Finally one reasonable person. FLIPPER was a punch in the face for us, Hardcore fanatics. At first,i hated them, slow,depressive...but i liked JOY DIVISION,so, i started to consider FLIPPER "not hardcore". But they are the hardest of the core
I remember when I was young and obsessed with shredders and neoclassical I though lamondes crazy was quirky, lazy. Older I got, much I realized how important it is in counterplaying claypools precision and composition
Definitely, I'd also list Derek Bailey, Glenn Branca, Keiji Haino, Takashi Mizutani, Masayuki Takayanagi, Kiko Dinucci (even in acoustic fretboard)... Some of them not only dealt with atonal music, but also microtonality (you mentioned the Sonic Youth guitarists, for example). I could mention the huge influence of Keith Rowe had on prepared guitar (even here in Brazil), and also Fred Frith, who conciled the best of prepared guitar with highly composed atonal music. Great list, though. I'm a huge fan of Sonny Sharrock's playing, by the way. His slide guitar on free jazz definitely has influenced me...
You brought up a lot of incredible players. There are so many innovative players from Japan. KK Null could have made the list as well. Brazil is a country I have always wanted to visit. Thanks for watching.
@wallac11 You're welcome! By the way, I also remembered Arto Lindsay, who's Brazilian (born in Pernambuco, from the same Northeastern region as myself) and Anglo-American, and Jad Fair. I think they're of a different breed, but still worth noting. I'm also curious to visit your country, Canada!
Pete Cosey! His work with Miles Davis in the mid-1970s is extraordinary. Catch his playing on the Agharta and Pangaea albums (both recorded live the same day). And Jerry Garcia… it’s easy to ignore him as “atonal” because most of his work is intensely melodic and song-driven, but his approach to the Grateful Dead’s “space” jams was marvelously atonal.
@@wallac11 Miles really understood the tonal importance and possibilities of electric guitar. There’s a lot of incredibly cool stuff on the Jack Johnson album, from John McLaughlin’s twisted blues to an uncredited guest appearance by Sonny Sharrock (with an Echoplex!). But Pete Cosey was simply in another league from every other Miles Davis guitarist (imho), in terms of deeply understanding what Miles was trying to do.
So nice to see Quine on here. Wayne Kramer's solo stuff is well worth revisiting even though it was pretty thoroughly ignored. Especially the spoken word stuff like Dead Movie Stars, Bomb Day in Paris, or Nelson Algren Stopped By (which he did with Mars Williams). RIP to a real one.
Fred Frith, Kevin Shields of My Bloody Valentine, Ben Weinman of DEP and Fredrik Thordendal with his impeccable ability to switch between total chaos and merciless precision.
Fredrik Thordendal is my absolute favorite metal guitarist!!! I wish that Meshuggah pushed their sound more so that they could let him really really LET LOOSE! We've only seen a fraction of what he's really capable of imo
great list + great additions in the comments. Since you paired Lee Ranaldo and Thurston Moore in a single entry I'm wondering if it would make the sense to do the same for Lou Reed and Sterling Morrison. Dissonance wasn't the only arrow in the Velvet Underground's quiver, but when they went for it (e.g. "Sister Ray") those two guitarists (as well as bassist/violist John Cale) did it with such gusto and ferocity they broke all sorts of ground -- paving the way for many of the artists you covered here.
Denis "Piggy" D'Amour of Voivod during their Dimension Hatross/Nothingface period is some of my favorite atonal playing. He cut his teeth on "thrash metal," then threw everyone for a loop with some creative left field song structures and odd time signatures.
Thanks for this video, for real. I'm definitely going to have to hunt down Sonny Sharrock. There's some heavy power behind that. I would also include d. boon. There was an ecstatic quality to his style that I have always loved.
I love the guitar in jesus lizard. Dark, atmospheric, adds a unique quality to their style that is simply amazing. At one point i had joined a band with some friends and the guitar player and i were talking about solos and how i had no interest in solos and was more interested in lead rhythms. He was struggling writing solo parts or lead parts and i cited greg ginn as an example of just throwing nonsense noise in parts and not worrying about writing anything. Eventually you'll play something you like and build around that over time through just jamming the song over and over. Or leave the noise if you can't come up with anything. Doesn't matter. He was putting too much pressure on himself to write instead of just feel.
Missing from your favourite guitarist noise dissonance list also. You really need to mention Cosey Fanny Tutti of Throbbing Gristle , also...especially when mentioning Heathen Earth (1080)!!!
Some of my favorites in this video and comments for sure. Also, Raoul Björkenheim, Geordie Walker, Eivind Aarset, Hedvig Mollestad Thomassen, Harvey Valdes
You remembered Sharrock, Fripp, Quine, and my personal favourite and mentor, Marc Ribot, so I’m content with this list. I do think Tom Verlaine would be a good candidate as well, as per his playing on “Bomb”.
Masayuki Takayanagi. John Abercrombie in Gateway. Steve Albini - Metallic sounds cords from Big Black/Shellac tracks. John McLaughlin - In early solo works / Trios. Henry Kaiser. Mary Halverson. Weasel Walter. Bill Orcutt. Norman Westberg.
I definitely associate this style of atonal “unmelodic” lead playing with early death metal, especially trey azagtoth from morbid angel. What’s especially unique is that every time he creates a new and distinct sounding atonal texture that I rarely see in his peers
As someone who has toured for over a decade myself, I ended up doing some shows with sonic Youth: Oh dear, I feel so freaking sorry for their guitar techs!!! They had like 20+ guitars just stood up in a cardboard box, off the truck! No road cases, no precautions, no nothin', and each one tuned differently on purpose!! Daaaaaaang!
Awww...you missed a few faves... Pete Cosey. In Miles' electric bands, Pete brought a bagful of cats into the fray. Videos from around the "Dark Magus" period show him running his axe through either a VCS3 or Minimoog for added yowl! Arto Lindsay was one of the original "No Wave" players...raised in Brazil, he often tossed the normal guitar sound in favor of a chaotic, polyrhythmic stew that used the instrument like some mutated berimbau gone VERY wrong. Glenn Branca: not merely a guitarist, but a composer of symphonic works for electric guitar ensembles. This is where Sonic Youth actually starts, with Thurston Moore and Lee Ranaldo working with Branca as far back as the composer's first works on NYC's super-influential 99 Records label. Keith Rowe: co-founder of the experimental group AMM, Rowe was hugely influential as London's psychedelic scene was beginning to take off. He was a huge influence on Syd Barrett and John Lennon and was a big part of the cultural cross fertilization between the avant-garde and psychedelia. And...Eugene Chadborne. The noise pioneer, blues mutant and man who first combined a diMarzio pickup and a garden rake. Difficult but extremely fun... especially his cover versions!
Damn buddy, you beat me to the Pete Cosey punch... Nice list of names you got there. When I saw the title to this video Pete was the first name that popped into my head!!! That's what I miss about guitarists and other musicians from back in the day. Music had a lot more character. I think the Iggy Pop song off of American Caesar, "Characters," was about that...
Very interesting , sometimes i play sounds like these , but as a self-tought i had no idea that it had a name and likers , because it sounds kind of weird i would regardless throw it away ... From now one i will give these guitar moves more attention and try to work them . Thanks for your sharing 🎉 Merry X-mas to you all 🌟🎄☃️🎅🏻❄️
Thank you for giving me a few new old artists to investigate. Plus ive appreciated rain dogs a billion times without putting a face to all those beautiful jangly guitar motifs i could probably hum in my sleep. Seeing as it seems the tradition to namedrop a few of my own, ill add that fugazi comes to mind as well as east bay ray from dead kennedys.
Its sometimes frustrating how underrated Sonny Sharrock is, influenced so much from jazz to rock. Seize the Rainbow and Ask the Ages are such incredible albums. I think Marc Ribots playing is underrated too but my favourite playing of his, is on the album Voice of Chunk by The Lounge Lizards. Especially his atonal solo on the title track. Needs to be more videos like this!
Two of my main influences are Keith Levene from PiL , and Rowland Howard from the Birthday Party. Levene is at his best with bassist Jah Wobble on Second Edition and Flowers of Romance. I wouldn't leave out Brian McMahan and Paz Pojo from the short lived Slint, either.Definitely all listen and learn players .
What, no mention of Australia’s King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard? They have albums that are all microtonal. They even had special guitars made with extra frets installed to access these notes. Great list, with all the extras in the comments included.
That... is not what this video is talking about. I haven't heard them use too much dissonance but the Flying Microtonal Banana has little to no dissonance, those microtones are just flattened or sharpened 12-tone notes and are used in a melodic way. Guitar dissonance has more to do with b9nd's, tritones and other extensions ringing out with a distorted tone.
A surpising miss here, both in the video and the comments - Frank Zappa. Besides being a wonderfully skronky and creative guitarist, he was a full-tilt atonal-modern composer, strongly influenced by the likes of Edgar Varese. And as a guitarist, his playing wedded the tonal power of blues-driven electric guitar to radical rhythmic devices, exotic/mechanical scales, and very effective use of wah and feedback.
Enjoyed this video. More guitar players deserving mention, all with some connection to the instrumental improv / free music / avant-garde in NYC: Joe Morris, Brandon Seabrook, Mary Halvorson, Ava Mendoza, Wendy Eisenberg, and Sandy Ewen. All making great (guitar) music, in solo performance and in their many collaborations.
Great video! For my 2 cents, I'd add John Dieterich and Ed Rodriguez from Deerhoof; my favorite guitar duo of the 21st century. The track Plant Thief showcases some of their wildest guitar alchemy.
I never really appreciated Kim Thayil of Soundgarden before maybe I should reconsider now. I always felt like they got lost in the mix of the songs and never worked for or against the compositions unless its brought to the center, which it rarely is. Sunny Sharrock is really interesting, I haven't even heard of him but I relate to his story, I love a noisy sex but don't have the cash for one. Vernon Reid is fucking amazing too, Idk how far he goes since I've only just started ot get into him but his solos are out there.
I've been playing guitar/music for 62 years and never heard of any one of these guys? Although, some of it sounded interesting? But, I'm going forward not sideways!!!
I think what I like about dissonant rock (vs classical) is that the feedback techniques developed Hendrix (and Fripp as you explain) feels more organic than a more deliberate atonal composition. I do love the texture - for example “Superstar” by Sonic Youth sounds way cooler than the original Carpenters version. I can see how Radiohead and The Strokes are a kind of final mainstream culmination of dissonant rock and perhaps rock itself. I listened to “Three” by Caspar Brotzmann - very avant grade but not exactly easy listening. But will stick with this guy cause it sounds like he’s worth it.
seems like this video is avoiding more 'extreme' and metal-leaning music but in that realm off the top of the head I'd say Mick Barr (Orthrelm, Krallice and more), Chris Arp (Psyopus), and Fredrik Thordendal (Meshuggah) are sophisticated players with unique approaches to harmony and melody (as well as structure and rhythm) and are worth a look from anyone interested in dissonant and atonal music. there are way more of course.
There's a lot to be said about Lou Reed's playing. I don't think he gets enough credit as a guitarist. Listen to "I Heard Her Call My Name". Great list though.
Well James it looks like you hit an interesting nerve here. Opinionated, but endlessly curious. Glad you've got a hit here. I've always, been a bit leery of attracting these guys, mostly guys, which might explain why I don't do too many guitar focused videos. But I do have a Jimi Hendrix video coming up, We'll see what happens whe I finally spill my weird Hendrix theory. Good job!
Really good list. This might be the only list video ive ever watched that didnt leave me yelling WHAT ABOUT...??? I guess glenn branca. but you included greg ginn and i dont think most people would put him on a list like this
JAMES BLOOD ULMER was the first jazz artist that i listened do. He was called "Jazz/Punk", enough for a 15 year Punk who wants to explore strange corners. I adore music,it started with Punk,but now, i enjoy music from all over the world. It can be jazz, punk or whatever, but i don't enjoy commercial BS. There are some earworms you can't forget, but the duration of todays pop hit is....maybe 2 months. JUMPING JACK FLASH has not this kind of a trouble
Greg Ginn made me stick with transistor amps. If its good enough for him it's good enough for me. Also worth checking out for anyone who have'nt yet is von lmo, Glenn Branca and honestly Brushy one string too.
Larry LaLonde of Primus.
Amazing guitar player.
Finally one reasonable person. FLIPPER was a punch in the face for us, Hardcore fanatics. At first,i hated them, slow,depressive...but i liked JOY DIVISION,so, i started to consider FLIPPER "not hardcore". But they are the hardest of the core
I've always liked LaLonde.
I remember when I was young and obsessed with shredders and neoclassical I though lamondes crazy was quirky, lazy. Older I got, much I realized how important it is in counterplaying claypools precision and composition
Possessed- Seven Churches
Best list I've seen anywhere yet. Nice.
I would add Fred Frith, Derek Bailey, Eugene Chadbourne, and David Torn..
Awesome choices.
Fred is one of the greatest
@@unknown6390 FF's Guitar Solos 1-2 peeled my head open many years ago.
What, FF is not on this list? Yeah, no so great video
Andy Partridge of XTC, particularly the early stuff..
Ichiro Agata's work in '90s Melt-Banana, Snakefinger's work in the Residents and solo albums.
Love Snakefinger
.....Sonny Sharrock my favorite......he was such a fearless atonal guitar player......
Yes was trying to remember his name. Thanks and Merry Christmas. Sonny was way out there❤ left us way too early.
Definitely, I'd also list Derek Bailey, Glenn Branca, Keiji Haino, Takashi Mizutani, Masayuki Takayanagi, Kiko Dinucci (even in acoustic fretboard)... Some of them not only dealt with atonal music, but also microtonality (you mentioned the Sonic Youth guitarists, for example). I could mention the huge influence of Keith Rowe had on prepared guitar (even here in Brazil), and also Fred Frith, who conciled the best of prepared guitar with highly composed atonal music. Great list, though. I'm a huge fan of Sonny Sharrock's playing, by the way. His slide guitar on free jazz definitely has influenced me...
You brought up a lot of incredible players. There are so many innovative players from Japan. KK Null could have made the list as well. Brazil is a country I have always wanted to visit. Thanks for watching.
@wallac11 You're welcome! By the way, I also remembered Arto Lindsay, who's Brazilian (born in Pernambuco, from the same Northeastern region as myself) and Anglo-American, and Jad Fair. I think they're of a different breed, but still worth noting. I'm also curious to visit your country, Canada!
Ted Falconi of Flipper deserves a mention, but no complaints at all with your list.
Ted Falconi is a master noisemaker. Thanks for watching.
YES YES! also Joe Biaza of Saccharine Trust!
Good call
Saccharine Trust and Universal Congress of are amazing.
Robert Quine Is /was a hell of a guitar monster
absolutely!
For sure Bob Quine!!
Pete Cosey! His work with Miles Davis in the mid-1970s is extraordinary. Catch his playing on the Agharta and Pangaea albums (both recorded live the same day). And Jerry Garcia… it’s easy to ignore him as “atonal” because most of his work is intensely melodic and song-driven, but his approach to the Grateful Dead’s “space” jams was marvelously atonal.
Garcia got some out there playing on the Space jams. I got to do a video on Miles Davis's electric period.
@@wallac11 Miles really understood the tonal importance and possibilities of electric guitar. There’s a lot of incredibly cool stuff on the Jack Johnson album, from John McLaughlin’s twisted blues to an uncredited guest appearance by Sonny Sharrock (with an Echoplex!). But Pete Cosey was simply in another league from every other Miles Davis guitarist (imho), in terms of deeply understanding what Miles was trying to do.
I think Omar Rodriguez from Mars Volta is worth mentioning ! Thank you for the video ! :)
Thanks for watching.
Steve Howe's guitar work on "The Ancient" from "Tales" is pretty darn atonal.
Also, I'd throw Roy Buchanan in there.
Roy Buchanan is incredible.
Great list. Just missing Keith Levene
PIL
So nice to see Quine on here. Wayne Kramer's solo stuff is well worth revisiting even though it was pretty thoroughly ignored. Especially the spoken word stuff like Dead Movie Stars, Bomb Day in Paris, or Nelson Algren Stopped By (which he did with Mars Williams). RIP to a real one.
Also, great video!
The Mavanusha Orchestra?!? Awesome. Just teasing. Great video man
Man thank you for this very awesome list! I’ve added a few of these artists to my playlists! Thankful to have discovered your channel, subscribed
Fred Frith, Kevin Shields of My Bloody Valentine, Ben Weinman of DEP and Fredrik Thordendal with his impeccable ability to switch between total chaos and merciless precision.
Great choices.
Fredrik Thordendal is my absolute favorite metal guitarist!!! I wish that Meshuggah pushed their sound more so that they could let him really really LET LOOSE! We've only seen a fraction of what he's really capable of imo
Frith!
Fantastic list of bands and players, thanks man!!
No problem!
really great list
great list + great additions in the comments. Since you paired Lee Ranaldo and Thurston Moore in a single entry I'm wondering if it would make the sense to do the same for Lou Reed and Sterling Morrison. Dissonance wasn't the only arrow in the Velvet Underground's quiver, but when they went for it (e.g. "Sister Ray") those two guitarists (as well as bassist/violist John Cale) did it with such gusto and ferocity they broke all sorts of ground -- paving the way for many of the artists you covered here.
The Velvet Underground are the foundation from which any kind of alternative rock grows from.
Sonny was so gifted❤️
M A S S A-K E R R R R R R R- Saw Caspar in 1994- life-changing performance
Mentioning Hendrix at the moment Caspar appears on screen playing a left-handed strat upside down was brilliant timing.
Thank you
Derek Bailey, Fred Frith, Hans Reichel, Masayuki Takayanagi, Adrian Belew, Blixa Bargeld, Donald Miller
Great list glad you mentioned greg gin, id also put buzz Osborne and wata on this list as well
The Melvins and Boris are both awesome. Thanks for watching.
Denis "Piggy" D'Amour of Voivod during their Dimension Hatross/Nothingface period is some of my favorite atonal playing. He cut his teeth on "thrash metal," then threw everyone for a loop with some creative left field song structures and odd time signatures.
Thanks for this video, for real. I'm definitely going to have to hunt down Sonny Sharrock. There's some heavy power behind that. I would also include d. boon. There was an ecstatic quality to his style that I have always loved.
my 2 cents on add to list is Omar Rodríguez-López
Mars Volta!
I love the guitar in jesus lizard. Dark, atmospheric, adds a unique quality to their style that is simply amazing.
At one point i had joined a band with some friends and the guitar player and i were talking about solos and how i had no interest in solos and was more interested in lead rhythms. He was struggling writing solo parts or lead parts and i cited greg ginn as an example of just throwing nonsense noise in parts and not worrying about writing anything. Eventually you'll play something you like and build around that over time through just jamming the song over and over. Or leave the noise if you can't come up with anything. Doesn't matter. He was putting too much pressure on himself to write instead of just feel.
Sonny Sharrock also great on the sound track and titles of Space Ghost coast to coast
Bruce Anderson (MX80 Sound), Justin Broadrick, Eric Jurenovskis (Head of David), Matthew Bower (Skullflower), Gary Mundy (Ramleh)
Great players
Check out Phil Gibbs from Bristol, U.K. A master of prepared guitar and a true explorer. Has collaborated a lot with Paul Dundalk over the years.
tom verlaine and richard lloyd, richard thompson on some tracks, les davidson on Scott Walker's 'the Shutout', adrian belew
Great choices. The solo on Shoot Out The Lights is terrifying.
Missing from your favourite guitarist noise dissonance list also.
You really need to mention Cosey Fanny Tutti of Throbbing Gristle , also...especially when mentioning Heathen Earth (1080)!!!
I love her books, too
Some of my favorites in this video and comments for sure. Also, Raoul Björkenheim, Geordie Walker, Eivind Aarset, Hedvig Mollestad Thomassen, Harvey Valdes
Living Colour's Vernon reid could be on that list, as well as Primus' Larry LaLonde. Piggy from Voivod, too.
You remembered Sharrock, Fripp, Quine, and my personal favourite and mentor, Marc Ribot, so I’m content with this list. I do think Tom Verlaine would be a good candidate as well, as per his playing on “Bomb”.
Love Television
Masayuki Takayanagi.
John Abercrombie in Gateway.
Steve Albini - Metallic sounds cords from Big Black/Shellac tracks.
John McLaughlin - In early solo works / Trios.
Henry Kaiser.
Mary Halverson.
Weasel Walter.
Bill Orcutt.
Norman Westberg.
I would have included Frank Zappa in this list. I'm glad you included Fripp.
I will eventually do a whole series on Zappa. Thanks for watching.
@@wallac11 Very cool! 🙂
+1 on Zappa.
really good list.
seanM
Yes - Zappa’s playing on the Mothers albums like Weasels and Uncle Meat hit all the right “wrong” notes! 😄
I definitely associate this style of atonal “unmelodic” lead playing with early death metal, especially trey azagtoth from morbid angel.
What’s especially unique is that every time he creates a new and distinct sounding atonal texture that I rarely see in his peers
Alatars of Madness has a lot of chaotic guitar playing. Thanks for watching.
Was a big influence for me when I played that stuff
As someone who has toured for over a decade myself, I ended up doing some shows with sonic Youth: Oh dear, I feel so freaking sorry for their guitar techs!!! They had like 20+ guitars just stood up in a cardboard box, off the truck! No road cases, no precautions, no nothin', and each one tuned differently on purpose!! Daaaaaaang!
For incredible dissonance in metal check out Voivod's "Dimension hatröss" & Portal's "avow" albums.
Love Voivod, Check out my series on thrash metal ua-cam.com/video/vhZfkUTse2Q/v-deo.html
For me it's always been about Fripp, Sharrock, and Vernon Reid (honorable mention for early Bill Frisell)
Frisell is amazing on the Naked City and Power Tools albums.
Dr. Know
Really interesting video , enjoyed it . Thanks CAMCURSE
Great list.
Tom Morello definitely deserves a mention.
Personally, I always loved hearing some Joe Baiza.
Saccharine Trust
Awww...you missed a few faves...
Pete Cosey. In Miles' electric bands, Pete brought a bagful of cats into the fray. Videos from around the "Dark Magus" period show him running his axe through either a VCS3 or Minimoog for added yowl!
Arto Lindsay was one of the original "No Wave" players...raised in Brazil, he often tossed the normal guitar sound in favor of a chaotic, polyrhythmic stew that used the instrument like some mutated berimbau gone VERY wrong.
Glenn Branca: not merely a guitarist, but a composer of symphonic works for electric guitar ensembles. This is where Sonic Youth actually starts, with Thurston Moore and Lee Ranaldo working with Branca as far back as the composer's first works on NYC's super-influential 99 Records label.
Keith Rowe: co-founder of the experimental group AMM, Rowe was hugely influential as London's psychedelic scene was beginning to take off. He was a huge influence on Syd Barrett and John Lennon and was a big part of the cultural cross fertilization between the avant-garde and psychedelia.
And...Eugene Chadborne. The noise pioneer, blues mutant and man who first combined a diMarzio pickup and a garden rake. Difficult but extremely fun... especially his cover versions!
You chose so many great players. I will eventually do a video on Miles Davis's electric period.
Please please do!!!! Pete is probably one of my top five guitarists of all time!!! What a monster!!!@@wallac11
Damn buddy, you beat me to the Pete Cosey punch... Nice list of names you got there. When I saw the title to this video Pete was the first name that popped into my head!!! That's what I miss about guitarists and other musicians from back in the day. Music had a lot more character. I think the Iggy Pop song off of American Caesar, "Characters," was about that...
Very interesting , sometimes i play sounds like these , but as a self-tought i had no idea that it had a name and likers , because it sounds kind of weird i would regardless throw it away ... From now one i will give these guitar moves more attention and try to work them .
Thanks for your sharing 🎉
Merry X-mas to you all 🌟🎄☃️🎅🏻❄️
Merry Christmas and thanks for watching.
Great video.
Thank you.Please share.
Derek Bailey. The master.
Masayuki Takayanagi.
Thank you for giving me a few new old artists to investigate. Plus ive appreciated rain dogs a billion times without putting a face to all those beautiful jangly guitar motifs i could probably hum in my sleep. Seeing as it seems the tradition to namedrop a few of my own, ill add that fugazi comes to mind as well as east bay ray from dead kennedys.
Great choices. I have a video on post-hardcore bands.
Some very interesting names. I would add Henry Kaiser, Fred Frith and, obviously, Derek Bailey.
Definitely all of those players could have made the list.
@@wallac11 It's time to start thinking about part 2.
Maybe.
Bailey wrote a great book about improv. Highly recommended
Anne Husick-Band of Susans
Mark C.-Live Skull
Thor Eisentrager-Cows
Great bands
Black Flag have just become my new obsession! Thanks man!!🤘
That's awesome
Ollie Halsall, especially his fiery work in Patto
Its sometimes frustrating how underrated Sonny Sharrock is, influenced so much from jazz to rock. Seize the Rainbow and Ask the Ages are such incredible albums. I think Marc Ribots playing is underrated too but my favourite playing of his, is on the album Voice of Chunk by The Lounge Lizards. Especially his atonal solo on the title track. Needs to be more videos like this!
Thanks for watching. The Lounge Lizards are amazing.
Arto Lindsey, Elliot Sharp, David Tronzo, Bill Frisell (early)
Two of my main influences are Keith Levene from PiL , and Rowland Howard from the Birthday Party.
Levene is at his best with bassist Jah Wobble on Second Edition and Flowers of Romance.
I wouldn't leave out Brian McMahan and Paz Pojo from the short lived Slint, either.Definitely all listen and learn players .
Great choices.
What, no mention of Australia’s King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard? They have albums that are all microtonal. They even had special guitars made with extra frets installed to access these notes. Great list, with all the extras in the comments included.
As much as I love KGLW, they don’t really have a lot of atonal stuff going on…
That... is not what this video is talking about. I haven't heard them use too much dissonance but the Flying Microtonal Banana has little to no dissonance, those microtones are just flattened or sharpened 12-tone notes and are used in a melodic way. Guitar dissonance has more to do with b9nd's, tritones and other extensions ringing out with a distorted tone.
King Gizzard are different because they have actual musical talent..
Richard Bishop of the Sun City Girls
Love Sun City Girls.
Cool idea...I just wish you had let us hear more than a few seconds of each player.
Worth noting that james blood ulmer tunes. his guitar to all A's across the strings.
That’s right. Thanks for watching.
Blood Ulmer rocks
A surpising miss here, both in the video and the comments - Frank Zappa. Besides being a wonderfully skronky and creative guitarist, he was a full-tilt atonal-modern composer, strongly influenced by the likes of Edgar Varese. And as a guitarist, his playing wedded the tonal power of blues-driven electric guitar to radical rhythmic devices, exotic/mechanical scales, and very effective use of wah and feedback.
I am eventually going to do a series on Zappa
Frith, Chadbourne, Haino, Yoshihide Otomo, Torn, Arto Lindsay, Attila Zollers Free Jazz-Stuff.....
Tons of people....
Great names
Check out Jim Thomas of the mermen A glorious lethal euuphoria
Will do
Props for mentioning Caspar Brötzmann. He's a God amongst men.
glaze
Absolutely
Came here to make sure he was on the list! 😂
@@Malegys A god amongst men… well said
Various guys from Captain Beefheart and his Magic Band, but it's a good list
Gary Lucas and Zoot Horn Rollo. Thanks for watching.
Nice vid. Buckethead, Adrian Belew , Arto Lindsay, Killing Floor. Or how about Andy Summers solo on Driven To Tears?
Good choices
Kim Thayil sound super melodic to me, even his playing with overtones/flageolets is completely within the harmonic structure.
150% agreed.
Enjoyed this video. More guitar players deserving mention, all with some connection to the instrumental improv / free music / avant-garde in NYC: Joe Morris, Brandon Seabrook, Mary Halvorson, Ava Mendoza, Wendy Eisenberg, and Sandy Ewen. All making great (guitar) music, in solo performance and in their many collaborations.
Derek Bailey
Definitely a pioneer in dissonance on the guitar.
Great list. One of my faves: Anthony Pirog, Messthetics.,, Adrian Belew, too!! 😂
Great choices
Great video!
For my 2 cents, I'd add John Dieterich and Ed Rodriguez from Deerhoof; my favorite guitar duo of the 21st century. The track Plant Thief showcases some of their wildest guitar alchemy.
Good choices.
Great video! I now have a whole bunch of new guitar players to check out! Thansk! 🤟💀🤟
Glad I could help.
I never really appreciated Kim Thayil of Soundgarden before maybe I should reconsider now. I always felt like they got lost in the mix of the songs and never worked for or against the compositions unless its brought to the center, which it rarely is. Sunny Sharrock is really interesting, I haven't even heard of him but I relate to his story, I love a noisy sex but don't have the cash for one.
Vernon Reid is fucking amazing too, Idk how far he goes since I've only just started ot get into him but his solos are out there.
Gareth Sager?
The Pop Group
Paul Leary on Psychic, Powerless... Woly boly in particular.
Vernon Reid Sonny Sharrock
I've been playing guitar/music for 62 years and never heard of any one of these guys? Although, some of it sounded interesting? But, I'm going forward not sideways!!!
Ted Falconi of Flipper, Glenn Branca (which I don't know how can he be left out of this list), Andy Palmer of CRASS.
Glenn Branca definitely considered for the list. Thanks for watching.
I think what I like about dissonant rock (vs classical) is that the feedback techniques developed Hendrix (and Fripp as you explain) feels more organic than a more deliberate atonal composition.
I do love the texture - for example “Superstar” by Sonic Youth sounds way cooler than the original Carpenters version.
I can see how Radiohead and The Strokes are a kind of final mainstream culmination of dissonant rock and perhaps rock itself.
I listened to “Three” by Caspar Brotzmann - very avant grade but not exactly easy listening. But will stick with this guy cause it sounds like he’s worth it.
Radiohead and the Strokes mainstreamed noisy avant garde guitar playing. Caspar Brotzmann is incredible. Thanks for watching.
Vernon is a Monster player. ❤️
Page Hamilton of helmet
seems like this video is avoiding more 'extreme' and metal-leaning music but in that realm off the top of the head I'd say Mick Barr (Orthrelm, Krallice and more), Chris Arp (Psyopus), and Fredrik Thordendal (Meshuggah) are sophisticated players with unique approaches to harmony and melody (as well as structure and rhythm) and are worth a look from anyone interested in dissonant and atonal music. there are way more of course.
Greg is awesome he was also into Sun Ra, Cecil Taylor and Ornette Coleman
He loved Free Jazz. Thanks for watching.
There's a lot to be said about Lou Reed's playing. I don't think he gets enough credit as a guitarist. Listen to "I Heard Her Call My Name".
Great list though.
The Velvet Underground revolutionized rock music.
Every guitar solo by Paige Hamilton
Helmet!
Kasper Brotzman nice. Glen Branca is another
Glen Branca's compositions were noisy and powerful. Thanks for watching.
@ thank you I really like your channel
Well James it looks like you hit an interesting nerve here. Opinionated, but endlessly curious. Glad you've got a hit here. I've always, been a bit leery of attracting these guys, mostly guys, which might explain why I don't do too many guitar focused videos. But I do have a Jimi Hendrix video coming up, We'll see what happens whe I finally spill my weird Hendrix theory. Good job!
Thanks Byrne. I am really looking forward to your video about how Hendrix’s sound was inspired.
Excellent video. You got a subscription from me.
Thank you. Please share my videos.
Really good list. This might be the only list video ive ever watched that didnt leave me yelling WHAT ABOUT...??? I guess glenn branca. but you included greg ginn and i dont think most people would put him on a list like this
Thanks for watching.
Allan Holdsworth?
For sure
JAMES BLOOD ULMER was the first jazz artist that i listened do. He was called "Jazz/Punk", enough for a 15 year Punk who wants to explore strange corners. I adore music,it started with Punk,but now, i enjoy music from all over the world. It can be jazz, punk or whatever, but i don't enjoy commercial BS. There are some earworms you can't forget, but the duration of todays pop hit is....maybe 2 months. JUMPING JACK FLASH has not this kind of a trouble
❤Soon as they mentioned Sharrock, I thought of Ulmer
Eugene Chadbourne, Fred Frith..
He was totally unique
Blood, absolutely all day long
Greg Ginn made me stick with transistor amps. If its good enough for him it's good enough for me. Also worth checking out for anyone who have'nt yet is von lmo, Glenn Branca and honestly Brushy one string too.
Glenn Branca and Von Lmo are both amazing. Thanks for watching.
Greg saved you a fortune replacing tubes.
Hell yeah!!!
Paul Leary butthole surfers
Rick Bishop
Sun City Girls
Sun City Girls need their own video. Thanks for watching.
well done
Thanks for watching.
Nels Kline… and guitarist from band ‘Blind Idiot God’
Both good choices.
Rowland S. Howard of birthday party, crime and city solution
Amazing chaotic player
Where's Ron Jarzombek?
Vernon Reid. Michael Gregory Jackson
Excellent choices