BNC#6: Phil Craig Q&A - Cape Independence movement is gaining momentum
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2024
- In a Q&A session at BNC#6 in Hermanus, Alec Hogg and Phil Craig discussed the potential for Cape Independence within South Africa. Craig advocates for a referendum on the matter, emphasising the importance of democracy and self-determination. He addressed concerns about international support, potential economic impacts like the oil and gas discovery, and the necessity for negotiations. Craig also discusses the boundaries and viability of an independent Cape, acknowledging the complexity of the issue. Despite challenges, he remains optimistic about the growing support for Cape Independence.
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South Africa pulled itself out of a possible civil war and consistently tried to unite South Africans. This guy is doing the total opposite.
The fact that no one has liked you comment in 5 days, should the lack of clear thinking around this topic.
@@alastairaspara45543 months later, no one has liked your comment. What does that mean according to your logic then
Myself my whole family and most of my friend will be voting for the RP. The people who are against a referendum needs to ask themselves why they don't support democracy. We the people will decide our futur not the DA and definitely not a bunch of self-important business people. This is about our lives and future not your profit.
i live in JHB i dont agree with cape independence but people need a voice. We need more referendums in South Africa. The gov just does what it pleases. People need to have a voice as well.
@@lightningRatPack I agee but just one point it's not the ANC blocking the people's voice it's the DA.
@@stephstormcrow In this case, on this issue yes its the DA. but there are many cases and issues we could use the referendum for. Referendum should be a tool for large issues that effect everyone.
There are many ignorant people out there who have no idea about the Politics and History of the Cape Province referendum for what an Idea for a small minority of people that are worried about their Assets the DA are Master Politicians led by a true Master the idiology of an indipendant Cape Provence is ludicrous and very dangerous believe when I say despite Gayton and some splinter parties stabbing the DA in the back thee DA and the Multi Charter are going to get a strong vote come election day the whole country is behind the Multi Party Charter and finally ridding ourselves of the Rot of the ANC
DODGY GAYTON MCKENZIE DON'T SPEAK FOR ALL OF THE PEOPLE OF THE WESTERN CAPE INCLUDING THE COLOURED PEOPLE 👍👍👍
Thank you for your comments he has said that he intends to take a large portion of the coloured vote away that normally would vote for the DA and the DA are not going to get a majority vote in the Western Cape it is nice to know that the loyal coloured DA voters can see through his false intentions and Promises do away with Gangsterism and drugs in 1OO days please man 3:51 I do not trust Gayton at all he only seeks POWER for his own agenda and will definitely side with the ANC look what happened to Knysna and he thinks he can Govern the Western Cape hell no
The more I listen to Phill Craig te more I realise the true nature of the Referendum Party, this man is fighting for a future for his family, not his own benefit. He seeks to give a voice to the people of the Western Cape, this I can respect, as long as he is representing the people views, and not his own views, then I shall respect the Cape Independence movement🤷🏾♂️
Tt s his own.
Don't let anybody tell us it won't work....An Independent Western Cape will be bigger than 98 other countries in the world. Twice the size of Sri Lanka, thrice the size of Switzerland and more than 4 times the size of Lesotho. Let that sink in!!!
We are moving to Western Cape in numbers and we are building mkhukhus everywhere after 5 years Bantus will be more than whites, coloured and indians. And when we vote we will vote for black parties like MK , EFF and ANC. We will nake sure that by vote that we rule that province...yes. Zulus, Xhosas, Sothos lets growd that western cape sooner than later. Amandla
Go for it Demand A referendum.This is a basic constitutional right for voters to speak their preference.
Thanks Phil - wonderful forward looking man 🌿
The advantage of an Independent Cape is that the brain power can now go to the Cape if they do not get opportunities, rather than leaving the country altogether, and SA as a whole suffer due to capital and abilities lost.
Again i ask, why is a british born man trying to divide this country? After all the hardships of apartheid we again are allowing division to be at the forefront of SA politics. As an average citizen i just want a job, make decent money & live in peace, is that too much to ask?
@joedonner9476 go split it in Europe
@@joedonner9476 maybe you forgot where you are let me remind you this is Africa
I learned racism from you chief
Imagine u relocate to London as a foreigner when you get there u start calling for London independence😂
The government will just revoke your visa fast fast
Brilliant, a very well explained speech. It's is amusing to see how people from outside the W Cape always condemn Cape Independence, but as soon as they move here they are all for it.
Lol , true.
True - people from the failed ANC governed provinces are fleeing to the Western Cape.
Who are they?
There will be many who cry after it's too late... better to be independent, it gives choices. You could always later realign with neighbours 100% if you need to, or leave them behind if need be.
Dual citizenship holders fashioning themselves as spokespersons for real south africans.
Who will be eligible to vote in this referendum?
ALEX, FFS, ASK HIM THESE. I have asked these questions before. What currency are they going to us.? What share of the national debt are they taking with them? To pay for the national debt they will have to run a surplus, or issue Western Cape bonds. Who is going to buy the bonds unless the currency is backed by something tangible like gold? They can't use the Rand as then they won't be independent of the SARB. They can't use the dollar otherwise they will tie themselves to US interest rates with $34 Trillion debt. How will they borrow money to get the new country going? Who is going to fund state/government pensions and what currency will they be paid in?
Regarding the Debt, I would imagine that would be dealt with in the negotiations.
I believe your questions have been answered, Unfortunately I can't remember when.
Wouldn't issuing WC bonds to pay for their national debt be taking out debt to pay another debt? Does that make sense?
I also want to know if they have considered the impact on the business operations of WC headquartered companies with RSA wide revenue, say, PnP or Shoprite or Capitec or WC agri products sold nationally or other SME's in WC that have national RSA revenue. So are these companies to take on risks of currency translations, trade barriers, etc.?
@@MuzorewaRatshikuni Well according to Rob Hersov, money will be the least of our problems, as there are many very wealthy companies and individuals, who would be quick to move here. And why would there be a problem with the RSA revenue ? We would continue to use it initially, and then, if necessary develop our own. Something like Namibia.
@@nielwilliams4687
Niel, I won't bother to deliberate further with you because you have sub-contracted out your stinking thinking to Rob Hersov - that corrupt gangster!
You haven't even grasped the essence of my question. For example, you don't even understand the point I made about revenue. You are mixing that up with currency.
You also rely on "ifs" and "maybe" of rich people moving to WC. Broer, go get an education on how to make a cogent argument!
I want to try this in Britain.
The time is now.
So WP vs Boks😂 nooooo thank you
CIAG is doing exceptionally important work. Secession is one thing, but the big issue is really how much they are pushing the needle on the broader topic of power devolution. CIAG is basically doing what the DA has lacked courage to do: take the issue seriously
Exceptional job of dividing the people for stupid reasons.
Monomopata Kingdom and CAFREIRA are the reasons this will never ever happen, you can rule this land over our dead bodies, otherwise forget. Izwe lethu leli, lonke futhi!
I'm with you
I am all for cape independence as option B if we continue in a downward spiral after May with the ANC/EFF/MK at the helm. Especially as the constitution supports this.
But we have to remember that after May another 2 provinces definitely will be governed by opposition coalition parties namely KZN & Gauteng. This changes the playing field significantly for the 2026 local elections and 2029 national elections.
We must also remember that around 10 million people who can vote just have not been voting because of the cesspool that is South African politics. Most decent South Africans want to just get along with their lives and not participate in race & division politics. If those people decide to participate in elections again due to there being plenty of decent options around this time then there is no chance the ANC/EFF/MK will govern ever again provincially or nationally.
Whatever the outcome, I think we can all agree that the political system as a whole needs to be changed completely to give power back to the people and away from political parties, billionaires and corporations.
Transvaal independence; Cape independence, Orange Free State; Natal Independence.
We need refunds of resources taken from Transvaal to build other provinces there were no mineral wealth besides ones taken from the Transvaal to start South. Africa
@@joedonner9476luckily by-election results show that this is not what’s happening. They’re loosing ground. The majority of South Africans are not radicals. They’re just apathetic after years of abuse and lies by the apartheid government and now by their own ANC government. I’d give up hope and voting as well if I was one of them.
I don’t understand how this is going to heal a nation that nearly died under apartheid. This is apartheid.
I used to support them until I read their manifesto. These guys are proposing apartheid.
If people don’t like living in a diverse South Africa they must buy an island and make it what they like, not try to tear us apart AGAIN. So chilling to see such evil in this day and age.
They all need to leave our shores we don't need this
What’s Windes problem 🤷♀️ he and the DA should stand behind this
Agreed …Who cares what Winde wants . He has shown that he is not democratic by saying he does not want independence.
Of course ! Hmmm, if we get to rule South Africa, then it is fine as a single unitary state. But when “THEM” get to rule South Africa, then naah, we want our piece to be a separate country.
If “THEM” are destroying the country then it’s an obvious choice.
That woman who is so offended....I hope she lives in a Provence where the ANC are in charge !!! Catch a wake up lady !
Cape Independence, Our backs are against the wall. Vote Referendum Party! its time to cut our losses.
I respect Phil Craig. Good mind.
Please do not compare Phil’s outlook on theDA to GMcK ‘s outlook on the DA it’s chalk and cheese
The issue is really whether the provinsial laws and national constitution allow for a referendum like this, and will the members of parliament vote for such a referendum to actually take place...probably not.
yeah, but that will all not matter if enough people want it. Let's say 70% of people in Western Cape want this then they really have no choice. We ultimately hold the power, that's how governments are overthrown or forced to answer to their people. 70% is unlikely but theoretically it is possible. (PS I'm not sold on this movement yet and I'm in the Western Cape.)
There is also a growing movement for a Kingdom of KwaZulu.
@@joedonner9476 You are 100% correct, the DA is using the W Cape to prop up their numbers in the rest of the country. Winde is a disgrace, he is putting his own political ambitions before the will of the people of the W Cape. Do not vote DA, vote for a party that wants Cape Independence.
@@nielwilliams4687 that was always there. The only reason it never happened is because there's no leadership to coordinate it
Get a legal expert to explain how cape Independence can be legally possible. International law has no jurisdiction in RSA
Did you really just say international law has no jurisdiction in South Africa hahahaahahaha How do you think countries get sanctions and military action against them?
They want their Cape of Good Hope back. 😂
yes
I have a ask. Say the wet dream get's to a referendum just for starters. what stops Chinese, Nigerians and so on asking for referendum for their independent state?
Why can South Africa not deliver people like this? Why, when someone comes along with common sense, an uncomfortable and unPC but realistic solution, it is an expat? Sigh.
It shouldn't be historical 'baggage'. It should be historical experience. With all our experience with the bantu tribes, we believe this time it will be different. It's not inexcusable, it's stupid.
Probably the same guy that started with the Houtbay Independence idea
When is he leaving 😒😒
Majority of DA supporters are in Gauteng. It is not at DA interests to entertain outlandish ideas....
Most important question, who keeps the Springboks? 😂
Yes! Will it be WP vs Boks? Fck that
The Boks won't play WP. The WP wouldn't be a top tier nation.
@@MuzorewaRatshikuni Yeah, so then I'll move to the EC
@@balsak007
Stay in WC. We need rational people there who love SA, who love all the people of SA and not just the Western Capers.
Just as our country is making a turnaround, we have a Brit come to stir racial identity politics with his "swart gevaar" tactics.
America is buying the brand.
This guy needs to realise that the referendum needs to be a national referendum. The W Cape has only been a seperate province for 30 years. Prior to that the Cape province incorporated w cape e cape and n cape. Thats where the split should be, not just w cape
Cape Independence ... DA is not working for me 😢
Ah please man read my comments
Soo a London sponsered coup??
Cape Independence in Europe not here
Y is anc is even on the table
'Why is the government there'?what a stupid question.
I blame the ANC for people like Phil bloody Craig. Where the hell do you get a person who came to SA in 2004, open a party and trying to create another country within a country? South Africa is a joke. Foreign nationals can't be allowed that privilege.
Do you think as a South African you can go to any country to open a political party...The british are very dangerous indeed...Shaka saw their deceit
Please speak to UCS about aeaaion for cape independence..
They are controlled opposition!!!
I've said it before, why no more screen time for Hein Marx & Elroy Barron?
Absolute nonsense. It will NEVER happen
i am also voting RP
The two guys sitting there have no interest of south africa at heart, theyre british. Im amazed that Afrikaners are allowing British to speak for them.
Why not.. their heart is in the right place..and they have common sense and are intelligent... speak on...
Me too…and why is that I ask ?
Evil nation ever
Momentum... where???? When?????
Who is going to pay for all the grants?
From a failed BrExit to a failed CapExit. Go back home and revive BrExit. Do not start another failure here.
I couldn't agree with you more!
So we go with a failed communist state if the ANC/EFF/MK are in power ?
@@nielwilliams4687you want WP vs Boks? Jys mal man
@@balsak007 LOL.
How about a referendum for federalism ? If that fails then let’s go for independence. We desperately need to devolve state power more than independence.
Perhaps independence is a good strategy then. You go balls to the wall, and then even a compromised outcome is a massive win. There's nothing between unitary and federal.
No the DA dropped the ball on federalism and it is actually much harder to get than independence. We should stop trying to make this toxic relationship work it failed let's move on
This is one huge pipe dream,you really think the anc would allow it?
South Africans won't allow, forget the ANC. A British guy nogal!! He desperately needs to go back home. The nerve to say he'll negotiate a profit sharing of South African resources.
@@londanintshangase the bloody absolute nerve
Nevermind the ANC . Us Coloureds will not allow this White homeland agenda to happen
English Afrikaners. Interesting.
Wa nyela
He doesn't believe in one south Africa because he isn't born in our land . Why are we even giving this British guy a say on how our country should be . This is ridiculous.
Ghandi wasn't born here either and yet his political tenets are often drawn upon still to this day, especially by the more idealistic liberals among us. I don't think it's important where anyone comes from - If they have a reasonable idea that is supported by both rational argument and empirical data, then they deserve to be heard.
You are missing the point. Don`t shoot the messenger, the message is crucial and extremely urgent to be acted upon !
@@oodlesofnoodles4660 Try that in Europe being African and let me know how it goes
yeah but I wouldn't really mind to have that decision cause ultimately he can do nothing unless we decide it happens
@@oodlesofnoodles4660
You talk a lot but know so little. Off course it's important were people come from - firstly, Phil himself acknowledged this when he was asked the question by the lady with brown hair who said it was offensive to her that a UK citizen should come with divisive politics in SA. Go and relisten to that segment and you'll hear Phil acknowledge this.
Also take, for example, legibility for being a President of a country depending on whether you are born a citizen of that country or not. This shows that where.you are born is important.
Phil was not born in SA. His paternal and maternal ancestry is not deeply rooted in SA as perhaps yours is. So, it's far less emotional and sentimental for him to break SA apart, he doesn't feel it as much as someone whose paternal and maternal ancestry is deeply rooted here.
This guy has no interest for South Africa, he has his own agenda. If he is not happy with South Africa, why can't he just leave????
Why are people from the failed ANC governed provinces fleeing to the Western Cape....?
Who of the 60 odd million people in south Africa is going to receive a stipend of the OIL and GAS ? . For 30years The ANC had no vision.GOD,S word where there's no vision people perish . The late Colonel Gaddafi gave all Libyans a stipend from the oil every year.
I love that first question! Very devious agenda
This guys has only been in south africa for 20 years? The level of entitlement
this guy is crazy 😄
UK is suffering from Brexit and I won’t wish that on SA. This guy is a right wing extremist and SA will suffer if they take this British guy’s divisive policies.
Thank goodness for the FMF and Khama Lam.
Winde doesnt have the power even if he did internaional wont recogñise it because you havent done the legal paperwork. The one that has the paperwork is the Zucs😊
Too nice !!!!!😅😅
Just go back to the UK !!
This man...although he says he loves SA...is a typical Brit....the arrogance is laughable.
Don't be so blind. We want Cape Independence, we do not want to be part of a failed communist dictatorship like Zimbabwe or Venezuela.
You have British ancestry yourself.
This is what they call "playing with fire"
Free the Cape. Cape Independence is a must or we are all doomed.
58% we still waiting for the proof on how u got that when ppl from townships didn't even vote
And most white people as well....not one of my family or friends have taken this man seriously.
@@edithmiller3114 agreed as a coloured I don't know 1 person that talks about this.
@@edithmiller3114 😂😂😂👍🏽
Yes, and also. What will happen to the Springboks? WP vs Boks😂😂😂😂😂
@@balsak007 🤣🤣Ill drive over the border to support SA
Any referendum must come with the option to dissolve provinces. We cannot have one option on the referendum. It will be unjust
Why is the government not the one going to market the oil and gas??
So what if a referendum says people want independence.
That result comes with no power.
What can you do with a referendum?
@@joedonner9476
Palestine isn't even recognised by the international community as a sovereign state.
And as I said on all the previous posts about it.
Who will pay to set this new sovereign country up.
Brexit was a 4 year massively costly divorce settlement. All the parties were first sovereign states already.
You need to create your own SARS during the divorce. As well as reserve bank. That interfaces with all the South African banks.
Someone needs to fund it. As long the divorce isn't finalised citizens will still need to pay tax to SA through SARS.
And that is just the cost of how to get money from citizens.
What about the cost to set everything else up?
And pay SA for everything that they own which will be acquired. You don't think it will be free do you?
@@joedonner9476
Yeah but nobody is talking about how complicated and expensive it would be.
It's being oversimplified into a referendum. A referendum is the easy part. Getting a divorce is immensely expensive and complicated.
And this dude never talks about that. And that is disingenuous.
I can't believe people are really sold. Theory of stupidity is real.
Still unclear to many residents from the Western cape cause then funds will be there to fix the Southern suburbs up to the west coas and far east just beter version then NCC/PA.
The DA will have harmony.
Give him 100 thuosanda votes
This thing is not gonna fly look at Somalia and Somaliland. Somaliland has managed itself pretty well and everyone who’s got eyes and a brain can see but it wooly be recognized by the continent and the world because it will trigger secessionist movements all over Africa
Dream in - never happening!!
Hold my beer . We are going to show you something special.
Never ever ever
He inow his facts cuase his more intelegent tan south africans he is from europe briliant mind we south africans are voken dom poeple
Why does the anti-DA leaders get so much exposure
Prepare for war😂
Deport, deport, deport
He's a South African citizen clown shoes
Bit late. We stopped doing that to SA citizens after apartheid ended.
YES, ALL THE INVADERS FROM THE NORTH ESPECIALLY THE RACIST BANTUS!👍👍😑😑
you need to return to your homeland DRC
Why are people from the failed ANC governed provinces fleeing to the Western Cape....?
People like this are dangerous for this country. They come here when the are peachy and when we experience problems they choose option not favorable to the country. Wow. Opportunistic....
😂 try voting for Mckenzie to see dangerous people 😂 or Malema or Zuma's Umkondo... you have a big choice ... or look at those who build something of value for society.... 🤔
@@halinaleonowicz8038 I take it you think also that the ANC is not a danger to this country. What has the ANC built over their total perid of being in power? What have they not broken? So now you have some people trying to breakaway in a DEMOCRATIC way to try and built something for all. Problem? Where is the danger?
@antonsmith5899 I cannot see how you come with this conclusion of what I think. Can you think logic?
Go vote in GP
GAYTON GAYTON LOL where's your morals voting for a ex criminal
Your tail is growing faster not in our country
Since he is now South Africaan, did he lose he British citizenship?
What relevance is that? Really?
@@antonsmith5899He should go back to that Muslim country
Aye! this 30% ter.
U r mad not in our country
This guy talks about 400 years😂😂😂.... The khoisan have been here 1000,years
He specifically referred to Afrkaners so is historically correct. But come to think of it, what did the Khoisan build in their many centuries here? Cities? Road networks? Rail? Industry?
@@oodlesofnoodles4660 to build something you need to destroy another thing you fool...
And the Khoisan didn't destroy an entire culture to exist... You should learn from them.
@@oodlesofnoodles4660to build something you need to destroy another thing .
The Khoisan Never destroyed any culture to exist
Correction, over 2000 years
@@Mytightis2tight that supports my statement 2 folds😂
Allen has a back bone. Thats why. UK mindset wont work here in South Africa...
Allen's first priority is to ask the People of the Western Cape what do they want.He seriously lacks the courage to that so where is the back bone? The democratic will of people comes first.
@@kennyappany3805You will be shocked at the answers. So do you want to play against the Springboks, jys mal man. This guy must just leave and sommer you too. Humba
@@kennyappany3805
You are being dishonest. The Western Cape secessionists are the ones who are being undemocratic. Let me explain:
Their hripe is that they've never voted for the party that has been winning the national government elections. So, in thier logic, if you lose free and fair democratic elections, then you must throw your toy out of the cot and scream that you want to get out (secession).
But in democracy there are elections winners and elections losers so to speak. So Cape independence is really people that can't abide by the outcomes of democratic process of free and fair elections. The better option would have been to pit together a better elections proposal to beat the national government incumbents (which is what the MPC) is trying to do.
Divisive talk😢
Britain voted for Brexit. They are still stuck in negotiations. Imagine negotiating for a new country.
This guy is happy to collect donations to pay for his golf subscription
South African history is 140 years old? 🤔
It’s 114 to be exact. It’s from 1910
That's how little he belittles black people. The only history he recognises is the white history.
@@Noka227 the secession party is a catalyst of EFF/MK growth
This foreign must go bac Europe
So ironic that those who coined the idea of "Cape Independence" and called for a referendum would not have done so (even imagined the idea) if the WC was not well-governed.... to then want to turn your back on the same party responsible for this - the DA - is simply mindboggling and difficult to understand... some would say hypocritical.
Always an offended Karen somewhere in a crowd
ANC/MK/EFF coalition won’t matter if we achieve provincial federalism.
This is why the independence topic is important. Will it happen? Unlikely, but, it does move the needle more towards federalism. That's a massive win, as you say
go work on Scottish succession Craig
Capes Independence will lead to war. He’s using the same argument as Scottish Nationalists. If he doesn’t like the majority leading South Africa why doesn’t he just go back to the UK. I bet he has a uk passport so after creating chaos in SA with his so called Cape Independence, he’ll just escape back to his home country and live a comfortable life while South Africans suffer.
well be better off been independent from all your uncles
@@delialubke6610 Sorry, I am not South African and have no uncles there. BTW, I am British but feel that democracy and majoritarian rule must be respected. You cannot always break up a country when you do not like the person voted in by other citizens. The Black majority will never agree to Cape Independence so if you don't like black majority rule in SA, you can leave the country and go to Australia or Europe where other Apartheid lovers who didn't like black rule escaped to.
@@paul_AMI 💯% behind the black majority....NOOIT
@@paul_AM But isn't Australia a settler country? British people ran away from the UK then stole land in Australia. What should happen is White Australians should return back home to the UK
Very frustrated this guy
Mitchell's Plain staan agter jou, ons wil vry wees
Never
So WP vs Boks??? Fck that
Don’t forget we have all the colored players so the Bonke may loose 😂😂😂😂😂
@@allanbudge1171 🤣
😮😮😮😮😮😮😮 exactly
@@allanbudge1171coloureds players are not idiots
Ons het geen keuse meer nie, die Kaap moet afstig voordat ons kans verby is !
But you are from the north, why would you be a citizen of the cape now?
You can do it in Europe
Who is “ons” 😂? This country belongs to ALL groups in South Africa, no special groups here, we are equal - no “ons” is getting a special piece of the country. Ons bly saam, deal with it 🤣🤣🤣.
This is not Animal Farm
@@lulamaq1362 Met "ons" word bedoel alle inwoners vd Wes-Kaap (alle kleure). It`s not about singling one group out (as is the case in SA at the moment), it`s about getting the province seperate from the deteriorating part (rest of SA). Race should not matter, all equal.
@@wouterkabouter102 ek stem oor kleur, maar ek het ‘n probleem… ek is Xhosa en so is swart… i donated to this group for over two years but I stopped when I felt like they would deport me because I’m not Afrikaans or swaart… Am I missing something important here?
I believed in EVERYTHING until the manifesto made me believe that “even if I have the same values, I will never be equal because I’m not white or Afrikaans”.
This guy is talking shit
The only reason the Western Cape is better is because of the DA, these guys are fighting the very reason they wre better governed!
Wait until Gayton is the president 😂
Gayton hell no Power in the wrong hands spells disaster
@@user-md4op6ko3y exactly
There’s no need for cape independence
delusional