Detail is what the audience is drawn to, but until an artist can learn to ignore detail entirely, they have no business drawing the detail.
It's always important to think of the face as a form in 3D space. Making circles, boxes and triangles to emphasize this, can be very helpfull to determine where you should place the eyes, mouth and nose. Remember guidelines too. And also measuring the lenght between facial features can give better results. Okay I'm gonna stop now.
I'm a classically trained artist with 20+ years experience drawing the human figure, painting portraits and things. Drawing faces is still very hard to this day. You really do have to trick the brain to go away and let you observe the subject as it is.
I find noses to be among the hardest things to draw to look nice fairly ok at the rest of the face but now i just draw for fun. Among the worst things i do is not leave enough space on the paper when drawing full figure and end up cropping off part of the lower leg or more.
I'm pretty good at drawing eyes, or rather one eye at a time. I can't draw two symmetrical eyes and I tend to mess up the proportions when drawing a whole face.
As an artist, my understanding is that we place greater importance on the features of the face, while mentally ignoring the equally large forehead and hairline because they are less important for understanding emotion and recognizing the person. This also explains why we often draw eyes and heads in general as considerably larger than they actually are.
I like to draw a lot, and it took awhile to get eyes in the right spot. A thing that always bothered me was that once a little girl was watching me, and asked "Why are the eyes in the wrong spot?" I asked her where the eyes should go, and she pointed at the top of the forehead. Kids tho.
HUMAN faces is something that took me a good few years to get XD SOO MUCH PRACTICE!! I look back at my souphmore year drawings in highschool and just 'cringe' at the horrible disfigured, misplaced looking things I called 'people.' The circle system (sketch a circle and then make two lines for where the eyes should be positioned) helped me IMMENSELY!! *^* My suggestion is to practice realism first so you've a general idea of how the human anatomy is. Then from there develop your own style!
it is my hobby since i was a child. i can draw anime only if i had a reference i can't draw from memory and when i start to draw realistic portraits it is really hard for me...then i decided to quit drawing cause i never get better than before
I'm bad at drawing faces, but I'm also bad at drawing everything else.
I'm bad at everything else. Including commenting.
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I can relate
I have problems at drawing the hands and feet more than anything else...
same. D:
Hands and feet are considered to be the hardest part to draw of the human body :/
I think its because i cannot get the positioning right. Even if i know enough anatomy, its still tricky to draw. Something seems wrong even if it is anatomicaly correct... but i can mold or carve hands just fine... 2d-3d thing perhaps?
***** its a consensus among artists and hobbyist... do you have no troubles drawing hands? I tend to put it out of sight...
I once drew an almost perfect hand then i realized that the pinky is missing... that probably is why toons only have four fingers...
Here's a question; why are hands and feets so hard to draw?
Because... SCIENCE!
they aren't try using a pentagon as a base for the hands instead of a rectangle. That's how I do it.
***** -claps- somebody actually understands how to learn. I learn the same way by studying bone structures in the body which makes it 100 times easier to draw.
It's really hard to draw them just from top of my head. One have to make a lot of studies. One have to have a 3D model, drawing from photos is not helping much. Looking at anatomy pictures also helps.
Study the hand and draw it very largely, the back and front.
Then draw it smaller and smaller till you get a exact scale
Hands and feet are hard because we never look at someone's hands or feet, which makes it hard to imagine and draw. We normally look at their arms, chest, and most importantly eyes Or boobs/butt.
BUT ANYWAY
Study to Practice!
Practice to Perfection!
Can't...draw...the other...eye...*^*
TWINKLE TWINKLE LITTLE STAR WHY IS ART SO FUCKING HARD
+Evoli Glaziola IKR?!??
I uhh can draw the other eye but apparently my new drawing program makes me draw like shit just look at my profile picture.
Ms paint is better
I know right
I can't get the face perfectly symmetrical
Amber Doan me too
i find this hilarious because the one good thing im great at drawing are faces. i cant draw bodies or hands well but faces are easy
same
Per Son I know right!!!
Per Son so true ;-;
Per Son same!
I'm also really good at hands...
Oddly enough
I'm getting better at bodies as well.
lol I'm the conplete opposite....I can draw a body and fingers easy but faces always take me a while to draw
I love anime. I can draw faces, but when I do mess up I go apeshit and start throwing shit.
Anime is not a realistic face.
***** And your point is?
xAvitaLT The point is the video is talking about real face's, not anime. Did you even watch it?
Yes I did watch the same video you watched. But depends who draws anime faces some make them well anime others draw faces quite realistic in anime art style.
I suck at realistic portraits. I Can draw in a lot of other styles but realistic is so hard... Q^Q
Really? I'm the opposite, realistic is the only thing I find easy :P
Luiz Vaz that is so true I:
Luiz Vaz You are so right! I really regret starting with manga, its made it harder now that I'm trying to move away from that style of art.
pick up a book on classical drawing man, and practice practice practice
i started drawing manga but when i switched to realistic drawing it was hard as fuck
The grid system is the best way to get a likeness of a person!
Haha, your name!
Dat name though.
It kinda sucks when it comes to portraying emotion though it's best used only as an learning tool
Actually there's a whole system called the canon of proportions to the face. A grid is okay if you're trying to copy from a picture but to have actual skill and be able to draw from life or memory the canon will far exceed the grid every time.
The grid system is really good but what if you aren't drawing from a photo and you don't have anywhere to place a wire mesh frame thingy. I usually use well know proportions (eyes in middle of head, nose ends about halfway between nose and chin, the outermost bit of the nose and the innermost bit of the eye should point to the start of the eyebrow and so on and so forth) and just judge it by eye. This means that you can sketch a person in a minute or two or get a sort of accurate basis for a more in depth drawing.
I think another reason we really suck at drawing faces is because we see them all the time. We end up staring at faces enough that we get picky about anything that isn't a real human (a drawing). It's like living in a world of perfect cubes. If you draw a cube that's slightly off, it's not going to look right at all. I think it's nearly impossible to draw a perfect cube, so we're all going to think every drawing sucks. It's just a theory I thought of. I don't think it's 100% right at all, but again, just an idea.
Yeah, it is really obvious to us when faces don't look right because we spend so much time looking at them and they are so important to us.
***** I agree. That's a great way to put it!
You are correct, in the same way that something looks "off" when we see CGI animals in films, we instantly know its just not real because we've seen them so many times. On the contrary, if we see CGI monsters or artistic versions of extinct animals we don't sense that "fakeness" as easy.
bracoop2 I think it depends on many factors weather or not something seems real. For example, when you look at this guy (www.thegnomonworkshop.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/45938_1344509894_large.jpg), you'd think that its a photograph, but its actually a 3d rendering. Animation on the other hand, can also be detected and we can see if something is fake or not, just by how its animated. As far as movies go, it has a lot to do with animation, and the lighting. To make a scene look convincing. A lot of these action movies like The Amazing Spider Man have digital doubles that are animated hyper realistically using talented artists, and automated scripts.
Movement certainly makes it much more difficult to make something look convincingly real. I often think 2 dimensional portraitscan give a more believable effect than 3d renderings, though. That picture actually wasn't entirely convincing to me, it did look like a computer generated image. I think you are right about the lighting being important, too, as that is something that stood out for me in that image. That sort of animation still tends to only be believable where the face can't really be seen, as with The Amazing Spider Man.
"Do you suck at drawing faces? Ofcourse you do."
for all present people who are able to draw well, I'd like to say:
Speak for yourself Trace!
calm yoself
Thank you
Holding a drawing up to a mirror or turning it upside down are two good ways too identify errors in the drawing.
I found that learning 3D modeling and sometimes animation had greatly improved my ability to draw humans.
However it's a two way street. The better i am at drawing them, the better i model them. The better i model them, the easier they are to draw.
But if i fall out of regular practice with either.. The skills begin to decline :/
Definitely
Oh Dang, they're onto me!
xD
Yeah, my instructors said that the more you 3d model, the better you're able to draw... unfortunately, I'm better at character animating than 3d modeling.
People aren't much worse at drawing faces relative to anything else: it's just that we are much better at detecting inaccuracies in faces.
I thought I was okay at drawing faces. I was taught from a very young age that the eyes are in the middle and line up with the ears. Who was taught anything different?
***** I kno dos feels brah
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Okay, so then why am I so bad at drawing everything else?
I have like the opposite problem. I can draw a human face pretty well without a reference, but I can't draw anime or cartoon humans at all.
that irritates me also. my friends at school are making their own manga that looks above average, while when i try it looks like a 6th grader's work -_-
Is it ironic his name is Trace?
I think so, I think it’s situational irony
I can draw objects and even animals, but never humans.
I've been greatly interested in animals since I was a little girl, so I've drawn them since then. This is how I learned to put human emotions on animal faces flawlessly.
I never tried drawing a human because, in my mind, humans were boring. You saw them everyday, and there weren't very many graceful curves to draw and fur you could put cool designs in.
Now when I try to draw humans, it NEVER turns out right. I'll keep practicing like you said, but I'm not sure I can do it.
Wow me two I love annals drawing them is the best
I know that feeling. Sometimes I draw people for things you can't do with animals, such as clothing and weapons, but I always screw up the neck... that is why I like drawing dragons. Their necks go everywhere and they don't even care.
Ya I like that I suck at drawing necks but I can draw clothes and weapons
TheDragonCat99 were same after all, I usually draw things that are peculiar and comes from my mind. I'm that kind of artist who is terrible at drawing humans and references.
I have been drawing since the age of six, and I always knew the actual position of the eyes. It is because I have always been very observant and detail oriented. You could say I am a perfectionist and you would not be wrong. When my classmates were still drawing stick figures, and putting the eyes at the top of the head, I was actually looking at what I wanted to draw and trying to match it exactly. Of course those early drawings were a bit crude, but I had everything basically in the correct place, including the the eyes, nose, mouth, ears, hair, and even the eyebrows and eyelashes. My teachers were amazed at my ability to see and draw what I was looking at so well.
I know! People think I'm tooting my own horn! Yes I am, but it is backed up by all the praise and all the people that have wanted to be drawn by me. At the age of 21 I did a large series of drawings of every customer at a local bar, and proprietor had a whole wall dedicated to those drawings behind the bar I sat at as I drew.
While I agree with your statements, which are of course backed up by research, I also know personally that there are exceptions to every rule, and that is backed up by my own life!
No professional artist should be going off of just reference images. If you want to be a professional artist, you need to know a little about the anatomy of what you are making.
faces? da hell man, hands suck way harder!
This effect also affects how we draw proportions of objects in scenes. Sight-Size is a way starting artists fight in. Encajar method on the other hand doing same thing but also teaches you to see differently, like an artist, making you see language of shapes.
Nope hands are the real struggle. Feet too. Faces are fun. THEN HANDS- the sausages. I'm decent at drawing self taught... for my age? Everything I do is cartoony, why should I do realistic things when we have cameras? Whoop.
Oh my god I hate HANDS!
They're just...FRUSTRATING
You should learn how to do realistic things because all styles are based off of life. If you just want to draw as a little hobby ignore this, but if you want to be an actual artist learn how to draw like an actual artist.
i have no problem with hands and faces. Feet are hard for me
It's funny cause sometimes I'll draw the eyes rather low on the face, giving my character a big forehead, maybe back in elementary school I would draw the eyes slightly higher from a normal face but from there on they stayed in the middle of the face.
Science is the new religion.
No
isthisusernamelong yes
I do worship science every morning, I pray for the progress of science before I sleep or eat.
A religion which accepts it's flaws with total transparency in front of the people it is subject to? Then sure, that religion is respectable.
And cheese is a new meat :D
I thought we had some special circuitry in our heads for recognizing faces? If that conjecture holds, drawing faces could be more difficult objectively simply because we can easily tell when something is amiss (as opposed to, say, recognizing wrong-looking trees unless you're actually an arborist).
I'm actually really good at drawing I don't know why I'm here
Ikr! me too
I think it's a mixture of reasons, but one that wasn't mentioned is that eyebrows are darker and cheek bones are lighter (due to them catching more light with them protruding) and we see the dark areas as where the eyes are. As the majority of the dark area is above the eyes this pulls them higher on the face. The space between the eyes and eyebrows is also visually larger than we perceive and are also a lot darker increasing this.
I suck at any kind of art.
Hi Trace,
just wondering, how does it feel to be outnumbered two to one? Any thoughts on getting a fourth, preferably male, host?
PS you don't actually believe that Anthony voluntarily "retired" do you? For your safety, it may be wise to keep an eye on Tara
I'm pretty alright at faces but as relatively experienced artist, some of the things you did didn't apply to me. I think for an actual artist the difficultly is capturing the subtleties. The nuances of the the many curves involved in drawing an eye to look exactly like a picture is quite difficult. I would definitely agree it takes time and practice. Fundamentally I think art (real art) is about seeing well. When you see well you draw well.
Agreed. Most of the aspects mentioned do not apply to me either. As you said it's those nuances that need to be as best as possible. I don't struggle with faces but it's definitely practice and lots of it over the years and spending about 70% of our time looking and the rest putting to paper/canvas.
that's why you're supposed to learn how to draw skulls if you really want to draw good faces. a huge part of portraiture is anatomy.
we also tend to make the eyes way too large, and i've heard this is because these are the main features we focus on when talking to a person
I'm alright at faces, then again, faces and heads are what I draw the most.
also as children we are thaught the symbols for the different features instead of actually learning to draw what we see. Like eyes are drawn like two oval shapes with dots in the middle and the mouth like a wide u-shape. The problem is there is no such simplified symbol for the forehead and therefore children tend to just leave that part out. The secret to drawing is drawing what you see, not what you think you see
Do you suck at drawing faces? Of course you do, because science."
THE ONLY EXPLENATION
I don't believe in science :/
There is ALWAYS another explanation that my brain can come up with.
faces have so much detail. whenever I see a face, i don't notice the individual differences in their nose shapes or eyes distances from everything else on the face and stuff, i just see the whole face as a single thing.
I'm actually very good at drawing faces. I began scribbling on the back of my homework assignments around the age of seven (yeah, fuck school, I'm an artist goddammit). I first began paying close attention to photographs and very carefully transposing that image onto paper WITHOUT TRACING (you cheaters).
After a while, I began to pay closer attention to people's faces, studying the subtle nuances of facial expressions. After several years of practice, I became so comfortable drawing faces I was drawing them without a photo reference, even though I still use photographs as a reference.
The real magic happens when you learn to add little quirks that don't appear in the photo, such as making the eyes more expressive, making the jawline stronger and accentuating or even flat out exaggerating the muscle-tone, lifting the cheek bones, etc.
Then there's the anatomy of the human body, which I also excel at, but that's a whole other area of study. But in general, it's the same process: OBSERVE and PRACTICE.
This will help greatly. I tend to draw in an anime-type style, and I don't usually draw the features that high, but they're a bit too high up occasionally.
There are times when I completely fumble and draw something that looks off and strange.
im not drawing faces, I model it then texture it, then rig it, then animate it, then light it, then render it, and then compose it. Oh man im so good at it
Hubris will be your downfall.
odobenus159 he gets more chicks than you do though...
Dylan Anderson I bet he does too.
I found this interesting because although I'm by no means a professional, every art teacher I've ever had has said I have a knack for faces. It's mostly because I have done research on facial and body proportions and because my teacher always reminds me to draw what is actually in front of me, not what I know to be there. Like when people that think they're the best portrait artists in the class and make dark outlines around everything especially noses.
I tell u the secret .we draw eyes on top of the face to make room for nose and mouth .
Am i right or wrong ?
well i kept looking at trace and I am pretty sure the eyes are not in the midle of the face.. or maybe it just looks like that when the mouth is closed
As an artist I consider my self pretty good at it but it gets harder when I paint realistically but it gets easier if u practice
Well, I tried to draw a picture of my boyfriend's face from the side once, and it ended up looking like Putin. Sigh.
that's funny; I tried to draw a portrait of Putin and it wound up looking like Bruce Willis.
ae you dating Bruce Willis?
Hahahaha no lol
As an artist, I believe it's the second hypothesis. The hair as a hat one. Because we focus so much on the facial features, we perceive the hair as a secondary trait and something that we can just put on top afterwards, thus we see the face shape as something that only goes to the hairline, making us place the eyes further up on the oval. A little bit of practice and knowledge of where features are supposed to be will fix that quickly.
I'm alright at anime faces but I'm not very good at realistic except for the drawing of Taylor Swift I did, pretty proud of that one.
+JacquelineThePurpleGirl haha lol me to
+JacquelineThePurpleGirl much prefer doing anime,realistic ones are booooring
Faces were a problem for me growing up, I tended to make them more cartoon looking and elongated; however I realized this problem and when I got into college I started to draw them realistically to hone in on that problem. I would do anywhere from 5-15 full figure illustrations of real people a week. Needless to stay yes, practice makes perfect and I draw people significantly better now.
hands are difficult too!
I think that we view eyes as the top of the head because I think we start with the eyes and work down in order to understand expressions. the forehead is just the margin before the story begins, so we don't really know how much space it takes up.
Me: *vaguely listening*
-"ARE YOU A FAN OF ANIME?"-
Me: WHA
-"OR K-POP?"-
Me: YES YES WHY
I have a problem.
*****
We have the same profile picture XD
I couldn't help staring at Trace's eyes the whole video, and yep, looks like they are in the middle. But here's one more thing I noticed: the eyebrows are always getting in the way when I try to measure the distance. Could it be some kind of optical illusion or something?
I love drawing and anime but I'm not perfect yet but I'm getting there😊
I dont suck in drawing faces but drawing faces when they are on one side ,sometimes looks like the lips are poping up or the chin is not good or the nose is too pointy is just gets to messy
_The answer to why I am such a terrible artist_
*_I have found it_*
And no I don't like K-pop I don't get why it's a thing now
Neither.
Neither what?
+Ξ Ňøcŧıvαgυƨ Ƈσɍαx Ξ i don't like k-Pop
For some reason I feel like this isn't the first time I have paused a DNews video to draw you.
Faces aren't that hard, it's always the hands that always bug me.
The hands are easy to draw
Anime face don't count
I think hands are feet are harder to draw because they don't really have a definite shape. The face is pretty much just an oval/circle, the torso is usually represented by either rectangles or ovals (depending on the artist's style), and the limbs are basically just long rectangles. The hands aren't so simple. They kind of have their own structure.
Here's how I do hands:
The base of the hand is a stumpy rectangle, the thumb is a circle with a couple rounded rectangles on top, and the fingers are all just series of rectangles stacked on top of each other with subtle curves thrown in.
I've seen people use diamond shapes and rhomboids for hands and feet, and I've also seen lines for where the fingers go, so it really just depends on which method is easiest to you.
It also has a lot to do with what people see when they see people: the face. Like making a movie and getting the character's head in the screen, all you gotta get is the face, the forehead/hair are ok to be out of view
EVERYBODY DO THE 'UNNO!
I am prih-tay good at drawing... and have a fair bit of practice and still suffer from the biases mentioned. I have to consciously put effort into the initial strokes I make to get the foundation shapes and positions right.
I can draw anime faces, but not human faces.... :/ Uhhh.... *Smurrr*
Haha same when the art teacher is like draw a "realistic" person I'm like 0-0.... May I be excused?
Gracie S Sherrill lol rightt? but luckily, my art teacher lets me draw anime. Theres a gigantic anime pic on the wall in our classroom
I started drawing when I am about 5-6 years old.
I do lots of drawing, and improve my skills every drawing.
I also put in my mind the phrase: "draw what you see, not what you think" which is told by my cousin painter
But the problem is I am having a hard time in shading.
Welp, I like anime eyes lol
me too!
Interesting, I was always good at drawing faces but this was probably because Iearnt this trick early on in art at school, always draw the face shape first, then a line half way through where the eyes should be.
Wow there are like no comments XD
this is what you tube has done ;w;
One of the best shows of d news till date. Thanks Trace 🙆👍
my profile pic is my drawing
awesome ;)
that is legitimately the best drawing I have ever seen.....I'm crying....so beautiful.....
😂😂😂 why is anime the only relevant thing when it comes to drawing. I swear every art page is anime like tf
So does this explain why the faces in most old paintings are so ugly?
I LOVE ANIME!!!!!
I did always wonder why it is so tempting to draw eyes at the top of the face, especially to children/people without art experience. Personally I find faces relatively easy to draw, only because they're pretty much all I ever end up doing when I'm doodling casually. For me the texture of hair/fur, glass objects and folds in material are the hardest to capture.
Is there a name for drawing eyes LOWER on the head, and not higher? I tend to do this a lot. And the noses of humans and animals tend to be lower on the face.
I couldn't draw faces until I started watching Mark Crilley's channel here on youtube. Now I'm pretty good at drawing anime faces and anime in general. The first thing I had to learn was how to draw anime-style eyes. After that, I worked on learning the finer details and broader techniques and developed my own style which I use pretty consistently now, but I still can't seem to draw the same character twice. Oh well.
i can draw, but not faces. i just finished my first art class in college and it was all about still lives. i didn't understand how someone could make something look real just by using a pencil because i am a cartoonist. by the end of the semester i completely understood how people made apples, bones, and even fabric come to life. its amazing what the basics can teach you.
I can draw really well eyes, nose and mouth. putting them together, i fail so hard that my picture dun even look lik human anymore.
actually that makes sense to me! I'm good at drawing, but I always fall short of space for the forehead :x meaning I draw the eyes too high near the hair line...
I always put the eyes halfway between the chin and the top of the head because I was taught that that is where they go, I still suck at drawing faces though, one eye will be bigger than the other, one will be to far away from midline, I just mess everything up really.
This is so true, I always have to remind myself of where the eyes go. Granted, with my chosen style, I could get away with putting the eyes a little higher or lower on the face.
Traaaaace, some patterns on your shirt made it really hard for me to focus on this video.!! Gimmie that shirt I'll sew it correctly!
As a kid, I did tend to draw the eyes too high, but fortunately for me the age old method of drawing heads and faces was passed down to me pretty early on. So, yup.
would it be easier to draw a circle if the paper wasn't a rectangle? I mean, you did say the brain is lazy, maybe it wants to fill in the shape, or copy the shape.
I suck at drawing faces, but I never really practiced drawing them either. In school art class I actually was decent at drawing, so this kind of stood out. But not only faces, human features in general.
How is hair a part of the head and not sitting on top of it? As far as I understand it is not.
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So...
Is it the head-as-a-box-hypothesis (as he said it is) or is it the hair-as-a-box-hypothesis (as it was written)?
I assume head but I figured I'd give you guys a hair-up (;D) about that inconsistency.
As an artist and an educator I'd say that the face is the easiest part to draw or to sculpt, because our brains are evolved to recognize faces but we never recognize someone by his other pars(well we can but it is more difficult).
I'm actually pretty learned at drawing. It's all about the big picture. Detail is what the audience is drawn to, but until an artist can learn to ignore detail entirely, they have no business drawing the detail.
I'm pretty good at drawings faces, but I can't do it from memory. I draw an eye somewhere on my paper and draw around it until I get a complete face.
First off I learned that in art class last trimester and that pretty cool that people didn't go to simple art classes
It's always important to think of the face as a form in 3D space. Making circles, boxes and triangles to emphasize this, can be very helpfull to determine where you should place the eyes, mouth and nose. Remember guidelines too. And also measuring the lenght between facial features can give better results. Okay I'm gonna stop now.
I'm a classically trained artist with 20+ years experience drawing the human figure, painting portraits and things. Drawing faces is still very hard to this day. You really do have to trick the brain to go away and let you observe the subject as it is.
Every art class I have ever took tool you that the eyes are in the mid. So this is really strange for me to hear this.
I find noses to be among the hardest things to draw to look nice fairly ok at the rest of the face but now i just draw for fun. Among the worst things i do is not leave enough space on the paper when drawing full figure and end up cropping off part of the lower leg or more.
I'm pretty good at drawing eyes, or rather one eye at a time. I can't draw two symmetrical eyes and I tend to mess up the proportions when drawing a whole face.
As an artist, my understanding is that we place greater importance on the features of the face, while mentally ignoring the equally large forehead and hairline because they are less important for understanding emotion and recognizing the person. This also explains why we often draw eyes and heads in general as considerably larger than they actually are.
I like to draw a lot, and it took awhile to get eyes in the right spot. A thing that always bothered me was that once a little girl was watching me, and asked "Why are the eyes in the wrong spot?" I asked her where the eyes should go, and she pointed at the top of the forehead. Kids tho.
HUMAN faces is something that took me a good few years to get XD SOO MUCH PRACTICE!! I look back at my souphmore year drawings in highschool and just 'cringe' at the horrible disfigured, misplaced looking things I called 'people.' The circle system (sketch a circle and then make two lines for where the eyes should be positioned) helped me IMMENSELY!! *^*
My suggestion is to practice realism first so you've a general idea of how the human anatomy is. Then from there develop your own style!
Knowing this can help a lot with drawers, thanks Trace for sharing :D
it is my hobby since i was a child. i can draw anime only if i had a reference i can't draw from memory and when i start to draw realistic portraits it is really hard for me...then i decided to quit drawing cause i never get better than before
Nz isn't on the spinning globe animation thing. WHY?!?
lol if you hold down the space bar while the video plays it sounds like he's talking into a fan!