360 cameras are finally good... but you have to mount them correctly
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
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I would love to see a video on how you do the overlays
insts360 includes the overlays, but he’s using a custom layout.
correct @janemf. Summary version is commentary and reframing is done in insta software, screenrecorded in OBS so my editor can match the reframing and commentary in premiere with the overlays.
@@NorCalCyclingwhy not just use the built in overlays on the insta360 camera? It can pull in the Garmin data.
really appreciate the work you put into these videos thank you
@@johnventevogel7415 Same question. I've tried it a few times and it's pretty seamless
We've definitely stepped up our game since our first cameras, glad to have you on board 💪 Absolutely nailed why we love X4 for cycling, we'll definitely look into that mount Thanks for the support!
Any news on supporting Wahoo integration with overlays?
@@insta360 and it will be great if you guys can fix the gradient reading on Garmin overlays, the value is way off… (much lower than actual reading)
@@MyCyclingSaga My question too. It’s the only thing preventing me from buying an Insta360.
I will buy my first insta360 when these mounts are available 👍
@@SonnyDarvishzadeh Get your cash ready, it's coming!
the handle bar being stitched out is perfect, it gives us more to see behind the bike
right!?!
I agree
Have the same exact setup, only thing ( and this is very important to anyone planning to follow this setup) make sure that mount/adapter is aluminum or metal, I made the mistake to use a Gorpro adapter that was similar but it was plastic. Two 3rds into my race it broke and my X4 hit the road at 45kmh, lucky me only the screen cracked, everything still works perfectly and the included lens protectors did their job. So don't use old Gopro or any adapter that is not alloy/metal.
whats the camera and computer mount called?
Duuuuuuude… I’m 4 mins in and I REALLY APPRECIATE the swift & sharp expediency of your information, communication and filming style!!! THAT’S what people need from YT! There are sooooooooo many videos out there, so much information to get through, that to get/keep your viewership, feed people sharply and quickly.
Great stuff! The torque on the mount from a heavy camera is a bit concerning. I'd love to see handlebar manufacturers provide an even more sturdy solution with larger bolt interfaces from mounts. Believe they're mostly designed for 150g computers, and that's not enough when you triple the load on a bumpy road.
My recommendation is that you put a safety loop tied to the camera. lens protector. I already had the experience of the camera falling
Would it help if the mount was designed with an extremely strong magnet?
Ohhhhhh mannn, you nailed it with this video! I'm just planning to buy a X4 for my bicycle rides and I had a lot of questions about how should I mount the camera itself... and you just came with a video like this... Thanks a lot 👏🏼 Cheers from Colombia 🇨🇴
love colombia! planning our next trip in 2025
@@NorCalCycling Same here! Kudos from Germany.
It's obvious that Insta 360 isn't a sponsor, so it's really nice of you to put this video out there to help anyone who has one of these cameras or wants to buy one. I'm looking forward to seeing the new studio and pain cave. Have a good one!
It's literally in the description that this is sponsored by insta360
would love to see the video of the post processing. Overlays and such
speaking from experience, it is better to mount the camera on a stick, either the selfie stick or the stick included in an insta 360 official bike mount (even though this results in having an antenna sticking off your bike). Mounting so tightly to the handlebars as illustrated in this video will transfer a lot of vibrations to the camera. I am using my second insta 360 1X3 now the first being damaged as a result of a similar mounting.
Yeah it looks way better with a stick and a slightly higher angle
Yep. Love the footage I get with my X4 mounted to a 22.5cm long stick. You get a better third person view with it mounted a bit further away from you, though as you say you do need to be mindful of how it sticks out in front of you when mounted this way.
Also pay attention to the carbon rod, with the shaking mine broke, leaving the camera on the road.
For Insta360 it's normal wear... But I find that the support is too light.
The tube is 8mm diameter, the aluminum support which holds it has a diameter of 6mm and fits 10mm, the carbon has no external reinforcement. After a while the carbon breaks down there.
Try holding it with your fingers at this length, it's difficult even without shaking the camera!
I reinforced the tube attachment but it was the handlebar support that broke. I also reinforced it and so far it's holding.
With the shocks when driving at a certain speed, the weight of the camera at the end of a 30cm rod creates a lot of constraints!
What bike mount are you using ; my sworks mount could not handle the weight
I've got a really good tip for you! I also have kind off the same setup. With a few key differences. Number one. Between the insta 360 and the mount I have a smallrig hawklock. A small and sturdy quick release system that's not to bulky. Have those things on pretty much all my mounts. So it just clicks on wherever.
Also have a 9 centimeter long GoPro extension thing in between so it can be completely out in front. And have a little upward tilt. Works absolutely perfectly.
got some links / details of your exact setup, do you attach the smallrig to a gopro mount?
Pics or links? Sounds like an interesting setup
@@alexbijvoet1 I bought a few of these based on this recommendation but I wasn't impressed, the camera goes on to the mount and a night tight fit but after just a few miles on the gravel bike it ends up loose. I think they are great on the selfie stick and chest mount but not mounted to the bike for me. Might be ok on the road bike or if you have the X4 mounted directly downloads to avoid extra forces on the mount but not aiming out straight with one lens up towards sky and one facing down. I've gone and bought some falcam f22 mounts to see if these can take the weight pointing straight.
@@trouty00 That's a bummer. I do use it with the lens towards the sky. And no problem with any vibration or it coming lose. Do have to admit. The screw on the bottom of the X4 is done up really tight with some Loctite.
And here in the Netherlands the roads are perfect. So pretty much no bumps.
Thanks for this idea! I have a 360x4 for travel use but wanted to save money from buying two separate bike cameras for security/close passes. Your mounting technique fits the bill and works perfectly streamlined without cluttering up the handle bar with the official mount.
The 360 footage is ideal for reporting safety issues because you can see cars approaching from behind then at your side.
Why is there no link to the handlebar mount you are attaching too? Would love a link for that.
The angle of the dangle is CRITICAL!
Literally was just searching for this exact information all day today. Can’t believe you posted same day I was looking for this!
I was waiting .... big brother is watching
Great tutorial, your race footage is always the best! I was cracking up at the length you go to eliminate rattles... My wheels are currently setup with tubes and valve extenders which rattle against the valve hole so I meticulously slid tiny rubber ring washers down over the valves 😂
ohh ya I've encountered that one before, used electrical tape myself 😂
I do the rubber washer thing also! Lol
On a sunny day, are you running into issue using the premium lens guard? With the premium lens guard on, the camera captures too much reflection and seemingly every single bit of dust on the lens/lens guard.
Me and my Garmin Virb 360 lookin at this.. and trust me, I’ve used the insta360 x2.. the video formatting when you take it off the micro sd card goodluck.. I’m ok with old grainy 4K technology. The VIRB 360 is super compact and waterproof for its age.. now days you can use filters to improve saturation or color.
Oh my god… this is the type if solution I’ve been lokking for for so many years and it was right between my fingertips… thanks!
I have been looking for a guide on how to setup my 360cam on my bike for so long, I even looked closely in your videos try to figure out how you did it, This video helps me a lot. Thankyou sooo much！！！！
Glad I could help!
Jeff, which bike computer is that? It is super low profile!
Yeah I’m curious too
Yeah me too
Thank you for saving us the time from learning this ourselves the hard way! 🙂
For an even better angle, we need to align the camera parallel to the ground or even raise the lenses even higher so that they are level with the Garmin, so we will see more. A small extension of approximately 100mm is sufficient for this. But to prevent it from turning due to impacts, you need to mount the Garmin in such a way that the GoPro mount is not above the Garmin mount, but between it and the mount to the steering wheel. In this case, you can additionally fasten the extension cord to the Garmin mount with electrical tape and then it will never turn, because . will be fastened at 2 points. In this case, the distortion will be less and we will be able to see more of the view from above, more of you, your actions. And in your case, with the camera lowered, we see a lot of the steering tube and the front wheel, this is not interesting, and the aerodynamics suffer in this case. You can see on my channel what this angle looks like ua-cam.com/video/NmYCPfjcL2o/v-deo.htmlsi=U-zJSNe2DmsjCmzK With great respect from Russia
The video with your setup looks fantastic. Have you considered doing a video showing your setup?
I wonder whether a 360camera and Garmin combo would sell. There's space in the frame for 18650 battery intégration. Now that bikes are electronic you could run a slim sturdy wire for power through the headset and stem. And then you'd have beautiful integration, and a 2 in 1 unit. Because as is, it looks dreadful. But a Garmin with a camera module in front could look pretty neat, if the battery is in the frame. Niche, but would be awesome. I'd often like to capture a bit of my riding, but if the camera doesn't live on my Garmin, I just won't bother.
amzn.to/4cpIwpP also put it in the description thanks!
A Insta360/Garmin Collab would be amazing! If you could take out your SD card from the camera and already have the Garmin data saved with the video, that would cut down on workload and increase the amount of people using overlays on their videos!
If you could also start recording from you Garmin unit and have data on the Garmin that the Insta360 is still recording/battery levels, that would be next level!
I made a review recently. It's basically 2-step editing - one in the mobile or studio app then in your final editing program. Then, one can't edit overlays in the Studio app, it can only be done in the mobile app which only allow you to export in 1080p & if you're lucky 1440p but, definitely not 4k. Another issue is, side & rear mounting option options. To get these options, you'll need the heavy duty clamp, a support clamp & their invincible selfie stick which adds weight to the bike not to mention how expensive these accessories are. Insta 360 is doing great things but, they need a better team of constructive critics to make it perfect for cyclists & even casual users.
ive had the go pro max (360 cam) for couple years and upgrading to the x4 it was light years better. much more responsive. better quality and way longer battery. overall very happy with the x4 and love the way insta360 is going and being innovative.
Nice vid. Good to see home the roadies are mounting this thing. That view of you with the computer is dope. Definitely gonna try that one. Might try a mix of this with a quick release mount and one on my chest.
Always looking for ways to share epic rides in compelling ways. Thanks again for the amazing content!
I designed and 3d printed my own Insta360 X4 mount; have used it for road and mountain cycling.
Maybe sell it to other cyclists 😊
Can you possibly share the file please? I have a 3D printer but can’t fathom how to design something suitable
I don’t own a camera nor do I plan of owning one but I watched it all the way through the end anyways because boy those Enve bar and stem sure looks goooooood! How long is the stem btw?
360 cameras have been good for multiple tech generations. Just didn't look great in standard video formats. Until now, we typically focused on vertically/portrait oriented content. The X4 does level up though.
Well I’ve watched loads of vids on mounting this camera as I’ve been thinking of getting on to replace my Garmin virb elite (which is a great camera) finally found a half decent way of mounting it without a thousand add ons .. you may have finally persuaded me to take the plunge and get one.
A word of advice. Be careful with mounting to much weight on your computer mount. In due time that alloy computer mount will break. It may feel strong and stable in the begining but vibrarion will slowly fatigue the mount on its narrowest part and it will snap. It happened to me so I have first hand experience. On my mount is a Karoo 2 computer and a cycliq 12 camera light underneath. Im pretty sure the insta 360 x4 is heavier than my cycliq (i have an x4) and mounting it further will put more stress on the mount.
The Insta 360 Programm ist quite good.
Great video Jeff! Too often we see tech reviews for bike cameras that bang on about the FPS and bit rate, when all we really want to know if how will it mount to my bike and will it look slop when doing so. Keep these coming mate, real;ly enjoying them.
Agree with the bike mount. I have the official Insta360 bike mount. Had to buy a similar attachment for alternative fittings. I tend to have the join at my handlebars as it's the straightest line
This was great. One open question is what are you using on the out front mount to provide the 'gopro fork' on the underside? I haven't found parts that I trust with that kind of load.
FYI, the link in the description to the "rattle remover" does not appear to be the same item shown in your video. I found out after receiving my order from Amazon.
Awesome video. Just got an x4 and used it in HI. Came back with 256G of data that im trying to edit. Had to buy a new laptop with 8G VRAM because my 10 year old laptop wasnt cutting it. Totally agree that editing is hardest part.
I was going to mimic your mounting technique with my chest rig for mountain biking. I was thinking smoother video versus bar mount when off road.
I was just made aware that you are a geologist and a cyclist? Same! Shout out to a brother from another!
Thanks!! I’ve been experimenting with mounts and positions too. I’m going to try this since I have all the stuff! Since it’s directly above the tire I think I’ll use the premium lens protectors, though I’m concerned about lessened image quality.
awesome video. I understand the new camera angle now haha
Good stuff -- thanks for the tutorial!
Great video. Hot topic for me. I love filming my bike rides, and I use both insta360 Go3 and insta360 X3 to combine the footage (mainly instagram). I've tried quite a few bike mounts, but filming with the x3 in bumpy terrains has always been an issue. The camera has to stay close the the handlebar or the footage is useless. So I used to mount it directly into the insta360 bike mount, skipping the extention. But it got stuck there in a way that I had to use a plier to take it out and the internal screw deattached from the mount 🤦. I just ordered the little mount, I hope it does the trick.
Good tips. Sagging just kills me. Have tried many things to no avail. Will try this but sceptical. 360 insta tip - if you can see the lens it can see you!
Great video, Your Enthusiasm shows. But, the first thing I noticed is you are obviously a bike racer, versus a tourist or casual biker. I fall into the latter category, I have found that a selfie stick gives you a better POV of the surroundings. If I were a racer, your POV makes sense. Overall, I think a selfie stick gives you more flexible POV. For example, if you mount it high, you can get 360 video of the people behind you
I use to mount a Gopro MAX on the same spot, great spot for epic footage. The only issue is that the whole mounting structure and the camera is acting like a lever, constantly fatiguing the narrowest part of the Garmin mount, especially on road bikes cus there is no suspension system on the bike, so the vibration and damping will working on the lever all the time when you are out riding, eventually it will break the mount. Lens repair is 200$+ each.
i mount it on where the head unit is and put the head unit on the steer tube cap with garmin mount which looks better
When the handle bar becomes the invisible selfie stick...
From the look of your camera it does matter which way it goes I would always have the screen facing up because the bottom of your camera is dirty from just little rocks and stuff being slung off the tire.
This is a really good video though and thanks for doing it I've got the same cameras and I'm going to try that out after I get the piece you recommended
Not sure if you know you can natively imbed data from garmin natively using the 360 app
Hi there!
Fantastic video, however could you please share to us which mount are you using for the garmin?
Hi Jeff, Thank you for sharing the video-it was really helpful! I actually have the same camera, but I've been having some trouble with it slipping. If you don't mind, could you share the link to the non-slip fiber grip you mentioned?
I appreciate your help!
This is easily one the best video you have made. Well done, and thanks for the tips. 👏👏👏 Wondering which type of view do you use for your video? Mega or ultrawide?
i start with ultrawide but adjust based on what's going on in the frame
@@NorCalCycling Do you think you can share the link to the fibre grip you are using?
@@B_KFC_Leg linked in the description 👍
Thank you. Now I will buy one
I have an insta x2 that I never use on the bike because their mount doesn’t fit aero bars, I’ll give this a go, cheers.
still not clear to me how the 360 mount is mounted to the bike computer mount.
I had a X3 to do exactly that configuration, but it used to mess with the GPS on my Garmin. Any signs of that issue with the X4?
I haven’t experienced that
Thanks for sharing your setup! I especially like that your mounting setup is short and not on a pole out in front. Do you think your mounting solution would hold up on gravel? I worry that rough terrain with the weight of a computer and the camera might snap the mount.
I think it would be fine, I’ve hit potholes on road tires without trouble. Higher volume gravel tires will offer more shock absorption
Apparently youtube eats my comments if I try to post a picture showing my mounting solution, but here's the gist:
So, I use an alternative mounting solution that attaches the x4 to an integrated dual mount, putting the gopro fingers directly under the handlebar. Then I use insta360's bike mount carbon pole (6" long or so) attached to a gopro-to-1/4" tripod adapter to give it some extension. I also swapped out the bolt in the configuration to a torx bolt (M5-0.8 x 16mm) so that I can ratchet down the torque to 8 nm using a torque wrench before each ride. That way I can be reasonably sure it doesn't loosen up too much over time. Lastly, I added a small gasket (like a rubber band) that loops around the carbon pole and the upper garmin mount to provide some additional stability should the screw somehow work its way loose.
Omg thank you for this! I left a comment on the previous video. I need a mounting tutorial for my insta 360 x2 for my crits
saw that! figured you would be pleased that I finally finished this tutorial vid. 👌
i really liked having my gopro max (360) on my helmet for crits. debating on getting an x4 but i haven't critted much lately -
bad placement since the wheel is directly under the 360 n the lens wld get damage very easily unless protected frm flying debris
Do you have link for bike computer mount with cam mount?
Idk how the overlay works, but why can't you edit the footage in the insta360 app then add the overlay after in your editor of choice?
yes, editing and processing 360 video is the worst part of it. though once you figure it out it's worth the trouble. digging the new camera and race footage.
Again, have you ever tried the real time editing in the mobile app??
I just set a key frame and I export it as a normal video
I wonder if you got the Insta360 GPS Preview Remote would you like those overlays or you just like the customs ones from Premier. Plus, this GPS remote gives you that preview so you won't have to always look directly at the camera to make sure it's recording. Im not a cyclist, but I ride my Kaabo Mantis King GT e-scooter and I use some of the same attachments with my X3. I am defiantly buying that thumb screw mount. Great review!!!
Bought the mount, but don’t have the piece that connects to the computer mount. Can you link that as well, please?
I've been mounting my x2 the same way for the past few years. A problem thatI ran into though, is that the camera interferes with my head units GPS if the head unit is right above it. So I had to get second mount just for the head unit to sit slightly further away on the stim instead.
A screw will unscrew and your camera falls to the ground. Why is there no lock?
We need the double goPro vs 1 insta360 aero test!
omg maybe, an aero test for camera positions 🧐
6:40 well now you have a tiny front spoiler for an added 0.0001lbs of downforce in the corners 🤣
why dont you angle it more horizontal rather than angled down? i would think its more aero too. michael garrison uses the same camera but has the camera more horizontal.
Can you put a link in the description to the Garmin/GoPro out front mount that you are using?
and be careful, the camera is too heavy for the base of the cycle computer, it may break due to the rebound.
This is brilliant news
Which computer mount are you using? Thanks!
Great way to mount the camera but how am I going to mount a front light bc I do night rides
get the quick relaase
would the camera also work in Mountain bike riding? a guess its a bit of added hard and soft vibrations
Hi with regard to rattle remover, how will it help? And will it still fit the 360 camera’s bottom hole? Thanks
would be cool if you could upload the raw data and allow people watching to rotate the view while they watched it (with your overlays). :D fun stuff
DUDE i totally agree i wish there was a way youtube could make that happen. It would make the editing on my end way easier and the immersive experience for the viewer way better. one day...
Can you use the garmin virb editing software for it? It was easy to use with overlays back in the virb360 days. 🙂
Did Jeff get a new house?
Also I used to own a GoPro Max. Concerns were similar - Quality was not up to par. Hated it after a using it for a week and returned it back to amzn .
I am putting it on the top and normally use it as a car cam.
Where to buy that parts? Thanks!
Fiber paste? Is that the same as carbon paste that we use on our seat posts and handlebars? Great video and great timing as I just was gifted the X4.
yes
I’m curious with the road conditions,cause mine was snapped broken cause bumpy road area after riding 40km n yes my first mistake all damage n use less now
Funny thought, but have you aero tested to see if there is any loss ?
Have you tried the insta360 bike headset mount?
Hey Jeff, what tool do you use for the overlays?
I couldn’t get VIRB to work and I have been fiddling around with RaceRender.
what bike camera mount is that
Thanks for the Insta X4 mounting tips! How is it on overheating? On the Insta X2's and X3's - it'll tend to overheat if I keep it on longer than 30-35 min while hiking if it's above 80F. Guess the wind cooling helps.
I haven't experienced that, running 8k/24fps even on a hot day it'll go from full battery to empty (~1.5hrs) with no problems.
Great video.
Have been dealing a lot with the grip issue. Question, once you apply the fiber grip it is like a super glue? can it be moved afterwards?
For the rattle remover, dont you need a male piece to go into the camera?
Thanks
grip acts like sandpaper in the joint, so it bites harder but doesn't adhere the two pieces together. the rattle remover is just a nut which gets added when the camera is removed, and removed when the camera is added
Won't be long before your lens is sand pitted from crud coming off your tire.
Is there a way you can mount it horizontally to be more aero?
I have aerobars. Any way to work that out? Thanks man!
yes, i use it on my aerobars as well, as long as you have an out-front mount it's no problem.
How did you make the link and form for your followers to send you videos?
Not sure of the full usage of the camera capabilities in that position, buy still one of best videos unsponsored 💸 about insta360
Is he riding an S5?