My good friend grew up in a gang family and him and his young cousins were preyed on by one of the uncles. They all turned a blind eye to it. Sick culture.
I get sick of these gangsters trying to mix up gang culture with Māori culture to try and legitimise wearing these patches. It’s nothing to do with Māori culture although unfortunately it’s ingrained in many communities.
It's all about excuses and avoiding any kind of reasonable behaviour or accountability. Like how they pretend theyre all about sandwiches and whanau, yet news reports of inter-gang, intra-gang, and random violence and murders are everywhere. Let's all pretend patches and behaviour aren't an issue and it's everyone else's fault.
I see aging hasn't brought wisdom with these two, still living in the past, Many Kaumātua have said patches are not korowai and to adopt the swastika and phrase Sieg Heil is disrespectful to the soldiers of the Māori battalion who went to war.
@@KINGSFORDLIFE it's called maori cultures fate, it was inevitable. . Native American warriors saying, leave the fallen where they fell, onward and upward. Live.
What's disrespectful was fighting a war and coming home to land being confiscated and not being able to get a pension for fighting now that's disrespectful our use of the swastika was a fuck you to the crown that's why we place a German ww2 helmet on a British bulldog and our surnames changed to loose our titles to land but hey what would I know I'm just a disrespectful gang member another statistic in the system
I’m Māori there’s nothing to be proud about a patch that’s not our identity we need to do better and show better for our kids and their kids and so on.I got family on both sides I moved away for a better life and I’m happy I made the move for my family.
Drive by shootings at homes were kids sleep, that little 2 year old who died on the couch because of a gang retaliation, her life stolen her parents and whanau shattered and for what over colours.
Screw these gangs, you aint tough, try being a single father working 60hrs a week to pay a mortgage and feed and clothe kids, try that for a week losers
Hey brother in all fairness you haven't even been to visit any, 'gang' and take a freshly made Rewana to offer very basic humanitarian courtesy. You can't offer any negative opinion until you have at least greeted them properly. ❤
@@Kiwi-LSA Oh ! You mean the man obeying the system obeying like a sheep from nine to five .. so a man is goes along with the companies is a man of decency... ? Be grateful the gangs keep us awake to the systems enslavement
Who introducedd Drugs in to newzealand alchohol, cars,cigaretts, wasnt Maoris but were all the Drunkards taking Drugs, Drunk Driving the very thing Introduced to Maori by Pakeha,.
A man at his age should have learned something by now about being your own man through overcoming the trials and tribulations of life not pushing a colour for a gang
Maori culture being tied with gangs is embarrassing, Maori culture should be about strong caring people, who don't need a patch or a gang because they are proud and confident within.
Way to drive a violent narrative RNZ. Maybe try to do something positive for Tangata Whenua. Do you know who are the biggest victims of gang violence? Māori, who are the biggest victims of gang deaths Māori. Māori are also the biggest group of theft and criminal activity. So it’s strange that you ignore the Māori victims but glorify the criminals?
Haha ancient tribal disputes are now Harley Davidson riding gang disputes. There is definitely a deep rooted instinct to be part of something bigger than themselves, whanua, Iwi, Hapu and brotherhood. Just the collateral damage that accompanies it is taking its toll on the Māori communities. Just like 200 years ago
taking their patches wont change anything, the problem is what they do, not what they are wearing, taking their uniforms will just make it harder to identify them
I find it threatening. It's signifying you have the potential for violence at anytime, are party to the drug trade, support organized crime and the worst types of abuse and trauma on the public.
It sends a clear message to gangsters, they are not wanted in society, and people don't want to see them on our streets, in our shops, or anywhere in public. Good Riddance!
Might make them feel a whole lot less supported when they can't tell who in a group is with or against them. Everyone gets tough when they think they're surrounded by support.
This will soon die off if all the gangs are staunch police have better things to do than enforce this pathetic rule the gangs will always be here its part of NZ culture like it or not, furthermore the patches actually help the police and public to identify individuals. Stick to your revenue pulling on the highways all your doing is setting new and inexperienced cops up to fail and leave the force and from what I hear they along with the Prison service are struggling to retain good staff. Food for thought 🤔
@@craigcharteris7026 remember the TV adverts song? Mobile, hair style.... with thin lizzy! could change the lyrics it so it goes... weight scale, plastic bags, bail papers, p.os contact card.... with thin lizzy!
The gangs will try to associate gang stuff with being Maori, the two are completely separate. Don't bring Te Ao Maori into your gang rubbish. Tihei Mauriora!
@@MikeJones-m6r Yeah walking in the hikoi is fine, protesting Maori business is fine, being Maori is fine, im saying don't connect your gang to Maori tikanga because they're not the same thing
The patch ban will do nothing to reduce crime or gang recruitment it's a joke. I'm more concerned with a government that thinks they can ignore the bill of rights when it doesn't suit them
Quite a history about the Maori - put the Inca's or the Aztecs to shame in degeneration. Outcast from the Cook Islands during the 13th century as weaker primitive Neolithic people by later waves of Polynesians (Maori were from the original wave of primitive Polynesians pushed right out across the Eastern Pacific by successive stronger more advanced groups arriving from the west). They were outcast on rafts and some floated to the North East Coast of NZ driven by the South Equatorial Current and were stranded for 500 years. The weaker were pushed down to the South Island or Chathams etc. So the South Island Maori (had their own language) were the weakest of the weak. They were captured and eaten as 'Slave flesh' by the northern Maori doing raids. (Well they all ate each other - 80% of Maori pre European were dark skinned easily fattened slaves farmed and eaten by a lighter skinned 'Ariki' thin wiry elite royal caste). So it was with some righteousness as well as British cunning that they armed the southern Maori who then with muskets launched a genocidal war on the north.. That plus measles & flu halved the Maori population and removed most of the elite. The British then liberated the slaves and outlawed cannibalism. The northern Maori fought with the British against the south bad west Maori 'rebels'. The Maori sued for peace and a treaty was signed that removed all sovereignty and made them subjects to the English crown where the English would protect them from each other. Land could only be sold to or via the Crown. Maori could live on their reservations with native custom but none did. The treaty of Waitangi is strikingly clear in that the Maori cede sovereignty completely and become citizens of Great Britain - all 3 clauses lock that in. Nothing in today's 'Maori' culture is authentic. The music - all European (Maoris did not have tonal music, the songs are missionary tunes or introduced - Poi dance is from Islands and Stick dance from old Malaya. The carvings and art - all European - Arabesques that was the fashion at the time. Original Maori had limited dash carving and no painting of objects. No written language - all the syntax & grammar plus vowel inflection is European. No technology - some lagoon canoes and wood or stone Neolithic tools. No food sources - like pigs or crops - they left that all behind, all they had was a weak inbred fox (now extinct), some rats and a weak dismal pacific yam. They ate out all the bird-life including 10 species of Moa and 46 other bird species, didn't know how to farm the sea as were island people and so they turned to societal cannibalism. Today - no full blood or half blood left. No genuine tradition and almost all are offspring of Maori slave females sold to white settlers for muskets or food. -So more fake than the 'Sioux' or 'Cherokee' or 'Crow' who had at least retained some genuineness about who they were and their history. -Everything you 'saw or experienced' is fake. A totally convected disneyfied tokenistic set of inventions fueled by a grievance culture of mixed-race imposters fetishing a false past bad history because it pays benefits. 'This Horrid Practice' - Professor Paul Moon, "A Savage Country" Professor Paul Moon 'Behind The Tattooed Face' - Heretaunga Pat Baker, 'Anthropology In The South Seas' - H D Skinner
It probably won’t but it might make it a little harder for the gangs to advertise themselves. It’s a start. Says to gangs you can’t do everything you like and get away with it.
@@UPTHEWAHSDAY1 no they haven't I have family in Australia all the gangs are still there they just don't wear patches in public. There is still gang crime and that includes plenty of drugs being sold
@@Punkagonistno it hasn't the gangs are still recruiting in Australia. As long as you have young people coming from the wrong side of the tracks you will have gang members. Government agencies have already warned the New Zealand government they can't arrest their way out of the gang issue
I don't think those people who were commenting on the street knew that it was being made illegal in private spaces and homes too. I'd say just ride it out till national and act are out of government. Then make a change back.
If the leaders of the gangs instructed the members not to commit crimes And just stand up for their cultural identity they would be no gang patch band The only reason it is happening is because there is a perception that gang member is cause more crime than anyone else Maybe as gang leaders you could change that from causing crime to embracing and promoting your own cultural identity and punishing members that commit crimes Cause that is detrimental To
Escalating because they aren't getting their way? What if the gangs stopped behaving badly and nobody kicked anyone's door in? Why isn't that an option?
Most dangerous thing they could have done. Imagine bumping into a gang on a walk and getting your head kick in all because you didn't know,I would have rather see a gang patch ,so I know not to interfere with them...
Its not the first ban on patches let alone heard promise after promise of a public ban for generations, unfortunately nz is now introduced and influenced with an by gangs that are more violent than nz has been use to seeing or hearing about an now its law polie are enforcing it.
Gangs never did me and my family any harm most are normal people that have children too its just how they've been brought up a few bad apples wreck it for the rest but surely they can restrain themselves from wearing their patch in places like supermarkets malls shopping centres hospitals health clinics it can be scary especially towards little children and old people.
It pisses me off when people say things like "the gangs have never did me any wrong", ohh so it's alright for them to harass, bully others as long it's not your family aye bro, untill it's your turn and then what..?? The fact of the matter is they're a criminal group and are heavily involved in the meth trade, they're not out here selling girl scout cookies.
@FReeMaN-gu7ho That's just my experience anyway I never once said it's ok to harm people I said ban the patches in public so your getting angry at the wrong person if your so passionate about it join the police force then but will you?,I doubt it try to act like your gonna enforce something 😆 nah nothing your all finger action and that's it are u actually out there trying to stop these gangs no your not so dont act like a big heavy coz u ain't
I forgot to mention their patch is done with numerals ( numbers ) I asked a young man what the numbers meant he had tattooed on his neck. His reply My patch
@@miriamasimmonds3878 They're already a step ahead of the law. Only in their own pea sized brains they are. When the cop already knows your a crim, they're one step ahead of you.
An IQ rating is not required to "earn" a patch, helping others out, empathy and community effort doesn't do it either. It is earned through a prospects willingness to hurt others through violence and illegal activities. Surely that alone means the patch has been "earned" through commission of crime and as such can be confiscated. All "right to wear what I want" and "this is my culture" arguments are BS. A true culture takes hundreds if not thousands of years to develop. True Maori culture is an amazing, community supporting, loving Taonga. To bastardize it and insert parts of it into gang beliefs is itself a crime I believe. I recommend anyone interested read the book True Red, by ex-Mongrel Mob Gang Leader Tuhoe 'Bruno' Isaac for greater insight as to how gangs operate and why banning patch wearing in public will help reduce the numbers and the harm they do in society.
nothing better to do by this coalition govtmnt......I prefer to visibly see n know that gangs are indentifiable by their patches than legally banning them...just saying gang patch and police uniform are battle gear one and the same thing..
A patch is NOT a korowai! Learn the tikanga behind korowai. A patch, regardless of what colours you represent, is not a whakapapa to tipuna/tupuna. If you believe otherwise, then you're putting your whanau through historic generational dysfunctions!
@@jerrybow8779 When you hear about gangs doing home invasions it involves people in the drug trade they're not just bursting into random people's homes. As for selling drugs no one is forcing people to buy drugs off gang members they choose to
These gangs do nothing good for anyone, and worst of all their poor children think it is cool to grow up and be a deadbeat gangster like their elders. Imagine if they traded the patch in for a graduation gown, now that would be the ultimate cool.
It's bullying going after patches. Go after the criminals and political corruption. If they wanted to go after the gangs they would not want it pushed underground.
If a gang patch is all you have to be proud of what have you done with your life? Imagine if you'd led a productive legal life with the same passion you led a gang life... Imagine how much nicer it would've felt to never be surrounded by gang stigma, never be profiled by cops for a piece of material you sewn onto your vest, and never have to be put in a position where your freedom could be taken away so one of your higher ups in the gangs can get away with what ever crimes they've committed. Gangs have been nothing but an eye sore to the NZ communities. All we see are crims and addicts who like to bully the weak and intimidate whoever they can. Imagine all that effort being put into cleaning up NZ, into actually doing a job that could make a difference in the community, making it a nicer safer place not just for you and your families, but everyone else's around you as well. I've had friends in damn near every gang in NZ and they all knew, patches stay outside at my home. And they respected it. The sad truth is there's a lot of good people involved with the gangs. A lot that don't know a better way forward, and some that have been pressured into it for what they can provide the gangs. Getting rid of the patches won't get rid of the gangs, that's a fact, but maybe just maybe, it'll show the gangs how much nicer the world can look when you're not throwing colors and hands. I'll add as well, I know not all gang members are bad people, nor do I judge them for being in a gang. Far as I've been told, they're much like me in the sense you respect me, I'll respect you.
Its not just funerals its prostitution kidnapping rapists murderers prospects on the run its not lawful korowai its a chaptor club a gang memorial of mostly familys that victimise other family thats not in the patch u depatch those unlawful and get a korowai education on law then u can say you earned the title of graduation korowai
Havent heard the specifics of "new laws" pertaining to gangs. The most contentious new law will be about preventing gang members congregating with each other. A very serious tilt at freedom and rights to assemble. Also entry powers into alleged gang domicles.
I personally think its against their human rights I don't find it intimidating or offensive when I use to see a patch in public I'd still say Kai Ora. I think in little places like Wairoa where there's a big Mob presence it's going cause more harm for kids in schools etc. My mum lives on a Red street and her neighbors are mobsters I may not like them but they respect my mum so we respect them. I think this is just another absolutely useless stupid F law in New Zealand from our useless Government trying to gain control of people. Even worse is how they are saying they can ban them from wearing their Merch in their own homes. What the Actual F is that law talk about invasion of privacy. What happened to freedom of choice it's not even real. I just hope it dosnt backfire in a fatal reaction on some innocent soul or some stupid power egoed cop. Crimes already out of control now in New Zealand this just adds another layer. Much love all have a blessed rest of your week
Nothing really good comes from gangs, specially the more organised MCs running organised crime in NZ. But when a government makes laws telling people what they can and can’t wear they are authoritarian and willing to take individual rights and not a friend of the people. Whats even worse is that they think they can extend those laws to include what people can wear in their own homes if they aren’t compliant enough, that should really worry people. Governments telling people what they can and can’t wear is appalling, when it includes what an individual can wear inside their own home it’s a complete invasion of privacy. Seems the crown owns everything including our home and our body . The crown and its government seem to be the most thuggish gang of them all.
Gang members are all involved in crime there should be no gangs allowed my son is in gang always told him do something with your live gang members have no respect for anyone so why are we defending gangs what is wrong with us people that we tolerate this
No doubt he thinks it is acceptable to rape and pillage like his forefathers. Elders accepting patches on marae are disrespectful of their tribal members.
Taking away the patches "Sets in motion a hatred, and a fear, that sort of thing" he says ... well that sounds a bit like the boot will be on the other foot now.
Again, I don't see the need to wear gang patches in public, but that shouldn't be the main focus or even be a priority. This will just start unnecessary violence and drama. I, myself, find police more dangerous as there have been an increase in police violence in the world. If anything, those dirt bikes out on the roads are far more dangerous🤦. But police do nothing about that. But instead, they wanna ban patches... Good work again, government🤦🤦
Being a Maori has got nothing to with being in a gang. The patch is not Maori it's English that insignia belongs to them. ???? Time to take take it off. Kia Ora.
Australia managed to get this done I lived in Sydney 6 years and hardly ever saw a gang patch . Be a lot more gang members in Sydney than New Zealand I’d say and it worked there. I guess the New Zealand government trying to follow Australia but police here are jokes compared to Australia
I grew up around that chapter. It was horrible and bad things happened to me and my girl cousins.
So sorry to hear that. Hope the people responsible where brought to justice.
@@petra2366 People never are till it's too late because of lack of evidence and people are scared to speak up I know I've been in situations
Taking patches won't change anything sadly towards that abuse
My good friend grew up in a gang family and him and his young cousins were preyed on by one of the uncles. They all turned a blind eye to it. Sick culture.
@@Bebedollie unfortunately minor parties and the likes sympathize with offenders not victims of Maori crimes.. - Shane Jones.
I get sick of these gangsters trying to mix up gang culture with Māori culture to try and legitimise wearing these patches. It’s nothing to do with Māori culture although unfortunately it’s ingrained in many communities.
It's all about excuses and avoiding any kind of reasonable behaviour or accountability.
Like how they pretend theyre all about sandwiches and whanau, yet news reports of inter-gang, intra-gang, and random violence and murders are everywhere.
Let's all pretend patches and behaviour aren't an issue and it's everyone else's fault.
I see aging hasn't brought wisdom with these two, still living in the past, Many Kaumātua have said patches are not korowai and to adopt the swastika and phrase Sieg Heil is disrespectful to the soldiers of the Māori battalion who went to war.
@@KINGSFORDLIFE it's called maori cultures fate, it was inevitable. . Native American warriors saying, leave the fallen where they fell, onward and upward. Live.
What's disrespectful was fighting a war and coming home to land being confiscated and not being able to get a pension for fighting now that's disrespectful our use of the swastika was a fuck you to the crown that's why we place a German ww2 helmet on a British bulldog and our surnames changed to loose our titles to land but hey what would I know I'm just a disrespectful gang member another statistic in the system
I’m Māori there’s nothing to be proud about a patch that’s not our identity we need to do better and show better for our kids and their kids and so on.I got family on both sides I moved away for a better life and I’m happy I made the move for my family.
Same here my friend
Kaupapa pono bro. Fruitfulness, or fruitlessness.
The government Criminals with their gang of police and army still discriminate against us and still harass and try to oppress Maori
yozaa ahahah
I'm worried with powers to bust into a home based on a potentially patch based assumptions will impact non gang members too:'(.
Our culture? That aint a korowai uncle
Drive by shootings at homes were kids sleep, that little 2 year old who died on the couch because of a gang retaliation, her life stolen her parents and whanau shattered and for what over colours.
What " Culture " do Mongrel Mob represent , as one of New Zealand's biggest amphetamine dealers .💀
Criminal culture.
The culture of intimidating old ladies down at the Four square
@@TheSunofGod-j1gaurahing , meth and 2 million govt funding to them to rehab it.. circle of life .- lion king . Walt Disney.
All the same products pharmaceutical companies push cannabis included now
Screw these gangs, you aint tough, try being a single father working 60hrs a week to pay a mortgage and feed and clothe kids, try that for a week losers
True stuff, as Robert De Niro said in the mafia film the Bronx Tale "The working man is the tough guy"
Well said
😂😂
Hey brother in all fairness you haven't even been to visit any, 'gang' and take a freshly made Rewana to offer very basic humanitarian courtesy. You can't offer any negative opinion until you have at least greeted them properly. ❤
@@Kiwi-LSA Oh !
You mean the man obeying the system obeying like a sheep from nine to five .. so a man is goes along with the companies is a man of decency... ?
Be grateful the gangs keep us awake to the systems enslavement
A violent criminal playing the victim card.
Catch us if you can
Yet pedophiles roam the streets with impunity
Just like politicians..
Who introducedd Drugs in to newzealand alchohol, cars,cigaretts, wasnt Maoris but were all the Drunkards taking Drugs, Drunk Driving the very thing Introduced to Maori by Pakeha,.
@@petakarini7567learn some self control! It’s only been 200 years
A man at his age should have learned something by now about being your own man through overcoming the trials and tribulations of life not pushing a colour for a gang
🏆AGREED!!!!
Agree but unfortunately he will cease to live that way and will never see light at the end. Old man that hasn’t grown up!
Gotta ask yaself Y are Maori joining gangs ??? Maybe that needs to be put forward in the house of corporations
@@Hup-cx5hpdrugs, sex, violence, gambling, etc. Its a lifestyle choice
@barbaraknowles2713 fraud by a fraudulent government
when did your culture become gang culture?
Fat Maori riding around with Leather vests to hide their man boobs. Copied american culture.
Culture is always changing and evolving
@@seansalter1679 Then it can evolve back
when they realised it was easier to smoke a joint than go to school
What do you think culture is? Its just a gang that grew really big.
Maori culture being tied with gangs is embarrassing, Maori culture should be about strong caring people, who don't need a patch or a gang because they are proud and confident within.
Way to drive a violent narrative RNZ. Maybe try to do something positive for Tangata Whenua. Do you know who are the biggest victims of gang violence? Māori, who are the biggest victims of gang deaths Māori. Māori are also the biggest group of theft and criminal activity. So it’s strange that you ignore the Māori victims but glorify the criminals?
Correct its been that way for 200+ years
Haha ancient tribal disputes are now Harley Davidson riding gang disputes. There is definitely a deep rooted instinct to be part of something bigger than themselves, whanua, Iwi, Hapu and brotherhood. Just the collateral damage that accompanies it is taking its toll on the Māori communities. Just like 200 years ago
@@PapamoaWest-r4qgreat speech
They're also the biggest perpetrators of those crimes.
Funny how you leave that out.
The IQ test came back negative.
If they are passports, I'd love to see him try to take that through an international airport lol
Idiot
It made it Australia & UK
RNZ gang sympathisers.
taking their patches wont change anything, the problem is what they do, not what they are wearing, taking their uniforms will just make it harder to identify them
No, they're easy to spot lol.
I know, I've lived among them my whole life.
imagine purposefully choosing a life of victimhood, must be exhausting
I find it threatening. It's signifying you have the potential for violence at anytime, are party to the drug trade, support organized crime and the worst types of abuse and trauma on the public.
Sounds like you need a testosterone boost
So you need the govt to choose your clothes and dress you?
I agree, the problem is though we won't know who they are anymore.
@@bengutsell grow some balls if you're not gang affiliated and just going about your business the gangs don't care about you
Youd find it threatening if your neighbours dog shits on your lAwn,...
Kaore,
a korowai is a korowai is not what our tupuna meant.
Gang insignia is not equal. Won’t miss it, not the end of the world.
Growing old is inevitable...
Growing up is optional.
REMOVING THE PATCH, WILL NOT CHANGE THE PERSON OR ANYTHING FOR THAT MATTER.
It sends a clear message to gangsters, they are not wanted in society, and people don't want to see them on our streets, in our shops, or anywhere in public. Good Riddance!
Nec minit fowl mask
Might make them feel a whole lot less supported when they can't tell who in a group is with or against them.
Everyone gets tough when they think they're surrounded by support.
@PKB239 maybe blessing in disguise for all NZ clubs , , 🤔
This will soon die off if all the gangs are staunch police have better things to do than enforce this pathetic rule the gangs will always be here its part of NZ culture like it or not, furthermore the patches actually help the police and public to identify individuals. Stick to your revenue pulling on the highways all your doing is setting new and inexperienced cops up to fail and leave the force and from what I hear they along with the Prison service are struggling to retain good staff.
Food for thought 🤔
@@moose5790 Not going to die down this time.
will they have to cover up the gang insignia tattoos with thin lizzy?
No they're not covered by the law
Apparently that works 😂
With Susan Paul products lol
@@craigcharteris7026 remember the TV adverts song? Mobile, hair style.... with thin lizzy! could change the lyrics it so it goes... weight scale, plastic bags, bail papers, p.os contact card.... with thin lizzy!
The gangs will try to associate gang stuff with being Maori, the two are completely separate. Don't bring Te Ao Maori into your gang rubbish. Tihei Mauriora!
Not trying. It's already been done.
Patched gang members were walking at the front of the hikoi.
@@MikeJones-m6r Yeah walking in the hikoi is fine, protesting Maori business is fine, being Maori is fine, im saying don't connect your gang to Maori tikanga because they're not the same thing
Korowai my ass lol it aint about your children or your grandchildren.😂😂
Labour n national know nothing of bill of rites hence the march
Wearing suits like the mafia would be more intimidating.
Not a fan of gangs.
I would rather they labeled themselves with patches than fly under the radar unnoticed.
Exactly, this is a stupid action by an authoritarian government.
You obviously don't live around gangs. Even without their patches they never "fly under the radar" lol.
The patch ban will do nothing to reduce crime or gang recruitment it's a joke.
I'm more concerned with a government that thinks they can ignore the bill of rights when it doesn't suit them
Tautoko
Unlawful is right..
@@zephheine9681fraudulent treaty policies 😊
Hard out....! And what are they doing under the clouds of our frustrations and confusion...?????
The bill or rights?
That's colonial thinking bro.
Bro needs to get a job 30 years ago,, and instead of sitting around all day ,,,clean the house 🎉🎉🎉
Fix the rot in the house!
Greens ...Labour and TPM will always put gangs before law abiding Kiwis. Build bigger jails...at least that protects the public.
No more gang patches
They will wear them on their faces and their arms and backs tattoos aren't banned
@@Stephen-bq4nq ☺COURT-ORDERED TATTOO REMOVALS 🥳
@@LampoonGoon the tattoos aren't illegal
Just because certain Maori claim the gangs are part of they're culture doesn't mean it is.
The recent hikoi had gang members as a center piece lol.
Quite a history about the Maori - put the Inca's or the Aztecs to shame in degeneration. Outcast from the Cook Islands during the 13th century as weaker primitive Neolithic people by later waves of Polynesians (Maori were from the original wave of primitive Polynesians pushed right out across the Eastern Pacific by successive stronger more advanced groups arriving from the west). They were outcast on rafts and some floated to the North East Coast of NZ driven by the South Equatorial Current and were stranded for 500 years. The weaker were pushed down to the South Island or Chathams etc. So the South Island Maori (had their own language) were the weakest of the weak. They were captured and eaten as 'Slave flesh' by the northern Maori doing raids. (Well they all ate each other - 80% of Maori pre European were dark skinned easily fattened slaves farmed and eaten by a lighter skinned 'Ariki' thin wiry elite royal caste). So it was with some righteousness as well as British cunning that they armed the southern Maori who then with muskets launched a genocidal war on the north.. That plus measles & flu halved the Maori population and removed most of the elite. The British then liberated the slaves and outlawed cannibalism. The northern Maori fought with the British against the south bad west Maori 'rebels'. The Maori sued for peace and a treaty was signed that removed all sovereignty and made them subjects to the English crown where the English would protect them from each other. Land could only be sold to or via the Crown. Maori could live on their reservations with native custom but none did. The treaty of Waitangi is strikingly clear in that the Maori cede sovereignty completely and become citizens of Great Britain - all 3 clauses lock that in. Nothing in today's 'Maori' culture is authentic. The music - all European (Maoris did not have tonal music, the songs are missionary tunes or introduced - Poi dance is from Islands and Stick dance from old Malaya. The carvings and art - all European - Arabesques that was the fashion at the time. Original Maori had limited dash carving and no painting of objects. No written language - all the syntax & grammar plus vowel inflection is European. No technology - some lagoon canoes and wood or stone Neolithic tools. No food sources - like pigs or crops - they left that all behind, all they had was a weak inbred fox (now extinct), some rats and a weak dismal pacific yam. They ate out all the bird-life including 10 species of Moa and 46 other bird species, didn't know how to farm the sea as were island people and so they turned to societal cannibalism. Today - no full blood or half blood left. No genuine tradition and almost all are offspring of Maori slave females sold to white settlers for muskets or food. -So more fake than the 'Sioux' or 'Cherokee' or 'Crow' who had at least retained some genuineness about who they were and their history. -Everything you 'saw or experienced' is fake. A totally convected disneyfied tokenistic set of inventions fueled by a grievance culture of mixed-race imposters fetishing a false past bad history because it pays benefits. 'This Horrid Practice' - Professor Paul Moon, "A Savage Country" Professor Paul Moon 'Behind The Tattooed Face' - Heretaunga Pat Baker, 'Anthropology In The South Seas' - H D Skinner
Where tf u get this nonsense piece of trash talk from there watson?
Stop flooding B S around I seen the same post on different sites during the March ...Full full of it bro
Far out. Jesus is that you? Thank God your white Jesus. These bloody Maareez , bloody ungrateful upity darkeez
Very interesting...will be looking into these titles.
@tracymichaelsen493
Now now... calm the farm miss tracy, that hate will eat away at you 😊
To be fair this is just teaching them how to be real gangster
Thats what I was saying. Turn into a under the radar mafia type.
Under the radar with all thatface scribble most have??
@@cumminsfj4586ha ha no face no case mate! Think for yourself
Nope, that takes too much work. They'll just find weak ways around it, like getting patches in Maori instead of English.
Just how is this going to reduce the crime rate? Gangs is still going 2 do what thy want patch or no patch.. 😂😂
It probably won’t but it might make it a little harder for the gangs to advertise themselves. It’s a start. Says to gangs you can’t do everything you like and get away with it.
Who are you... To come into the home.
Simple don’t break the law 😂
We need a special operations group like Australia's Raptors.
and police shouldn't need a warrant to search a Known gang members Person/Car or House.
@@Punkagonist the raptor squad hasn't got rid of the gangs and crime rates haven't reduced and neither has drug use
@@Stephen-bq4nq ah yeah they have.. Where you from?
@@UPTHEWAHSDAY1 no they haven't I have family in Australia all the gangs are still there they just don't wear patches in public.
There is still gang crime and that includes plenty of drugs being sold
@Stephen-bq4nq it's helped reduce young wanting to join the gangs, the point is to give our youth a future.
These old gangsters have no hope
@@Punkagonistno it hasn't the gangs are still recruiting in Australia.
As long as you have young people coming from the wrong side of the tracks you will have gang members.
Government agencies have already warned the New Zealand government they can't arrest their way out of the gang issue
Now you won't know if your in the middle of two rivalry gangs, but the members will Know.
And that's dangerous
I think I would know. It would be quite obvious to people who take notice of their surroundings.
You'll know lol.
@MikeJones-m6r Yip when your in the middle of a war 🤣🤣
@@Petersenior-mq8yo you sure about that, not all have distinguishing tats
A 70 year old man still in a street gang ffs what a role model 😂
I don't think those people who were commenting on the street knew that it was being made illegal in private spaces and homes too.
I'd say just ride it out till national and act are out of government. Then make a change back.
If the leaders of the gangs instructed the members not to commit crimes
And just stand up for their cultural identity they would be no gang patch band
The only reason it is happening is because there is a perception that gang member is cause more crime than anyone else
Maybe as gang leaders you could change that from causing crime to embracing and promoting your own cultural identity and punishing members that commit crimes
Cause that is detrimental To
It's a shame because innocent police will die throughout this campaign
Im māori, leave it at home & in the pads, not in public, as it draws attention to the opposing gangs, then the public get caught in the middle
What if gangs start kicking in police doors at there family homes , then what
😂 what a stupid comment go back to your fantasy gangland weirdo's
Well, they won't come across a huge stash of money, drugs, and weapons.
The police will then proceed to kick in the perpetrators door and put him in jail for a maximum sentence.
Escalating because they aren't getting their way?
What if the gangs stopped behaving badly and nobody kicked anyone's door in? Why isn't that an option?
It is not a korowai!
You are lucky its just the patch, and not gangs banned.
Sounds like easy way into your home and spaces. Always trying to find ways to invasion of privacy
you can not ban patches in there homes that's not right
SAD , NO MORE CLOWN CLOTHES , BOO HOO
@@keithmac7596 yeah and it's not going to change anything crime will continue and gang recruitment won't slow down
Just clown comments
Tough coward on keyboard
Govt and law have no place telling people what they can and cant wear in their own time.
Always playing the victim and denying the obvious truth. Grow up, take accountability and get a job. Not a good role model for your children aye
Most dangerous thing they could have done. Imagine bumping into a gang on a walk and getting your head kick in all because you didn't know,I would have rather see a gang patch ,so I know not to interfere with them...
But gang members aren't violent, a d certainly don't harm non gang members, so how could this ever possibly occur?
you only trained 77 coppas AHAHA WHAT A JOKE!!!
Its not the first ban on patches let alone heard promise after promise of a public ban for generations, unfortunately nz is now introduced and influenced with an by gangs that are more violent than nz has been use to seeing or hearing about
an now its law polie are enforcing it.
The usual Political parties welcome them with open arms.
The nz government is the biggest white collar gang haha
Yawn. Give your mums phone back.
@ you are my mummy
@@tommygunn662it’s past your bedtime buddy
Gangs never did me and my family any harm most are normal people that have children too its just how they've been brought up a few bad apples wreck it for the rest but surely they can restrain themselves from wearing their patch in places like supermarkets malls shopping centres hospitals health clinics it can be scary especially towards little children and old people.
It pisses me off when people say things like "the gangs have never did me any wrong", ohh so it's alright for them to harass, bully others as long it's not your family aye bro, untill it's your turn and then what..?? The fact of the matter is they're a criminal group and are heavily involved in the meth trade, they're not out here selling girl scout cookies.
@FReeMaN-gu7ho That's just my experience anyway I never once said it's ok to harm people I said ban the patches in public so your getting angry at the wrong person if your so passionate about it join the police force then but will you?,I doubt it try to act like your gonna enforce something 😆 nah nothing your all finger action and that's it are u actually out there trying to stop these gangs no your not so dont act like a big heavy coz u ain't
They wear the patch because it makes them feel like they are somebody - when really they are nobody
Definitely unable to remove a tattoo patch which some younger generation wear on there necks
They are already a step a head of the law 😅😅
Government will again copy Australia and ban anyone trying to enter Public venues with tatts of Gang patches/insignia/logos
I forgot to mention their patch is done with numerals ( numbers )
I asked a young man what the numbers meant he had tattooed on his neck.
His reply
My patch
Neck and facial tattoos that aren't tribal or indigenous make people stand out as potential criminals, so it's not that smart.
@@miriamasimmonds3878 They're already a step ahead of the law. Only in their own pea sized brains they are. When the cop already knows your a crim, they're one step ahead of you.
An IQ rating is not required to "earn" a patch, helping others out, empathy and community effort doesn't do it either. It is earned through a prospects willingness to hurt others through violence and illegal activities. Surely that alone means the patch has been "earned" through commission of crime and as such can be confiscated. All "right to wear what I want" and "this is my culture" arguments are BS. A true culture takes hundreds if not thousands of years to develop. True Maori culture is an amazing, community supporting, loving Taonga. To bastardize it and insert parts of it into gang beliefs is itself a crime I believe. I recommend anyone interested read the book True Red, by ex-Mongrel Mob Gang Leader Tuhoe 'Bruno' Isaac for greater insight as to how gangs operate and why banning patch wearing in public will help reduce the numbers and the harm they do in society.
Spot on
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nothing better to do by this coalition govtmnt......I prefer to visibly see n know that gangs are indentifiable by their patches than legally banning them...just saying gang patch and police uniform are battle gear one and the same thing..
Exactly
A patch is NOT a korowai! Learn the tikanga behind korowai. A patch, regardless of what colours you represent, is not a whakapapa to tipuna/tupuna. If you believe otherwise, then you're putting your whanau through historic generational dysfunctions!
Stf outta peoples homes
Members should stf out of the general public’s business then
@@jerrybow8779 Exactly, but alas you're dealing with violent low IQ thugs.
@@jerrybow8779the gangs don't care about the general public's business
@@Stephen-bq4nq so home invasions and drug dealing don’t count🤷🏽♂️
@@jerrybow8779 When you hear about gangs doing home invasions it involves people in the drug trade they're not just bursting into random people's homes.
As for selling drugs no one is forcing people to buy drugs off gang members they choose to
Banned in their own home for wearing it, This govt is over reaching with their sense of power forsure.
This is what a privileged and protected class looks like.
At least when they had a patch we could see which gang they are now we won't😂🤯
Whilst all these losers doing stuff and crime most just getting on either side life
These gangs do nothing good for anyone, and worst of all their poor children think it is cool to grow up and be a deadbeat gangster like their elders. Imagine if they traded the patch in for a graduation gown, now that would be the ultimate cool.
It's bullying going after patches. Go after the criminals and political corruption. If they wanted to go after the gangs they would not want it pushed underground.
All gang members are criminals.
They are banning them because it's intimidating? This just gives the patch even more powers to intimidate, because it's not aloud.
I’m Māori . I think this is a good law. Patches are intimidating and is not a korowai.
Ask the president of el salvadore..
It can be done easily
No sympathy for gangs.
A gang member without a patch is still a gang member - a wolf in sheep's clothing.
They're already not wearing patches when it suits them.
The only difference is that can't when it does now.
If a gang patch is all you have to be proud of what have you done with your life? Imagine if you'd led a productive legal life with the same passion you led a gang life... Imagine how much nicer it would've felt to never be surrounded by gang stigma, never be profiled by cops for a piece of material you sewn onto your vest, and never have to be put in a position where your freedom could be taken away so one of your higher ups in the gangs can get away with what ever crimes they've committed. Gangs have been nothing but an eye sore to the NZ communities. All we see are crims and addicts who like to bully the weak and intimidate whoever they can. Imagine all that effort being put into cleaning up NZ, into actually doing a job that could make a difference in the community, making it a nicer safer place not just for you and your families, but everyone else's around you as well. I've had friends in damn near every gang in NZ and they all knew, patches stay outside at my home. And they respected it. The sad truth is there's a lot of good people involved with the gangs. A lot that don't know a better way forward, and some that have been pressured into it for what they can provide the gangs. Getting rid of the patches won't get rid of the gangs, that's a fact, but maybe just maybe, it'll show the gangs how much nicer the world can look when you're not throwing colors and hands. I'll add as well, I know not all gang members are bad people, nor do I judge them for being in a gang. Far as I've been told, they're much like me in the sense you respect me, I'll respect you.
The sad part is that people think they need a patch to be somebody
How many good deeds or sandwiches do these poor victim blokes have to make to earn their patches?
First Tangi will be very telling.
Some of us are old enough to remember all this and the teenagers being right at their hands of this game long time coming
Its not just funerals its prostitution kidnapping rapists murderers prospects on the run its not lawful korowai its a chaptor club a gang memorial of mostly familys that victimise other family thats not in the patch u depatch those unlawful and get a korowai education on law then u can say you earned the title of graduation korowai
Havent heard the specifics of "new laws" pertaining to gangs.
The most contentious new law will be about preventing gang members congregating with each other. A very serious tilt at freedom and rights to assemble.
Also entry powers into alleged gang domicles.
I personally think its against their human rights I don't find it intimidating or offensive when I use to see a patch in public I'd still say Kai Ora.
I think in little places like Wairoa where there's a big Mob presence it's going cause more harm for kids in schools etc.
My mum lives on a Red street and her neighbors are mobsters I may not like them but they respect my mum so we respect them.
I think this is just another absolutely useless stupid F law in New Zealand from our useless Government trying to gain control of people.
Even worse is how they are saying they can ban them from wearing their Merch in their own homes.
What the Actual F is that law talk about invasion of privacy.
What happened to freedom of choice it's not even real.
I just hope it dosnt backfire in a fatal reaction on some innocent soul or some stupid power egoed cop.
Crimes already out of control now in New Zealand this just adds another layer.
Much love all have a blessed rest of your week
saddest part is; Majority of these Gangsters are māori land owners :L
Education is the KEY!
If the gangs want to get violent about it , then it's lucky they are wearing those round targets ?
Build a lot more jails , chase the money , how did they pay for what they own ?? No more slaps on the hand. If wearing a patch sentence doubles
Imagine being in the NZ police right now Yous need a pay rise for this
Nothing really good comes from gangs, specially the more organised MCs running organised crime in NZ. But when a government makes laws telling people what they can and can’t wear they are authoritarian and willing to take individual rights and not a friend of the people. Whats even worse is that they think they can extend those laws to include what people can wear in their own homes if they aren’t compliant enough, that should really worry people. Governments telling people what they can and can’t wear is appalling, when it includes what an individual can wear inside their own home it’s a complete invasion of privacy. Seems the crown owns everything including our home and our body . The crown and its government seem to be the most thuggish gang of them all.
Gang members are all involved in crime there should be no gangs allowed my son is in gang always told him do something with your live gang members have no respect for anyone so why are we defending gangs what is wrong with us people that we tolerate this
No doubt he thinks it is acceptable to rape and pillage like his forefathers. Elders accepting patches on marae are disrespectful of their tribal members.
Taking away the patches "Sets in motion a hatred, and a fear, that sort of thing" he says ... well that sounds a bit like the boot will be on the other foot now.
Stop government overreach
Again, I don't see the need to wear gang patches in public, but that shouldn't be the main focus or even be a priority. This will just start unnecessary violence and drama. I, myself, find police more dangerous as there have been an increase in police violence in the world.
If anything, those dirt bikes out on the roads are far more dangerous🤦. But police do nothing about that. But instead, they wanna ban patches...
Good work again, government🤦🤦
Jacinda gave them a $3 million donation, now Luxon takes away their patches, id be pissed with this government too 😂
Since when is criminality a part of Māori identity and culture? Why teach your tamariki and mokopuna to claim that as their heritage?
Being a Maori has got nothing to with being in a gang. The patch is not Maori it's English that insignia belongs to them. ???? Time to take take it off. Kia Ora.
Australia managed to get this done I lived in Sydney 6 years and hardly ever saw a gang patch . Be a lot more gang members in Sydney than New Zealand I’d say and it worked there. I guess the New Zealand government trying to follow Australia but police here are jokes compared to Australia
I saw these kind of people among the protesters this week, that's their culture unfortunately
Because these two are older, they are suckering the watcher into thinking that they are “harmless” nice folks
As usual a gang member being threatening. I’ve got no time for gangs. There is no good there.