Miller Multimatic 220 VS ESAB Rebel 205 AC/DC
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
- Baker's takes the Miller Multimatic 220 AC/DC and the ESAB Rebel 205 AC/DC and puts them head to head for a detailed comparison. Andrew breaks down the differences and highlights what makes each of them unique. Comment any questions we will be sure to answer them!
Part 2 we answer all of your questions!
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i cant tell you how aggravated i was.. i bought a rebel 215 about 6 months before the 205 ac dc came out. i definitely would have bought that one for the extra $1200... easier having everything in one. about 8 months in something malfunctioned in my rebel. i called esab at 8 pm and they walked me through troubleshooting on the phone. couldnt fix it, they over nighted one, but sent me the entire package i bought. i called them again, they said just send back the power supply and keep the extras as spares! i couldnt be happier truthfully, the rebel can definitely take a pounding!
Glad that ESAB was able to make it right with you! They stand behind the product and 100% 100 day satisfaction is hard to beat enjoy the machine!
That’s outstanding. Glad to hear they took care of you.
Bakersgas is just AWESOME! I ordered a weld kit for college. They were out of stock and i needed it in a day and half. They overnighted (i selected that option) the individual pieces to make the kit and upgraded a couple pieces for me! Their knowledge, kindness, and service is absolutely amazing! Great company!
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THANKS!!! I'm that much closer to buying the rebel! Waiting for the rest of the review before I pull the trigger! It will be form Baker Gas because of your informative reviews! Thanks again!
Thanks for watching!
Ukau did you get the rebel and do you like it I'm in the market for a welder and I'm on the fence between the miller 220 and the esab 205 what do you think
Thanks. 220 on order from Baker's. It gets my vote as a multi process machine should effortlessly switch processes. Pull trigger and go or push pedal and go. Great feature!
Thanks for watching and for the order Kenneth! Appreciate your support!
Just wish your shipping department was better. Placed three separate orders and none of them have shipped. I'm guessing your 'ships in 3-5 business days' was overly optimistic. Not a happy customer.@@BakersGas
@@kenethsoberano we are shipping the 220's as fast as we are receiving them from Miller! The delay on the Arc Station order was that Miller discontinued the clamps. I will send you an email as well to follow up we want you to be happy! :)
This was you about 3 years ago and if you bought the Miller, you're probably are knocking your head against the wall for not looking for a better option... An HTP Pro Pulse 220 is better than any Miller or an Esab and it can weld Mig/Mag Aluminum! Plus Silicon Bronze, Tig and Stick 6010 and beyond for about 2K
@@Phoenix-One0922 Nope. The Miller 220 AC/DC has worked flawlessly. Zero regrets from me or my buddies that have also bought one after seeing mine.
I bought my husband the Multimatic and he loves it!
When he talked about the weight, I can't help but remember Jurassic Park "Is it heavy? Then its expensive!"
That’s very true though
Esab 205 all the way !! had it for a year now definitely glad I went esab the flexibility on Ac is killer castings to pop cans it will do it and make it easy..
Awesome thanks for the feedback Tim! Glad you are happy with your Rebel!
Glad to see ESAB is about to finally release the Rebel 205 AC/DC. A long time coming. Looks like a fantastic machine.
Yes finally in stock!
My Miller Fried Out after two years, it cost more to fix that to buy a new Welder. So I bought a ESAB Rebel 205ic. So far so good.
I love my new Miller tig welder, 210 sync wave, I have never owned a new Miller and it was the best birthday present I ever received, I'm now a metal artist and 70 years old and need a new helmet to go with my Welder. Peace & Love sparky's. David
customer service and parts availability alone makes it a no brainer to choose miller.
we just purchased 10 ESAB 285 units. I am beyond pleased. This unit is a performer!! My only complaint is the Tweeco gun. The adapter needed for the remote is cheap. That's a Tweeco problem in my opinion. ESAB hooked me up with other gun options where I dont need the adapter. ONE IMPORTANT THING TO REMEMBER- The processor used on the ESAB is the same used by TESLA. Miller has gone with a Chinese company I'm told. Tesla is the dominant customer which is why we have to wait when ordering the units.
Thanks for sharing your experience! Glad the Rebel 285 units are working for you!!
You mean the Tesla processor that is made in Taiwan?
I do think the ESAB has more flexibility, but is it really flexibility I need regularly if ever? I think the millers ability to switch processes so easily with tapping the mig trigger or tig foot pedal is greatly underrated!! That is a huge feature on a multi process machine.
Yes for sure switching processes is super simple on the 220! Also when you connect a Spoolgun it auto recognizes which is pretty cool too! If you have any questions on either please let us know.
I'll continue to buy Miller for this one reason - I have a 50 year old machine that I can still buy parts for. Miller has proven they stand behind their products for the long term. I don't dislike ESAB, but I'm sticking with blue.
I drink miller, weld with a Lincoln, and Esab has my back!
@@josegusman602 our ESAB rep says..... "Drink Miller, Drive a Lincoln, and weld with ESAB" haha
Yes Miller is awesome! Customer service is fantastic and they have proven quality over the years. Thanks for watching.
@@josegusman602 well of course you would drink to have those... kidding, they are quality brands.
@@BakersGas to the point I spent my 3k and bought the 220. Thanks for helping with the decision
Esab comes out ahead imo, I just picked up an Esab emp235ic. Next will be a dedicated Tig machine with AC/DC pulse.
how loud is your emp235? is the fan always on?
Thanks, I always enjoy a good side-by-side review.
I’ll go with the brand I trust and comfortably using it every day, of course Miller
I wanted a new machine after using xmt's and dynasties for years, can't believe I'm sold on yellow. Everytime I get on a newer Miller I have to turn off all that auto set crap. Very informative video and I love that ln25 form factor looks like I can throw a strap around my shoulder and carry it to the top of a tower. Just hope it lasts for decades like the Millers do
Check the reviews on ESAB not a great machine.
Love the Miller Multimatic ACDC 220
A drip is a droplet of water falling from top to bottom under only the force of gravity.
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The more ya know, ya know?
Lots of Miller folks around. I have never even seen let alone tried a Miller welder but with the likes of Fronius, EWM and the likes, Miller aren't very common here in Germany. I'd still love to try one some day :)
Never thought I'd say this, ESAB is the way I'd go.
Thanks for watching!!! We agree great unit!
Your videos sold me on the esab man.
Billy Famine I have the 205, the machine is amazing.
Hello guys. I’m curious to know why is it the Miller 220 ac/dc has such a hard time with the 6010 rods vs the Rebel 205’s could care less attitude? I mean it is such a common rod why would Miller allow that deficiency? I’m in the market for one of these two machines but don’t know if that particular point makes it a deal breaker for the Miller. Thanks in advance!
Thanks for the comment. We do not have an answer as to why the Miller does not run it well. As you seen it will do it they just do not recommend it. If you will be stick welding 6010 with any frequency definitely a big factor and reason to go Rebel. If you want to call or email us we can help you make a decision best for your application.
Wow I have been looking at getting the Miller 220 for a while maybe I'll look into the esab
Thanks for this video, waiting to see part deux!
I’m sure the ESAB is a good machine (possibly better) but for the same price as the Miller? Any welding supply will have parts/service for a Miller and that kinda seals the deal in my opinion.
I'm new to welding as a hobby but possibly could turn into more as I'm an hvac technician in NYC I've had an amico arc-165 stick only for 5 years but only starting really practicing recently arriving today is a amico cts-200 which is stick/tig/plasma cutter.
If I'm still into it I'll treat myself to something nice like the miller multimatic 215 235 or this 220 multiprocess unit
I'm using it to fit schedule 40 black pipe
I was kind of hoping for more info between them and welding. Hoping the video you mention with welding head to head coming soon. Also you mentioned in the last Esab video that you weren't a fan of their MIG gun. Could you go more into accessory differences and upgrade options? Thanks for the great video series on this. The automatic setting features on the Miller are interesting as a hobbyist but I am impressed with the wider range of capabilities of the ESAB unit and leaning that way.
Joe -- thanks for watching we appreciate it! We did make a video going into depth on both of the machines. I will link them below for you in case you didn't see them. As far as the MIG gun Andrew just personally does not prefer that style/not used to using that MIG gun. Its not bad just an opinion. We do have another video coming soon! I will put in the request for a video on the accessory option for both good idea!
Love my esab machine now. Think they will get my business on 2nd welder as well unless I get an engine drive for portability
Thanks for watching!
That crap with the gas running in the hose is nice until it leaks or breaks. I have a Lincoln with that crap hose set up and it broke!
While the ESAB seems like the better option I’m betting that the push from Baker Gas for people to buy it is because they make more on ESAB than Miller! Nothing wrong with pushing some towards a particular brand or model because it’s simply better. Bur it’s sad to push people just based on sales and profits ONLY.
The intro music and these machine's are great
Thanks for watching!! :)
for every one's info esab is a swedish company the machines are built in Union county South Carolina
Sorry to burst the bubble but the South Carolina plant has been closed for a while. The rebels are built in China and was engineered by an Indian firm setup in Maryland.
@@jeffdaigle9479 chickita China the Chinese chicken?😕
@@jeffdaigle9479 Do you know the name of the company in maryland, I thought I heard that before to?
@@primeclickllc8123 I do not unfortunately....I know they have an office building but I didn't actually know the name of it, sorry.
I would like to have either one
Sweet! While I’m a Miller man thru and thru(literally) thats a pretty dope box. Just gotta find a retailer that wont jack you around. Like hijack your monies immediately while they pick their butt on shipping you items whenever they feel like it i guess.
Can’t wait to use mine! Just ordered it from baker!
Thanks for getting back
Eyeing the ESAB ...
Thanks man, that was a good one
Thanks for watching!
Love all the videos and the great info
Thanks, very informative. Miller does have a strong name ESAB does looks like a good product.
I am looking at buying the ESAB 205 I myself
I cannot believe that the miller 220 is 4100$ now.. Id feel much more comfortable getting a different brand at this point due to that ridiculous price…
This esab looks like a good alternative
Cyberweld has them for around $3500 after discounts and rebates fyi
Hi Bakers,
Love your review. This machine is not available in Australia, so I am trying to bring one from a Bakers store. I need to know which store to ring and if you will ship to Australia. All payment will be done by PayPal just need to have a reasonable price
Thanks for watching! You can email us a support@bakersgas.com and we can get you international order information
I think there gonna be comming out here soon probably better to buy here for warrenty purposes. Dunno there one with cig now.
Did you end up buying one online. I saw on the internet on an au site, said coming soon 3.5grand in aus. Dont know when there coming out though.
Always tried miller , never got the chance to try a rebel yet
So ya say it struggles with 6010 is that on 110 and 220? Thanks
Esab 215 its on my next budget
nearly bought one today ,,, toss up between it and a fronius transsteel ,,, but ive a feeling the 205 here will be the winner
Cool let us know if you have any questions! sMIG is the same on that machine super popular option!
@@tomthompson7400 let us know if you have any questions we are happy to help!
Thanks for the info. I might try a esab
Yes I like both of them
Hey Andrew with Bakers gas, it's not that big a deal about breaking a dense connector but how would you go about hooking up a water cooled torch to the Miller with the gas flow through dense???
Send us an email! support@bakersgas.com and we will send you the details
Did the right thing buying the 255 multimatic, for 3000,
Total Newb question here. I am not a professional, and doubt I will ever try to be. I am looking for something around the homestead, fixing/experimenting on farm implements, welding the occasional art project etc. Mybe even some auto body panel replacement on old vehicles (Mostly rust abatement). I am not looking to "Invest", just making an educated purchase. I am a big fan of Miller. Always have been, but with ESAB coming on the scene a few years back, it intrigues me. Just looking at the build quality of the two units presented, the ESAB case appears flimsy compared to the Miller. But at the end of the day, it is about how it welds. I don't know much about about the problem with 6010 rod on the Miller. Do you consider that a major deal breaker given what I intend to use it for. Seems to me, stick welding will be a major part of what I am going to use it for. Is there a better option in all in one units? (Specifically Miller)
I, too, am a beginner and would like to know this answer.
Hi Gary! Thank you for watching. So if you are going to be using this at home for projects and want an easy quick welding solution. Go with the Miller 220! Miller is great all the way around. From ease of use, warranty, consumables, ect. they are 100% awesome to work with. 6010 is not really a reason not to buy it. You can do it, just not well. I would suggest checking out our other 220 videos if you have not already. The biggest advantage of this multiprocess compared to others is the AC TIG capability. However the Rebel is really popular and performs fantastic. Would not talk you out of that but think Miller might be better for you. Miller will weld great for you every time and it is super easy to switch and use to knock out a quick project. If you have more questions feel free to email or call us we will help you get everything you need.
Could we see a video welding the 3 process comparation??
Are you wanting to see them both run MIG, TIG and Stick on after another?
@@BakersGas that will be great. I rather miller than any other mark but rebel really weld awesome. I'm trying to buy one but I only can expend money on one for the moment. However thanks for this awesome videos
@@marcosgarcia705 Thanks for watching! When you are ready let us know! We do have 0% interest finance options!
Both look good, esab clearly has the advantage over miller. Now can you do a video on what makes either one of these worth $1000 more than my everlast MTS221STI ? Hell the miller doesn't even come with a tig torch capable of more that 150 amps what a joke lol
The ESAB comes with a Heliarc HW-17 torch which is also rated at 150A. So what's your point?
@@buckyfan2526 the point is you need to buy different torches to run either esab or miller machines at full power.
Not true. The duty cycle of the machines will be more of a limiting factor and not the torch. Yes, these torches will get warm, but neither of these machines were designed to be placed in a manufacturing environment where they will be seeing continuous arcs that will create that much heat.
$3000 holy moly
There are some bonus offers! When you are ready let us know and we can help!
esab has my vote
I prefer the Miller over ESAB
Does the Miller pulse MIG?
Great comparison!
My esab welds nice, millers cool but esab is my go too
Such a nice miller welder!
I'd still rather be with a dynasty if I'm hitting ac tig
Cha-ching !
Dynasty is the way to go...
why dont they make like a plastic cover that goes up and down or on hinges to cover the face plate with the LCD i wish they did lol. wanna protect that stuff
Miller does have a cover for the 220. Unfortunately ESAB does not have anything at this time.
bakersgas.com/products/millermultimatic220protectivecover-301524
The clear face cover on the Esab removes for replacement. You can use an outer lens and cut down to size in a pinch or order a clear replacement.
Everlast
Very nice Esab rebel
Great comparison information.
Are you able to hook up a 15ft mig lead to either of them makes a big difference vs the standard 10ft leads
There seem to be some issues with these esabs not lasting, puts me way off
Great video! My preference would be the Miller.
Thanks for watching!!
What if you run the 6010 electrodes on reverse on the miller, like electrode negative and ground positive, that's how we do it in the Caribbean and it works great.
Low penetration and strength but you can weld wide root openings on pipe, we'd get thrown off the job up here if they caught us doing that
Does anyone know the Maximum Amperage on the miller 220 with SMAW process???
Great video once again what do you
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Actually better value ?
Jim Feaster I personally prefer Miller welders. I've never used ESAB, but I've heard good things. ive also heard they have issues with their booster circuit for 6010.
I know the main thing for me is the availability of parts should anything happen. both have similar warranties, but no shops near me carry ESAB. If I have to wait a week for parts to ship, that's money for me.
Do you mean the Miller Multimatic 215 vs the 220?
6010 is fine. My older emp 215 also ran 6010 with ease.
Great review!
Thanks for watching!
Throw that Everlast PowerMTS 221Sti into the mix.
We believe in true blue and yellow! ;)
Esab by far ...the best on the market..2nd htp pro puls 200 also a well build machine.
Im buying one Esabpppp!!!!
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the videos
Dripping or spraying ,see the doctor .
But neither has ac pulse? Everlast for me. It's even cheaper and has more features.
Miller has a new Multimatic with Pulse but it does not have AC Tig.
I'd like to see the ESAB 205 vs. The Lincoln 210
If you're going to be using TIG function frequently I would choose the ESAB machine. The Lincoln MP 210 is lift start only. It's nice to have high frequency start and AC capable. Also if you're planning on adding a foot pedal to the Lincoln you pretty much have to take the machine apart to add in the control cable for it.
I dont know anyone that carries ESAB. i know my 2 local welding suppliers don't carry any Rebels, only Lincoln and Miller. So getting replacement parts might be a headache
Neither one of these units are truly industrial machines. This is intended as a home hobby or a light industrial machine. They definitely have a spot in a shop, but you won't get the hours that you would in say a Miller XMT.
Another thing to remember is that ESAB is made in China whereas Lincoln and Miller are made here in the US
You can always find consumables for either from our website. Orders over $50 ship for free.
not built in China they are a swedish company they are built. in Union county South Carolina
Johnny Wilson it won't let me post the screenshot but ESAB North America's website says it's designed and engineered in the US and assembled in China
even if that's true I'm not against Miller hell I named my favorite dog after them but what killed me with the Miller is the warranty and especially not being rated for 6010 and the esab using standard dinse connections back on topic regardless they are a swedish company and there quality control should handle any assembly issues
So you really think Miller and Lincoln still build their machhines in the USA? Good joke!
Nobody ever talks about welding capabilities... like what thickness the machine will weld... that would be good to let people know
That's based off the amperage buddy, 1/4" plate only requires about 110amps so 210 is probably heavier than anything you'll ever touch given it's clear your a DIY level guy, either one is probably the only machine you'll ever need unless you go pro
Thanks for the info
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Between those 2, which would you recommend to a person just starting to get into Tig?
If you are new to TIG welding either are great options they are easy to use and the screen and programs make it easy to set parameters. I would say that the Miller 220 is simpler and it is nice you can just touch the MIG gun trigger or the foot petal and it switches processes. Miller auto-set is also super simple to use, basically you enter your material and it prompts you for the rest.
Any other questions please call us or comment here we are happy to help!
The Esab smart Mig is adaptive to the welder and is great for ease of use. It will amp adjust for stick out based on wire diameter and metal thickness Miller hasn’t been able to get that adaptability to my knowledge.
ESAB for sure
esab rebel
Will rather unit have a Black Friday sale. Great information
Yes we always have a good deal going! Email us when your ready support@bakersgas.com
How do they compare with Duty Cycles?
Miller 220 Duty Cycle:
MIG 120V 105 A at 19.2 V, 60% duty cycle
TIG 120V 130 A at 15.2 V, 40% duty cycle
STICK 90 A at 23.6 V, 40% duty cycle
(Miller Spec sheet has all of them listed on page 4)
cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0252/1176/4789/files/Multimatic220MDX100.pdf?5798
ESAB 205 Duty Cycle:
Max Output
235 A / 26.0 V (MIG)
180 A / 27.2 V (Stick)
205 A / 18.2 V (DC TIG)
(ESAB Spec sheet has all of the detail on page 2)
cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0252/1176/4789/files/REBEL205Specs.pdf?4866
both are great
Strictly from tig welding capabilities, which one is better?? I thought the tig AC amperage was adjustable on Miller, no?
Ease of use Miller and more adjustability on the ESAB. Yes the Miller you can adjust the AC amperage.
Very helpful!
I did hear you mention that the esab had pulse. Does the Miller have pulse? What is the range on the pulse and does it pulse Mig? And there is no AC pulse on these machines correct?.
Yes Miller also has pulse and it is 150 pulses per second max and the ESAB is up to 500 pulses per second. Both are pulse DC only.
@@BakersGas thx
@@BakersGas why no pulse for aluminum? So much for real thin welding. I'd spend 2 grand on a real Tig machine and drop another grand on my mig and come out ahead
@@chrisjones6165 im starting to think thats the way to do it too
@@tomthompson7400 then if a machine is down u have a back up. Here ur just down
Can the Meg gun be upgraded on the Miller?
would you recommend ESAB 205 or 215 for a novice that does occasional welding but want all options available? 205 kinda pricey but has AC tig not sure if that's worth it. Also reading about people having to repair sometimes freaks me out because I'm not in the US and shipping would be a nightmare
If you do want to get into TIG welding aluminum invest in the 205! If that is not likely the 215 is a great welder and you always add the spoolgun for aluminum
Proprietary parts that are over priced and down times because of that are a huge turn off for anyone who works with the machine .
Wishing I got the 220 instead of the 215.. 🤔
What’s the lowest amp the Esab goes down to
Here’s a real world update! ESAB now builds and sells junk! I wanted to love the 205ic I bought brand new from cyber weld (which btw is great to do business with also) but this welder has been nothing less than junk, just like may other units they make! I’m on esab group on fb and owners are constantly having issues! The even bigger kick in the throat is ESAB has TERRIBLE Customer Service and support! I think they have very few employees in that department and they all are rude ass holes! I’ll never buy another Esab product! It’s Miller, HTP, Lincoln, Fronius or even a dang Everlast for me!
Love my 220
any chance of comparing the "Everlast POWERMTS 221 STI" vs the "ESAB Rebel 205 AC/DC"?
No sorry Nitro we do not represent Everlast sorry!
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