Fr, techbros and people like him are the type to think that a wet rag makes pressure washing obsolete, or that hoarding crypto will somehow be useful to them after a societal collapse where the internet goes out 😂
Elon gets most of his defense ideas from Sachs who is notoriously anti-hawk and hates the MIC; they prolly also want their buddies at palanthir and andurill to get MIC money.
Scary to think one of those is in a position about "government efficiency" and that it could theoretically cut on defense All of this is, assuming that his position is actually a working one and not just made up like a disconnected controller
Me bleeding out and dying due to a lack of air support during the second Sino-American war in 2037 because a billionaire convinced the military to go full in on ChEaP dRoNes which got microwaved and jammed to hell
My favorite part is all the chinese accounts urging him to use his influence to retire the 6th generation fighter program as its a "white elephant" and a "waste of resources" i wonder why
@@Probable.Orange I think he did actually claimed that the bots are gone, while there is 100s of crypto scam and OF bots in his comment thread for that tweet
His twin brother, Yi Long Musk must have convinced him to watch another Tiktok video about drone swarms. i thought that idea of Arsenal Bird from AC7 was already dead. Here we go again, Banned need to crank another Belkan Witchcraft to bust that nut before November ends.
tbf if the drone swarms would develop into something like an arsenal bird then hell yeah im all for it, but so far its all just the cheap shit thats mainly good against ground targets and low flying aircraft like helicopters for now
The thing is both Russia and China already made it unfeasible. Russia made the Microwave Gun they used to fry US diplomats brains in Havana (which is why they had that 5G conspiracy hysteria) was now the Drone Jamming Gun they boast in UA. China built their prototype Radar Array in Russia (bordering Finland and Sweden) that ionises the atmosphere which jams the GPS of civilian airlines (many complaints from Sweden). The US was decades earlier in E-Warfare with their EA-18 Growlers. If anything, Elon must be jelly about Jeff Bozos Delivery Drone Mothership (drone blimp).
Saw some dude claim that all we need is an "Air based sam system" idk if the dude was saying that Fighters with missiles dont exist or that we need to put a patriot system onto a big balloon to fire at enemy aircraft but it sure is one of the ideas of all time 😭
@@patmarsons1108 DARPA probably have a program in development to equip a fighter with the same targeting and missile capabilities as a patriot battery.
@@ccib00 Multirole fighters do everything but don’t do anything well. F35 would get cheeks clapped by f15e in a dogfight, f22 would be even more one sided. As always the defense contractors make promises about how the operating costs of the new fighter program will be way less and the spare parts and plane much less expensive but those projections rarely reflect the actual real world costs in the future. Chair force management decision makers are the regarded ones here, always asking for a Swiss Army knife plane and then adding requirements as the program goes on. Ruined the next gen fighter just like they ruined the design of the space shuttle
@@kekistanimememan170 I mean pilots are likely told to not say controversial things and to promote the new programs as it keeps the machine going, but hey they'd probably still be honest right
@@jazzmusiccontinues1134 look man, I love the F-15E to death, its one of my favorite aircraft of all time, but an F-35 would clap an F-15E's cheeks any day of the week, the F-15E is way too fat and heavy to compete in a BFM fight with an F-35.
@@yosefvonhansom2921 Being fair tanks are not obsolete but they will be unless someone finds a way to effectively get rid of the drone threath. Russian tanks are getting obliterated in mass because of them
It's almost like DJI-type drones are a completely different kind of system with a different set of jobs. But hey, what do I know, I'm not a rich person whose bought their way into multiple companies.
I unironically thinks he got that take mostly from playing Ace Combat 7 because F-35C's loadout there is pretty bad on game balance wise, it's SPW are 4AAM, 8AGM, and SOD, basically mid-boring stuff that usually overkills their target.
If I remember correctly, the F35C is the marine version of the F35 which makes sense why their loadout is bad. IRL, its the weakest of all F35 version, but at least it can take off and land on an LHD.
@@aaroncabatingan5238 No that's the F35B with it's 'VTOL' capability.The F35C Is the carrier version built to use the catapult system the USA Carrier uses
Look, if its an ADF-11F drone i can understand. But to think that janky, cheap DJI drone makes a multirole-high altitude-sound barrier breaker fighter obselete? What the fuck are you thinking lol
@@freedmen123 They were kind of the opposite of tech bros, though. They thought that things like radio sets, night vision, radar, and composite armor were useless extravagances and preferred stuff that was already obsolete when they were small children. Not that some idiotic new buzzwords had just made everything from the infantry rifle to the attack submarine to the ICBM obsolete overnight.
"fighter jets are obsolete" (referencing a war in eastern europe where fighter jets are the primary employment platform for the majority of the most effective standoff weapons) (god i fucking love stormshadow)
Elon is that kind of guy who looks up to a training exercise report and thinks a Flanker is better than Gripen because it wins 25 to 1 in WVR, but loses by 1 to 5 in BVR. Gotta keep them KD ratio
to be fair, you could probably make fully autonomous drones that are just f35s with a larger computer in them and no cockpit. still wouldnt really be a drone swarm though lol.
I think his main point was they're able to coordinate better than humans, but he completely missed the point where you cannot jam or hijack the signal to a human's brain, and complete autonomy is not an option because the tasks pilots face are so complicated you cannot preprogram everything.
Man, and i thought Elon Musk saying "AI algorithm cameras make Stealth obsolete", ignoring the existence of clouds, OTH munitions (...and many other things amongst common sense) was peak of his brainrot.
I too want to replace fighter jets with drones that can be hacked or jammed and do nothing or worse Also don't they serve very different roles in the first place
@@fourthknower9831 fully autonomous drones will have onboard AI instead of a remote operator, they won't be able to be hacked or jammed. But yes, different operational roles
So much salt. He only got popular because everyone was riding his Richard over Tesla and the rockets. If everyone stopped giving him attention he'd screw off back into obscurity
But he relies on that attention for funding rounds for his companies like SpaceX, that're funded entirely on other people's money and government subsidies!
Unless Elon can think of a way to defeat electronic warfare, GPS Spoofing etc with good reliability, or hijacking of potential command signals, or a way to avoid the pesky thing called "Rules of Engagement" and the legal grey area a fully autonomous AI would operate, there will always be a place for a manned fighter. He doesn't seem to understand that the reliance on cheap drones in the Russo-Ukrainian War is a symptom of the fact that neither side can secure true air or fires superiority. It is a resorting method, not an optimal method. The only exception is in terms of organic UAS capability for infantry sections.
Drones are for intended purposes. Aircraft are for intended purposes. That's why drone aircraft were the focus of Black Ops 2. Not as stealthy and cheap as basic drones, but still automated and capable of the same things are regular aircraft. Design is intention. Drones are for low flying ground combat, like taking out tanks with suicide drones or obsrvation. Aircraft are for altitude combat, like dogfighting, CAS (Close Air Support), and interception.
I love Tesla and I love SpaceX but definitely not because of him. There are thousands of brilliant people working day and night at those companies and yet he gets all the credit
God please let Elon and his "DOGE" to replace every fighter jet in US with his overpriced and somehow shittier version of DJI drones. It would be so funny Bonus point if he says "it will be in mass production next year" every year and just produce one or two of them
B-but the ace combat funni dr-drone ship!!!! The kew-kewl pump and dump stocks I-I can do with them!!!!!!!! T-the AI terminatorh 9 bajillion t-that can see beyond the horiz-horizon!!!!!
After all this time, the Zelensky Can-Biplane still makes me laugh our loud! And aparently, even with the fucking war, the man looses it and starts to laugh whenever he sees memes of himself or from NAFO.😂😂
At this rate bing xi jing will be saying "oh yeah just replace all of our ground troops with those CNT trench rippers". - They're not meant to know about that yet? Shit.
I think he meant large drones. something like "ochotnik". it makes sense, why send a plane to a threatened area when the same bomb can be carried by a drone, which is significantly cheaper, and if the air defense destroys it, you won't lose an expensive pilot
@wyne9145 does not have to cooperate with the aircraft. strike drones have been in service for decades. they just weren't stealth and jet. it is quite enough for basic bombing or carrying missiles. direct support of the A-10 type is not realistic in modern warfare anyway
@@pipexxinar6444 My brother in Christ, we literally already have that it's called a fucking B21 Raider. A drone that is designed to kill will always be a HITL system, because there is no way in hell anyone with a functioning brain is going to give that capability to an AI that can be broken into. This also doesn't solve the problem of drones getting countered by kinetic defenses. Missiles, CIWS or L-CIWS.
@sunrisejackdaw1779 yeah bro it's like drones of different sizes and capacities are quickly taking over roles once dominated by manned craft. Isn't that crazy?
This is why you bring Anti Air and i mean Dual Purpose with both Gun and Missiles because BRRT though the Swarm and the Missile for the Planes, also how many drones would it take to carry a person for a Trip from like the USA to Spain
So you just need a swarm of drones that can withstand EW, reach above airfields hundreds of KM behind the line with plenty of flight time to spare, either have an enemy that don't know how to use hangar or netting or loiter long enough for an aircraft to be taking off at the runway all without getting shot down by short range air defense like pantsir or gepard, and quickly and accurately swan dive into the planes air intake??? That's all???
@@bruh-ni1fy That's a lot of words that I didn't say. The difference in cost alone instantly justifies a 1:10,000 success rate if it even forces an airfield to abort a critical flight operation. We already see the old idea of simple fast attack craft being enough of a threat shifting into suicide drone boats that *just* need multiple counters to all work in unison or lose a whole egg basket.
@@DeeDos1484 The laws of economics dictate that if you need a system to do this that and then whatever it was designed to do, it isn't going to be mass produceable. You make a drone that can fly two to three hundred kilometers to reach an airfield, that adds cost and complexity. You then need to have it be EW resistant or AI driven, that adds cost and complexity. You need it to be able to either not be detected by enemy early warning systems, that adds cost and complexity. Suddenly, you're drone swarm is starting to look a little bit like a drone squadron, which is far from a swarm. With the advent of laser-based CIWS, it's pretty much going to be really easy to park a couple of those bad boys around an Airfield with Radars spotting the drones before they can even get close. Let's say, one makes it and destroys an aircraft on the runway. Good... now the base will be given EVEN MORE defenses. Good luck next time, or the time after that... or the time after that etc. You can keep sending your shit drones, until someone tracks down where they are coming from and that place gets a fun little JDAM surprise.
I mean, they could intercept it? alot of SHORAD systems are already capable of intercepting incoming munitions already, so it wouldn't be stretch for drones to be able to do intercepts as well
Ok, but, isnt the point of modern fighter jets just to spam missiles anyway? Why kepp an expendive (and vulnarable) platform when regular missiles could do the trick? Especially for countries without domestic airplane production, as fighter pilot training is far longer than, say, launcher operators.
Well, when your shitty 30-dollar drone can do the same things an actual aircraft can do...let me know. Cheapo quadcopters are useful...for recon. A jet can still do that recon with a targeting pod, but they can also strike targets with biiiiiiiig munitions. Tanks, trains, fuel depots, supply bases, enemy headquarters etc... all these things can be killed by a plane that is flying high above drone swarms AND not targetable by enemy SAM systems or fighters.
>Drones cant fly high enough Thats just an engineering issue which is an easy fix >Jamming exists So do home on jam missiles Drones as they are being used now are extremely effective and there are people who want to see what other areas they are effective in, the age of the manned fighter can very well be coming to a deminished role from its previous king of the skies position.
I what they are referring to is a drone swarm of cheap DJI drones. Since from what I see from the comments it seems that mr. Elon Musk is saying that the US airforce should replace it's entire fleet of aircraft with these drones and expect them to somehow perform on the same level as some of the fighters they are going to replace. Though as you said in your first point, its an engineering issue; its just that it isnt an easy fix since we have to design an AI to be on par with human pilots and the aircraft to put them in. Drones are being used extremely effective at ground target and seaborne for now and maybe air targets if you count the unfortunate helicopter once in a while, but so far any plans for an air superiority/interceptor and strategic bomber drones are still theoretical. Who knows, maybe once the war in Ukraine is over and the worlds militaries decided to invest more in drone technology, the ai uav's in ace combat might become a reality in the future.
In future manned fighters are basically going to be a combination AWACS and C&C for advanced drones, which will actually be going into the combat airspace; the USAF has already been experimenting with this for the last ten years (EG, MQ-28 and things like that- and those are just the things we KNOW about, not whatever they're tinkering with at Groom Lake). That isn't what musk was talking about though; the giga-brain was talking about copter-type drones, probably misconstruing stuff from articles he skimmed talking about them. These are a completely different type of system, which is more like infantry support equipment, and while they are an emergent field in warfare they are not going to replace aircraft. Specifically I think he saw the articles about how people are making drones to counter drones, and instead of learning the actual reason (shooting a drone down with MANPADS, let alone actual SAMS is expensive), he thought "Aw sick, drone air war, drones are the new planes!"
@barrag3463 You know, now that I think about it, few seemed to mention unmanned water and ground vehicles when it comes to ai replacing their manned counterparts.
@@CharlesOrbe well to at least address the AI part- none of these are replacing men or manned systems, they're meant to augment them. A lot of drones only have automation to help the commander while they control multiple drones, and only fully take over when given fire authority and if the connection is jammed (so the drone still hits it's target). To go back to F-35 (and in future NGAD) and their Drone Wingmen, the idea is that the wingmen will be under the control of the manned fighter, and in addition to serving as an extra layer of protection (both a picket looking for and engaging air targets), they also will allow the manned fighter to "carry" more ordinance and strike at more targets. Automation will be there to help the pilot(s) so they don't have to micro-manage every unit, but they're still going to be the ones designating targets and telling the AI when / if it's ok to fire.
Nothing will really be able to beat laser-based CIWS, because that can melt through any drone that can be cheap enough to build in swarms. It's also dirt cheap to use as opposed to missiles and is undodgeable unlike 20mm CIWS systems are.
@galactic-guy I'm sure you could link drones to ground-based radar, to ID and track incoming munitions. Missiles I'd see as doable, bog-standard shells less so. But again, there are plenty of factors. I could definitely see drones being employed specifically to loiter and target incoming enemy drones. I suppose there's also the question of "Do we need a drone to intercept munitions?" when instead, we could employ other ground, air or sea-based solutions?
@@Fortunate_Fennec If drones really do make fighter jets obsolet (which is simply not true), then every nation would only use drones. No one would use missles, jets bombs etc. and therefore drones would only have to fight drones. This would make everything you mentioned irrelevant
@@galactic-guy never myself mentioned about making those systems obsolete, only that drones could theoretically be developed. I could simply see drones supplementing / countering them just like any other system. Jet aircraft with AI / remote control? Have fun disregarding human G-limitations. Cheaper, guided, long-range munitions? Have drones laser-guide munitions in. Achieving effects in situations where you don't want human lives at risk? Deploy the drones. Given human ingenuity, it wouldn't surprise me to see drones employed in counter-battery roles, to trace incoming munition flight-paths back to source, identify launchers, and destroy them. To be fair, I'm curious how long it'll be before somebody develops drones that can be launched via shell/missile.
@@Fortunate_FennecDARPA is working on the AI variants (probably not going to release in our life times) There's already drone jets.... for like a long ass time, their only used for testing weapons (so we don't blow up test pilots nonstop) and also not worry about the thing being jammed in combat: any jets with Q before it like the QF-4 Phantom or QF-16
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Elon at it's peak thinking capacity:
@@pine9218 *Tech bros at their peak thinking capacity
@@reynanlamsen2007 nah, tech bros' peak thinking is inventing a train, but shittier
@@jakub2631 or a tunnel
Fr, techbros and people like him are the type to think that a wet rag makes pressure washing obsolete, or that hoarding crypto will somehow be useful to them after a societal collapse where the internet goes out 😂
You don't seem to understand, but they are based on the blockchain which makes them invincible
MIC BTFO'd, who needs to invest billions on aircraft when we can just spam drones
DJI drone swarms when EA-18G Growler
AN/ALQ-99 go brrrr
But muh ai automated drone swarms (
Planes when they have to land at an airbase: (the runway has been slightly damaged)
What if the plane is a gripen
@@G36C-556 simple, just land on a highway
"Stealth planes are trash because you can see them!!!!!111"
----Elongated Muskoid, 2024
just use AI low sensitivity cameras bro, like my cars do that cant tell apart a firetruck from a children
@@fuchs-khan I am an engineer don't you know that, engineer first, then software developer (actual quote)
that a thing.. most stealth fighter missiles are made to do beyond visual range. Some are shot from behind the earth curve
@@fuchs-khan Just go out and listen, those jets are LOOOUD
@@AORaiMechWork Average BVR enjoyer vs Average dogfight enthusiast
“Stealth Sucks.” Bros when they get hit with a AGM from BVR.
@maplegumm uuh arent agms optically guided? Dont they need to be in visual range?
@@alqash6749 uhhh, AGM just means air to ground missile. There are all kinds of AGM with all kinds of guidance.
@@alqash6749 no
Tech Bros are a national security risk
@@astebbin He didn't do any of that, engineers did. He is just a super rich cuck who sits at his cesspit he now calls X and complains about shit.
Elon gets most of his defense ideas from Sachs who is notoriously anti-hawk and hates the MIC; they prolly also want their buddies at palanthir and andurill to get MIC money.
Vivek: I want everyone back in the office or they’re fired
Me: My brother in Christ, we don’t even have enough office space to fit everyone
@@LazerWolf21musk also wants to ban remote work
Scary to think one of those is in a position about "government efficiency" and that it could theoretically cut on defense
All of this is, assuming that his position is actually a working one and not just made up like a disconnected controller
Me bleeding out and dying due to a lack of air support during the second Sino-American war in 2037 because a billionaire convinced the military to go full in on ChEaP dRoNes which got microwaved and jammed to hell
Don't forget his pal wants to purge the military of its command and replace them with "reads note" anchors from a news network
Noone could convince the airforce to give up its planes, even if they cost billions
@@MIIRBH didn't the airforce wanted to get rid off a10s
@@ALV694 yes, but noone conviced them to do it, it was just becoming obsolete
My favorite part is all the chinese accounts urging him to use his influence to retire the 6th generation fighter program as its a "white elephant" and a "waste of resources" i wonder why
Muskrat "all the bots are gone, it's a complete centrist townsquare now"
@ALV694 lol you're funny for that that's a funny joke
@@Probable.Orange I think he did actually claimed that the bots are gone, while there is 100s of crypto scam and OF bots in his comment thread for that tweet
@@ALV694Those bots are awesome.
@@ALV694 You called?
Wait, wrong muskrat.
For the homies out there, who somehow still don't know know the name of the song used in the opening, Its "Unwelcome School" from Blue Archive.
WRONG!!!!! IT'S:
"Magic Spear I"
FROM _Ace Combat 7: Skies Unkown_
MINUTE 1:27 to BE EXACT.
😭
His twin brother, Yi Long Musk must have convinced him to watch another Tiktok video about drone swarms.
i thought that idea of Arsenal Bird from AC7 was already dead. Here we go again, Banned need to crank another Belkan Witchcraft to bust that nut before November ends.
tbf if the drone swarms would develop into something like an arsenal bird then hell yeah im all for it, but so far its all just the cheap shit thats mainly good against ground targets and low flying aircraft like helicopters for now
The thing is both Russia and China already made it unfeasible.
Russia made the Microwave Gun they used to fry US diplomats brains in Havana (which is why they had that 5G conspiracy hysteria) was now the Drone Jamming Gun they boast in UA.
China built their prototype Radar Array in Russia (bordering Finland and Sweden) that ionises the atmosphere which jams the GPS of civilian airlines (many complaints from Sweden).
The US was decades earlier in E-Warfare with their EA-18 Growlers. If anything, Elon must be jelly about Jeff Bozos Delivery Drone Mothership (drone blimp).
Those drones from arsenal bird can fire lasers as well
Saw some dude claim that all we need is an "Air based sam system"
idk if the dude was saying that Fighters with missiles dont exist or that we need to put a patriot system onto a big balloon to fire at enemy aircraft but it sure is one of the ideas of all time 😭
NO NO LET HIM COOK
I mean it would help range massively if you had an airship with sams
We haven't MiC'd hard enough until we have flying patriot batteries
@@patmarsons1108 DARPA probably have a program in development to equip a fighter with the same targeting and missile capabilities as a patriot battery.
@@cideltacommand7169why ? AEWACS + Datalink + Fighter+ Missile is basically flying IADS
I will not forgive him for insulting F-35.
@@ccib00 Multirole fighters do everything but don’t do anything well. F35 would get cheeks clapped by f15e in a dogfight, f22 would be even more one sided. As always the defense contractors make promises about how the operating costs of the new fighter program will be way less and the spare parts and plane much less expensive but those projections rarely reflect the actual real world costs in the future. Chair force management decision makers are the regarded ones here, always asking for a Swiss Army knife plane and then adding requirements as the program goes on. Ruined the next gen fighter just like they ruined the design of the space shuttle
The problem is that the f-35 detections are MUCH shorter, and then a lot of plane. So f-35 can see f-15 in radar b4 f-15 can find it
@@jazzmusiccontinues1134I mean pilot who flew both F22 and F35 say the F35 is more capable but hey what do they know.
@@kekistanimememan170 I mean pilots are likely told to not say controversial things and to promote the new programs as it keeps the machine going, but hey they'd probably still be honest right
@@jazzmusiccontinues1134 look man, I love the F-15E to death, its one of my favorite aircraft of all time, but an F-35 would clap an F-15E's cheeks any day of the week, the F-15E is way too fat and heavy to compete in a BFM fight with an F-35.
Elon be starting Lighthouse War on twitter and I never thought that would've happened.
Strongest tech-bro defense take versus weakest armchair analyst
Turns out there's these insane thing called Air Superiority and Combined Arms Warfare not just drone swarms lol.
it's like saying Helicopters made tank obsolete IMHO X"D
I mean he's one of the guys who said tanks are obsolete because of drones
@yosefvonhansom2921 he said that too?
Rifles made infantry obsolete.
@@syaondri yes, he said it in like late '22
@@yosefvonhansom2921 Being fair tanks are not obsolete but they will be unless someone finds a way to effectively get rid of the drone threath.
Russian tanks are getting obliterated in mass because of them
It's almost like DJI-type drones are a completely different kind of system with a different set of jobs.
But hey, what do I know, I'm not a rich person whose bought their way into multiple companies.
I unironically thinks he got that take mostly from playing Ace Combat 7 because F-35C's loadout there is pretty bad on game balance wise, it's SPW are 4AAM, 8AGM, and SOD, basically mid-boring stuff that usually overkills their target.
If I remember correctly, the F35C is the marine version of the F35 which makes sense why their loadout is bad. IRL, its the weakest of all F35 version, but at least it can take off and land on an LHD.
@@aaroncabatingan5238 No that's the F35B with it's 'VTOL' capability.The F35C Is the carrier version built to use the catapult system the USA Carrier uses
Look, if its an ADF-11F drone i can understand. But to think that janky, cheap DJI drone makes a multirole-high altitude-sound barrier breaker fighter obselete? What the fuck are you thinking lol
The US already has a drone swarm program. It just doesn't look like anything that Elon Musk imagines it to be.
tech bros made tanks obsolete in 2022, now planes I wonder whats next
Infantry. He'll release a soldier variant of his scam robot.
@Hlieyto lol
Damn I knew that musk always was a reformer
Fuck Reformers. All my homies hate reformers
@@somekrigsman8141 naw he ain't lmao, musk is just your avg techbro
@@drmaulana2600 Although Musk can be as bad as Dr Christmas at times.
@@drmaulana2600 the reformers were the OG techbros of the defence industrial comples
@@freedmen123 They were kind of the opposite of tech bros, though. They thought that things like radio sets, night vision, radar, and composite armor were useless extravagances and preferred stuff that was already obsolete when they were small children. Not that some idiotic new buzzwords had just made everything from the infantry rifle to the attack submarine to the ICBM obsolete overnight.
"fighter jets are obsolete" (referencing a war in eastern europe where fighter jets are the primary employment platform for the majority of the most effective standoff weapons) (god i fucking love stormshadow)
Elon is one of the few guys I’ve ever seen that can piss off the entire left and right wing at the same time while choosing a side
Honestly, I am convinced that all that was supposed to do was lower the LockMart stock.
he could never lower their stocks I think
isnt this the "200,000 missile for a 200 dollar drone" problem again
Elon is that kind of guy who looks up to a training exercise report and thinks a Flanker is better than Gripen because it wins 25 to 1 in WVR, but loses by 1 to 5 in BVR.
Gotta keep them KD ratio
Major salt detected.
@@cideltacommand7169 it’s not salt if you get bodied in bvr
@@somezsaltz6835 Where is this data even from and what type of flanker?
Gripens are just a bit too overrated
@@SirHellNaja was this based on the Chinese Flankers exercise with Thai gripens
@@cideltacommand7169 I think it's based on the Chinese exercise with Thai gripens
I'm always surprised how dumb rich people can be.
How come, they exemplify everything that is wrong with any society
SWARM CAGE
to be fair, you could probably make fully autonomous drones that are just f35s with a larger computer in them and no cockpit. still wouldnt really be a drone swarm though lol.
Ace combat 7 lore:
@@scrubfire14They are doing it real life with Loyal wingman
We're going to have NEMO by 2040 fr
Mister Techbro, what happens when the stealth bomber blows up the drone operator?
To be fair, he probably meant an F15-like drone- though this is foolish for other reasons.
Among them being "big antena goes zzzzzzz".
MuskMoment™
"I am rich bitch" (10 minutes later he locked himself in a bathroom and starts to cry)
@@zombeyfreak7162 every time he opens his mouth its a musk moment
This is the type of guy to unironically say “if the show is Invincible, then why can I see it?” 🤡
He is the definition of falling upwards
I looked at some maga responses and I can certify those people are 100% regarded
Sometimes, being smart can make you too arrogant to realize you're saying something stupid.
He is not smart, all his shit range from either vaporware to borderline scams
For all his brilliance in other areas military matters isn't one at them for Elon...
I think his main point was they're able to coordinate better than humans, but he completely missed the point where you cannot jam or hijack the signal to a human's brain, and complete autonomy is not an option because the tasks pilots face are so complicated you cannot preprogram everything.
preprogram everything
edge case is discovered in combat
Man, and i thought Elon Musk saying "AI algorithm cameras make Stealth obsolete", ignoring the existence of clouds, OTH munitions (...and many other things amongst common sense) was peak of his brainrot.
Elon saying "drones are the future" be like: 😎
(he did not notice the Kh-38 Grom E1 dashing at him)
Unwelcome School + Magic Spear moment.
When the function got blue archive music
I'm missing the AN-225 camoe's
they will randomly appear eventually in the future 🙃
@@bannedinc. "The Dream lives on"
Its like Dr Christmas saying it has a safety factor of seven.
In the future, maybe, not now though, drones cant get past what? 5 km of the most pro possible?
I too want to replace fighter jets with drones that can be hacked or jammed and do nothing or worse
Also don't they serve very different roles in the first place
@@fourthknower9831 fully autonomous drones will have onboard AI instead of a remote operator, they won't be able to be hacked or jammed. But yes, different operational roles
Even BO2 shows that manguided Jets are better than drones
lake created successfully.
So much salt. He only got popular because everyone was riding his Richard over Tesla and the rockets. If everyone stopped giving him attention he'd screw off back into obscurity
But he relies on that attention for funding rounds for his companies like SpaceX, that're funded entirely on other people's money and government subsidies!
Should stay on Ace Combat Jet + Drone swarm tactic.
Zelenskyy in his li’l barrel biplane sporting Ukrainian flag colors though 😭
Unless Elon can think of a way to defeat electronic warfare, GPS Spoofing etc with good reliability, or hijacking of potential command signals, or a way to avoid the pesky thing called "Rules of Engagement" and the legal grey area a fully autonomous AI would operate, there will always be a place for a manned fighter.
He doesn't seem to understand that the reliance on cheap drones in the Russo-Ukrainian War is a symptom of the fact that neither side can secure true air or fires superiority. It is a resorting method, not an optimal method. The only exception is in terms of organic UAS capability for infantry sections.
Drones are for intended purposes. Aircraft are for intended purposes.
That's why drone aircraft were the focus of Black Ops 2. Not as stealthy and cheap as basic drones, but still automated and capable of the same things are regular aircraft.
Design is intention. Drones are for low flying ground combat, like taking out tanks with suicide drones or obsrvation. Aircraft are for altitude combat, like dogfighting, CAS (Close Air Support), and interception.
I love Tesla and I love SpaceX but definitely not because of him. There are thousands of brilliant people working day and night at those companies and yet he gets all the credit
God please let Elon and his "DOGE" to replace every fighter jet in US with his overpriced and somehow shittier version of DJI drones. It would be so funny
Bonus point if he says "it will be in mass production next year" every year and just produce one or two of them
Self flying next year in 2026! Self flying next year in 2027! ...Self flying next year in 2031. ect.
Chinese= fools! The standoff munition IS THE DRONE SWARM
**drives wuling electric EV with drone launcher trailer**
B-but the ace combat funni dr-drone ship!!!! The kew-kewl pump and dump stocks I-I can do with them!!!!!!!! T-the AI terminatorh 9 bajillion t-that can see beyond the horiz-horizon!!!!!
After all this time, the Zelensky Can-Biplane still makes me laugh our loud! And aparently, even with the fucking war, the man looses it and starts to laugh whenever he sees memes of himself or from NAFO.😂😂
Wtf are you yappin about
@@cbev1249look at the airplane in the bottom right corner of the video.
Question is where was he keeping that ordinance.....
At this rate bing xi jing will be saying "oh yeah just replace all of our ground troops with those CNT trench rippers".
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They're not meant to know about that yet?
Shit.
Banned Inc. doesn't usually miss a beat usually when it comes to satire, so I must must be out of the loop. Now I need to find out. 😅
I hate people think Drones will replace Fighter Jets, sorry but i want Fighter Jets in the Air Forces.
Tech bros are not known for intelligence
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They were just plain Bold and Stupid.
@@snitchpogi1277 and sometimes incredibly lucky
@PietroRusso-n8q and non existent
Damn, you make a new pond
I think he meant large drones. something like "ochotnik". it makes sense, why send a plane to a threatened area when the same bomb can be carried by a drone, which is significantly cheaper, and if the air defense destroys it, you won't lose an expensive pilot
They have loyal wingman which is still being developed
@wyne9145 does not have to cooperate with the aircraft. strike drones have been in service for decades. they just weren't stealth and jet. it is quite enough for basic bombing or carrying missiles. direct support of the A-10 type is not realistic in modern warfare anyway
@@pipexxinar6444 My brother in Christ, we literally already have that it's called a fucking B21 Raider. A drone that is designed to kill will always be a HITL system, because there is no way in hell anyone with a functioning brain is going to give that capability to an AI that can be broken into. This also doesn't solve the problem of drones getting countered by kinetic defenses. Missiles, CIWS or L-CIWS.
Elon Musk is highly regarded
To always be one step away from a ketamine overdose
DJI drone swarms when Skynex
Tech bro mann they really think they know every thing
Hurr durr one of the smartest people can think ahead further than me he must be wrong. US was running drone only missions since the 90s
@@bigboi7817 But Buuutt Muh Le Heckin Group Based Midwittery
Oh i wonder what kind of drone they used.
Oh they're million dollar standoff drones? Oh huh would you look at that?
@sunrisejackdaw1779 yeah bro it's like drones of different sizes and capacities are quickly taking over roles once dominated by manned craft. Isn't that crazy?
I am pretty sure that Elon started believing in the meme version of himself and that's how we got here.
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This is why you bring Anti Air and i mean Dual Purpose with both Gun and Missiles because BRRT though the Swarm and the Missile for the Planes, also how many drones would it take to carry a person for a Trip from like the USA to Spain
OpenAI's partner is putting MANPADS on drones.
Please make more videos about Medieval Soldiers vs Modern Soldiers
I mean. If the drones just spawn camp airfields, all they have to do is swan dive into the air intake while holding a rock.
So you just need a swarm of drones that can withstand EW, reach above airfields hundreds of KM behind the line with plenty of flight time to spare, either have an enemy that don't know how to use hangar or netting or loiter long enough for an aircraft to be taking off at the runway all without getting shot down by short range air defense like pantsir or gepard, and quickly and accurately swan dive into the planes air intake??? That's all???
@@bruh-ni1fy That's a lot of words that I didn't say.
The difference in cost alone instantly justifies a 1:10,000 success rate if it even forces an airfield to abort a critical flight operation.
We already see the old idea of simple fast attack craft being enough of a threat shifting into suicide drone boats that *just* need multiple counters to all work in unison or lose a whole egg basket.
@@DeeDos1484 The laws of economics dictate that if you need a system to do this that and then whatever it was designed to do, it isn't going to be mass produceable. You make a drone that can fly two to three hundred kilometers to reach an airfield, that adds cost and complexity. You then need to have it be EW resistant or AI driven, that adds cost and complexity. You need it to be able to either not be detected by enemy early warning systems, that adds cost and complexity. Suddenly, you're drone swarm is starting to look a little bit like a drone squadron, which is far from a swarm. With the advent of laser-based CIWS, it's pretty much going to be really easy to park a couple of those bad boys around an Airfield with Radars spotting the drones before they can even get close.
Let's say, one makes it and destroys an aircraft on the runway. Good... now the base will be given EVEN MORE defenses. Good luck next time, or the time after that... or the time after that etc. You can keep sending your shit drones, until someone tracks down where they are coming from and that place gets a fun little JDAM surprise.
Stagnant thinking.
Nobody is worried about today, its tomorrow that you should be wary of.
I am sure said rtrd is a military genius with alot of fighting experience under his belt and totally qualified for this radical change In doctorine
I mean, they could intercept it? alot of SHORAD systems are already capable of intercepting incoming munitions already, so it wouldn't be stretch for drones to be able to do intercepts as well
Not high enough to take out jets flying at basic combat ranges, otherwise it would be too expensive to mass produce.
Drone fans explaining why drones good because they cheap:
drone swarm fanboys when they encounter basic electronic countermeasures (they can't do sh*t about it)
GO GO MAGIC CRUISE MISSILE
What's going on in the NACO headquarters in Dnipro?
elon is the kind of guy who has room temperature iq
How the fuck are you uploading so fast?!
And mofo will be in the cabinet
Was he taking about quadcopters or like unmanned fighter jets?
Quadcopter swarms
Ok, but, isnt the point of modern fighter jets just to spam missiles anyway?
Why kepp an expendive (and vulnarable) platform when regular missiles could do the trick?
Especially for countries without domestic airplane production, as fighter pilot training is far longer than, say, launcher operators.
Jets are more flexible in the type of missile/bomb they fling
I didn't see the actual tweet or anything and i wouldn't be surprised if he was this dumb but didn't he mean UAVs in general, not little prop drones?
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Iranian meanwhile doing both :
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I get that but 30 dollar drones vrs 1 millon dollar jets in a war like Ukraine make a huge difference in a battle
@@defcon4215 It's not "vs". Both are important tools that have their own separate functions.
Well, when your shitty 30-dollar drone can do the same things an actual aircraft can do...let me know. Cheapo quadcopters are useful...for recon. A jet can still do that recon with a targeting pod, but they can also strike targets with biiiiiiiig munitions. Tanks, trains, fuel depots, supply bases, enemy headquarters etc... all these things can be killed by a plane that is flying high above drone swarms AND not targetable by enemy SAM systems or fighters.
Elon trying not to make the most stupidest and most impractical shit (IMPOSSIBLE!)
Savage. ❤
>Drones cant fly high enough
Thats just an engineering issue which is an easy fix
>Jamming exists
So do home on jam missiles
Drones as they are being used now are extremely effective and there are people who want to see what other areas they are effective in, the age of the manned fighter can very well be coming to a deminished role from its previous king of the skies position.
I what they are referring to is a drone swarm of cheap DJI drones. Since from what I see from the comments it seems that mr. Elon Musk is saying that the US airforce should replace it's entire fleet of aircraft with these drones and expect them to somehow perform on the same level as some of the fighters they are going to replace.
Though as you said in your first point, its an engineering issue; its just that it isnt an easy fix since we have to design an AI to be on par with human pilots and the aircraft to put them in.
Drones are being used extremely effective at ground target and seaborne for now and maybe air targets if you count the unfortunate helicopter once in a while, but so far any plans for an air superiority/interceptor and strategic bomber drones are still theoretical. Who knows, maybe once the war in Ukraine is over and the worlds militaries decided to invest more in drone technology, the ai uav's in ace combat might become a reality in the future.
In future manned fighters are basically going to be a combination AWACS and C&C for advanced drones, which will actually be going into the combat airspace; the USAF has already been experimenting with this for the last ten years (EG, MQ-28 and things like that- and those are just the things we KNOW about, not whatever they're tinkering with at Groom Lake).
That isn't what musk was talking about though; the giga-brain was talking about copter-type drones, probably misconstruing stuff from articles he skimmed talking about them. These are a completely different type of system, which is more like infantry support equipment, and while they are an emergent field in warfare they are not going to replace aircraft.
Specifically I think he saw the articles about how people are making drones to counter drones, and instead of learning the actual reason (shooting a drone down with MANPADS, let alone actual SAMS is expensive), he thought "Aw sick, drone air war, drones are the new planes!"
@barrag3463 You know, now that I think about it, few seemed to mention unmanned water and ground vehicles when it comes to ai replacing their manned counterparts.
@@CharlesOrbe well to at least address the AI part- none of these are replacing men or manned systems, they're meant to augment them. A lot of drones only have automation to help the commander while they control multiple drones, and only fully take over when given fire authority and if the connection is jammed (so the drone still hits it's target).
To go back to F-35 (and in future NGAD) and their Drone Wingmen, the idea is that the wingmen will be under the control of the manned fighter, and in addition to serving as an extra layer of protection (both a picket looking for and engaging air targets), they also will allow the manned fighter to "carry" more ordinance and strike at more targets. Automation will be there to help the pilot(s) so they don't have to micro-manage every unit, but they're still going to be the ones designating targets and telling the AI when / if it's ok to fire.
Nothing will really be able to beat laser-based CIWS, because that can melt through any drone that can be cheap enough to build in swarms. It's also dirt cheap to use as opposed to missiles and is undodgeable unlike 20mm CIWS systems are.
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Key word is "yet." Drones can't fly high enough or stop munitions yet.
How are they ever supposed to stop munitions?
@galactic-guy I'm sure you could link drones to ground-based radar, to ID and track incoming munitions.
Missiles I'd see as doable, bog-standard shells less so.
But again, there are plenty of factors.
I could definitely see drones being employed specifically to loiter and target incoming enemy drones.
I suppose there's also the question of "Do we need a drone to intercept munitions?" when instead, we could employ other ground, air or sea-based solutions?
@@Fortunate_Fennec If drones really do make fighter jets obsolet (which is simply not true), then every nation would only use drones. No one would use missles, jets bombs etc. and therefore drones would only have to fight drones. This would make everything you mentioned irrelevant
@@galactic-guy never myself mentioned about making those systems obsolete, only that drones could theoretically be developed. I could simply see drones supplementing / countering them just like any other system.
Jet aircraft with AI / remote control? Have fun disregarding human G-limitations.
Cheaper, guided, long-range munitions? Have drones laser-guide munitions in.
Achieving effects in situations where you don't want human lives at risk? Deploy the drones.
Given human ingenuity, it wouldn't surprise me to see drones employed in counter-battery roles, to trace incoming munition flight-paths back to source, identify launchers, and destroy them.
To be fair, I'm curious how long it'll be before somebody develops drones that can be launched via shell/missile.
@@Fortunate_FennecDARPA is working on the AI variants (probably not going to release in our life times)
There's already drone jets.... for like a long ass time, their only used for testing weapons (so we don't blow up test pilots nonstop) and also not worry about the thing being jammed in combat: any jets with Q before it like the QF-4 Phantom or QF-16
Yes, because someone who plays a video game knows what is good and not for the real application in the military
To be fair, playing Arma 3 seriously gives you just a smidge more credibility than Musk.
So, Elon can also plan complex battle doctrines used in real time by real people? The man can't even get bots off Twatter.
bruh have you seen his Druid build?