I don't think anyone hates Garp, but similarly no one is defending Garp as a good parent, at the end of the day his parenting is what lead to him living with regrets, having to see his grandsons become pirates, and living stranded from his Son who became the most wanted man in the world
@@Doomroar well neither was Roger Neither was dragon No strong person in one piece is a great parent Garp did his best and he is pissed with koby situation cause BB was the reason Ace was caught ....he is going to bury that island
@@ibrahimsurti4922 Its interesting how Oda makes it so that these characters are not great parents to their biological kids, but they seem to be pretty decent with their adopted children.
Morj is so good at being engaging when explaining literary devices such as themes and characters. This video reminded me of why I am subscribed to this channel.
I really wonder how Luffy feels about Garp. Their last interaction was the punch at Marineford, which was immediately followed by the death of Luffy's brother at the hands of the Marines-with Garp present. In the 10+ years since Marineford we haven't had even a panel of Luffy thinking about or mentioning Garp. We genuinely do not know how Luffy feels about Garp or his dilemma. It'd be interesting to see how he feels about him and how they will interact if they ever see each other again
I think Luffy still loves Garp all the same. He and Garp have a lot in common even their values about freedom. Garp despite not liking Luffy being a pirate fundamentally respects his choice and lets him live his life, consequences and all. Luffy's the same but it still hurts to be on opposite sides unless it's in private. He and Ace long ago acknowledged they'd have to fight Garp to keep their dreams (not to such tragedy but it was still their choices that lead to that outcome.)
Garp is honestly, that one pillar of the marines that still can give bright eyed impressionable youths (like Koby) that idealistic "Hero" dream that inspired them to join the Marines in the first place without having the concept be completely swallowed by the WG's corruption.
When he sits next to his adopted grandson who is about to be executed for being born to the wrong person, he cries like a bitch and says "What am I supposed to do" Nigga free him Beat up Sengoku and free Ace Even if your hands are "tied" look for Luffy and Dragon and ask them for help They aren't as strong as him, but when they saw stuff was messed up, they did something about it
Oda actually portrays the generational gap between the Monkey D. family so well. Garp being the conservative grandad who even though possesses some black & white world views he still has a good heart, Dragon who, whilst being a revolutionary, approaches it in a very methodical fashion and only hates the celestial dragons and not the kings who stand below them and then lastly Luffy being Gen Z doing whatever the hell he wants.
The picture of Garp doesn’t only indicate his personality mirrors Luffy; young Garp carrying the rod as a child while on a tiger also suggests his upbringing was similar to that of Luffy’s too. We know Luffy, Ace, and Sabo used to all carry a similar rod to the one Garp has on their adventures, and part of Luffy’s trials as a child was the struggle to survive and overcome the wilderness.
OMG I always knew that Garp was kinda similar to Luffy in his youth but it made me think of the possibility that he might had "brothers" just like Luffy.
This is beautiful. The scene of Garp sobbing on the execution platform made me almost tear up, because this is the moment we see his emotional struggle fully. An excellent, beautiful video
I really love how both Garp and Luffy both dislike the title of “hero” Luffy dislikes it because he doesn’t want the responsibility, and Garp dislikes it because he doesn’t feel like he deserves the responsibility. It’s such a good parallel.
Another thing that a lot of readers don't realize is what Garp himself means to the people of the One Piece world. He is THE hero. He is straight up the All Might of their world. Even disregarding the outcome of the war, just people seeing Garp turn traitor would have a tremendous negative effect.
One thing people often overlook is that Garp is friends with and mentored countless marines over the span of decades, the marines at Marineford were his nakama, so while Ace was family, Ace's nakama were attacking his, which only added to his inner turmoil. I think a lot of people shift the blame on Garp, but Ace's stubborness lead to his demise, because he underestimated Blackbeard.
I swear this take makes it even sadder. It’s like watching your family tear each other apart for their differences and issues and you have to side with one group within the family but you love them all.
I’m really glad this video came out bc some ppl really give Garp a lot of crap for not helping Ace but they honestly fail to understand Dude had his important responsibilities as a officer of true Peace and justice and If the public saw him as helping a pirate, then the citizens wouldn’t know who to turn to when it came to crime and bloodthirsty pirates
It was more than that, Garp Could have Risked exposing the Secret Revolutionary group by saving Ace but Koby is a Marine so Garp is backed by the WG to go all out to get Koby
I think the reason Garp let Ace be saved was specifically cause it was his grandson trying to save him. Had someone else like whitebeard or Marco been the one to make it there, he would have not let himself get punched. He was probably thinking how could he stop luffy when he is putting his whole life into saving his brother. Also that scene with Garp and dadan still gets me every time I watch it. 😢
I think what it really came down to is no matter what he’ll never be able to bring himself to hit his grandson full force, he’d likely rather die than hurt luffy
As a Japanese reader, I'm kinda shocked to know that there were people in the world that hated Garp for not saving Ace. like, are they even reading the story? If you're really reading the story, I'm pretty sure it was clear why he couldn't save Ace, since Oda literally drew the whole struggle that he had. These complex scenes make the character more interesting and is what made me love him.
I read the manga and it was clear that garp wanted to save ace but I don’t think it was made clear why he didn’t apart from he wanted to stay in the navy
A lot of western readers don’t perceive the idea of “duty” in the way of context and nuance. Also, media literacy is US specifically is severely lacking on the account of unnecessary censorship in general culture.
The problem with Garp is that many readers are quite simply too young to understand his perspective. Which is not a diss, his dilemmas are things adults encounter in later life. For example, you can't just tell a father or mother who is working a low paid job to quit it and open a business. They have a responsibility for their families. So, they need to make difficult decisions which upon a superficial glance seem stupid. Naturally most teens and young adults won't be able to relate to such a perspective. Garp is one of the parental figures of the show and those in my opinion are notoriously misunderstood. In fact, here's a hot take: The reason so many people love Whitebeard is because we all can relate to having (or at worst wanting) a good loving father. Extremely few people talk about his perspective of wanting to be the parent, growing your own family, etc. It's always the perspective of wanting to have a parent like him. The one and only person I ever saw relating to his role as a parent was Merphy Napier who sees herself as a similar sort of mother figure for her friends (according to herself). At least among the typical well known One Piece youtubers.
This is why One Piece isn't technically just for Young Men (Shonen) it's for all ages. There's always more to learn within One Piece and as one grows up and has a family, they can look back at this story and find more things to understand
I think you also forgot to mention that Merphy herself was in the process of adopting a child when she read about Whitebeard, so it cuts even deeper for her. Whitebeard is not only a character, but an ideal of what Merphy herself wants to be for her adoptive child.
@@Abdullah-uh4eu Yes, that's absolutely true. And that just further proves my point because obviously, what teen or young adult can relate to wanting to adopt a child or having adopted children? Naturally for someone in that position, the character Whitebeard is gonna be way different. I can't imagine how deep that must cut, reading about WB while being in the midst of the process yourself.
Garp is one of the best written characters in the series. It’s a shame that many ignore his moral dilemma in marineford or straight up blame him for Ace’s death.
Especially when every flashback and scene during Marineford almost beats your head with how painful it all was for him or subtly shows how much Garp was holding back to let Ace be rescued.
Just because he had a moral dilemma doesn’t make him the best written character bro lol. Garp has been in less than 30 chapters of the almost 1100 chapter series. It’s impossible for him to be the best written character when there are dozens with much more exposition and fleshing out. I love Garp, I just think that take is beyond a stretch considering characters like Sanji are much more fleshed out and better written in my opinion. Buggy has more screen time, exposition, and understanding than Garp has had in the series. Let that sink in.
I honestly think if Ace would have broke down and just asked his Grandpa to help him, then Garp would have in a heartbeat, regardless of the consequences. He did care greatly for his family, and the decision weighed on him so heavily that I think it wouldn’t have taken much to tip him in that direction.
Not sure how much it plays into it. But it's worth noting that in the Uta backstory, Luffy was seen to be very much against pirates before meeting Shanks.
@@DANCERcow the fruit doesn't come before Luffy's dream to be a pirate, tho? Luffy got close to Shanks and when he saw just how idealistic and free being a pirate is, Luffy started to borne the Idea of following Shanks' lead and begging Shanks to bring him to the sea, even as much threatening Shanks with a knife to his own face. It was in his irk and frustration that Shanks won't take him seriously that Luffy spotted the box containing Gomu-Gomu no Mi and unwittingly ate it.
The recent chapter shows me that Marco got of lightly with the punch Garp gave him at Marineford. If he wanted to Garp probably could have sent him to skypia
Given that haki is literally tied to a person's ambition/strength of will, Garp was definitely weakened during Marineford. I doubt he was intentionally holding back against Marco, he just couldn't muster the willpower to genuinely oppose Ace's rescue.
I'm here to disagree. From what i understand, the galaxy fist we saw in the latest chapters was not defended against. No one was strong enough to stop him there. With Marco, he was punching a yonko commander who most likely knows how to defend himself with haki as well. Remember, armament can be used to attack and defend yourself
damn! this is what u called understanding the story not those people who just reacts to good animation w/o even understanding it story is very extremely vital to a movie/series its the one carries the whole thing. this channel never fails to amaze me. Of all OP channels out there this one is the best.
I was never mad at garp for marineford. Ace made his own choices. And oda did a great job of showing garp struggle to the point he break down in tears questioning what he should do. I wasn't mad at garp. He let Luffy get past him. If he put duty before family. Luffy would be dead plus if garp decided to go rouge..what would have happened is sengoku was prepared to fight him. Sengoku not to be underestimated..we don't know if it would have change anything and ace choose to die on his own terms protecting Luffy and defending whitebeard name by taking akainu bait. None of it was garp fault. I never blamed garp and love him as a character. I do however understand why dadan beat his ass lol. That was a mom losing her child. And garp took that cause he was heartbroken. Only one that felt worse about ace death was probably Luffy. It was made so clear how garp love ace .he saw him as family. I don't think ace would blame garp either. He live by his own terms
Garp is one of those characters I've been fascinated to learn more about. His goofy antics are great but you can tell there's a ton of history, given his relation to Roger, Xebec and the World Government at large. For example, a part of me theorizes that the reason why Garp was so hard on Luffy and Ace was because Dragon was a former Marine, and him leaving and forming the Revolutionary Army made him want the two to stay in the Marines as a means to prevent them from suffering. Though, you could make the argument that Ace and Luffy's lineages would always haunt them. All in all, my theorizing aside, I look forward to learn more about the Hero of the Marines.
@@rishabhanand4973 if dragon was a marine, he'd be destined to be so famous that no marines would forget his identity because: 1. His dad is top marine hero 2. Him being a Monkey D. bloodlines would enables him to be strong, outstanding & remembered by others. It would be impossible for Marine to erase his identity that even Smoker didn't know the relationship between Luffy & Dragon at the Logue Town. It would be impossible for Dragon to hide his identity that even Ivankov couldn't connect the dot & has to be told by Luffy
People miss that Garp didnt fail with raising Luffy and Ace to do good. He himself thinks he failed because he wanted them to become good marines but they did indeed inherit his sense of justice and that being good and helping others is whats important. Luffy just wanted to be free while doing so and he also wanted everyone else to be free and be able to eat as much as they like
Garp spent his whole life trying to stop Ace from being a pirate. He knew where it would get him. He knew who Ace was. He knew what he’d have to do if Ace didn’t listen, that’s why he pushed so hard. Ace made his choice. He was a pirate. If Garp saved Ace without him asking, he’d be disrespecting Ace as both a man and a pirate.
True. Garp, Luffy and Ace seem to have a very strong opinion about the choice of becoming a pirate. However, when push comes to shove, they will throw that out of the window. We see Luffy trying to save Ace, we see Ace dying for Luffy, we Garp letting Luffy pass through, we see Garp ready to destroy Akainu. They respect each other's decisions but actually love them more.
And tbh he's probably gonna end up like Jiraiya, Yamamoto and Netero. Dead, since its a common theme in Shounen manga. Garp will most likely be used to start a real conflict between Luffy and Blackbeard so he'll be captured or killed
@@panafricanismisascam5201 i think it's much more symbolic. A defeated Garp means the end of the Hero image that can defeat all pirates, easily cementing Blackbeard as the most threatening pirate out there
Garp’s ultimatum of having to choose between Garp: the Hero of the Marines and Garp: the Grandfather of Ace and Luffy is probably what made Luffy so against the idea of being seen as a “hero” by the people he helps. Luffy had to watch helplessly as one of the only other people who loved Ace as much as he did was made to help put him to death. Garp was forced to choose between his responsibility as the Hero and his love for Ace, and in the end he wound up not being able to fight on either side because of this gridlock.
Luffy isn’t a hero because Morj is misunderstanding the context of One Piece which if anything Luffy is either an anti-hero, an outlaw hero, or a vigilante, but he isn’t a hero like Batman or Superman, and the scene he showed in Wano is Luffy following the laws of equivalent exchange more fundamentally than the Elric brothers in FMA/FMA Brotherhood.
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr I’m talking about the “I don’t want to be a hero” quote from fishman island though. That explicit characterization is unusual for an antihero, and seems like it’s a result of his experience at Marineford
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr Batman is an outlaw hero lol. Like, the morality and viability of vigilante justice in Gotham is a huge point of many of Batman's stories. Dawg what?
One Piece outsold every Batman comic in existence, and Luffy has been more of a consistent character than the likes of Batman, Naruto, Asta, Natsu, and Ichigo himself@@skeletonwar4445.
Beautifully put and quite concise. I agree with all of this and I’m often annoyed that people still take One Piece at face value as a checklist of your typical shonen tropes. Oda goes very deep with his pen. He’s writing a fictional masterpiece of HUMAN expression, and it makes for all of the beautiful nuance and emotions that he allows for us to feel through his story.
Reason why Garp didn't save Ace because he isn't only a Marine officer but he is the face of Marine, he is The Hero He is Superman of One Piece world In Op world 95% of people don't know that WB and Ace are good person, they're Pirates and 99% of Pirates are evil
@Bud Lightyear That's one of the things I liked about Marineford the moral dilemma Garp had to face with Ace. It's a case where Garp could not punch his way out. In a way, you could make the argument it was inevitable, fated to happen given Ace's lineage and the choice Ace made. Nuance in stories has always been something I appreciate. The idea that choices aren't so black and white(even in a black and white story) and there are shades of grey. Stories where they encourage people to think rather than telling those how to think I prefer.
People also forget that Ace chose to be a pirate of his own volition. Even if family is family there are sometimes where people have to go their own way and you have to respect that. Ace chose to be a pirate and garp respected his resolve
i'm literally in tears for empathising what garp would have had to go through in order to make the decisions that he had to make it was never mentioned in the video but we cannot forget that the entire thing was supposed to be livestreamed and that Garp is literally the hero of the marines what would have happened to all of the innocent people who idolised garp when they saw garp actively helping ace to be free, what would have happened to the trust in the marines when the literal hero of the marines is seen to "switch sides" garp had a responsibility to uphold his actions to the ideal that people are expecting him to be and the fact that he actively made that choice for me only adds to his character and strength
After 1080, it's pretty clear Garp was throwing at Marineford. I think fighting the Whitebeard Pirates, he saw what was at stake for the rest of the world, but in Luffy, he could have his cake and eat it too. He could protect the world as a Marine, and save Ace as a grandfather. He couldn't have asked for a better outcome, at least until Sakazuki showed up.
When you hear the same recycled joke of Garp abandoning Ace at Marineford and then people honestly take said jokes seriously and mischaracterize Garp's nuanced writing.
It's possibly one of Morj's best videos. I do want to add that Garp getting mad about akainu killing Ace fits perfectly with Garp. It's possible that Ace being killed through execution was scene as a hand of justice. While Akainu killing him was more a personal killing because he was never meant to kill Ace in battle. It's almost like vigilantism. It is very similar to a criminal getting the death penalty through a fair trial as opposed to being killed by the police on the street. One is justice, and the other would be an injustice.
one of the scenes in MF that send chills down my spine everytime i think about it even till this day is when Garp confronted Luffy just before he reaches Ace. like you said, that was the defying moment for Garp's entire internal struggle that he has been dealing with throughout the whole saga, his sense of duty, justice, and the responsibility he carries on his shoulder as the greatest pillar of hope for the marines, versus his father's heart. standing before him and behind him are the 2 people he loves the most in this world, his 2 grandsons, then we see a quick panel of him from behind showing the marine coat he is wearing with "Justice" written on it, symbolizing again the tremendous weight he is carrying as the Great Marine Hero and what it would mean for him to fail his mission. and at that moment, he must make a choice, obliterate and annihilate this "pirate" in a Strawhat running at him, or letting his grandson through. and the most beautiful part is he was so conflicted, the guilt was weighting down on his heart so much that he couldnt really made a choice in the end, he decided to close his eyes, and let fate do it's thing. and when Ace was saved, he just sit there on the ground, hoping that he made the right choice, only for everything to be snapped away by Akainu. the characterisation, the emotion, everything was so raw and beautifully written. Garp will always be one of my favorite characters in the series thanks to that scene.
Garp is a decent man living in indecent times and he truly is making the best decisions given his options. He hates the celestial dragons and slavery but the Rocks had to be stopped because rocks would enslave the entire world
The Monkey family doesn't represent freedom. They represent Liberty. The balance of freedom with justice. Each having their own method for attaining it. Blackbeard represents pure freedom without justice. Akainu represents pure justice without freedom. Imu represents the absence of both.
This is the video Garp deserved a long time ago. People misunderstand him all the time. I’m so happy that he finally gets the respect he deserves and people see that he is top 3 fighters. I’ve been saying it for years that man is a walking buster call
Watching this video reminded me about why Marineford was so great and your video analysis of it. I started to tear up re-reading those panels of Garp. You really knocked it out of the park with this short analysis Morj. More evidence why other One Piece Tubers shouldn't clown on you so hard.
I think the Garp haters were just completely clueless about his character. Even just a surface-level understanding is enough to get that it's complicated. Honestly, there is nothing in this video that doesn't feel obvious to me, but it still feels like it had to be said. To me, it feels like all the Garp heckling comes from the same place as the "if that was me" bullshit like in the CalebCity sketch. It's just people spitting ignorance about how Garp should have just beaten up all the marines and let Ace go, and then beat up the pirates like Blackbeard trying to take advantage, and then just magically smooth everything over so it's happily ever after.
Probably more accurate to say other OP creators have no interest in _really_ putting forth the effort to really say something of substance about OP. its all sensational and surface lvl with alot of them
This video is really really really good morj!!! Im a very casual reader of one piece and I never really think about stuff like this so it's really awesome to hear your perspectives on the series!!
Thank you for making this video Morj. I've always said, IMO, Pops was the selfish one in this conflict. Garp made the opposite of a selfish choice by choosing the safety of countless innocents over his own urge to save his child's life, while Pops threw away the safety of the civilians living in his empire to fight a battle he **knew** himself and most of his army wouldn't come back from just to safe his child. Even if Ace did get rescued, it was still a very bad choice to go to war like that. The very reason none of the five superpowers go to war with each other (the same reason Pops couldn't save Wano from Kaido) is because win or lose their empire would almost certainly take a blow it will never recover from. Pops let his emotions and pride overrule his logic and made an awful decision, while Garp had the willpower to make the right decision despite how much it destroyed him.
Also, marines are less likely to betray eachother. Its easier to assume pirates backstab each other left and right because some of them are basically lawless bandits in a world mostly covered by water. Marines representing order and safety makes sense in this world.
It has to be said that the Marines must be like family to Garp with close friends like Sengoku and Tsuru being with them for several decades. If Garp had tried to save Ace and turn against the marines, it would be like if Luffy had to fight and kill his crew to save his brother
This is exactly what makes One piece so good. It's UA-camrs like morj that can offer completely different perspective to what you otherwise wouldn't have given a second thought. I've always been on Garp's side and I somewhat understood the significance of why Garp couldn't do anything, but this gave me a much deeper understanding and new nuggets to chew on. Thank you So much Morj. I wish more UA-camrs did analysis videos as good as Morj does. Can't wait to see more of Your content and I hope we see more analysis videos like this, in general.
Some of the best one piece content I’ve seen! I think what’s interesting is the idea of heroism and the comparison between Garp and Luffy. I think Luffy is a hero on a micro level but not a macro level. He doesn’t have any care about society on a macro level, just cares about helping individuals as and when he comes across them. Garp is a hero on a macro level, but not a micro one. He cares about systems that protect the most amount of people possible and rules and order, but in the world of One Piece, there’s a bit of a dilemma there because the only body currently capable of protecting that law and order is tyrannical and that greyness tears him apart a bit.
8:45 - This section explains why Yamato freely choosing the responsibility of protecting Wano instead of going out to sea isn’t a betrayal of her desire for freedom. There’s a lot of nuance to Luffy’s ideal freedom. While he’s free, he’s still to a degree shackled (by his own will) by his responsibilities to his crew.
There is a lot to take in too. It's already enough to have a fresh admiral come in and make their strongest warriors look like jokes, but there is also considering the ancient weapon there, the potential fate of the various members of the beast pirates and what to do with them, training a still inexperienced new shogun, the possible outcome of the two CP0 agents of dubious fate, what happened to X. Drake and Basil Hawkins, Wano is still really messy at the moment to just go out and leave haphazardly.
Yamato is a tomboy shown by Vivre Cards, SBS segments, and cover stories, and the only male to female transgenders or female to male transgenders in One Piece are Kiku and Morley@@rileychan5380.
Thank you for this, Morj. The Garp slander was truly getting to me and everything you said regarding the perception of the average One Piece citizen and the greater good as a whole was spot on.
The Hero who turns the other way around while defending the land from pirates and rebels. Yes, he doesn't take the promotion if in exchange, he had to answer the World Government and Celestial Dragons and their god complex, he was still under the thumb of those who are happily bark at the palms of those clowns. He wants justice and fair rights to all, but it was just to Humans. Racialism and Human superiority complex was on his priority, not those not humans. I applaud Garp for doing his duty. But not his choices. He can't even make reforms in his home department, much less protect non-Humans from the suffering they had.
Perfectly put Morj. I think this is one of the videos where you've best redacted your arguments. I love that Oda doesn't explicitly exhibit everything for us through dialogue. He trusts his readers to rationalize the character's motives or developments very subtly. Congrats again, amazing video!
I agree Garp was in a tough postion with a valid argument, but let's not forget he was in that position because the WG wanted to kill Ace as a symbolic death to the Pirate Era and the Will of D. The nuance of the war itself is the result of a corrupt institution performing an execution to stay in power.
@Royal Fun It doesn't matter what Ace was, he was a baby in his mother's womb and they would have killed him and his mother. Pirate or not a pirate, he would have been executed regardless, as long as they got their hands on him. It's got nothing to do with his choice to become a pirate other than they feared his existence more if he grew up to become the next pirate king, which he didn't want to be.
I never gave Garp this much thought before. I never really saw him as a bad guy, just a guy who made a poor or easy decision on who he sided with. This analysis gave me more to think about and speaks volumes about what happened and what he did at Blackbeard's island.
Great video it just shows how much of a great character Garp is and how well he was crafted. It is too hard to see the morality in the world of one piece when following up with the mugiwara.
Absolutely spot on, saw some fans arguing about how marines are the enemy and I wish they could see this video. The point you raised about how they are a necessary evil is so true. Not every marine is akainu and not every pirate is luffy theres more nuance than that.
Amazing vid, can’t believe you didn’t mention in that first illustration he is literally holding the “Grey Terminal Staff” aka piece of crooked pipe carried by Ace/Sabo. The latter literally carrying it into adulthood…he was holding something Sabo himself keeps as a symbol of his connection to Luffy. Just a +
I understand the metacontexual aspect of Garp not saving Ace but I truly don't believe Garp would have let Luffy die. Really hoping we get some serious Garp development soon in the series 👍
Nah. Ace is just as much Garp’s son as Luffy is. For a story that’s all about find family, I think it would be really bad if garp put his biological grandson above his adopted grandson
Garp going out of his way to train and rescue Coby is no surprise. A Marine even more uncompromising in protecting the weak and standing up to evil than himself must survive and thrive. In a sense he's even more important than Luffy or Sabo because he's the representation of hope in the Marines.
Finally. This is such a good video to make people understand Garp's character. People seem to disregard lots of nuances in the story because this is "just a shonen". Even the look on the marine who called out to Garp tells you so much about his importance. The poor guy couldn't understand what his hero was doing, no one except Sengoku understood what was going on with their hero. He's the hero so he certainly wouldn't do something so irrational, right? Moments like these made me fall in love with One Piece.
Garp is my 2nd favorite character in one piece so i am glad you made this video cuz people mischaracterize him a lot. This is one of the best one piece video i have seen
Garp WANTS to change the marines. Remember, his first pupil is Aokiji. The same man who saved a little girl from an atrocity. The only other man worthy of being the fleet admiral.
Hey, I just have a one question. Was it confirmed that dragon is actually the son of Garp? Isn’t it possible that garp is luffys grandfather from mothers side and he is the father of luffys mother.
no, but it's foolish to assume he's not, as his name is Monkey D. Dragon, so unless Luffy's never-before-mentioned mother somehow influenced Dragon to change his name, when the world of One Piece never even knew Dragon's full name before Marineford, it doesn't add up to me. We even have characters react to the reveal by saying "Dragon is Garp's son?!" and Garp doesn't correct them. He just goes "oops!"
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Another thing I've seen Garp criticized is his "abusive" way of raising Luffy, but I always thought part of the reason he raised him in so radical a manner is that he's trying the opposite of however Dragon was raised, in hopes he reaches a different path. Maybe Garp had already tried some choices we criticize him for not doing, and grew disillusioned at its results specifically because of how Dragon ended up. It's another layer to making Garp a morally gray and tragic character.
Let's see if Dragon had a comfortable childhood... Interesting theory. I think it's more likely that Dragon went through the same things Luffy did. Garp genuinely believes that it is helpful in strengthening a kid for life, after all
@MarikitKaNa i dont think Garp has a problem with Dragon as a person, but im sure he's bothered by Dragon trying to tear down the hierarchy through criminal means. Same way he hates what Luffy and Ace had become while loving them
@havewissmart9602 i wouldn't say Dragon was raised comfortably, but I dont think he was raised the same. He hid away Ace because of notorious father. He eventually moved away Luffy there too as Dragon became notorious. I dont believe how Luffy was raised was Garp's first choice. While its a 50/50 on whether Garp was involved with raising Dragon, I think the way Luffy was raised was definitely because of whatever happened with his parents, and I think that definitely influenced how Garp approached Luffy
I strongly disagree with a lot of what this video says and believe that it gives the World Government way too much leeway. No offense to Morj but a lot of nuance is missing 1. The World Government creates pirates: The world government was directly and indirectly create so many pirates in the one piece world that it makes me think that if they never existed there would be total peace. The World Government created Ace, Roger, Law, Nami, Boa, Jimbe, Arlong, Fisher Tiger, Kuma and WAY more characters in this series and this video in no way mentions that. Also the idea that pirates are capable of doing an Ohara is absolutely insane, Imu HAS DESTROYED TWO islands with a mysterious weapon and we don’t even know what happened during the Void century so i reject the idea pirates have the capability of creating an Ohara like incident because the worse we’ve seen a pirate do is arguably Wano and that is a way better fate to live through than your entire island being vaporized completely 2. The Warlords: The World Government literally teams up with the same dictatorial pirates this video mentions, Crocodile and Doflamingo are some of the most morally corrupt and evil pirates we’ve seen in this series and they were allies of the World Government, its very similar to how the USA supports facist dictators when they overthrew democratic elected governments simply so that they had some influence in the region 3. Propaganda: This video straight up ignores the amount of propaganda the World Government has pumped out into the world and how much people believe it to be true even Moji. There are in no way millions of pirates out there in the one piece world thats a lie. So many characters we’ve met have never even seen a real pirate but they still fear them anyway due to the propaganda by the WGE, they do this to control the masses and make them side with them even though they are the ones that poison their food, water and land be it by immoral experiments by Dr Vegapunk and Dr Ceaser Clown or the spread of disease they failed to stop with Laws home country. The idea that there is a “right” time to have a revolution is laughable because there never is. Yes people will die and suffer in the short run due to the absence of the world entity that controlled everything but in the long run there will be peace. The Celestial Dragons and Imu will be gone and so will all the horrors they made the people face
Yes, Garp did chose justice and duty over his own family. He did it not to boost his ego, but to show the world that he was still sensible. He declined being put under the leash of the same reason some of the people chose a life of piracy, being a rebel, or hide somewhere out of World Government's claws. He did things to save innocent people from violent pirates, extremists and criminals. He fought for justice. He fought for what he sees was truth. The downsides are, he chose to be mute for what is really happening. He saw what Celestial Dragons and the World Government had done to the same people he supposed to protect, turning a blind eye to the enslavement rampages of the clowns in fishbowl and spacesuits. He ignored the corruption of the same department he was. He just watched as his own family torn apart, just for the justice he knew. He let his friends on both sides take the flak. He let his son rebel. He let his grandson suffer. He let Dadan grieve. He failed Gold Roger. He failed the innocents victimised by the Celestial Dragons and the Pirates. Yes, Garp was a gray moral boundary between chaotic and anarchistic ways of those who wanted freedom, and the fakery of the government he serves and the rules it made. Garp was written like that to see if there were someone still good on this world.
I just love how @Mr Morj is so analytically comprehensive when it comes to literature. He breaks the story so well that it becomes more enjoyable when we get a better perspective on Oda's work and intention with the story. I'm so glad for having Morj in OP community 💯👍
I can never forgive Garp. Luffy’s negative reactions every time he sees Garp kind of says he’s got some real child abuse trauma. He also was well aware the Marines were killing pregnant women and babies and did nothing. People all the time talk about how much it hurt him that Ace was killed, but he was still actively a participant in his murder. He puts his job above innocent lives.
I have a theory about why 3 Monkey D chose a different path. Garp was born and grew up during the high of Rock Pirates's reign of terror. That's mean he saw the worst of the pirates. So it's was normal for him to have to step up and defend people's freedom from Rock. Roger was exceptional as a heroic rogue that meets Garp when he was marine. Dragon, on the other hand. Saw what happened to his hometown Goa Kingdom has done to Grey Terminal during Celestial Dragon visited (not to mention he might see the same situation when he was on travel). That means he saw the worst of the government have done. That's why he became a revolutionary. Luffy has the same experience as Dragon. But because he has Shanks as a father figure and was raised by honorable bandits (under Garp training). That means Luffy has a firm believer that he can do what he wants to do (exploring and saving people) if he becomes an outlaw.
I think if Garp is a leader of SWORD then it would hammer home that point that he cant go against the marines due to everything hes been working towards. After being one of the few high up good examples in the marines, what kind of message does it show if the greatest marine of all time suddenly loses all faith in the marines. What does that tell the next generation. That its just hopeless? Hes in such a tough spot and I genuinely believe one of the most underrated characters in the series. So giving him a big role like the founder of SWORD would really help show the true dilemma hes in and will help show that everything he sacrificed will be worth it in the end if they achieve their goals.
man this is such a good video. i haven't read one piece in a while and this made me remember how important marines like garp, koby, aokiji, and smoker are. pirates are not the good guys, we're just following the story of a good pirate
I disagree. The marines were mostly incompetent during Marineford and are the same after timeskip. For example Arlong was occupying and terrorizing Nami's village for what 10 years and the Marines weren't even aware of that if I remember correctly. Kid was massacring civilians since pre-timeskip and the one to take him down was Shanks not the Marines. The worst of the worst pirates out there is Blackbeard and he's never shown killing civilians for the fun of it. Maybe he has, it's just not mentioned. If the Marines were doing such a good job protecting the civilians there wouldn't be that many pirate attacks on different islands. Even if we exclude Ohara, the Marines did exactly nothing when the nobles tried to massacre the Goa kingdom's poor. So, they just serve as enforcers for the world nobles with the occasional capture of pirates of the caliber of captain Kuro (but dumber) to keep appearances.
This is intentional since we are in the POV of pirates. And OP is ideal and Oda romanticize piracy which is good for storytelling though it should fool the audience
Garp probably didn't know how evil the celestial dragons were until he started moving up in the marines he probably joined under the perception of an ordinary civilian
All very true. One of the coolest things about one piece is that we follow a very small snapshot - strawhats, red hair, revolutionary. They’re the current generation. 3 of the most notorious organizations in the world, and honestly in history. But we just happen to be following them and know that they’re forces of good. We got a good look at other noble legends like Roger and Whitebeard, we saw what happened to Ace, and we’ve seen plenty of the evil side of the marines. This is all on purpose of course, making it very easy for us to see the marines as the main enemy. But when we look beyond our snapshot and view the world as a whole, most people see the complete opposite and for very good reason. Most people aren’t from Ohara, most people don’t know who luffy or shanks are outside of their bounty pictures. Most people have their lives threatened or ruined by pirates and are saved by the Garps and Kobys. And that matters, it’s not like they’re just living some lie. That’s the real truth of the world, even though the government is hiding serious stuff it’s not like people are being brainwashed. The marines really are largely a force of good fighting a force of evil, while also protecting a force of evil. It’s all very complex
Thank you for this! So many misunderstand Garp, even his conversation with Ace beforehand shows how mad he is this has to be done, he’s asking ace why he didn’t just listen to him and become a marine, I also think there is a level of respecting what ace has chosen as his path
I had no idea people hated on Garp, I think he's an amazingly written character
I don't think anyone hates Garp, but similarly no one is defending Garp as a good parent, at the end of the day his parenting is what lead to him living with regrets, having to see his grandsons become pirates, and living stranded from his Son who became the most wanted man in the world
@@Doomroar well neither was Roger
Neither was dragon
No strong person in one piece is a great parent
Garp did his best and he is pissed with koby situation cause BB was the reason Ace was caught ....he is going to bury that island
@@ibrahimsurti4922 Its interesting how Oda makes it so that these characters are not great parents to their biological kids, but they seem to be pretty decent with their adopted children.
@ibrahimsurti4922 Roger was dead soooooo......
Not worshiping a character and having their face as our profile pic is hating nowadays
Morj is so good at being engaging when explaining literary devices such as themes and characters. This video reminded me of why I am subscribed to this channel.
Ya
Guess that's why people like him
He’s an amazing content creator honestly. He hits beats not many others even come close to
Definitely. Morj is the goat
Morj is so thorough, I'll name drop him on other channels if I feel their one piece takes are weak and full of holes
I really wonder how Luffy feels about Garp. Their last interaction was the punch at Marineford, which was immediately followed by the death of Luffy's brother at the hands of the Marines-with Garp present. In the 10+ years since Marineford we haven't had even a panel of Luffy thinking about or mentioning Garp. We genuinely do not know how Luffy feels about Garp or his dilemma. It'd be interesting to see how he feels about him and how they will interact if they ever see each other again
I think Luffy still loves Garp all the same. He and Garp have a lot in common even their values about freedom. Garp despite not liking Luffy being a pirate fundamentally respects his choice and lets him live his life, consequences and all. Luffy's the same but it still hurts to be on opposite sides unless it's in private. He and Ace long ago acknowledged they'd have to fight Garp to keep their dreams (not to such tragedy but it was still their choices that lead to that outcome.)
He understands. Him and Garp are damn near one and the same.
It’s the interaction that I’m most looking forward to
Luffy will never hate his grandpa
He will always love him, hell if BB does something to garp
Luffy will bury BB and his crew np .......
If it wasn't for garp, luffy would have never rescued ace.
Ace died because of his own stupidity not because of garp
Garp is honestly, that one pillar of the marines that still can give bright eyed impressionable youths (like Koby) that idealistic "Hero" dream that inspired them to join the Marines in the first place without having the concept be completely swallowed by the WG's corruption.
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When he sits next to his adopted grandson who is about to be executed for being born to the wrong person, he cries like a bitch and says "What am I supposed to do"
Nigga free him
Beat up Sengoku and free Ace
Even if your hands are "tied" look for Luffy and Dragon and ask them for help
They aren't as strong as him, but when they saw stuff was messed up, they did something about it
@@rimuru7173 my boy really didn't watch the video
@@rimuru7173 watching the video can do wonders when using UA-cam
@@rimuru7173 It doesn't cost anything to use your brain and pay attention my guy.
Oda actually portrays the generational gap between the Monkey D. family so well. Garp being the conservative grandad who even though possesses some black & white world views he still has a good heart, Dragon who, whilst being a revolutionary, approaches it in a very methodical fashion and only hates the celestial dragons and not the kings who stand below them and then lastly Luffy being Gen Z doing whatever the hell he wants.
And buggy is the millennial bouncing between jobs, getting pay increases, but not knowing what the heck he's doing most of the time
@@acandela1294 fair. it's relatable
Technically, Luffy is an early Millennial since the series started in 1997🤷
@@SX1995ableactually 1997 might be considered one of the last millennial years, some 1997 people don't remember 9/11
@@lipa7427 I'm 1995 and I don't remember 9/11 lol
The picture of Garp doesn’t only indicate his personality mirrors Luffy; young Garp carrying the rod as a child while on a tiger also suggests his upbringing was similar to that of Luffy’s too. We know Luffy, Ace, and Sabo used to all carry a similar rod to the one Garp has on their adventures, and part of Luffy’s trials as a child was the struggle to survive and overcome the wilderness.
OMG I always knew that Garp was kinda similar to Luffy in his youth but it made me think of the possibility that he might had "brothers" just like Luffy.
This is beautiful. The scene of Garp sobbing on the execution platform made me almost tear up, because this is the moment we see his emotional struggle fully. An excellent, beautiful video
Garp is a major reason why Marineford is so good. The internal conflict he has is maybe the best in the series
I really love how both Garp and Luffy both dislike the title of “hero” Luffy dislikes it because he doesn’t want the responsibility, and Garp dislikes it because he doesn’t feel like he deserves the responsibility. It’s such a good parallel.
Another thing that a lot of readers don't realize is what Garp himself means to the people of the One Piece world. He is THE hero. He is straight up the All Might of their world. Even disregarding the outcome of the war, just people seeing Garp turn traitor would have a tremendous negative effect.
One thing people often overlook is that Garp is friends with and mentored countless marines over the span of decades, the marines at Marineford were his nakama, so while Ace was family, Ace's nakama were attacking his, which only added to his inner turmoil. I think a lot of people shift the blame on Garp, but Ace's stubborness lead to his demise, because he underestimated Blackbeard.
I mean, I’d say it was more that the navy are corrupt and wanted to kill ace more for who his dad was than who ace was
@@mujiescomedy279 well the navy probably got the command from the celestial dragon,so you can track all the problem in the world to them
I swear this take makes it even sadder. It’s like watching your family tear each other apart for their differences and issues and you have to side with one group within the family but you love them all.
I’m really glad this video came out bc some ppl really give Garp a lot of crap for not helping Ace but they honestly fail to understand Dude had his important responsibilities as a officer of true Peace and justice and If the public saw him as helping a pirate, then the citizens wouldn’t know who to turn to when it came to crime and bloodthirsty pirates
imagine your father is a cop and you're a gangbanger - im sure that scripts been written elsewhere before but it fits
Well said
Honestly whether or not a pirate or a marine is coming to wreck your home depends on if you are affiliated with the WG.
It was more than that, Garp Could have Risked exposing the Secret Revolutionary group by saving Ace but Koby is a Marine so Garp is backed by the WG to go all out to get Koby
Perfectly said. I don't know how people don't understand this
I think the reason Garp let Ace be saved was specifically cause it was his grandson trying to save him. Had someone else like whitebeard or Marco been the one to make it there, he would have not let himself get punched. He was probably thinking how could he stop luffy when he is putting his whole life into saving his brother. Also that scene with Garp and dadan still gets me every time I watch it. 😢
I think what it really came down to is no matter what he’ll never be able to bring himself to hit his grandson full force, he’d likely rather die than hurt luffy
As a Japanese reader, I'm kinda shocked to know that there were people in the world that hated Garp for not saving Ace.
like, are they even reading the story?
If you're really reading the story, I'm pretty sure it was clear why he couldn't save Ace, since Oda literally drew the whole struggle that he had.
These complex scenes make the character more interesting and is what made me love him.
Tbf, a lot of One Piece fans are on the younger side. I'm sure there were kids in Japan who didn't get it either
I read the manga and it was clear that garp wanted to save ace but I don’t think it was made clear why he didn’t apart from he wanted to stay in the navy
Most readers do not know "how to read"a scene
He struggled with it thru the whole war. I think thats why garp went thru hell to save Coby. To make up for what he didnt do with ace
A lot of western readers don’t perceive the idea of “duty” in the way of context and nuance. Also, media literacy is US specifically is severely lacking on the account of unnecessary censorship in general culture.
Garp is such an amazing character. I would give anything for Oda to make a prequel series following his story after OP is finished.
A spinoff like the Ace novels would also be great in my book.
@@greatestcait Yea. I’m not a huge fan of Boichi’s art style so hopefully someone else would draw it but that’s exactly what I’d like to see.
Dude same. Same with Roger and the void century
Imagine he dies vs BB or in the Final War 💀.
@@grizzlyadams8277 well its novel not manga
The problem with Garp is that many readers are quite simply too young to understand his perspective. Which is not a diss, his dilemmas are things adults encounter in later life. For example, you can't just tell a father or mother who is working a low paid job to quit it and open a business. They have a responsibility for their families. So, they need to make difficult decisions which upon a superficial glance seem stupid. Naturally most teens and young adults won't be able to relate to such a perspective. Garp is one of the parental figures of the show and those in my opinion are notoriously misunderstood.
In fact, here's a hot take: The reason so many people love Whitebeard is because we all can relate to having (or at worst wanting) a good loving father. Extremely few people talk about his perspective of wanting to be the parent, growing your own family, etc. It's always the perspective of wanting to have a parent like him. The one and only person I ever saw relating to his role as a parent was Merphy Napier who sees herself as a similar sort of mother figure for her friends (according to herself). At least among the typical well known One Piece youtubers.
This is why One Piece isn't technically just for Young Men (Shonen) it's for all ages. There's always more to learn within One Piece and as one grows up and has a family, they can look back at this story and find more things to understand
I think you also forgot to mention that Merphy herself was in the process of adopting a child when she read about Whitebeard, so it cuts even deeper for her. Whitebeard is not only a character, but an ideal of what Merphy herself wants to be for her adoptive child.
@@Abdullah-uh4eu Yes, that's absolutely true. And that just further proves my point because obviously, what teen or young adult can relate to wanting to adopt a child or having adopted children? Naturally for someone in that position, the character Whitebeard is gonna be way different. I can't imagine how deep that must cut, reading about WB while being in the midst of the process yourself.
I love him cuz he was such a father figure
But Im just 18
Garp is one of the best written characters in the series. It’s a shame that many ignore his moral dilemma in marineford or straight up blame him for Ace’s death.
true
Especially when every flashback and scene during Marineford almost beats your head with how painful it all was for him or subtly shows how much Garp was holding back to let Ace be rescued.
To be one the best written one piece characters is not a great feat
Good grammar isn’t a great feat either but you still failed.
Just because he had a moral dilemma doesn’t make him the best written character bro lol. Garp has been in less than 30 chapters of the almost 1100 chapter series. It’s impossible for him to be the best written character when there are dozens with much more exposition and fleshing out. I love Garp, I just think that take is beyond a stretch considering characters like Sanji are much more fleshed out and better written in my opinion. Buggy has more screen time, exposition, and understanding than Garp has had in the series. Let that sink in.
how many times has Morj read One Piece? observation haki OP
Ayyyye our boy Ragnar in Morj's comments section. Real recognizes real
Glad you saw this video. It offers some perspectives that some of us underscored
I honestly think if Ace would have broke down and just asked his Grandpa to help him, then Garp would have in a heartbeat, regardless of the consequences. He did care greatly for his family, and the decision weighed on him so heavily that I think it wouldn’t have taken much to tip him in that direction.
I mean at the end he was ready to fight akainu. He said it himself, he needed sengoku to hold him back or he likely would have killed akainu
Not sure how much it plays into it. But it's worth noting that in the Uta backstory, Luffy was seen to be very much against pirates before meeting Shanks.
My thoughts too.
I mean film red opening is literally saying :
"some pirates just want to steal"
Thus if we are taking this movie as cannon shows how much influence his fruit had on his decision making and personality!
@@DANCERcownah, it shows that shanks had a big influence…?
@@DANCERcow Bro we see him in chapter 1 asking to become a pirate before he eats the fruit
@@DANCERcow the fruit doesn't come before Luffy's dream to be a pirate, tho? Luffy got close to Shanks and when he saw just how idealistic and free being a pirate is, Luffy started to borne the Idea of following Shanks' lead and begging Shanks to bring him to the sea, even as much threatening Shanks with a knife to his own face. It was in his irk and frustration that Shanks won't take him seriously that Luffy spotted the box containing Gomu-Gomu no Mi and unwittingly ate it.
The recent chapter shows me that Marco got of lightly with the punch Garp gave him at Marineford. If he wanted to Garp probably could have sent him to skypia
Given that haki is literally tied to a person's ambition/strength of will, Garp was definitely weakened during Marineford. I doubt he was intentionally holding back against Marco, he just couldn't muster the willpower to genuinely oppose Ace's rescue.
I'm here to disagree. From what i understand, the galaxy fist we saw in the latest chapters was not defended against. No one was strong enough to stop him there. With Marco, he was punching a yonko commander who most likely knows how to defend himself with haki as well. Remember, armament can be used to attack and defend yourself
Let's not forget that before that, nobody put a scratch on Marco, not even Admiral
and then Garp just punched him to the ground
damn! this is what u called understanding the story not those people who just reacts to good animation w/o even understanding it story is very extremely vital to a movie/series its the one carries the whole thing. this channel never fails to amaze me. Of all OP channels out there this one is the best.
Agreed
Garp’s dilemma brought a tear to my eyes. Choosing between family or duty is a hard decision. This is why marine ford is such a great arc.
I was never mad at garp for marineford. Ace made his own choices. And oda did a great job of showing garp struggle to the point he break down in tears questioning what he should do. I wasn't mad at garp. He let Luffy get past him. If he put duty before family. Luffy would be dead plus if garp decided to go rouge..what would have happened is sengoku was prepared to fight him. Sengoku not to be underestimated..we don't know if it would have change anything and ace choose to die on his own terms protecting Luffy and defending whitebeard name by taking akainu bait. None of it was garp fault. I never blamed garp and love him as a character. I do however understand why dadan beat his ass lol. That was a mom losing her child. And garp took that cause he was heartbroken. Only one that felt worse about ace death was probably Luffy. It was made so clear how garp love ace .he saw him as family. I don't think ace would blame garp either. He live by his own terms
That's a huge point people forget, Ace was freed and he and Luffy were home free but Ace couldn't allow someone else to slander his dad whiteboard.
Garp is one of those characters I've been fascinated to learn more about. His goofy antics are great but you can tell there's a ton of history, given his relation to Roger, Xebec and the World Government at large. For example, a part of me theorizes that the reason why Garp was so hard on Luffy and Ace was because Dragon was a former Marine, and him leaving and forming the Revolutionary Army made him want the two to stay in the Marines as a means to prevent them from suffering. Though, you could make the argument that Ace and Luffy's lineages would always haunt them. All in all, my theorizing aside, I look forward to learn more about the Hero of the Marines.
Wait, I didn't know about Dragon being a former Marine, did Oda mention this in an SBS?
@beeggae nope it's all speculation on the fans part lol
@@akmhd he said it’s a theory
@@akmhd not actually canon but it would make a lot of sense. Would also explain the seemingly personal antagonism akainu has with him.
@@rishabhanand4973 if dragon was a marine, he'd be destined to be so famous that no marines would forget his identity because:
1. His dad is top marine hero
2. Him being a Monkey D. bloodlines would enables him to be strong, outstanding & remembered by others.
It would be impossible for Marine to erase his identity that even Smoker didn't know the relationship between Luffy & Dragon at the Logue Town.
It would be impossible for Dragon to hide his identity that even Ivankov couldn't connect the dot & has to be told by Luffy
People miss that Garp didnt fail with raising Luffy and Ace to do good. He himself thinks he failed because he wanted them to become good marines but they did indeed inherit his sense of justice and that being good and helping others is whats important. Luffy just wanted to be free while doing so and he also wanted everyone else to be free and be able to eat as much as they like
already watched the vid like 4 times in 2x speed and i can confirm, this is a one piece video
Ty for telling me
I had a hard time figuring it out thanks
Proof?
downloaded this video and watched it on 6 different monitors at 1.25x speed 3 times, i think you might be right
Garp spent his whole life trying to stop Ace from being a pirate. He knew where it would get him. He knew who Ace was. He knew what he’d have to do if Ace didn’t listen, that’s why he pushed so hard.
Ace made his choice. He was a pirate. If Garp saved Ace without him asking, he’d be disrespecting Ace as both a man and a pirate.
Hadn't thought about it this way before, but I totally agree
Fax
True. Garp, Luffy and Ace seem to have a very strong opinion about the choice of becoming a pirate.
However, when push comes to shove, they will throw that out of the window.
We see Luffy trying to save Ace, we see Ace dying for Luffy, we Garp letting Luffy pass through, we see Garp ready to destroy Akainu.
They respect each other's decisions but actually love them more.
Garp is the old man in OP we've been waiting for.
And tbh he's probably gonna end up like Jiraiya, Yamamoto and Netero. Dead, since its a common theme in Shounen manga. Garp will most likely be used to start a real conflict between Luffy and Blackbeard so he'll be captured or killed
Yeah sure true correct gottem. Gotcha anything else?
(Stop making me think about this kinda shit bro tf wrong with you)
@@panafricanismisascam5201 Cliche
@@panafricanismisascam5201 i think it's much more symbolic. A defeated Garp means the end of the Hero image that can defeat all pirates, easily cementing Blackbeard as the most threatening pirate out there
Garp’s ultimatum of having to choose between Garp: the Hero of the Marines and Garp: the Grandfather of Ace and Luffy is probably what made Luffy so against the idea of being seen as a “hero” by the people he helps.
Luffy had to watch helplessly as one of the only other people who loved Ace as much as he did was made to help put him to death. Garp was forced to choose between his responsibility as the Hero and his love for Ace, and in the end he wound up not being able to fight on either side because of this gridlock.
Luffy isn’t a hero because Morj is misunderstanding the context of One Piece which if anything Luffy is either an anti-hero, an outlaw hero, or a vigilante, but he isn’t a hero like Batman or Superman, and the scene he showed in Wano is Luffy following the laws of equivalent exchange more fundamentally than the Elric brothers in FMA/FMA Brotherhood.
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr I’m talking about the “I don’t want to be a hero” quote from fishman island though. That explicit characterization is unusual for an antihero, and seems like it’s a result of his experience at Marineford
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr Batman is an outlaw hero lol.
Like, the morality and viability of vigilante justice in Gotham is a huge point of many of Batman's stories.
Dawg what?
One Piece outsold every Batman comic in existence, and Luffy has been more of a consistent character than the likes of Batman, Naruto, Asta, Natsu, and Ichigo himself@@skeletonwar4445.
Beautifully put and quite concise. I agree with all of this and I’m often annoyed that people still take One Piece at face value as a checklist of your typical shonen tropes. Oda goes very deep with his pen. He’s writing a fictional masterpiece of HUMAN expression, and it makes for all of the beautiful nuance and emotions that he allows for us to feel through his story.
You can say that about any shounen
Reason why Garp didn't save Ace because he isn't only a Marine officer but he is the face of Marine, he is The Hero
He is Superman of One Piece world
In Op world 95% of people don't know that WB and Ace are good person, they're Pirates and 99% of Pirates are evil
Critically think about complicated moral dilemmas < Blame Garp
@Bud Lightyear That's one of the things I liked about Marineford the moral dilemma Garp had to face with Ace. It's a case where Garp could not punch his way out. In a way, you could make the argument it was inevitable, fated to happen given Ace's lineage and the choice Ace made. Nuance in stories has always been something I appreciate. The idea that choices aren't so black and white(even in a black and white story) and there are shades of grey. Stories where they encourage people to think rather than telling those how to think I prefer.
kids arent great at that
bRo tHaTs YoUr hEAdcAnoN
Morj might be the GOAT.
No he really is the undisputed Goat
Not might he is.
Not after his kid prediction 😭😂
Agree
Worj
People also forget that Ace chose to be a pirate of his own volition. Even if family is family there are sometimes where people have to go their own way and you have to respect that. Ace chose to be a pirate and garp respected his resolve
Luffy doesn't go out of his way to be a hero. He just rights the wrongs he happens to see. In his mind, that's not being a hero, that's just normal.
i'm literally in tears for empathising what garp would have had to go through in order to make the decisions that he had to make
it was never mentioned in the video but we cannot forget that the entire thing was supposed to be livestreamed and that Garp is literally the hero of the marines
what would have happened to all of the innocent people who idolised garp when they saw garp actively helping ace to be free, what would have happened to the trust in the marines when the literal hero of the marines is seen to "switch sides"
garp had a responsibility to uphold his actions to the ideal that people are expecting him to be and the fact that he actively made that choice for me only adds to his character and strength
After 1080, it's pretty clear Garp was throwing at Marineford.
I think fighting the Whitebeard Pirates, he saw what was at stake for the rest of the world, but in Luffy, he could have his cake and eat it too. He could protect the world as a Marine, and save Ace as a grandfather.
He couldn't have asked for a better outcome, at least until Sakazuki showed up.
When you hear the same recycled joke of Garp abandoning Ace at Marineford and then people honestly take said jokes seriously and mischaracterize Garp's nuanced writing.
It's possibly one of Morj's best videos. I do want to add that Garp getting mad about akainu killing Ace fits perfectly with Garp. It's possible that Ace being killed through execution was scene as a hand of justice. While Akainu killing him was more a personal killing because he was never meant to kill Ace in battle. It's almost like vigilantism. It is very similar to a criminal getting the death penalty through a fair trial as opposed to being killed by the police on the street. One is justice, and the other would be an injustice.
good one
he was mad, but still stood watching as it happened.
one of the scenes in MF that send chills down my spine everytime i think about it even till this day is when Garp confronted Luffy just before he reaches Ace. like you said, that was the defying moment for Garp's entire internal struggle that he has been dealing with throughout the whole saga, his sense of duty, justice, and the responsibility he carries on his shoulder as the greatest pillar of hope for the marines, versus his father's heart. standing before him and behind him are the 2 people he loves the most in this world, his 2 grandsons, then we see a quick panel of him from behind showing the marine coat he is wearing with "Justice" written on it, symbolizing again the tremendous weight he is carrying as the Great Marine Hero and what it would mean for him to fail his mission. and at that moment, he must make a choice, obliterate and annihilate this "pirate" in a Strawhat running at him, or letting his grandson through. and the most beautiful part is he was so conflicted, the guilt was weighting down on his heart so much that he couldnt really made a choice in the end, he decided to close his eyes, and let fate do it's thing. and when Ace was saved, he just sit there on the ground, hoping that he made the right choice, only for everything to be snapped away by Akainu. the characterisation, the emotion, everything was so raw and beautifully written. Garp will always be one of my favorite characters in the series thanks to that scene.
Garp is a decent man living in indecent times and he truly is making the best decisions given his options. He hates the celestial dragons and slavery but the Rocks had to be stopped because rocks would enslave the entire world
The Monkey family doesn't represent freedom. They represent Liberty. The balance of freedom with justice. Each having their own method for attaining it. Blackbeard represents pure freedom without justice. Akainu represents pure justice without freedom. Imu represents the absence of both.
I really liked how you put it here
This is the video Garp deserved a long time ago. People misunderstand him all the time. I’m so happy that he finally gets the respect he deserves and people see that he is top 3 fighters. I’ve been saying it for years that man is a walking buster call
Watching this video reminded me about why Marineford was so great and your video analysis of it. I started to tear up re-reading those panels of Garp. You really knocked it out of the park with this short analysis Morj. More evidence why other One Piece Tubers shouldn't clown on you so hard.
I think the Garp haters were just completely clueless about his character. Even just a surface-level understanding is enough to get that it's complicated. Honestly, there is nothing in this video that doesn't feel obvious to me, but it still feels like it had to be said. To me, it feels like all the Garp heckling comes from the same place as the "if that was me" bullshit like in the CalebCity sketch. It's just people spitting ignorance about how Garp should have just beaten up all the marines and let Ace go, and then beat up the pirates like Blackbeard trying to take advantage, and then just magically smooth everything over so it's happily ever after.
Morj consistently brings out the nuances of this story that no one else seems to notice.
He's good at explaining
Probably more accurate to say other OP creators have no interest in _really_ putting forth the effort to really say something of substance about OP. its all sensational and surface lvl with alot of them
This is one of your most beautiful piece ever, literally enjoyed every second of it, Thanks Morj❤
This video is really really really good morj!!! Im a very casual reader of one piece and I never really think about stuff like this so it's really awesome to hear your perspectives on the series!!
It kills me that Garp is openly scared to see Luffy again.
Thank you for making this video Morj. I've always said, IMO, Pops was the selfish one in this conflict. Garp made the opposite of a selfish choice by choosing the safety of countless innocents over his own urge to save his child's life, while Pops threw away the safety of the civilians living in his empire to fight a battle he **knew** himself and most of his army wouldn't come back from just to safe his child.
Even if Ace did get rescued, it was still a very bad choice to go to war like that. The very reason none of the five superpowers go to war with each other (the same reason Pops couldn't save Wano from Kaido) is because win or lose their empire would almost certainly take a blow it will never recover from. Pops let his emotions and pride overrule his logic and made an awful decision, while Garp had the willpower to make the right decision despite how much it destroyed him.
Also, marines are less likely to betray eachother. Its easier to assume pirates backstab each other left and right because some of them are basically lawless bandits in a world mostly covered by water. Marines representing order and safety makes sense in this world.
It has to be said that the Marines must be like family to Garp with close friends like Sengoku and Tsuru being with them for several decades. If Garp had tried to save Ace and turn against the marines, it would be like if Luffy had to fight and kill his crew to save his brother
This is exactly what makes One piece so good. It's UA-camrs like morj that can offer completely different perspective to what you otherwise wouldn't have given a second thought. I've always been on Garp's side and I somewhat understood the significance of why Garp couldn't do anything, but this gave me a much deeper understanding and new nuggets to chew on. Thank you So much Morj. I wish more UA-camrs did analysis videos as good as Morj does. Can't wait to see more of Your content and I hope we see more analysis videos like this, in general.
Some of the best one piece content I’ve seen!
I think what’s interesting is the idea of heroism and the comparison between Garp and Luffy.
I think Luffy is a hero on a micro level but not a macro level. He doesn’t have any care about society on a macro level, just cares about helping individuals as and when he comes across them.
Garp is a hero on a macro level, but not a micro one. He cares about systems that protect the most amount of people possible and rules and order, but in the world of One Piece, there’s a bit of a dilemma there because the only body currently capable of protecting that law and order is tyrannical and that greyness tears him apart a bit.
8:45 - This section explains why Yamato freely choosing the responsibility of protecting Wano instead of going out to sea isn’t a betrayal of her desire for freedom.
There’s a lot of nuance to Luffy’s ideal freedom. While he’s free, he’s still to a degree shackled (by his own will) by his responsibilities to his crew.
Damn shows well that responsibility and freedom aren't necessarily enemies
There is a lot to take in too. It's already enough to have a fresh admiral come in and make their strongest warriors look like jokes, but there is also considering the ancient weapon there, the potential fate of the various members of the beast pirates and what to do with them, training a still inexperienced new shogun, the possible outcome of the two CP0 agents of dubious fate, what happened to X. Drake and Basil Hawkins, Wano is still really messy at the moment to just go out and leave haphazardly.
Yamato isn't a her, he's a His
Yamato is a tomboy shown by Vivre Cards, SBS segments, and cover stories, and the only male to female transgenders or female to male transgenders in One Piece are Kiku and Morley@@rileychan5380.
What I love about these type of videos is that it brings so much life to One Piece Morj does these vids the best for sure
Thank you for this, Morj. The Garp slander was truly getting to me and everything you said regarding the perception of the average One Piece citizen and the greater good as a whole was spot on.
The Hero who turns the other way around while defending the land from pirates and rebels.
Yes, he doesn't take the promotion if in exchange, he had to answer the World Government and Celestial Dragons and their god complex, he was still under the thumb of those who are happily bark at the palms of those clowns.
He wants justice and fair rights to all, but it was just to Humans. Racialism and Human superiority complex was on his priority, not those not humans.
I applaud Garp for doing his duty. But not his choices. He can't even make reforms in his home department, much less protect non-Humans from the suffering they had.
I don’t think people thinking that garp was wrong is slander.
Perfectly put Morj. I think this is one of the videos where you've best redacted your arguments. I love that Oda doesn't explicitly exhibit everything for us through dialogue. He trusts his readers to rationalize the character's motives or developments very subtly. Congrats again, amazing video!
I haven't seen Garp beautifully explained on UA-cam other than you. Thanks for this!
I agree Garp was in a tough postion with a valid argument, but let's not forget he was in that position because the WG wanted to kill Ace as a symbolic death to the Pirate Era and the Will of D. The nuance of the war itself is the result of a corrupt institution performing an execution to stay in power.
And that power is still the biggest good on the planet
People never acknowledge this and condemn Ace for becoming a pirate.
@@MarikitKaNa It was his choice still tho he wasn't wrong
That's the essence of making choices
@Royal Fun It doesn't matter what Ace was, he was a baby in his mother's womb and they would have killed him and his mother. Pirate or not a pirate, he would have been executed regardless, as long as they got their hands on him. It's got nothing to do with his choice to become a pirate other than they feared his existence more if he grew up to become the next pirate king, which he didn't want to be.
Brats don’t like Garp. It’s that’s simple.
I never gave Garp this much thought before. I never really saw him as a bad guy, just a guy who made a poor or easy decision on who he sided with. This analysis gave me more to think about and speaks volumes about what happened and what he did at Blackbeard's island.
Fantastic video putting into words what I've felt for 10+ years.
Great video it just shows how much of a great character Garp is and how well he was crafted. It is too hard to see the morality in the world of one piece when following up with the mugiwara.
Here to understand a fictional character
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Absolutely spot on, saw some fans arguing about how marines are the enemy and I wish they could see this video. The point you raised about how they are a necessary evil is so true. Not every marine is akainu and not every pirate is luffy theres more nuance than that.
Amazing vid, can’t believe you didn’t mention in that first illustration he is literally holding the “Grey Terminal Staff” aka piece of crooked pipe carried by Ace/Sabo. The latter literally carrying it into adulthood…he was holding something Sabo himself keeps as a symbol of his connection to Luffy. Just a +
I dont understand how people keep saying that Garp should have saved Ace. It's like they are delusional
I understand the metacontexual aspect of Garp not saving Ace but I truly don't believe Garp would have let Luffy die.
Really hoping we get some serious Garp development soon in the series 👍
Nah. Ace is just as much Garp’s son as Luffy is. For a story that’s all about find family, I think it would be really bad if garp put his biological grandson above his adopted grandson
Great video Morj! Honestly helped me take a second look at the role of the Marines and state of the world
Garp is the best animated grandpa ever.
Proove me wrong. I'll wait.
Facts no grandpa character I can think of is as badass and funny and well written and complex as Garp
Garp going out of his way to train and rescue Coby is no surprise. A Marine even more uncompromising in protecting the weak and standing up to evil than himself must survive and thrive. In a sense he's even more important than Luffy or Sabo because he's the representation of hope in the Marines.
Finally. This is such a good video to make people understand Garp's character. People seem to disregard lots of nuances in the story because this is "just a shonen". Even the look on the marine who called out to Garp tells you so much about his importance. The poor guy couldn't understand what his hero was doing, no one except Sengoku understood what was going on with their hero. He's the hero so he certainly wouldn't do something so irrational, right? Moments like these made me fall in love with One Piece.
Garp is my 2nd favorite character in one piece so i am glad you made this video cuz people mischaracterize him a lot. This is one of the best one piece video i have seen
Garp WANTS to change the marines. Remember, his first pupil is Aokiji. The same man who saved a little girl from an atrocity. The only other man worthy of being the fleet admiral.
Hey, I just have a one question. Was it confirmed that dragon is actually the son of Garp? Isn’t it possible that garp is luffys grandfather from mothers side and he is the father of luffys mother.
no, but it's foolish to assume he's not, as his name is Monkey D. Dragon, so unless Luffy's never-before-mentioned mother somehow influenced Dragon to change his name, when the world of One Piece never even knew Dragon's full name before Marineford, it doesn't add up to me.
We even have characters react to the reveal by saying "Dragon is Garp's son?!" and Garp doesn't correct them. He just goes "oops!"
@@BomberTM yeah true
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Broooo . I founded your channel a week ago and am now in that binging all videos of yours stage and I must say you are quite formidable at your work when it comes to explaining character motives, little details about the actions and all other story themes that oda says thriugh his story . Keep growing in your work and making ghese good videos and you might gain a new subscriber a few days from now 😅😅😅😅😅 .
the dynamic of garp and ace in the marineford arc is similar to the dynamic of byakuya and rukia in the soul society arc
Another thing I've seen Garp criticized is his "abusive" way of raising Luffy, but I always thought part of the reason he raised him in so radical a manner is that he's trying the opposite of however Dragon was raised, in hopes he reaches a different path. Maybe Garp had already tried some choices we criticize him for not doing, and grew disillusioned at its results specifically because of how Dragon ended up. It's another layer to making Garp a morally gray and tragic character.
Let's see if Dragon had a comfortable childhood... Interesting theory. I think it's more likely that Dragon went through the same things Luffy did. Garp genuinely believes that it is helpful in strengthening a kid for life, after all
"Because of how Dragon ended up" as if Dragon isn't a good man...
@@MarikitKaNa A terrorist
@MarikitKaNa i dont think Garp has a problem with Dragon as a person, but im sure he's bothered by Dragon trying to tear down the hierarchy through criminal means. Same way he hates what Luffy and Ace had become while loving them
@havewissmart9602 i wouldn't say Dragon was raised comfortably, but I dont think he was raised the same. He hid away Ace because of notorious father. He eventually moved away Luffy there too as Dragon became notorious. I dont believe how Luffy was raised was Garp's first choice. While its a 50/50 on whether Garp was involved with raising Dragon, I think the way Luffy was raised was definitely because of whatever happened with his parents, and I think that definitely influenced how Garp approached Luffy
Me when Morj
garp : a perfect marine.
aukoji : perfect sense of justice
kiazure : puppet
akainu : CANCER.
Man, this by far is the best video on your channel. Period.
He is the second best written character, only behind sanji
Law and d9ffy are better written
@@udayjoshi223 if you just like sad back stories with no character development afterwards sure
awful take. Luffy is by far the best written character
sanji aint even the best written in the crew bro
Luffy, Doffy
I strongly disagree with a lot of what this video says and believe that it gives the World Government way too much leeway. No offense to Morj but a lot of nuance is missing
1. The World Government creates pirates: The world government was directly and indirectly create so many pirates in the one piece world that it makes me think that if they never existed there would be total peace. The World Government created Ace, Roger, Law, Nami, Boa, Jimbe, Arlong, Fisher Tiger, Kuma and WAY more characters in this series and this video in no way mentions that. Also the idea that pirates are capable of doing an Ohara is absolutely insane, Imu HAS DESTROYED TWO islands with a mysterious weapon and we don’t even know what happened during the Void century so i reject the idea pirates have the capability of creating an Ohara like incident because the worse we’ve seen a pirate do is arguably Wano and that is a way better fate to live through than your entire island being vaporized completely
2. The Warlords: The World Government literally teams up with the same dictatorial pirates this video mentions, Crocodile and Doflamingo are some of the most morally corrupt and evil pirates we’ve seen in this series and they were allies of the World Government, its very similar to how the USA supports facist dictators when they overthrew democratic elected governments simply so that they had some influence in the region
3. Propaganda: This video straight up ignores the amount of propaganda the World Government has pumped out into the world and how much people believe it to be true even Moji. There are in no way millions of pirates out there in the one piece world thats a lie. So many characters we’ve met have never even seen a real pirate but they still fear them anyway due to the propaganda by the WGE, they do this to control the masses and make them side with them even though they are the ones that poison their food, water and land be it by immoral experiments by Dr Vegapunk and Dr Ceaser Clown or the spread of disease they failed to stop with Laws home country.
The idea that there is a “right” time to have a revolution is laughable because there never is. Yes people will die and suffer in the short run due to the absence of the world entity that controlled everything but in the long run there will be peace. The Celestial Dragons and Imu will be gone and so will all the horrors they made the people face
Yes, Garp did chose justice and duty over his own family. He did it not to boost his ego, but to show the world that he was still sensible.
He declined being put under the leash of the same reason some of the people chose a life of piracy, being a rebel, or hide somewhere out of World Government's claws. He did things to save innocent people from violent pirates, extremists and criminals.
He fought for justice. He fought for what he sees was truth.
The downsides are, he chose to be mute for what is really happening. He saw what Celestial Dragons and the World Government had done to the same people he supposed to protect, turning a blind eye to the enslavement rampages of the clowns in fishbowl and spacesuits. He ignored the corruption of the same department he was. He just watched as his own family torn apart, just for the justice he knew. He let his friends on both sides take the flak. He let his son rebel. He let his grandson suffer. He let Dadan grieve. He failed Gold Roger. He failed the innocents victimised by the Celestial Dragons and the Pirates.
Yes, Garp was a gray moral boundary between chaotic and anarchistic ways of those who wanted freedom, and the fakery of the government he serves and the rules it made.
Garp was written like that to see if there were someone still good on this world.
I just love how @Mr Morj is so analytically comprehensive when it comes to literature. He breaks the story so well that it becomes more enjoyable when we get a better perspective on Oda's work and intention with the story. I'm so glad for having Morj in OP community 💯👍
I can never forgive Garp. Luffy’s negative reactions every time he sees Garp kind of says he’s got some real child abuse trauma. He also was well aware the Marines were killing pregnant women and babies and did nothing. People all the time talk about how much it hurt him that Ace was killed, but he was still actively a participant in his murder. He puts his job above innocent lives.
Bro didn't watch the video🤦🏾♂️
@@51_qe3 I did. I just disagree.
Garp is like Luffy. He believes in his dream to a tee. He believes in law, and Luffy believes in freedom.
Garp is hands down my favorite character in the whole series.
I have a theory about why 3 Monkey D chose a different path.
Garp was born and grew up during the high of Rock Pirates's reign of terror. That's mean he saw the worst of the pirates. So it's was normal for him to have to step up and defend people's freedom from Rock. Roger was exceptional as a heroic rogue that meets Garp when he was marine.
Dragon, on the other hand. Saw what happened to his hometown Goa Kingdom has done to Grey Terminal during Celestial Dragon visited (not to mention he might see the same situation when he was on travel). That means he saw the worst of the government have done. That's why he became a revolutionary.
Luffy has the same experience as Dragon. But because he has Shanks as a father figure and was raised by honorable bandits (under Garp training). That means Luffy has a firm believer that he can do what he wants to do (exploring and saving people) if he becomes an outlaw.
This is your best video since the OG Shanks Elbaf video
I think if Garp is a leader of SWORD then it would hammer home that point that he cant go against the marines due to everything hes been working towards. After being one of the few high up good examples in the marines, what kind of message does it show if the greatest marine of all time suddenly loses all faith in the marines. What does that tell the next generation. That its just hopeless? Hes in such a tough spot and I genuinely believe one of the most underrated characters in the series. So giving him a big role like the founder of SWORD would really help show the true dilemma hes in and will help show that everything he sacrificed will be worth it in the end if they achieve their goals.
man this is such a good video. i haven't read one piece in a while and this made me remember how important marines like garp, koby, aokiji, and smoker are. pirates are not the good guys, we're just following the story of a good pirate
I disagree. The marines were mostly incompetent during Marineford and are the same after timeskip. For example Arlong was occupying and terrorizing Nami's village for what 10 years and the Marines weren't even aware of that if I remember correctly. Kid was massacring civilians since pre-timeskip and the one to take him down was Shanks not the Marines. The worst of the worst pirates out there is Blackbeard and he's never shown killing civilians for the fun of it. Maybe he has, it's just not mentioned. If the Marines were doing such a good job protecting the civilians there wouldn't be that many pirate attacks on different islands. Even if we exclude Ohara, the Marines did exactly nothing when the nobles tried to massacre the Goa kingdom's poor. So, they just serve as enforcers for the world nobles with the occasional capture of pirates of the caliber of captain Kuro (but dumber) to keep appearances.
This is intentional since we are in the POV of pirates. And OP is ideal and Oda romanticize piracy which is good for storytelling though it should fool the audience
Garp probably didn't know how evil the celestial dragons were until he started moving up in the marines he probably joined under the perception of an ordinary civilian
All very true. One of the coolest things about one piece is that we follow a very small snapshot - strawhats, red hair, revolutionary. They’re the current generation. 3 of the most notorious organizations in the world, and honestly in history. But we just happen to be following them and know that they’re forces of good. We got a good look at other noble legends like Roger and Whitebeard, we saw what happened to Ace, and we’ve seen plenty of the evil side of the marines. This is all on purpose of course, making it very easy for us to see the marines as the main enemy. But when we look beyond our snapshot and view the world as a whole, most people see the complete opposite and for very good reason. Most people aren’t from Ohara, most people don’t know who luffy or shanks are outside of their bounty pictures. Most people have their lives threatened or ruined by pirates and are saved by the Garps and Kobys. And that matters, it’s not like they’re just living some lie. That’s the real truth of the world, even though the government is hiding serious stuff it’s not like people are being brainwashed. The marines really are largely a force of good fighting a force of evil, while also protecting a force of evil. It’s all very complex
Thank you for this! So many misunderstand Garp, even his conversation with Ace beforehand shows how mad he is this has to be done, he’s asking ace why he didn’t just listen to him and become a marine, I also think there is a level of respecting what ace has chosen as his path
Geez these videos are so fucking good