So essentially, many college programs are not actually in demand if they are not a backdoor way of buying citizenship and colleges don't like this. They also don't policy that ties immigration to things that are in demand and actually require a college education rather than hospitality jobs that didn't used to require diplomas, or for students to be getting information that's not coming from colleges PR teams. Doesn't seem just like an Ontario problem, does it? Ontario may have overshot what the general public will tolerate the most, but it's hardly unique that colleges have gone off the rails in terms of actually focusing on educating students in their communities, in programs that require real skills that couldn't be taught on the job and are not just a weed-out method for employers who have a glut of cheap labour to choose from. Yes, smaller programs might not have as big on an impact on the housing market, but there's a bigger question about why we need it at all. (This is especially true given that colleges want to cry foul play when PR is tied to labour market needs, which I'm old enough to remember was the previous argument for why they should be allowed to do this in the first place.)
I took an Electrical pre-apprenticeship 6-month program in Burlington at the Centre for Learning in 2015. There were 24 students registered of which 22 graduated. Of those 22 graduates, 3 of them landed a trade-related job and two of them were apprenticeship sponsored. One of those apprentices moved to Alberta in 2019.
My bro took autobody repair second career. 3 year program with apprenticeship. Less than 10% of the class was able to get apprenticeships, and many were only offered minimum wage while being expected to do full work in the shops, something that is not supposed to happen at apprenticeships. The shop he ended up at purposely didnt sign his hours so he missed his second year intake so they could continue milking him as cheap labor. In the end, less than 3% of the people who started the program graduated.
This is just it….. work in the trades is frankly too unstable to take up as a career these days. It’s so boom or bust that I personally could not in good conscience encourage somebody to enter the trades. It’s a great career if you want to end up broke and disabled.
I know smart electricians that are sitting at home waiting for an apprentice. Everything always sounds good at a macro level but at the micro level is how you know if things are working out or not.
eeek, my son is considering becoming a welder. I thought it was a good idea for him to get a trade and use that to fund further schooling when he decides to pursue it. Now, I'm not so sure.
I went to University, and I really wish I had figured out what was in demand before I did. Why is there such a huge disconnect between the demand and the people providing the supply?
Doug Ford is messing up the budget between Ontario places mess, bike lane removal and those 200$ bribe cheque to the full population.... Imagine all the budget the province could have use in better place...
Colleges in Ontario have had Provincial funding frozen since 2016. With increasing costs their only lifeline was tuition and international students were the resolution to a problem created in part by underfunding and a decline in enrollment of domestic students
I keep hearing this garbage about how citizens don’t want trade jobs so we need immigrants…citizens want jobs that can afford a family and decent life.
Altruistically Canadians would love for their neighbors to have jobs, but its a different story when you start seeing prices go up for you so your neighbor can afford to exist.
Did he say there’s a high in the supply of trades? Is there also a high in homes being constructed? Anyways, if you want to cut costs in higher education, Purdue University did it. I’m sure there’s some literature on how they did it. I suspect there was a good bit of, “If you cannot cut somewhere, we’ll have to cut you” involved. 😂😂
Here is the real bottleneck with that. Ppl don’t want to become journeymen because they won’t be able to find work at that pay rate. I know ppl that have been 3rd term apprentices for like 20 years because of this dilemma.
I'm finding it really hard to connect with conservatives. When you can't get good jobs, you blame the government. So, when government pays for schools to get you those good jobs, you complain about high taxes. When foreign students pay for it with their insanely high tuition fees, you blame immigrants. And when we have to pay for it, you, again, blame the government for inflation. Basically conservatives want all of the luxuries that a functional society offers, but then complain when asked to pay for it, while simultaneously criticizing progressives for offering "handouts". I know progressives will complain about the same thing, but I would argue the terms conservative and progressive in this sense are broader than a political affiliation, and, as the saying goes, everyone becomes a conservative on tax day. In this sense, conservative is more of an attitude. It's a "I only want what I need, and f**** everything and everyone else if it's not directly serving my needs, until, that is, I need it, then I'm happy to take money from the government".
Meanwhile, plenty of progressives only like it as long as long as someone else is paying! Bonus points if you can claim that those people are high-income and should be happy to pay a little extra, even if they live a worse lifestyle than the people they are paying for because living standards are now dominated by wealth. (This is something progressives have not caught up to at all.) You don't really have any generic failure to spend in Canada: we have an absolutely enormous amount of money going to the aging population, with little invested in the future. That's not a difference that really falls along partisan lines, although of course the age group being treated as a piggy bank (with comparatively few benefits to themselves) are going to be happy for less spending.
Rents weren't up because of International Students. Rents were up because increase caps were removed, affordable housing wasn't being built, short term rental scams were Hog-Wild, and scumlords allowing 10, 20, 30 people to flop in a house were unprosecuted.
Many of those problems were all exacerbated by dramatically increasing the amount of renters in a short period of time, who were mostly international students. Students were mostly the ones staying 10+ to a room. They did it not because of scams, but because they had nowhere else to go. And interestingly, rents are going down now that students are decreasing. You can have opinions about mitigating issues when demand outweighs supply, but don't act like more students weren't an issue
@Alex-wr5yw The response to that issue is not bigotry, it's building more affordable housing, its returning rent caps, it's abolishing short term rentals, and, and, and..... #NeverVoteConservative
@@ClintonAllenAnderson It's not 'bigotry' to want policy that benefits citizens: it's the responsibility of government. If you disagree, well, they can give your OAS and healthcare when you get old to someone in another country who needs it more. Bigoted to think you deserve it more eh?
@@ClintonAllenAnderson I'll bite: explain to me how it's bigoted to want to preserve jobs and housing for Canadians by excluding others, but not bigoted to exclude people from the safety net. Woosh.
So essentially, many college programs are not actually in demand if they are not a backdoor way of buying citizenship and colleges don't like this. They also don't policy that ties immigration to things that are in demand and actually require a college education rather than hospitality jobs that didn't used to require diplomas, or for students to be getting information that's not coming from colleges PR teams. Doesn't seem just like an Ontario problem, does it?
Ontario may have overshot what the general public will tolerate the most, but it's hardly unique that colleges have gone off the rails in terms of actually focusing on educating students in their communities, in programs that require real skills that couldn't be taught on the job and are not just a weed-out method for employers who have a glut of cheap labour to choose from. Yes, smaller programs might not have as big on an impact on the housing market, but there's a bigger question about why we need it at all. (This is especially true given that colleges want to cry foul play when PR is tied to labour market needs, which I'm old enough to remember was the previous argument for why they should be allowed to do this in the first place.)
No wonder the "experts" are soon going to be on the chopping block, with Deepseek and other Ai advancements. Misleading video title and worse content.
I took an Electrical pre-apprenticeship 6-month program in Burlington at the Centre for Learning in 2015. There were 24 students registered of which 22 graduated. Of those 22 graduates, 3 of them landed a trade-related job and two of them were apprenticeship sponsored. One of those apprentices moved to Alberta in 2019.
My bro took autobody repair second career. 3 year program with apprenticeship. Less than 10% of the class was able to get apprenticeships, and many were only offered minimum wage while being expected to do full work in the shops, something that is not supposed to happen at apprenticeships. The shop he ended up at purposely didnt sign his hours so he missed his second year intake so they could continue milking him as cheap labor. In the end, less than 3% of the people who started the program graduated.
This is just it….. work in the trades is frankly too unstable to take up as a career these days. It’s so boom or bust that I personally could not in good conscience encourage somebody to enter the trades. It’s a great career if you want to end up broke and disabled.
I know smart electricians that are sitting at home waiting for an apprentice. Everything always sounds good at a macro level but at the micro level is how you know if things are working out or not.
eeek, my son is considering becoming a welder. I thought it was a good idea for him to get a trade and use that to fund further schooling when he decides to pursue it. Now, I'm not so sure.
I went to University, and I really wish I had figured out what was in demand before I did. Why is there such a huge disconnect between the demand and the people providing the supply?
Doug Ford is messing up the budget between Ontario places mess, bike lane removal and those 200$ bribe cheque to the full population.... Imagine all the budget the province could have use in better place...
Also calling an early election.
Great ep guys!!!
Colleges in Ontario have had Provincial funding frozen since 2016. With increasing costs their only lifeline was tuition and international students were the resolution to a problem created in part by underfunding and a decline in enrollment of domestic students
Mark Carney has mentioned that education needs to be a priority.
I keep hearing this garbage about how citizens don’t want trade jobs so we need immigrants…citizens want jobs that can afford a family and decent life.
Altruistically Canadians would love for their neighbors to have jobs, but its a different story when you start seeing prices go up for you so your neighbor can afford to exist.
Did he say there’s a high in the supply of trades? Is there also a high in homes being constructed?
Anyways, if you want to cut costs in higher education, Purdue University did it. I’m sure there’s some literature on how they did it. I suspect there was a good bit of, “If you cannot cut somewhere, we’ll have to cut you” involved. 😂😂
Here is the real bottleneck with that. Ppl don’t want to become journeymen because they won’t be able to find work at that pay rate. I know ppl that have been 3rd term apprentices for like 20 years because of this dilemma.
I'm finding it really hard to connect with conservatives. When you can't get good jobs, you blame the government. So, when government pays for schools to get you those good jobs, you complain about high taxes. When foreign students pay for it with their insanely high tuition fees, you blame immigrants. And when we have to pay for it, you, again, blame the government for inflation. Basically conservatives want all of the luxuries that a functional society offers, but then complain when asked to pay for it, while simultaneously criticizing progressives for offering "handouts".
I know progressives will complain about the same thing, but I would argue the terms conservative and progressive in this sense are broader than a political affiliation, and, as the saying goes, everyone becomes a conservative on tax day. In this sense, conservative is more of an attitude. It's a "I only want what I need, and f**** everything and everyone else if it's not directly serving my needs, until, that is, I need it, then I'm happy to take money from the government".
Meanwhile, plenty of progressives only like it as long as long as someone else is paying! Bonus points if you can claim that those people are high-income and should be happy to pay a little extra, even if they live a worse lifestyle than the people they are paying for because living standards are now dominated by wealth. (This is something progressives have not caught up to at all.)
You don't really have any generic failure to spend in Canada: we have an absolutely enormous amount of money going to the aging population, with little invested in the future. That's not a difference that really falls along partisan lines, although of course the age group being treated as a piggy bank (with comparatively few benefits to themselves) are going to be happy for less spending.
Rents weren't up because of International Students.
Rents were up because increase caps were removed, affordable housing wasn't being built, short term rental scams were Hog-Wild, and scumlords allowing 10, 20, 30 people to flop in a house were unprosecuted.
Many of those problems were all exacerbated by dramatically increasing the amount of renters in a short period of time, who were mostly international students.
Students were mostly the ones staying 10+ to a room. They did it not because of scams, but because they had nowhere else to go. And interestingly, rents are going down now that students are decreasing.
You can have opinions about mitigating issues when demand outweighs supply, but don't act like more students weren't an issue
@Alex-wr5yw The response to that issue is not bigotry, it's building more affordable housing, its returning rent caps, it's abolishing short term rentals, and, and, and.....
#NeverVoteConservative
@@ClintonAllenAnderson It's not 'bigotry' to want policy that benefits citizens: it's the responsibility of government. If you disagree, well, they can give your OAS and healthcare when you get old to someone in another country who needs it more. Bigoted to think you deserve it more eh?
@user-64962 That whooshing sound is you moving the goal posts and still missing the point....
@@ClintonAllenAnderson I'll bite: explain to me how it's bigoted to want to preserve jobs and housing for Canadians by excluding others, but not bigoted to exclude people from the safety net. Woosh.