Peter Criss' Drum Tech Ed Kanon Joins Three Sides of the Coin, Part 1
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In episode #5 we talk with Ed Kanon, Peter Criss' drum tech from 1992 through 2003? Be sure to watch part 2 - • Peter Criss' Drum Tech...
Michael Brandvold launched the 5th website on the internet devoted to KISS, KISS Otaku. He went on the build, launch and maintain Kissonline.com KISS' official website. Mitch Lafon first interviewed Gene Simmons in 1980 and has since interviewed nearly all members of KISS, many more than once. He produced and released a Ace Frehley tribute CD. Tommy Sommers has been a fan since 1976 and has seen them in concert dozens of times. He spent many years on the record show circuit selling memorabilia and meeting many KISS fans.
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Sounds like Peter's bitterness is a contagion. Ed's view of Peter is pretty bleak & a bit bitter. It's like Peter is some kind of unhappiness napalm. Get anywhere near the guy & his cloud of misery will swallow you up. Did Ed say he worked with Peter for a decade(93-03)? I can't imagine working that closely for that long with someone so miserable. The "Don't play my drums." comment is over the top mental & sadly funny all at the same time. It's like telling the valet not to drive your car.
forget the contracts, after Peter and Ace left the band new kiss albums didn't sell as well, the multi-million dollar merchandising machine dried up, and record breaking ticket sales were a thing of the past, even having to play clubs in some markets.
I think it's obvious that Ed's a little confused about the band doing better business in the 80's, he must be thinking of Aerosmith, the band "that comes out and does the music".
Ed is incorrect here. Kiss may have been bigger than either of Peter or Ace's solo careers but after Peter and Ace left, the band was NEVER bigger than they were in their 70's heyday, until the reunion. I have no problem with Ed's opinions but let's not make up stuff and throw it out there as fact. And I would hardly describe the tenure of the original band from 74-79 or the music they created as an "infantile stage" of the band's history.
One question: why do fans treat this loke the JFK conspiracy? Ed was introduced by Paul at the beginning of the show, he told the audience Peter was sick and Ed was filling in, Ed even stood up to take a bow after the introduction. There have been pictures and video of it all over the internet for years. Why this huge expression of shock by people? Leaves me scratching myvhead.
Just read this posted on a forum: "Mike Brandvold, he used to run KISSOnline when it first started. Some guy posted a joke about KISS on their official forums and Brandvold reported him to his ISP, the FBI got involved and showed up at his work, and the guy ended up losing his job because of it."
Is this true?
As a longstanding fan from the UK, I love this stuff. Makes one feel a bit saddened though and reminds me of something my Mum used to say "you should never meet your heroes" I loved PC as a kid and started playing drums as a result, I love his early style - quite loose and unique - 100,000 years, Deuce, Parasite, Strangeways, She, DRC, GoT, Shock me, Larger than life etc... That's what I want to remember.
Not sure anyone cares about proving you wrong. This isn't a challenge. I completely agree that the other make mistakes... Gene more so than Paul. Gene and Paul weren't the topic of this episode... it was Peter.
You'd be completely wrong. By 1980, original Kiss had one of the most lucrative recording contracts in the music industry. They could command a 2 million dollar advance per album. By 1988, Kiss was releasing demos with drum machines on self-produced albums because the budgets were smaller due to Kiss no longer being as big as they were in the 1970's. Ed is wrong when he says Kiss "got bigger" after the originals parted ways.
Few things: Not the first time I heard Joey Kramer from Aerosmith was a dick. It always amazes me that Ace and Peter, after being handed GOLDEN TICKETS could proceed to screw it up again! It’s like that story Dr. Heideggers experiment” people will make the same mistakes over and over. Crazy.
I am not out to make any group of fans happy. I am just expressing my opinion, you can like it or not. I honestly don't care if a group of fans will stand for it. It is all just opinion, and you are free to stop listening if you don't agree.
As a fan since the first album i don't like it. That's why my last concert was in 2000. It's not them it's what they are wearing. Sad thing is a lot of people don't know the difference. They think they are still seeing Kiss. I think you were a fan in the 70's. We didn't call them Catman Spaceman and so on. They were Gene Simmons,Peter Criss, Ace Frehley and Paul Stanley. Kiss. They weren't characters like they are now. The interview with Kanon was interesting.
You don`t agree that during the 80's Kiss took a nose-dive after Peter and Ace left? It was the main reason for removing the make-up in 1983, the business model didn't work anymore, and nothing they tried prior to the reunion in 1996 ever achieved the level of success enjoyed by the originals in the 1970's. Let's try to stick to the facts.
I didn't say or suggest anything about post-original Kiss being "fake"., I merely pointed out the fallacy in Ed's suggestion that post-original Kiss was doing "bigger" business than original Kiss, it`s simply not true and any reasonably educated Kiss fan knows this.
Think he could be hyped up anymore? Walking around back stage dressed up. He's pretended and wanted to be Ace Frehley most of his life.
I think Tommy and Eric are fine musicians, but are in the unfortunate spot of not being able to be themselves completely. They are asked to emulate the looks, sounds, and playing traits of their predecessors. It would benefit themselves, KISS, and the fans (both those who love and hate them as they currently are) if they were simply allowed to wear their own unique character makeups/costumes and play in their own unique styles. It would not harm the band and would be exciting to see happen.
I have a few questions for Ed:
1) Did he sing Beth?
2) Did he actually also sing bvs that night?
3) How much did they pay him? Was it normal crew wages, or did they bump his pay up to Peter's salary for that night only?
4) Notwithstanding Doc McGhee's remark about: "You're gonna look pretty stupid tearing down the drums in that makeup," who DID strike the drums that night? Did he do double duty as the tech after the show?
5) Did he do an actual drum solo? (besides the breakdown in 100,000 Years)
Thats right he did mention Ed in the book.. I never noticed. Thats nuts cause I thought they were really good friends.
It's not to hard to spot the thayer lover in the crowd.
Yes, and they will eventually do it. KISS weren't the wiggles when they started, but now they are four characters on stage, not four people.
PAUL STANLEY INTRODUCING ED KANON AS KISS DRUMER
thats the video suggested on the right column of UA-cam
So, finally got up to the tour bus door and handed the guy an autographed (which had Paul, Gene, Ace's autograph's on it) Destroyer album with a vintage Destroyer sticker inside. When the record was returned the vinyl was broken in half, the sticker was gone and he signed right over one of the autograph's. Also, a guy handed a 5 dollar bill to get signed...they didn't return to him. Peter was a total jerk.
what a TNUC
@@paulfox1020 Totally!!! xoxo The Clarences
Well you are always welcome to do your own show or stop watching if you don't like it. I think Mitch is a real pro.
Sorry, but you are wrong. KISS is doing better than ever right now. The diehard fans are a small group and not what sells out the shows. The diehards only bought 60,000 copies of the album... not a large group. Nobody is being conned, they tell everyone it is Tommy and Eric. That is a FACT.
I don't agree. People only care about the characters now. A new character will mean nothing. People going to the show are going to see a demon, a spaceman and catman and a starchild. The person under the makeup no longer matters.
The funny thing about Ace and Peter's book is that they do more to substantiate Gene and Paul's position than Gene and Paul ever have.
Ace and Peter were my favorites but I would never do business with either of them.
This was a great interview...you have to Ed back on again.
This is just a Skype call that is recorded, we don't separate channels that I am aware of. But, I am speaking with Skype tomorrow to what assistance they can provide.
Peter Criss story for all of you: went to see Peter Criss play at The Strand in Providence, RI in 1994. It cost 5 dollars and it was half full. Anyways, after the show about ten of us waited outside in December cold by his tour bus to get autographs. Hos manager told us to wait. We waited TWO HOURS! Then, he wouldn't even come out. He had each person come up to the tour bus door and hand whatever the wanted signed to the guy at the door and he would bring it back to Peter.
What Peter Criss brought to KISS was creative artistic aspect making not so much a technical aspect. It seems Paul and Gene sort of embraced a technical aspect to the music they created for KISS rather than embrace a raw punk sensibility to their music which was the way early KISS operated.
hopefully, we all grow...
I just keep going back to... you have seen the contracts? Seen the balance sheets? Seen the advances? It is just your opinion and it is really just a valid as Ed's.
What is a true KISS fan? Only someone who thinks just like you? Sorry, but that is not the case. Listen to the brand new episode just posted.
Yeah so? He is the lead guitarist in KISS now. If it is something you don't like that is cool, but other people have no problem with it.
Sounds like a Crapy AM radio Show ! Get better equipment guys.
This was like 10 years ago. Maybe you should check out something more recent before bitching.
Thank you, quite often the fans wish they knew the truth, but will often deny it when confronted with the truth.
Sounds like you just didn't like what you heard. Ed was there, he can speak more about what happened then you can.
I was at this show too; 5-6 rows back from the stage on Paul's side. Great seats. As soon as the show started, i knew that wasn't Peter back there. The guy's arms were too muscular to belong to Peter! I was definitely bummed out, but not enough to leave. It was a great show. Very cool seeing Paul sing Black Diamond.
30:51 "...'cos it was in time?" Classic !!
Although I don't begrudge Tommy Thayer or Eric Singer, KISS unlike say - Foreigner, is a uniquely idealized concept. Much as it would be true of the Beatles without all four original members it just isn't the same. It's a rare and precious thing that sadly is dismissed with cynical contempt. What was once KISS is now merely 'Kiss'; functional yet void of mythos and integrity. So minus this exactly what am I 'missing out'?
Being as i am a newer Kiss fan, i was recently watching/listening to the show where Ed subs for Peter and i thought he did a great job. It's on here (youtube) if anyone wants to re-live that show (the board mix, like Ed said, but i dig soundboards so..i kinda like it). Great interview btw.
Peter is great but you have to have fun with the topic. All we did was ask questions of Ed a lot of fans would have asked. Most fans don't even know who he is. I love this band and the original 4 but nothing lasts forever Billy. I get your passion and respect your point of view but its time to move on. Tommy and Eric are great. They really want to be there and it shows. (Tommy)
Billy why do you care? If it doesn't work for you anymore I get it. I have several close friends who feel the same way. I have no issue with it at all. Eric and Tommy are both exceptional musicians and they respect the music. Kiss did the reunion with the 4 original members, now its over. I don't understand why people are so upset by this. I saw 3 shows this summer. All sell outs and all fantastic. The people there didn't care
I disagree with you completely! I have been a fan since 1975. They did what I asked and gave us the reunion. There is no reason why they can't continue the way they are. Look how many different actors played Batman? Sorry you don't get it, you are really missing out.
I wanted to say, I have a copy of the Kiss concert that Ed played on DVD!!! It is called "The Peter Crss Project".....it is the whole show!! Do you have a copy at all?
The Clarences love & support Three Sides Of The Coin, Ed & Kiss!
That might be ok for Peter and Ace but do you really think it would be the same for gene or Paul? Kiss aren't the Wiggles!
224th thumbs 👍 up from me!! AEROSMITH ALERT ⚠️ in the 5th minute!!' ''In the 5th minute, people!!' 'Would you look at the time ⏲️?' AEROSMITH ARMY REJOICE!! This is your moment!! No Gene, no Paul, no Eric, no Tommy = No problem!! Forget the KISS 💋 Army, you won 🏆!! Blue Kool-Aid Drinker. Peace ✌️ out from the Southern Tip of Vancouver Island 🏝 , B.C. Canada 🇨🇦.
edds a great guy. loved it all being a big kiss fan tonight was a rare and unique glimpse in to the world of kiss cheers guys
70's Kiss could command a much larger recording contract as a result of being "bigger" than 80's Kiss who operated on a scaled down reduced deal. When Paul and Gene put their master tapes up for collateral to score that Kentucky bank loan to keep the band above water, it wasn't because they were "bigger" than 70's Kiss on ANY level, Ed is entitled to his opinions, but he's totally wrong about post-original Kiss in the 80's being bigger than the original era.
Reading Peter's Book Yeah Hes Too Bitter, which is a Shame I think He Is Talented but Bitter and Diffucult
I've seen a few songs from that board mix, and it was the best I've heard since the reunion happened. I SO want a copy of that!
Great show topics and a amazing guest! Keep up the great job!
Wow these guys really hate Peter criss 😂
No we dont hate Peter.
I was at the Columbus, GA show. I remember driving all the way from Savannah, GA with 2 friends, and they started Deuce, and I was looking at the drums thinking, "OH SHIT, DID THEY KICK PETER OUT??!!??"
Whats ironic is u can’t really break a drum set u can drop a guitar break the headstock etc they’re fragile but drums don’t rly break
Yes it is Donny. Part 2 with Ed coming next week. Thanks for tuning in. (Tommy)
I didn't notice if they asked Ed about what the reason was that Peter didn't do the show. I've heard it was because of Peter's arms hurting so bad but I've also heard it was a power play by him to see what they'd do if he didn't show up, but they just went ahead without him. I don't think Peter would really do that though.
Mike,I have enjoyed ALL of your podcasts....great job!!! I've worked for some big bands and artists and Ed just touched the surface of what goes on!!!I will have to take some to my grave!!! Keep up the great job!
I was at that show in Columbus, Ga. I remember we were a ways back so I brought my binoculars ... After a minute or so, I said to my buddy, "That's not Peter!" Can't say I was shocked, but I was surprised. Kudos to Paul for being honest with the fans that "Peter's back at the hotel, he's not feeling well, but we got his best friend Ed Kanon on the drums! It was a minor bummer, but I had seen the Atlanta Oct. 1996 show, so it wasn't like I missed out on seeing Peter. Ed says in this interview that it was half-assed, but I disagree. I thought the show went off great. Thanks so much for giving this the inside story on this remarkable episode in KISStory, guys. And especially to Ed for sharing his thoughts
You're pretty lucky to see Kiss with both Peter, and the one-time show with Ed drumming. That's really cool!
Michael, I was told about your page recently from a friend, I enjoy your outlooks on KISS as a whole. Keep up the great work!
Thank you.
Awesome - Looking forward to part 2! Thanks for not asking softball questions.
A superb episode. Thanks for bringing this to us, guys. It's very much appreciated.
Don't play my drums lol even if they sound bad 😂
Great show, guys... I just sort of stumbled into them this morning, but only got the chance to listen to Part 1 with Ed just now. Earlier today, I'd been trying to go through the comments and figure out where they started chronologically so I could follow the conversation threads from where they began (particularly the dialogue between Michael and john jones), but I never did manage to figure out where the comments really began. No matter. My hope is that you still read new comments, Michael, since I do see that this video has been up for more than a year now... So, allow me to briefly introduce myself. I am 49, I play drums, and Peter Criss was my 2nd major influence (Ringo was 1st). My first KISS concert was Dynasty, but I basically hated that album for its Disco vibe. Unmasked was released on the day I left for a month-long summer camp session in Colorado, but a local radio station played the whole album the night before, and I taped it and took it with me. I thought it was the best KISS album, but KISS wasn't "cool" anymore after Dynasty, so I told my camp mates that the tape was a friend's band to get them to listen to it, only revealing the truth after getting positive feedback on it. Not too long after I had gotten back home, one of my cabin mates sent me the news that "Criss Quits KISS"...
At that point, I considered myself a Criss fan more than a KISS fan... and never really liked the fox nor any of the other new characters that came along. When KISS took off the makeup, though, I became interested in the band again. I never saw the band with Eric Carr, but I did see the Eric Singer version three or four times prior to the reunion.
Now, Ed said that he became Peter's drum tech during production of the Cat Man album... I saw the Phoenix show on that tour, and I still remember the singer with the mohawk that Ed mentions. I never heard about the "Bad Boys" tour after that, but I do remember the Cat Man show pretty well. The whole band, including the mohawk guy, all looked way young, while Peter actually kind of looked like a dirt bag to me, although I was really glad to see him anyhow. His tattoos were the only recognizable thing about him to me, but I think they also contributed a lot to that initial impression. I remember the band really kicked it, great show, and the set included a lot of KISS material, which they played very well. The thing is, though, the set had so much KISS stuff that I became convinced that Paul and Gene had sent Peter out on the road to get him back in shape for a possible upcoming reunion... and when they finally brought Ace and Peter on stage at their MTV Unplugged gig a few years later, I just KNEW a tour would follow, and sure enough, it did.
You are sure? You are confident in that statement because of what information? It is pretty clear you haven't watched all the episodes or you would know its not a Ace and Peter bashing campaign. Maybe do some research before you make misguided statements. A little info for you... #1 I praised Peter's book. #2 we discussed Vinnie. #3 we talked about vocalists and we pointed out Paul can't sing. #4 was all about producers. As you can see it is not as you incorrectly claim a campaign to bash.
That is fine, that is your feelings. It only represents you, not everyone. I have been a fan since 76 and feel different and I know other fans just as old who also feel different. Why is it so hard for you accept that not everyone has the same opinion as you? Why can't you accept that nobody is right or wrong, it is all just a matter of personal taste.
No I don't agree they took a nose dive. I think removing the makeup put new life and interest into the band. We are talking opinions here, not facts. Until someone can deliver numbers we are not talking facts.
Nope do you take money to show your ignorance and stupidity with a comment like this? Every true KISS fans... you spoke to all of them? Oh and what is the definition of a true KISS fan? Someone who agrees with you I bet? Turn in your KISS Army ID card you are an embarrassment to all fans.
For the same reason Ace and Peter were not members of KISS when they returned. They are all hired musicians. Just like Tommy Lee and Vince Neil in Motley Crue. You leave, you aren't a member any longer. You return, you are paid to play.
As always, that is just your opinion. For me, Paul blew away Ace... easily. As for Peter, sorry but One For All has nothing redeeming about it.
So the Ace and Peter makeup is what is great not the person under it? I notice you didn't say Ace and Peter are great, only their characters. You must not a be a true fan if you believe that. :)
wow that was mindblowing... congratulations you´re doing such an incredible job, I'll be wainting for the second part... many people after this will be thinking vinnie vincent as a possible guest in the future?? of course if you can find him
keep on rockin'
Vinnie is in plain sight. As a fat woman who doesn't play guitar.
No smear campaign, just commentary. Will change your tone when we talk about Gene? But if you don't like, as they say just change the dial.
I love this!
Hi my name is... too afraid to show my face and real name. Really this is the best you got, you little kids who show up and think a little name calling while hiding in the basement will upset me are just too funny. If you ever get around to forming a real statement that you would like to discuss let me know, otherwise you aren't worth the air you breath. I will win you will lose.
Thanks for sharing your inside knowledge. I am assuming you were on the inside and knew the hows and whys of their business and the monies involved and what was successful and what wasn't. Maybe you should just cut to the chase and say KISS without Ace & Peter is fake and nobody cares about them.
I sure don't know, I never saw the contracts. Did you? I would only guess that their 80s recording deals were more valuable (more money) than any 70s Casablanca deal.
Great interview!
Brilliant interview! Thank you.
I am going to preface my remarks by saying from the beginning, I LOVE the show and I appreciate EVERYTHING you guys do. I work at a factory in Michigan and listen to your episodes all day long many,many times. I have views that may diverge from some of yours but I respect y'all nonetheless. It is my opinion that the original lineup created far greater material than any other iteration ESPECIALLY the current model. While I certainly don't begrudge Tommy and Eric their positions and find it repugnant the way Ace treated Tommy the way he did, I DO find it equally ridiculous that some would try to argue this lineup is superior to the original just because these guys can play better than Ace and Peter NOW. Riddle me this: where has Tommy ever written (with Kiss) anything as good as Ace Frehley's Kiss output and where is Eric Singer's "Beth"? If this is all about the songs (as it should be) WHERE ARE THEY? No amount of sales receipt statistics from latter-day tours will ever eclipse the magic of Kiss at their ascendancy and can never out measure the impact Kiss had at the time. So many great 90's era artists were influenced to play music (largely through Ace particularly) by this lineup. The mere audacity of Kiss to release 4 separate solo albums and a made for t.v. movie all within a year's time is all one needs to know about just how big Kiss was at their pinnacle which was BACK THEN (and by extension ) NOT NOW.
A&P can’t play these days, it is pretty simple. KISS is even bigger now than they were in the 70s.
@@MichaelBrandvoldI wouldn’t say that directly. I’d say the band couldn’t have the lasting power without the original four without question, but to say the band is “better” now than they ever were,. That would be an understatement criminally. I love and cherish all eras of KISS. I was introduced to them during the 06/07 VH1 Rock Honors, where that moment literally changed my life seeing that hype package before they performed after Def Leppard. And I’d even say that I was endlessly fascinated by the Sonic Boom era of KISS during high school, but I wished I could experience the majesty that it was late 70s KISS. My favorite song by them for over almost two decades is Shandi, so what can I say in this matter. Have listened to the show since it started and have been rewatching all of the shows and this comment stuck out to me is all. Thanks for everything you have done in regards to persevering KISStory and have a great holiday season
Love this show guys! Keep it up!
Exactly, and with the current makeup they are selling out around the world. Hmm, what to do?
I am fine with you believing what you want. I don't agree with it.
How would you suggest improving the audio quality? Anyway... no loss to us. Take care.
Oh we bash Vinnie Vincent, Paul Stanley... what are you looking for?
great interview wish Eds audio was better though
Ed is referring to the business side of things. By the end of the 80's Kiss was being managed by Paul's shrink, not a professional manager. The business side of Kiss spiraled downward after the original band split apart. The band even sold their music publishing to the Japanese in order to stay in business. They used master tapes as collateral for a bank loan. Kiss did not go on to run a bigger business after Peter and Ace left, it was all scaled down due to lower album and ticket sales.
Wow...this is too funny.
I just found out some guy with a bunch of Peter interviews blocked me...I guess he doesn't like anyone being critical of Peter...and then I hear this.
Actually, I disagree with you. If they did their own characters and sound, the MAJORITY of people attending their shows wouldn't understand. At this point, most people want to see or think they're seeing classic Kiss. Only people like you and I would enjoy the changes you suggested.
this episode never gets old!! gotta be the 5th or 6th time I've listened to it, love the INFINITI MOMENT(s) from Ed!!
Coming in the next 24 hours on iTunes. It was delayed as I was sick with food poisoning.
Very cool video, really enjoyed Peter's book & felt it's honesty! I never liked Ace's. In regards to the ACE/ TOMMY- PETER/ERIC debate, whatever, KISS is KISS! G & P kept it alive thru the 80's (when I REALLY discovered them) and 90's & I enjoyed Eric, Vinnie, Mark and Bruce. I always have supported KISS, even when I was not completely satsified. MONSTER is 1st CD/ ALBUM I didn't buy, kind of LOST THE LOVE. Funny thing, I played in a KISS Tribute (GENE) for the past 16 years & just stopped.
My goodness you again. Is your favorite porn site down today?
Personally I enjoy the show even if I sometimes don't necessarily agree with the opinions presented. It seems put together pretty well despite its limitations. Keep it up.
Thanks Dan.
It would have been great if he would have said I need to go to the bathroom and not get up. Just ten seconds later say "all done".
Guess it all depends on each of definition of "bigger".
I really love your web casts. I have an idea on how to imporve the audio... Try recording each guys audio independently. You can then synch it up and edit together with the video after the web cast is over.
Michael, I enjoy all of your videos here and thank you for bringing this to us fans!.....question though, I guess you have no control over the audio that the other guys have [ volume, tone ] but this is your channel and you are always the least audible volume wise. Would you be able to bring your volume up and or the other guys down for future broadcasts? Thanks again for all you do.
I totally agree,it would have been great to have seen what thy could have brought to the table, there are enough tribute bands out there for fans to re-live the original band.I feel if thy had been allowed to do their own thing,it wouldn't have divided the true fans so much, and we would be talking about the newer guys in their own right.
Thanks Donny. I added the link to part 2 in the description.
How about answering the question? So the Ace and Peter makeup is what is great not the person under it? I notice you didn't say Ace and Peter are great, only their characters.
I can promise you I am not a blind follower, I have been VERY vocal online about what I hate... the setlist, the recent tours, Eric singing Beth, Tommy singing Shock Me, the Monster book, playing on American Idol and Dancing with the Stars. Next!