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Destroyer: The U-Boat Hunter is an interactive war thriller which seamlessly blends tactical WW2 anti-submarine warfare simulation with a gripping storyline, presented through Hollywoodesque, interactive cutscenes. Take command of a meticulously reconstructed Fletcher-class destroyer and lead your crew against U-Boats in the Battle of the Atlantic!
WW2 was 80 years ago but if you ever have visited some of these ships it’s still amazing to see what technology they did have. Imagine being a kid on some rural farm and then being assigned to a ship with sonar, radar, and fire control computers (analog of course) it would have seemed like a spaceship. The technological jump from WW1 to WW2 is astounding. And even the jump in technology from the start of the war to the end is mind boggling.
And then on to 50s tech onwards
well put!
That's what war does, it speeds up progress. Better technology=better power=war victory
I mean if we had never had big wars and had been a very pasifistic species, we'd most likely not be at the technological level we are today, because we'd lack that drive to improve stuff to get that upper hand in wars.
yeah, when my grandmother was born horses were still heavily used, they had to fetch water, and seeing a plane was an event. When died with AI spaceX and social medias. this generation have seen the most mind boggling changes in human history
I think the thing that impresses me most about this is the crew communications. Super immersive and sounds great!
They are!
@@Wolfpack345FULL RELEASE IS OUT !!!!! you gonna make a video??
@@Wolfpack345 just released this morning......wanted to keep you updated
At 19:12 he shifts from the sonar room, and the voice making a report as combat (XO?) switches from radio quality to sounding like he’s in the room. That’s pretty cool attention to detail.
That's such a nice touch.
Very Diogetic, I think it's called. there's feedback from the game depending on what you do. like how you actually need to push a button on a machine in a game to make machine do stuff... like put coin in slot, push button, get soda. rather than just 'click machine, soda comes out'.
Tom Hanks though had to dodge torpedoes fired at his ship. The game devs say that feature is coming to the game. Can't wait!
Haha yeah that will certainly be exciting!
@@Wolfpack345 Exciting, but probably not realistic. I imagine very few sub captains would waste a torpedo on an escort in that era. (Of course now he would shoot them first.) Great video!
@@billbrowning3021 they did say they will likely only take shots at you if they are desperate or you've been going straight and slow or stopped for a bit
It's just one of those things the movie largely overlooked, destroyers were very seldom targeted once the "hunt" was on, a destroyer on the prowl and sonar manned will hear and see the torpedo coming long before impact.
A potential problem would have been Uboats targeting unsuspecting destroyers and then simply picking apart convoys.
But the issue with that is the destroyers would have spotted a Uboat getting into position on radar long before it dove to periscope depth to lay in wait.
In addition, the German Torpedo Data Computer couldn't handle multiple targets at once such as those on U.S subs, which would have been a nie on indispensable tool in exactly such scenarios!
@@billbrowning3021 There were more warships sunk by torpedoes than you would think. Both in the Atlantic and Pacific. Sure, a lot of these were unsuspecting but there are instances where torpedoes were fired in self defense. Hardly unheard of.
uboat.net/allies/merchants/warships.html
15:20 - I wouldn't call it automation. DDs were not crewed by 1 man nor was 1 man responsible for every station. That is crew updates, as it should be. Something I wish more simulation style games would consider.
Them: Let's model every station with uber realism!
Also them: Let's have the player do the job of a full 10 man crew!
Yeah the ideal in my book is to have the stations all modelled as accurately as they can be with crew that performs tasks as realistically as possible too- the hard part is making their interactions as seamless and granular as they should be in reality, things such as working with other AI crewmen and being able to carry out 'general' or 'standing' orders without specifically laying out what they need to do, without it feeling very artificial and 'pre programmed' is quite difficult, but we're probably at the point now where coding such things is feasible, if not very difficult. Of course I also want me 'let the player do the job of a 10 man crew' as an option available too for fun reasons, maybe that's an optional 'hardcore' mode
AI is difficult to 'get right' and even major developers have seemingly giving up on it. Think of DCS and ARMA: 20 years of development, popular sims, still releasing new content, pretty terrible AI. As a long time sim enthusiast, it's just depressing and I don't see any signs of improvement.
Sadly, a small dev team, probably without any long-term support planed, isn't going to change this.
@@fonesrphunny7242 Writing good AI is really hard.
Training AI means the AI will go for what you measure, not what you want.
Example: have a 6 legged bot (shorter upper leg, long lower leg) walk with minimum foot contact to the surface. They will jump, they may balance on one leg while jumping …
But some will find a way to move without any foot-surface contact at all: say, flip over and walk on their upper leg joints to the lower legs which stay in the air at all times.
It is minimising exactly what you told it to minimise …
@@advorak8529 I'm well aware, but it doesn't make it any better. The old devs barely made any progress and the young ones usually lack the experience.
Maybe we'll get some decent AI middleware, so AI becomes more approachable in the near future. I don't even want something human-like, but any improvements that would benefit simulations.
@@fonesrphunny7242 AI success has been around the corner since before 1960.
Besides your _old devs_ and _young ones_ argument makes little sense: if the experienced devs made barely any progress then lack of experience is not a problem …
AI is difficult. We are making great progress with machine learning, though.
Wolf getting carried by bots is hitting kind of different XD Also I just gotta say this is an amazing game, mechanically and graphically, the water physics, the ship models, the lighting reflecting off of your equipment on the map. Absolutely gorgeous, like a Crack addict I want more.
I am in love with this game
The Fletchers had a horrendous turning circle (something like 950 yards at 30 knots vs 350 yards at 20 knots for a Cannon-class DE) so I can see why trying to maneuver into a perfect position to drop DCs on a maneuvering U-boat would be incredibly difficult.
Not being entirely fair with that comparison: a ship travelling quickly will naturally have much wider turning radii than the same ship at slower speeds.
That being said, Fletchers did have quite wide turning circles due to the single (somewhat small) rudder design they utilized. The US Navy rectified this somewhat with the late-war Allen M. Sumner-class DDs, but that's beyond the scope of this game...
I always have to fight the urge to not use auto-plot on these kinds of games. I mean, it's not like there isn't someone one these ships whose specific task is to do the plotting for the captain. Problem being, the plotting is kind of my favorite part. One way or another, these games make the combat workload unrealistically high because you're tasked with the job of like 5 or 6 dudes who each have their own guys working for them
on these types of simulators i use the pause button frequently to keep from being overwhelmed especially when the action gets thick. Too much workload for 1 person
Like the AA Soviet simulator
It was fun listening to how pumped you were to have sunk contact able haha
It is so rewarding!
I've had a word with the AI captains sir - they've agreed not to do quite so well next time. 😁
GOOD!
Love your content Wolfpack! Excited to see more
Thanks! There is more on the way!
11:28 Wolfpack was so close to coming around full circle. 😆
I still maintain that U BOAT needs the commotion this game has. All the talking and updates pulls you in way more than the mostly dead silence in U BOAT that makes u feel alone on the boat
Pretty cool! Wish there was more info "after the fact" like being able to see damage done to uboat, or have an instant replay video
Either way pretty cool chasing around uboats and blowing em out of the water!
Keep em coming!!!!
I hope the Devs make it in game to promote veteran crews, and ships! By the way love the circle pattern, that has to intimidate the enemy sub.
The fact that the GQ pipe stated “Set condition Zebra throughout the ship” and the bridge got a manned and ready report tells me the developers really tried and had me impressed. It’s a simple detail that they could have just left out and most people would not have even noticed.
I absolutely LOVED Greyhound. It was the last movie I watched with my dog, Cotton, before she passed from a heart attack in the middle of the night. She will always be my Greyhound.
The technology then… imagine what they have now… love your videos. Keep up the good work.🤟🏻
How many games are Tom Hanks simulators? Let's start a list!
MS Flight Simulator. "Sully"
Stranded deep. "Cast away"
The entirety of Medal of Honor, Saving Private Ryan
Kerbal Space Program. "Apollo 13"
Black ops 1. "Forrest Gump"
Prison Architect - Shawshank redemption.
My Gramps served on the USS Benson (DD-421) during WWII so this is very much on my radar (pun intended). Glad to see this game, and Greyhound bringing some attention to the service of the Tin Can sailors!
Thank you. I appreciate your style no matter what game you choose to share
My first run at this game did not end well. Way too confusing and hard to understand what is happening in the battle space. This video makes it look easy! Well done!!
i do love a game with a good learning curve, going from clunky to efficient
Every time I see you have a new video out, that automatically makes my day 1000 percent better, no matter what! Keep up the great work Wolfpack! :)
Glad to hear it!
Try, instead of running in tight circles, to back off and approach again from a distance.
One manoeuvre you can use is turn the ship 45° into one direction at hard rudder, then throw the rudder hard over for a 270° turn, then throw the rudder over for another 45° ... and you should be exactly where you were, just going the other direction.
And with other escorts keeping tabs on the contact, you can do that at maximum speed. Actually, while they keep you updated on the sub's position, you can attack them from maximum speed, giving them little time to evade, and as your ASDIC won't work --- and the sub knows that --- the sub might think you don't know where they are. Or the other way around, make sure your ASDIC is not pinging the boat and slowly make your way to it based on the reports from the escorts ... then unload on them. Or do that switching between the escort and you attacking the sub.
Oh, and if you have a radar contact, it may be a good idea to turn so all your turrets can throw shells at them, and use illumination rounds only after you lost radar contact. More shells incoming equals larger chance of one of them ruining the sub commander's day --- or what is left of him.
you should make youtube videos playing this game
I recently recommended this to a recently retired Lt. Commander who’s piloted ships and is certified in Anti-Submarine warfare.
He turned down the opportunity to command a cruiser (I think) with a commander rank and retired to civilian life. He really seems like a stand-up guy.
Who knows, this might scratch his itch and keep him from asking, “What if?”
cool to see the sub hunter perspective, very busy and loud compared to the u-boat quietness. hard to tell from that sub camera how many hits they took but it seemed like a crap load.
Finally sunk a Uboat with depth charges and it was amazing. I play at least one round a day, can't wait to see how the game develops and what kind of mods come out.
Give us some good old silent hunter videos.
Maybe, after 17 years, Wolfpack got a bit tired of playing Silent Hunter 3. So many new decent games out there like U-Boat and this.
Man as a prior squid that general quarters 1MC announcement always gets me. Only missing “up and forward port down and aft starboard”
This is a great showing of what to expect from this game! Really nice!
Shame that there’s no feature where you can be taunted by the U-Boat captain over the shipboard phone, unfortunately, so my hopes for fully immersing myself in the Definitive Tom Hanks Experience™️ with this game are somewhat dashed.
That would be pretty inaccurate historically as the U-Boats didn't have any type of voice communication other than a megaphone....
@@majormattmason8408 Shush you.
Holy crap! A Naval game that gets it mostly correct?! Only a couple of phrases missing from the GQ announcement. "General Quarters, General Quarters! All hands man your battle stations. Move up and forward on the starboard side. Down and aft on the Port side. Set material condition Zebra throughout the ship. Reason for General Quarters; Enemy submarine contact. :then it repeats one time:" But the DRT, MoBoards, sound powered phone comms, the back lit info board, the coordination between ships, the use of CBDR... I think I'm in love.
39:15 Maybe you've got the most experienced sub commander, so of course he's making it hard for you.
I love watching you play this game, you truly are in your element, the tension feels legitimate and it's extremely entertaining. Your sim vids are some of my most favorite!
"There's Two Types of Ships, Submarines and Targets " hallo from a Silent Hunter commander :)
I hold my life standards from emulation of tom hanks, cant wait until it gets released
Lets see a type 7 broadside a fletcher with the 88 lmao
One destroyer to rule them all, one sonar to find them. One convoy to bring them all and in the darkness sink them, In the Atlantic ocean where dead sailors lie.
Beautiful dance with Able. I think the AI take more time to attack, trying to align himself more with the target, BUT the AI allows the subs to have more time windows to attack the convoy. It's my impression.
I'm not sure whether he cleared the plotted course at 19:00 because it started to become confusing or because his course was about to get him demonetised
The strongest battle pattern
@@godlugner5327 the superior patter engineers like to use and architects hate
Great commentary! I bought this a couple of weeks ago and love it. Microsoft had a sub game years back where you could set all the plotting to manual. Starting in auto TRR and DRT really helps but, if this is anything like the plotting in the old MS game, manual plotting will just make you better. Also, I haven't seen an AI sub in this game retreat yet. Always assume that their base course is the convoy, no matter how many hits.
At last the most advanced guessing game in existence.
I remember standing Radar, Dead Reckoning Table (DRT), and Maneuvering Board (MOBOARD) watches (not at the same time) during the 80s and thinking this is something that could be easily automated. I preferred MOBOARD as it was the most challenging mathematically. These watches could get really boring when there were no other ships around.
I was lost and confused the entire time but had a great time watching.
I am really excited to play this one. I do love U-boat but this seems a little less busy which I would enjoy. Thanks for sharing Wolfpack. I love the content. You and a couple other creators have inspired me to start my own channel.
This shows that how difficult it must have been for the detroyers to sink just one Uboat, don't know how hard it would be irl though! BTW love your video Wolfpack!
most likely harder since they couldn't teleport to be at every station with first-hand information and no delay or info-degradation due to poor callouts^^
Nothing beats Destroyer Comand.
Very cool! I can only imagine wolf was commanding that very illusive sub in a different game at some point.
I think youtube has a spy on board, because I just got an ad for a Mariners school. 😂 Remember, loose lips sink ships! 😁
I like games where you actually train your brain, but the problem is always if you hadn't had a chance to play for some time and you have to relearn everything in the middle of a fight.
I never enjoyed sim-games that puts ALL the work on the player, especially when it comes to something like dealing with complex worktasks - so having auto-mapping of estimated sub-location is totally fine and dun break immersion for me. It's nice to just have info and make choices based on that info.
This guy describe in words: beast with no nationality.
He can be a Russian Tank Commander/Gunner/Driver, a German Tank Commander/Gunner/Driver, a U-boat captain, a Admiral, a Destroyer captain, a FUCKING Pilot.
Hahaha thank you;
I would pay so much for uboat and this game mixed together in multiplayer. The uboats have to sink as much shipping as possible and destroyers obviously have to protect the shipping
You didn't hallucinate, there is a bug. They verbally said deep, but text said shallow.
Hey man, I dont know if it works in the game or not, I dont have it, but ...
When you're pursuing a contact and you're at speed, if that contact makes an evasive maneuver, try throttling down and turning hard into the targets turn, it should whip your stern about and bring your bow on station faster. When your close to your targets bearing, throttle up again. Fish tail into your targets turns. Slowing down will help the turn
That was freaking awesome dude, really enjoyed watching u play and the I'm the dead weight was hilarious
Difficult to understand what is going on.....but looks cool
It would be great if the destroyers had hedgehogs to use against the submarines.
It's a strange feeling seeing the uboat war from the destroyers' perspective after having watched Das Boot several times and having spent countless hours playing Silent Hunter III.
Today I was in deep thinking about space combat and general warfare.
In theory there would be situations like this. With long time pauses between actions and ponderating actions to predict where and what enemy will do in an hypothetical space engagement.
It's important to understand that with current technologies war in space is possible but at the same time it will be looking like a long kind of naval engagement.
Due to long distances weapons like rockets and missiles powered by chemical thrusters will have relatively short range. While kinetic weapons, even if still based on chemical elements would have a more longest range.
Weapons like lasers, despite we have that kind of technology, would have little to no power to cover those long distances that there are in space without seeing a loss of power of the laser beam.
So I guess that an initial engagement will start with the recognition of the enemy, then the occupation of a proper orbit that will bring both ships in contact (eventually, if the enemy will not try to avoid the contact) and then the engagement by itself will start with an initial exchange of long range shells. Like in old battleships battles. Kinda like Battle of Jutland.
With ships that equal the speed and direction to be able to exchange shoots.
Of course here it changes a lot the effectiveness of the battle due to the technology used.
In case of just guns with tracking devices there would be some chances to hit the enemy ship, but these are not that high.
Interestingly we Italians have developed a gun that have laser-guided shells that suits really well this situation. Indeed, if you shoot a salvo that can hit the enemy because the shells themselves are guided to the target, that would be excellent.
But in case such technology is not available the distance between ships will be reduced to increase the chance to hit the target.
So at that point the exchange of fire will involve eventually also lasers and missiles if present.
Lasers eventually can easily destroy sensible hardware of the enemy ship. If, for example, your ship is able to hit enemy thrusters or sensor arrays, that's a win. Total. Because enemy will not have the time to repair or return home to repair or again counterattack. So they will be in your hands.
I guess that this will soon or later also push for a better development of hulls and defenses. Also for the design of the ships in order to give the enemy less chances as possible to hit critical systems.
At close range, it's reasonable to assume that both ships will mutually destroy themselves, so both crews will try to avoid close quarters combats. Also because there's also the dangerous situation of being forced to ram the enemy causing fatal damages to both ships and resulting in the destruction of both. So it's highly reasonable to assume that no one wants to reach close distances.
But in the case when one of the two ships in medium range engagement will try to leave, that's the perfect moment to hit and win the battle since the ship that leaves must show its main thruster to the enemy (if ship configuration is shaped around current technological design with backward thrusters and forward weaponry). As I said, if you cripple their chance to move, then you can maneuver around them and avoid their weapons while you can still attack. It's a win situation.
Yeah space combat engagements looks theorically a real trouble. 🤔
I wonder what kind of navigation system we could use on these ships... we can use GPS using Earth as reference point for navigation... but if we are not around Earth, that will be a trouble. So we need better navigation systems. Not to mention also sensors. Radars are a capital asset to have on the ship, but I guess that the other necessary equipment will be a range of thermal sensors around the whole ship. Except maybe in the backward where thrusters will turn those sensors useless. So that's another blind spot. Engagements could start considering this idea and see ships trying to reach a position behind their targets to avoid tracking and have surprise effect on enemy or just avoid tracking from enemy on board weaponry. Like in conventional sea engagements, positioning will be an essential element to win a battle. 🤔
I just imagine that the command center of a spaceship will look like that Fletcher-class tactical bridge.
Analysis of data in space will be another essential element to win the battle. So its reasonable to think there will be powerful mainframes on the ships for that purpose and also to carry the ship with a small crew. Unless you're not fighting around Earth, in space combat there are pretty much no escape pods able to keep you alive long enough to be rescued. Small amounts of breathable air against the longest distances the rescues have to cover to get the safe boat means that every survivor will probably die in space.
So it's kinda probable that if a space battle ends with a clear winners and losers, the winners will carry home the losers and take them into custody until the war ends. Prisoners of war essentially.
That will be more human than leave people stuck in space to die for the impossibility to recover them.
It's probable that eventual future war laws conventions about space warfare will impose this kind of actions to all victorious ships against enemy losing ships.
That would be probably ignored only in the case the winning ship is also in danger of survival, so they will be probably excused and excluded by the obligation of rescue the enemy crew and return strictly back to their base. 😑
War is war... even in space...
I love the current FRV's (a LOT more than the older, thinner coveralls) but our old uniforms went so hard
you mean the dungarees or dress blues.
awesome run sir...enjoyed it...every nail biting minute.
Thanks!
After a drunken night out followed by a dodgy kebab, I've too have dropped some depth charges early.
Supreme thank you..enjoy watching you go at it..
Awesome video sir. Thank you for sharing.
Wolfpack345 this is Uboot U-107, I got some message from BdU, Carefull mate the greywolf is so very hungry Howl 🐺🐺
Man, I love this new game!
It`s time for a great destroyer sim. I have played one in the very past on a Commodore Amiga. I played for years Silent hunter 3.
menu and UI remminiscent to Silent Hunter series
It has potential; here is hope the devs finish the game. I bought it on Destroy Command nostalgia.
Wow! This has improved a bit since my last look. May have to revisit this one.
It's pretty solid!
This is like the Naval Version of GHPC or Ground Branch.
I feel like the best option for the sub to evade would probably to head towards the convoy ships, that way the destroyers cant follow without risking a collision
Wolfpack getting carried by bots :P
This game with multi-crew would be INSANE lol. If only.
The developers are interested in adding multi crew:)
@@Wolfpack345 that'd be epic
Love it . Tea and medals all round.
Taking into account all the activities associated with this game it makes sense to automate. Perhaps a multiplayer facet?
It’s funny lol on my ship we still used the DRT
Nothin better to watch while on lockdown!
Also cant wait for when you have to dodge torps
Edit: I am okay, no one was injured. Don’t worry
imagine this and the subs controlled by U-Boat players
I would love some quick explanation on what the TRR thing mean...
This game is fantastic so far. I hope you do your own tutorial on all of the instruments and the data they are showing. Are you doing the early access for the next Uboat update? I read it’s available to some three days early.
No competition my foot!
I think you're firing off the depth charges too early - after your boat passes over the sub sonar enters a dead zone, but you have to trust your course and throw the charges right in front of the sub, not right on it since it the sub passes by before they blow up
I was about to comment on how the preview window was showing the wrong contact just as you noticed. It must have been selected in the contacts screen
Yeah it is a minor bug. The devs are working on it
Able took one hell of a beating
I know it's realistic and accurate but there is something so *jarring* about hearing the old US phonetic alphabet after learning the NATO one
Yeah it throws me off haha
Hello Wolfpack!
One of everybody here, we love your vids !
Thank you!
Dont forget to pray for the lost 50 souls. 😅
the only thing about this game that needs improvement is the depth charge attack screen, its focusing on other uboats being depth charged so its harder to tell whether you hit your target.
Great video. I am getting this game as I do with most the games you play. But I was gonna see if you could do a bit of a guide/tips/history video for us that know a ton about ww2 aviation, but know zero about floaters. Lol. Your help I top of game guide would be amazing, and like I said a bit of history to round it out as you do so well. God bless man.
That is a good idea!
Yes!
OH the Shame....It would be to have the AI carry you 😁.....I really like this one.
So Refreshing to see a DEV put AI that is not BRAINDEAD in the Game. Way to go
it's a great game, I'm 35 hrs or so in, and I really hope it gets better and better
@wolfpack345 have you played Enigma: Rising Tide Its nearly 20 years old now. Its claims to fame were a really well done sea-state. you really felt waves. AND ALSO working voice control. Its old, it feels its age, but that voice control really made it stand out, 20 years ago. I switched to SH3 from it.
I’ve been contemplating buying this game. Maybe if I rewatch Greyhound and finish this video it’ll make me get it 😅
love this and Grayhound
Try dodge two torpedo like in greyhound
@El Chupa Nibre they do especially since the germans and brits do not use the magnetic detonators since they have the tendency to not just not work.
Digging the Destroyer gameplay big 🐕; moarrrrrr
I can chase down the u-boats relatively well but I just sh!t the bed when I get over top of them. I just can't hit them with the depth charges. I've played a full hour game and then like a half hour partial game and only maybe hit one a couple times (no kills).
I know how to read the sonar TRR correctly too (did the tutorial and sank the u-boat with my first DC deployment). I just have no idea what to do, or how to time the charges, when I'm right over or very near the enemy.
What will happen when CAS will arrive? Instant victory or there really will be planes flying around and literally carpet bombing those submarines? Because they arrived and, well, 'we're gonna patrol ahead of convoy' and that's all.
No, they will just have a better time spotting the target. In the real world, the clear Pacific in calm and bright conditions allowed Japanese planes to see US subs at up to 50m (150 ft) submerged. The Atlantic is better for submarines.
If you are lucky, the aerial support will have a few depth charges, and rockets and guns against surfaced subs.
In the real world, after mid-1943, you could encounter them having a Mark 24 mine (anti-sub passive acoustic homing torpedo) and/or, if they are multi-crew planes, they might have passive, omnidirectional sonobuoys (6 independent radio channels) with an operator switching between the buoys and working on volume. Hunter-killer groups, built around an escort carrier ("normal" carrier, just "slow) and escorts, e.g. DDs, DEs ... used both in combination with good effects.
Love that content... playing the game also.. but similar than GHPC there is a little lag of content... but absolute worth the money
loving this