Voices of the Past - I appreciate your efforts... m.ua-cam.com/video/jnIRVJ4kuZc/v-deo.html but some of the paintings and artworks depicting the natives of the Philippines that you've used in the video were created during the American period, and they are not accurate because the Americans had mixed Pacific Islander and Native American costumes in their depictions of the natives of the Philippines... meanwhile the Spanish who actually made contact with the natives didn't depict them wearing such things. www.quora.com/Why-are-the-Spaniards-and-the-Americans-constantly-demonized-in-the-Filipino-education-system/answer/Dayang-Marikit?ch=10&share=c32b7592&srid=iQMbJ For example, the grass skirts at 0:49, 10:48 and feathered headdresses at 9:28 were not a "thing" in the Philippines, especially for the "Indianized lowland cultures" whom Magellan encountered, they rather wore a turban like cloth around their heads which is called a (putong). Lapu-Lapu migrated to Mactan from Borneo which is South of the Philippines and is much much closer to the Indianized cultures of Indonesia... the Boxer Codex is a far more accurate depiction of the natives at the time of initial contact with the Spanish. i.redd.it/fgqem2fh2kc01.jpg Here are other image made by the Spanish. 66.media.tumblr.com/6e40bd1f8a05781a721bab69029346cc/tumblr_o7cizf8z7p1rsqusgo7_640.png akopito.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/historia-de-las-islas-e-indios-visayas-2.jpg Recreated costumes. i.pinimg.com/originals/d1/c8/0e/d1c80e5ef284ff5934fe630c036ba5de.jpg And those whom they mentioned were partially naked were peasants and slaves. upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c4/Visayans_1.png By the way, I've noticed that you've uploaded an incomplete version of the accounts because a lot of things are out of context... I think that you should have made this into a series instead.... by the way I suggest for you to watch the lecture made by Dr. Capistrano Baker about pre-colonial Philippines at the Asia Society Museum in NYC. m.ua-cam.com/video/U_BjtFu7L38/v-deo.html
Yeah this was a thing in East Asian nations, Isolationism. It was a dumbass shit back in the day that prevented any development Had we embraced the world, we could've been more developed
@@fichehwang732 NO! So-called "isolationism" DID NOT bring colonization! Evil invaders and criminal colonizers brought you their criminal colonization. Away with the 'victim blaming', the self-pity and the self-flagellation and the sense of insecurity, and the lack of self-pride. Koreans problems have not been because Koreans DID THE RIGHT THING by minding their own business (isolationism) and not invading and ravaging others. You see, Hwang, in the recent past 'Age of Ignorance' you will find that the general prevailing ignorance manifested itself differently in different groups of humans on the planet. If Koreans were so-called 'isolated' but Self-developed, then no evil invaders and criminal colonizers would have dared breech the Korean nation. Self-development means knowing who you truly are. And in knowing who you truly are, your ACTIONS will naturally breed the kind of reactions that would have been only in your favor. I may not be Korean; but I find many things fine and fascinating about how Koreans chose to live with themselves. As a result, I can tell you that so-called "isolationism" has been the least of Koreans problems with invaders.
The Dutch were probably fairly offended over the fact that Koreans did not distinguish them from the Portuguese. Like they did not just have the 80-year war just to be confused with their enemy.
If you're a reader check out Shogun by James Clavell. The same thing happens in Japan and the author illustrates it pretty hilariously. There was a part where the Japanese ask what's the difference and the guy says religion. Then the ask 'but you're both talking about Jesus Christ' and the other European goes 'yes but they're doing it wrong' lol. I'm not quoting exactly but that part took me back to the story.
Derick Ofodirinwa the Japanese where shocked by the Dutch because that’s when they learned the pope didn’t have all the power the Portuguese said they had. Also mentions of numerous differences by the Japanese between the two peoples. Remember the Dutch were able to trade when other couldn’t with japan
The Dutch where not so powerful or organized as the Portuguese, and theyr intentions where much more economic then religious like the Portuguese. Years later, the Japanese and Koreans after the Portuguese arrive they expelled them to lately regret and die in the hands of the Dutch.
Some things never change. Koreans still do the same. After work we are held captive at happy hour parties, forced to dance and sing, and they make comments about your looks!
Yeah he was basically under captive due to Joseon Korea's isolationist policy. He was basically at the mercy of the commanders that he was with, and some treated him cruelly, which might have negatively colored his impression of Korea.
@@indiciaobscure I mean, their source for a lot of the stuff about temperament was from the Japanese who had been trying to conquer Korea around the time of the account so it's a useful resource for a different reason.
"They're much afraid of the sick particular those who has contagious dis tempest and therefore they presently remove them..." so this is why South Korea is so successful in combating the coronavirus.
@Nikolaij Brouiller That is true! In very rural county sides long time ago, probably a few today. It's a social problem in Korea too and we're trying to break it down. Happy to see foreigners like you acknowledge the problem. Keep on the study!
In the Dutch town of Gorinchem, part of Hamel's house still stands today. It's now used as a museum detailing the life of Hendrick Hamel. I bought a modern translation of his journal there. Really interesting stuff for people interested in early European contact with East Asia or Joseon, I recommend it!
is early modern Dutch hard to read for modern Dutch speakers? By 1668 English is mostly understandable to modern readers, just some odd word choices and cadence, but the grammar is all there (although for notes, some literary conventions like shortening of words are hard to decode).
@@midshipman8654 Depends really. Dialects in the south are closely related to middle Dutch and early modern Dutch, so people who speak these dialects will have an easy time understanding it. I think it's doable for people in the northern provinces as well.
@@midshipman8654 If people used early modern English pronunciation properly it would probably be more difficult to understand but it is obviously easy to read EME. By the 1600s the Hollandic Expansion started to overtake the Brabantian Expansion that affected Middle Dutch heavily in the high to late medieval period and a lot of the grammar started to become simplified by that time, too, so it should be easy for you to read as a modern speaker.
I have been for my video series on Dutch cities and history. Gorinchem is a pretty town as well as Woudrichem with the Loevestein castle at the other side of the river. In Noord Holland there's a town called de Rijp, which was the home town of Jan Jansz Weltevree, the Dutch person who was in Korea before Hamel, but couldn't escape due to the isolation policy. In de Rijp there's a statue consisting of him but made out of Korean products like cameras, radios, cars and guns.
Hamel was not the first Dutchman in Korea at the time. When Hamel was brought to the king, a Dutch-Korean interpreter (Jan Jansz. Weltevree) came to the palace. Hamel was very surprised about this. Jan Jansz. Weltevree was in the palace for 26 years and was also an adviser to the king. He married a Korean and had two children. According to Jan Jansz. Weltevree there were also other Dutch stranded on the coast of Korea and even served the Korean army. Foreigners stranded on the coast of Korea were never allowed to leave the country. After Hamel was fully integrated into Korean society, Hamel managed to escape Korea after 13 years.
Tartars in China has many meanings. It can refer to tartars , and can also refer to other nomads . For example, tartars here means Manchus. Tatar used to be a contempting word which is used to call invading nomads. So at that time, Koreans really despise Qing dynasty and see them as brutal invaders to Ming dynasty.
He was probably referring to the western tartars from Ukraine, which, to Europeans, would extend to all nomadic peoples of central asia, the same way the koreans were referring to all europeans as portugese.
How does this channel not have ten million subscribers?! I absolutely love this channel, an awesome way to learn straight from the source, no filter. Excellent work man, keep on keeping on!
It is actually scary to me that we're such a small community in appreciation of this fundamental culture, the world is a scary dark place where anything horrible can happen at any moment due to widespread ignorance
Update: I just signed up for Magellan TV using the link for the free month and subsequently signed up for the full year for about 60 bucks or 5 per month. After 2 minutes of exploring, I can tell you that this is more than worth it if you like documentaries; I'm just sad I haven't signed up for Magellan until now. Thank you for making these incredible videos. Voices of the Past & History Time are two of the best channels on UA-cam. Definitely signing up for the Magellan free trial.
Yeah I get it. Joseon Dynasty was a quite closed era in korean history. Well instead Goryeo Dynasty before that, many merchants from other countries visited and cell their goods very well. Arabians who visited Goryeo Kingdom,they spread the word call 'Korea'.
4:14 "Koreans are addicted to stealing...", as a Korean I would like to give an explanation for this. Hamel might have misinterpreted Korean culture of sharing. Koreans tend to burrow stuffs without asking the owner. Mostly they give it back when they're done with their business. This is because currency transmission was strongly prohibited in Joseon period(commoners were not allowed to accumulate their private assets through business), and there was a severe lack of resources due to the frequent invasion from Japan and China. There would have been like a single hammer in a whole town, just imagine how chaotic it would have been. Culture is just embodied from economic and political circumstances, there aren't any conducts without reasons.
They knew about Magellan because he was killed in the Philippines, one of China's favored trade route. East Asia were also much aware about the Spanish colonization to the point it led the Japanese to want to stay in isolation for a while
After a decade in Korea, I miss an ondal so much. - 20C outside and you can turn that thing on for an hour, sleep on a mat all night and turn it back on in the morning, hop in the shower and come out to a nice toasty room. Man, do I miss that.
Why are you all forgetting to like these videos?!? It’s insane to me how great these all are on this channel and yet how little likes the videos all have 🤦♂️ what the literal hell is going on here! No respect for true talent, skill, narration skill and overall elegance in making me feel right back in time to experience what is being read. Seriously , amazing work on this channel and thank you so much . Please don’t stop
Hi Voices of the Past, this is the first time I've watched this channel and it's so cool how you found out about this obscure event. I didn't expect people to know about this other than Koreans and experts. After watching this I thought of another historical source related to Korea. It's a diplomatic mission sent by Song China to Korea in 1123 and one of the main members of the mission, Xu Jing (徐兢), wrote in meticulous detail about all that he learned about Korea. Title: . It's a rare gem that reveals much otherwise unknown knowledge about medieval Korea from the Chinese point of view. It's a very different account from Hamel's journal! Actually just thought of a couple other sources but I think this one's good enough for now b/c this comment is already too long 😅
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*blanks on the word rectangle* it's like... You know... Long square Ps. Love those cats. For some reason based on your voice I always inagined you as an old kind proffessor type 🤭
Maybe but probably as explained to them by the European merchants. It was the Europeans that were in the habit of traveling to distant lands. If any East Asians made their way to Europe at the time it would have been on an European vessel.
I just started watching this, and it must be the Portuguese, the first Europeans that arrived in Korea! They were already all over Asia for at least 100 years before any other Europeans arrived!
This is the first account from a foreigner in Korea, but it has been reported that there were Portuguese in Korea before the Dutch. The Portuguese just didn't document it before the Dutch. You snooze you lose I guess.
Fiamo Scarlette I feel like that’s the case with pretty much all countries. Every culture has its own traditional folk songs, sadly many of them here in Sweden are almost entirely forgotten.
Hamel misunderstood the custom of Koreans at the time. It's not stealing because all the people had known each other so long time so they let their people use neighbors stuffs without asking.
He was trying to be objective by european standards of the time but you can tell that he didn't want to be in korea. Back then europeans were obsessed with exploration and these exploration accounts were extremely popular. Some things that sound offensive in its modern translation wouldn't be at the time (for example columbus saying native americans would make good servants meant servants of god not of the europeans).
Being one of the first Europeans (or asians, middle easterners, Indians, Africans, indig. People too) thought for the first time when they came upon a brand new society they knew nothing about. It must’ve been incredible.
I would like an Islamic or Chinese/Japanese account of the Americas during colonization and exploration. Or if not, at least their opinions on the Native Americans.
Johnny James Ferreira What the fuck are you on about? Yes, pre-contact Americans came from northern Asians who crossed to the Americas through Alaska, mainly. There may have been some Polynesian admixture, but very insignificant. That’s what every single piece of evidence points towards.
Johnny James Ferreira The Solutrean Hypothesis has been debunked several times, it’s impossible that western hunter gatherers from THE BAY OF BISCAY paddled from Aquitaine to Newfoundland when the currents in the North Sea would be fighting against them in such a way.
Johnny James Ferreira Any data attributed to “Solutreans” have been mistaken instances of Clovis type lithics, or other such artifacts. This has been since the hypothesis started.
Geo Geo I’m Danish. I’ve lived in America, Canada, Belgium, Japan and Denmark. I don’t give a shit where a lovely person comes from, if I fall in love with them, their personality, life goals and actions are all that matters. I don’t want to live in Korea, because I disagree with many aspects of their society. Then again, that applies to the US as well. That’s why I’m trying to stay in Denmark. I’ll gladly see a future where I have a “mixed race” family growing up here with free education and free healthcare. A great job market and very safe society. Where will you be, rude and ignorant YT user?
He's reading from a translated 17th century Dutch account. It's possible that the modern Dutch word for a rectangle didn't yet exist, so the translation has given a literal English translation of the original Dutch terms. As it is, the modern Dutch word for a rectangle literally translates into English as "straightcorner". English 'rectangle' is itself of Latin origin, meaning nothing more than "right angle" so when we say that a rectangle has four right angles we're saying, in effect, that a 'rightangle' has four right angles. So the irony is that the term used in the video - "long square" (or "longsquare") - is in fact more accurate as a descriptor of a rectangle than anything else. And on further research, the Dutch word of the era for a square was likely 'vierkant' - literally "fourside". Even now, "langvierkant" comes out as "long square" in Google Translate. So there you go.
@Timothy Dexter the way he chooses to speak when he reads how it is written. The accent and tone of voice and how he articulates his words as he reads them. I can't believe I hate to say all this. Pretty silly honestly. I'm asking does he talk like this or just read the texts cool like he does. Maybe he does talk like this. Smh come on. :)
As always, he did fairly good with the info he was given but I have to say its pretty amazing that after telling his own tall tales the traveler is annoyed that the people of Korea were doing the same about his party. Its always fascinating to me just how sepparated the east and western part of the world were for most of history in all ways but trade.
As a Korean, this is a very incredible story and I'm very glad to have watched this video. There's never been a more educational comment section, and I've learnt a lot. To any Dutch people, please forgive my past countrymen for making fun of your noses. Your noses are great! 👍
Haha it's ridiculous for you to ask forgiveness for what they did. They had their own reasons and prejudices. Just like how Europeans tend to be highly prejudiced
What an incredibly ignorant comment.. to say this is an incredible story?.. The Dutch came to Korea at that time already with such incredulous prejudice against Koreans contrived to them by the Japanese whom the Dutch had already became familiar with. The Japanese were very bitter about Koreans after their attempt to invade Korea failed miserably, known as the "Imjin War" right before the Dutch had arrived to Japan.. previous to the Dutch arrival during the invasions of Korea the Japanese pillaged thousands of Korean artifacts and teasures and burned and slaughtered whole villages taking back 10's of thousands of severed Korean noses and ears, of not only soldiers but women, children and common villagers.. and this failed invasion just happened right before the Dutch arrived to Japan. These written accounts by the Dutch were totally written to disparage Koreans in favor of the Japanese counterparts that the Dutch had succesfully established ties with.. by the way you can still see the tomb of 38,000 Korean noses and ears at a monument called Mimizuka established in in Kyoto, Japan to honor their war crimes.
Brilliant yet again. Further more these cultures that excisted hundreds of years ago can teach us a thing or to about living standards & hygiene wouldn't you agree ?
Here's a fun fact: East Asian countries like Korea and Japan (I don't know about China though) thought that cutting hair was a terrible thing because it was given to you by your parents. So that's why back in the medieval times, people had a hair bun.
Don't worry, Hamel eventually Hamel managed to escape to Japan and eventually made it back to his homeland. And Korea's policy was very understandable if you know just how violent and utterly devastating the two Japanese invasions and Manchu take-over were. Also, Korea was a nation run by Confucian ideas to such an extent that they viewed fighting and the military career to be inferior to the path of the scholar. This decision was made at the start of the Joseon Dynasty to contrast it from the turmoil of the previous Koryo Dynasty.
Well put. Sometimes I frankly lament Yi Seong Gye for implementing Confuciousnism into Joseon. As described in the video it rigorously brought good values like relentless honour and respect to parents, but also demotivated and looked down on the military which made the country more susceptible to the worst invasions the government had ever faced.
Hamel and his crew was probably the one of the most unfortunate European to ever visit Korea. Traditionally, China, Korea, Japan and Ryukyu usually treated castaways quite well, providing shelter, clothing and food until they can be sent back to their countries.
well more to add, The reason that Korea did not let Hamel leave is that Korea or Joseon was preparing a conquest of Qing(Which doesn't make sense, but it really happened) and Korea was afraid letting those Europeans go might leak the information of preparing the war...
The Korean transport system is very advanced for the time (though this document obviously can't be fully trusted). It's fascinating to me that travelers can even sleep outdoors. Travel in Europe was much more precarious, and respectable people in cities did not go out at night if they could avoid it. Important people brought guards with them on long journeys, but as they were hired the might flee or join the highwaymen rather than give up their lives defending the property of their rich patrons. Some cultures had posts that would provide fresh horses to those traveling on official business (where we get the term 'post office'), but someone unlucky enough to not reach an inn by nightfall or someone traveling on foot who could not afford proper shelter might find themselves attacked. The safest way to travel as an ordinary person was as a pilgrim traveling to a holy site such as Santiago de Compostela or the Canterbury Cathedral in England (which is why the Canterbury tales include stories from people in different walks of life. Pilgrimages were a great 'equalizer' . You could join groups of other pilgrims, and affordable or free hostels were available, often along with free food which monasteries, convents, or pious individuals would offer as a good deed.
Our name, Korea(918~1392)Joseon(1392~1897)Han Empire(1897~1910)Japan(1910~1945),Han(1945~now). Korea was a commercial people who traded by ship. Joseon was a closed agricultural country. I think it's because of trade that calls us Korea.
Voices of The Past, it's been troubling me for weeks, I want to know what is the outro music around minute 17:08 in the your Viking Funerals eyewitness Ibn Fadlan video is? Please do tell the melody's haunting my head and I want to keep listening 🥺
I'd love a video about the First Fleet meeting the Eora people and describing their culture in the Sydney area of Australia in 1788, but I advise that if you ever make a video like that, you should add a warning for Aborigines that the video may contain images and names of people who have died. In most Aboriginal Australian cultures it's taboo to show any images of a person or to mention their first name after they've died, but if it's necessary a warning is needed so as not to cause distress in people from those cultures.
That's so interesting. I've read that in many Aboriginal cultures certain relatives, like mothers-in law(iirc) are 'off-limits' and considered 'poison'?
It wasn't only Hamel, 3 Dutch became Koreans.... Hamel came late. Hamel could leave our country due to the one of previous Dutch, a warrior official. The other 2 warriors past away during a war sadly.
But did they not mention how the ruler of the Northern part of the country keeps claiming it is the "Best Korea" while launching strange fire spitting projectiles towards other neighbouring lands?
It was always a pain trying to build a pagoda with outdoor fish pools to serve Kimchi, with those darn civil servants and building codes being what they were in dt Seoul. Otherwise, great location, with plenty of *_"free real estate bro"_*
The cowardice and effemininity Hamel speaks about is more a product of pacifism, when compared with the imperialist Japanese , that had just years earlier, terrorized Korea’s coastline with piratical raids, followed by a full scale invasion in 1592, under Hideyoshi. The Koreans were accustomed to the protection of “big brother” Ming China, and so felt no need to keep a large military force of their own.
Rather alliance with Ming which Joseon/Korea knew subsidizing few political figures in Ming’s court will bring advantage to Korea, not to mention full access to Ming market for export. Korean population were always more prosperous than Ming or Hideyoshi of Japan. Korea would outlast Ming and outlast Qing that conquered Ming. Koreans knew how to play diplomacy to their advantage. This diplomacy would allow Koreans to outlast the Hieyoshi of Japan, the Ming, and the Qing. Korean plays this diplomacy to this day and has allowed Koreans to be the only nation to become 1st world in from poor 3rd world in modern world history. At the same time maintain top 5 military power in the world with top 9 economy in the world... all this in last 50 years.
Korean value substance over symbolism. Old Korean saying...”Last one standing is the strongest...not strongest will be last one standing.” Korean Joseon Kingdom outlasted all its neighbor Dynasties.
05:38 “Korean people are afraid of contagious diseases and isolate sick people” ! Would this explain their big success in containing the covid pandemic? Lol
Interesting: On the one hand they are described as gullible, but on the other hand they put off the idea of there being more countries in the world than islands around them.
I'm half Korean, my Mom's side of the family. My mom nor my Grandma never explained any of the ancient things that went on in Korean culture. They were really modern, more westernized being that they lived in Seoul. For some reason, the old way of thinking or culture seemed to have been shunned but I guess listening to this clip it might be understandable. I could tell ya one thing, my Grandma didn't think much of the Japanese as she seen how their thinking and brutality was dished out before WW2 as a young woman. She was Christian too. It's interesting learning about what the explorers encountered, I know I'd be scratching my head which I'm sure they kind of done. Just seemed like a mysterious culture.
Not shunning, but you tend to learn the olden days from the school history classes and watching TV historical drama or movies. Do you sit your kids down and teach them how European or colonial Americans lived in extensive details? 😂 If they have question about it, we talk about it. I guess you weren't that curious about your heritage.
They are "cowards"? Fool, we've survived HUNDREDS of years feuding with larger countries like China, Japan, Mongolians etc. I think our way of life lasted JUST fine!
Already watched some of your videos, but didn't subscribe to your channel until I realized you own some cats. Showing your cats to others might be a genius tactical move :)
Check out mine and Pete's new channel The Entire History of the Earth ua-cam.com/channels/_aOteuWIY8ITg7DQQspG1g.html
Voices of the Past - I appreciate your efforts...
m.ua-cam.com/video/jnIRVJ4kuZc/v-deo.html
but some of the paintings and artworks depicting the natives of the Philippines that you've used in the video were created during the American period, and they are not accurate because the Americans had mixed Pacific Islander and Native American costumes in their depictions of the natives of the Philippines... meanwhile the Spanish who actually made contact with the natives didn't depict them wearing such things.
www.quora.com/Why-are-the-Spaniards-and-the-Americans-constantly-demonized-in-the-Filipino-education-system/answer/Dayang-Marikit?ch=10&share=c32b7592&srid=iQMbJ
For example, the grass skirts at 0:49, 10:48 and feathered headdresses at 9:28 were not a "thing" in the Philippines, especially for the "Indianized lowland cultures" whom Magellan encountered, they rather wore a turban like cloth around their heads which is called a (putong). Lapu-Lapu migrated to Mactan from Borneo which is South of the Philippines and is much much closer to the Indianized cultures of Indonesia... the Boxer Codex is a far more accurate depiction of the natives at the time of initial contact with the Spanish.
i.redd.it/fgqem2fh2kc01.jpg
Here are other image made by the Spanish.
66.media.tumblr.com/6e40bd1f8a05781a721bab69029346cc/tumblr_o7cizf8z7p1rsqusgo7_640.png
akopito.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/historia-de-las-islas-e-indios-visayas-2.jpg
Recreated costumes.
i.pinimg.com/originals/d1/c8/0e/d1c80e5ef284ff5934fe630c036ba5de.jpg
And those whom they mentioned were partially naked were peasants and slaves.
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c4/Visayans_1.png
By the way, I've noticed that you've uploaded an incomplete version of the accounts because a lot of things are out of context... I think that you should have made this into a series instead.... by the way I suggest for you to watch the lecture made by Dr. Capistrano Baker about pre-colonial Philippines at the Asia Society Museum in NYC.
m.ua-cam.com/video/U_BjtFu7L38/v-deo.html
I highly recommend ''Korea and Her Neighbors'' written by British traveller/writer, Isabella Bird.
Magellan, final entry: "Ow."
Huh...an extensive almost 20 videos on Japanese history, yet only one video on Korea...
"Guests are not permitted to leave".. today those are called prisoners.
JB Weld or North Koreans
I would like to be a guest in Bhutan or Japan then.
Yeah this was a thing in East Asian nations, Isolationism. It was a dumbass shit back in the day that prevented any development
Had we embraced the world, we could've been more developed
Ultimate isolationism policy. What a brilliant piece of steaming bullshit. This policy brought colonization that left us an wound that is still sore.
@@fichehwang732
NO!
So-called "isolationism" DID NOT bring colonization!
Evil invaders and criminal colonizers brought you their criminal colonization.
Away with the 'victim blaming', the self-pity and the self-flagellation and the sense of insecurity, and the lack of self-pride.
Koreans problems have not been because Koreans DID THE RIGHT THING by minding their own business (isolationism) and not invading and ravaging others.
You see, Hwang, in the recent past 'Age of Ignorance' you will find that the general prevailing ignorance manifested itself differently in different groups of humans on the planet.
If Koreans were so-called 'isolated' but Self-developed, then no evil invaders and criminal colonizers would have dared breech the Korean nation.
Self-development means knowing who you truly are.
And in knowing who you truly are, your ACTIONS will naturally breed the kind of reactions that would have been only in your favor.
I may not be Korean; but I find many things fine and fascinating about how Koreans chose to live with themselves.
As a result, I can tell you that so-called "isolationism" has been the least of Koreans problems with invaders.
The Dutch were probably fairly offended over the fact that Koreans did not distinguish them from the Portuguese. Like they did not just have the 80-year war just to be confused with their enemy.
If you're a reader check out Shogun by James Clavell. The same thing happens in Japan and the author illustrates it pretty hilariously. There was a part where the Japanese ask what's the difference and the guy says religion. Then the ask 'but you're both talking about Jesus Christ' and the other European goes 'yes but they're doing it wrong' lol. I'm not quoting exactly but that part took me back to the story.
@Arath Djerbiz They were part of Spain during the 80 years war
Derick Ofodirinwa the Japanese where shocked by the Dutch because that’s when they learned the pope didn’t have all the power the Portuguese said they had. Also mentions of numerous differences by the Japanese between the two peoples. Remember the Dutch were able to trade when other couldn’t with japan
@@OctavioMovies 6o long years ,from 1580 till 1640
The Dutch where not so powerful or organized as the Portuguese, and theyr intentions where much more economic then religious like the Portuguese. Years later, the Japanese and Koreans after the Portuguese arrive they expelled them to lately regret and die in the hands of the Dutch.
This guy sounds like he disliked the Kor-"They held us captive, forced us to dance and made fun of my nose". XD
Some things never change. Koreans still do the same. After work we are held captive at happy hour parties, forced to dance and sing, and they make comments about your looks!
@@ddwkc never knew they do that 😂
@Mr Doggo Lads thats very true! 🤯(although im korean)
Haha
Yeah he was basically under captive due to Joseon Korea's isolationist policy. He was basically at the mercy of the commanders that he was with, and some treated him cruelly, which might have negatively colored his impression of Korea.
A long square, clearly this is pre-rectangle
😁 Right?
Ethan Wilson lmao
rectangle is a german word...
lol
@@joshroley770 not German but Germanic. Big difference
This is a famous record among Koreans, actually. I have been hoping to find English language copy to no avail, until your video. So, thank you.
British is not a language. English is.
I wonder how they feel about being called cheating, lying cowards!
@@indiciaobscure I mean, their source for a lot of the stuff about temperament was from the Japanese who had been trying to conquer Korea around the time of the account so it's a useful resource for a different reason.
@@Serai3 British English is a dialect of English. It can be contrasted with Australian English or North American English.
@@Psychol-Snooper fake news
"They're much afraid of the sick particular those who has contagious dis tempest and therefore they presently remove them..." so this is why South Korea is so successful in combating the coronavirus.
@W Sjr wow, you did your studies well. And yes, we use that term quite a lot when we insult others
@W Sjr It's used like "epileptic" or "spastic" in korea....in an insulting sense
oh I thought it was kimchi theory
@Nikolaij Brouiller That is true! In very rural county sides long time ago, probably a few today. It's a social problem in Korea too and we're trying to break it down. Happy to see foreigners like you acknowledge the problem. Keep on the study!
@Nikolaij Brouiller this is true. every koreans were shocked when we found slaves in rural islands, namely 신안
In the Dutch town of Gorinchem, part of Hamel's house still stands today. It's now used as a museum detailing the life of Hendrick Hamel. I bought a modern translation of his journal there. Really interesting stuff for people interested in early European contact with East Asia or Joseon, I recommend it!
is early modern Dutch hard to read for modern Dutch speakers? By 1668 English is mostly understandable to modern readers, just some odd word choices and cadence, but the grammar is all there (although for notes, some literary conventions like shortening of words are hard to decode).
@@midshipman8654 Depends really. Dialects in the south are closely related to middle Dutch and early modern Dutch, so people who speak these dialects will have an easy time understanding it. I think it's doable for people in the northern provinces as well.
@@midshipman8654 If people used early modern English pronunciation properly it would probably be more difficult to understand but it is obviously easy to read EME.
By the 1600s the Hollandic Expansion started to overtake the Brabantian Expansion that affected Middle Dutch heavily in the high to late medieval period and a lot of the grammar started to become simplified by that time, too, so it should be easy for you to read as a modern speaker.
I have been for my video series on Dutch cities and history. Gorinchem is a pretty town as well as Woudrichem with the Loevestein castle at the other side of the river. In Noord Holland there's a town called de Rijp, which was the home town of Jan Jansz Weltevree, the Dutch person who was in Korea before Hamel, but couldn't escape due to the isolation policy. In de Rijp there's a statue consisting of him but made out of Korean products like cameras, radios, cars and guns.
What was book name? I'd love to read it.
Hamel was not the first Dutchman in Korea at the time. When Hamel was brought to the king, a Dutch-Korean interpreter (Jan Jansz. Weltevree) came to the palace. Hamel was very surprised about this. Jan Jansz. Weltevree was in the palace for 26 years and was also an adviser to the king. He married a Korean and had two children. According to Jan Jansz. Weltevree there were also other Dutch stranded on the coast of Korea and even served the Korean army. Foreigners stranded on the coast of Korea were never allowed to leave the country. After Hamel was fully integrated into Korean society, Hamel managed to escape Korea after 13 years.
Parmentier 7 North Korea is just being true to the long-held tradition, I guess.
Where can i read more about this, i've never heard of it.
@@kimashitawa8113 just search up his name jan jansz or pak yon
@@fhfhtiti6503 Ai
Tartars in China has many meanings. It can refer to tartars , and can also refer to other nomads . For example, tartars here means Manchus. Tatar used to be a contempting word which is used to call invading nomads. So at that time, Koreans really despise Qing dynasty and see them as brutal invaders to Ming dynasty.
And I am pretty sure the 7:10 picture is that of Kang-Shi, the Manchurian emperor of China.
He was probably referring to the western tartars from Ukraine, which, to Europeans, would extend to all nomadic peoples of central asia, the same way the koreans were referring to all europeans as portugese.
@@Altrantis no he is refering manchu.
@@Altrantis there is estern tartar, which is manchu, and wester tartar which is as you mentioned
Tartars in Chinese is suitable for describing all groups of nomads.
How does this channel not have ten million subscribers?! I absolutely love this channel, an awesome way to learn straight from the source, no filter. Excellent work man, keep on keeping on!
Wow, a very negative report on korea
It is actually scary to me that we're such a small community in appreciation of this fundamental culture, the world is a scary dark place where anything horrible can happen at any moment due to widespread ignorance
Update: I just signed up for Magellan TV using the link for the free month and subsequently signed up for the full year for about 60 bucks or 5 per month. After 2 minutes of exploring, I can tell you that this is more than worth it if you like documentaries; I'm just sad I haven't signed up for Magellan until now.
Thank you for making these incredible videos. Voices of the Past & History Time are two of the best channels on UA-cam. Definitely signing up for the Magellan free trial.
Yeah I get it. Joseon Dynasty was a quite closed era in korean history.
Well instead Goryeo Dynasty before that, many merchants from other countries visited and cell their goods very well.
Arabians who visited Goryeo Kingdom,they spread the word call 'Korea'.
4:14 "Koreans are addicted to stealing...", as a Korean I would like to give an explanation for this. Hamel might have misinterpreted Korean culture of sharing. Koreans tend to burrow stuffs without asking the owner. Mostly they give it back when they're done with their business. This is because currency transmission was strongly prohibited in Joseon period(commoners were not allowed to accumulate their private assets through business), and there was a severe lack of resources due to the frequent invasion from Japan and China. There would have been like a single hammer in a whole town, just imagine how chaotic it would have been. Culture is just embodied from economic and political circumstances, there aren't any conducts without reasons.
Good comment
That's actually really cool. Any other tidbits of information about Korea that a foreigner might not understand?
Has this sharing culture survived at all?
@@seronymus Probs only between really close friends lol
If true that wouldn't explain the other part of that sentence.. proclivity for lying
How the hell did Europeans in 1668 know about Magellan TV??
Magalhães*
About Magellan, they did, about TV not yet.
They knew about Magellan because he was killed in the Philippines, one of China's favored trade route. East Asia were also much aware about the Spanish colonization to the point it led the Japanese to want to stay in isolation for a while
@Paulo Ramos A portuguese under the Spanish crown, don't see much difference
After a decade in Korea, I miss an ondal so much. - 20C outside and you can turn that thing on for an hour, sleep on a mat all night and turn it back on in the morning, hop in the shower and come out to a nice toasty room. Man, do I miss that.
From?
Can you do Magellan next and his adventures and later demise in the Philippines. That would be awesome.
Yes!
Not next but soon
Thanks bro i used to read pigafettas journal about the first voyage.. Its outlandish thanks again for suggesting this.
The portuguese name is Magalhães, not Magellan.
@@VoicesofthePast YOU CAN USE THE BOXER CODEX AS A REFERENCE TO EARLY FILIPINOS
5:27 So their ancient methods would still be quite effective against Covid-19 there today.
They seem to already have it under control.
@@andrewstupak6668 well, I'm not sure right now. There are still some people getting infected here and there
I think it was more about disabled folks.....
*early modern methods. If not at least Medieval.
Why the heck do you guys say ancient to less then 400 year old stuff???
Why are you all forgetting to like these videos?!? It’s insane to me how great these all are on this channel and yet how little likes the videos all have 🤦♂️ what the literal hell is going on here! No respect for true talent, skill, narration skill and overall elegance in making me feel right back in time to experience what is being read. Seriously , amazing work on this channel and thank you so much . Please don’t stop
Hi Voices of the Past, this is the first time I've watched this channel and it's so cool how you found out about this obscure event. I didn't expect people to know about this other than Koreans and experts.
After watching this I thought of another historical source related to Korea. It's a diplomatic mission sent by Song China to Korea in 1123 and one of the main members of the mission, Xu Jing (徐兢), wrote in meticulous detail about all that he learned about Korea. Title: . It's a rare gem that reveals much otherwise unknown knowledge about medieval Korea from the Chinese point of view. It's a very different account from Hamel's journal!
Actually just thought of a couple other sources but I think this one's good enough for now b/c this comment is already too long 😅
Please continue! Just looked up that source- fantastic I'm gonna try and get hold of it.
Wow cool, thanks for accepting my req. Wish you can make video about Taiwanese aboriginals
Thanks Evan, was a great idea
@@VoicesofthePast Why won't you do more Sub Saharan Africa my man?
Even if it is African nations meeting other African nations.
72vince27 Never Ever going to do it. they were slaves LOL
@Based Hunter I think about guys like you when I have sex with white women.
The incel/racist white man is my stimulus package for chasing and flirting with Rose, Becky and Meredith etc.
And for many, many, many other black men/boys too. Keep doing what you do.
Chiang Kai Shek killed Native aboriginals
*blanks on the word rectangle* it's like... You know... Long square
Ps. Love those cats. For some reason based on your voice I always inagined you as an old kind proffessor type 🤭
Hes in the new professor/later student stage, give him time lol
4:42 does that seagull have only one leg?
Yeah only 1 leg
I'm so glad someone else noticed that
I thought I'm the only one who noticed that
Seagulls rest on one leg so they're drawn like that sometimes
Ah, the mythical one-legged seagulls
Sadly, we ate them all so they are extinct.
Thanks for fulfilling my request. A few people hissed at it but I'm sure they're thankful for it now!!
Are there any texts of the East Asians describing the life in Europe?
Maybe but probably as explained to them by the European merchants. It was the Europeans that were in the habit of traveling to distant lands. If any East Asians made their way to Europe at the time it would have been on an European vessel.
Watch saimdang. It's a korean drama about first korean in Italy
Marko Polo wrote a journal I believe. But at that time, China was ruled by Mongolians
There are some on this channel, I saw one where a Chinese scholar described life in the Roman Empire.
Certainly there is in XIX century, but prior to that I don't know.
I just started watching this, and it must be the Portuguese, the first Europeans that arrived in Korea! They were already all over Asia for at least 100 years before any other Europeans arrived!
This is the first account from a foreigner in Korea, but it has been reported that there were Portuguese in Korea before the Dutch. The Portuguese just didn't document it before the Dutch. You snooze you lose I guess.
4:50 ah yes the most credible source about Korea... the japaneese 40 years after they had a war against them...
To be fair that's the only source they had to rely upon so he couldn't think they were not a critical source
@@Avatrass But also quite understandable given that NE Asia enjoyed hundreds of years of peace and no one expected Japan to invade.
@@Avatrass but they sent an army of zombies against the samurais!
@@Avatrass but Japan still lost the war.
@@Avatrass Save for one disgruntled admiral...
These first accounts are class ! I hope you have more up your sleeve 🙏🏼 I wonder what 17th century taverns in Korea was like !
When speaking about the King telling them sing and dance, I immediately started thinking about K-pop.
Ancient Kpop?
Oh Jesus christ XD
Fiamo Scarlette I feel like that’s the case with pretty much all countries. Every culture has its own traditional folk songs, sadly many of them here in Sweden are almost entirely forgotten.
Jesus, don't bring those k-pop fans....
@@fichehwang732 Korean Jesus, help us from K-pop fans!
"Addicted to steeling and so apt to cheat and lie there is no trusting them." This describes my ex-wife exactly.
was she korean too lmao!
Lmao
Steeling or stealing?
Hamel misunderstood the custom of Koreans at the time. It's not stealing because all the people had known each other so long time so they let their people use neighbors stuffs without asking.
@@happydrawing7309 OH? Can you enlightened us more? i wish to know more about their Era
Not positive, but then again Hamel was pretty much imprisoned in Joseon and not allowed to leave.
He was trying to be objective by european standards of the time but you can tell that he didn't want to be in korea. Back then europeans were obsessed with exploration and these exploration accounts were extremely popular. Some things that sound offensive in its modern translation wouldn't be at the time (for example columbus saying native americans would make good servants meant servants of god not of the europeans).
Thank you for this. Fantastic stuff!
It's fascinating with context to see what the foreigners were excluded from seeing, and all the other misunderstandings and omissions.
A long square... unironically the best description of a rectangle ever
Being one of the first Europeans (or asians, middle easterners, Indians, Africans, indig. People too) thought for the first time when they came upon a brand new society they knew nothing about. It must’ve been incredible.
Korea was straight up living in Sid Meier's Civilization, " only 12 kingdoms, bahaha no more idiots"
coconuthunterlemons maybe some city-states I guess.
4:46
"They're an effeminate people..."
Some things never changes huh.
Most westerners are effeminate too nowadays, thanks to the tribe of the long nose that controls western media.
@@Killallidiotsnow woah woah cool it, it's getting hot in here
@The Mad Baron Korean pop band
You should do a stint patrolling the DMZ avoiding and finding land mines and such. Every single Korean male is conscripted into the Military to do so.
That Guy explains k-pop 😂
I would like an Islamic or Chinese/Japanese account of the Americas during colonization and exploration. Or if not, at least their opinions on the Native Americans.
Johnny James Ferreira What the fuck are you on about? Yes, pre-contact Americans came from northern Asians who crossed to the Americas through Alaska, mainly. There may have been some Polynesian admixture, but very insignificant. That’s what every single piece of evidence points towards.
Johnny James Ferreira The Solutrean Hypothesis has been debunked several times, it’s impossible that western hunter gatherers from THE BAY OF BISCAY paddled from Aquitaine to Newfoundland when the currents in the North Sea would be fighting against them in such a way.
Johnny James Ferreira Any data attributed to “Solutreans” have been mistaken instances of Clovis type lithics, or other such artifacts. This has been since the hypothesis started.
Johnny James Ferreira no one important there. Arrogance at its best lol
@@ayske1 "no one important" is the person he was replying to.
Love the content.
I'm a very happy patron.
I hope one day you won't need the revenue from paid sponsorships at all.
Thanks Dan, your support is very much appreciated. Glad you enjoy it 😁
Anyone else notice the one-legged bird just killing it in the sky at 4:41? lol
good stuff sir. please keep it a coming.
I was getting excited to send this to my Korean girlfriend, but on second thought, I don’t think she’d be flattered XD
It's ok, we learn about Hamel in school. Also Hamel was basically a prisoner and was treated like shit so no wonder he was mad at Koreans.
No culture at ANY period is perfectly reasonable.
Broken branch
@@GeoHdReal what a sad little fella you are.
Geo Geo I’m Danish. I’ve lived in America, Canada, Belgium, Japan and Denmark. I don’t give a shit where a lovely person comes from, if I fall in love with them, their personality, life goals and actions are all that matters. I don’t want to live in Korea, because I disagree with many aspects of their society. Then again, that applies to the US as well. That’s why I’m trying to stay in Denmark. I’ll gladly see a future where I have a “mixed race” family growing up here with free education and free healthcare. A great job market and very safe society. Where will you be, rude and ignorant YT user?
"They are an effeminate people."
Well that certainly has not changed lol
“Long square”
Correct me if I’m wrong, but we call those rectangles
Omg thank you I thought I was going crazy
He's reading from a translated 17th century Dutch account. It's possible that the modern Dutch word for a rectangle didn't yet exist, so the translation has given a literal English translation of the original Dutch terms. As it is, the modern Dutch word for a rectangle literally translates into English as "straightcorner". English 'rectangle' is itself of Latin origin, meaning nothing more than "right angle" so when we say that a rectangle has four right angles we're saying, in effect, that a 'rightangle' has four right angles. So the irony is that the term used in the video - "long square" (or "longsquare") - is in fact more accurate as a descriptor of a rectangle than anything else.
And on further research, the Dutch word of the era for a square was likely 'vierkant' - literally "fourside". Even now, "langvierkant" comes out as "long square" in Google Translate. So there you go.
David James Huh. Thanks for clearing that up!
Hamel's cheeky commentary at the end made me lol.
What he said?
Thank you 👍👍👍👍👍
Do you really speak like this or just act like this when you read the way you talk I mean? Very neat.
I spek liek this alll the tyme
What country are you from and in which country do you live?
@Timothy Dexter the way he chooses to speak when he reads how it is written. The accent and tone of voice and how he articulates his words as he reads them. I can't believe I hate to say all this. Pretty silly honestly. I'm asking does he talk like this or just read the texts cool like he does. Maybe he does talk like this. Smh come on. :)
@Timothy Dexter Does he speak in a weird way?
As always, he did fairly good with the info he was given but I have to say its pretty amazing that after telling his own tall tales the traveler is annoyed that the people of Korea were doing the same about his party. Its always fascinating to me just how sepparated the east and western part of the world were for most of history in all ways but trade.
That separation remains bro
Proper title "Hamel roasts Korea while explaining it for sixteen minutes straight"
As a Korean, this is a very incredible story and I'm very glad to have watched this video. There's never been a more educational comment section, and I've learnt a lot. To any Dutch people, please forgive my past countrymen for making fun of your noses. Your noses are great! 👍
No worries. If Indonesians can do it with the "Dutchman" monkey ... so can the Koreans. Haha
Haha it's ridiculous for you to ask forgiveness for what they did. They had their own reasons and prejudices. Just like how Europeans tend to be highly prejudiced
What an incredibly ignorant comment.. to say this is an incredible story?.. The Dutch came to Korea at that time already with such incredulous prejudice against Koreans contrived to them by the Japanese whom the Dutch had already became familiar with. The Japanese were very bitter about Koreans after their attempt to invade Korea failed miserably, known as the "Imjin War" right before the Dutch had arrived to Japan.. previous to the Dutch arrival during the invasions of Korea the Japanese pillaged thousands of Korean artifacts and teasures and burned and slaughtered whole villages taking back 10's of thousands of severed Korean noses and ears, of not only soldiers but women, children and common villagers.. and this failed invasion just happened right before the Dutch arrived to Japan. These written accounts by the Dutch were totally written to disparage Koreans in favor of the Japanese counterparts that the Dutch had succesfully established ties with.. by the way you can still see the tomb of 38,000 Korean noses and ears at a monument called Mimizuka established in in Kyoto, Japan to honor their war crimes.
This writer is being shockingly unbiased for someone in the 1600's...
I knew all of this because I watched a lot of korean period dramas. Accurate
Yep, I wasn't shook when I heard Korean men had many wives.
That bird only got one leg
mousedoc88 lost in the Korean war
@@heinuchung8680 Imjin war
Possibly, but they also like to tuck one leg up next to their body. So that is more likely I think.
Brilliant yet again.
Further more these cultures that excisted hundreds of years ago can teach us a thing or to about living standards & hygiene wouldn't you agree ?
Here's a fun fact: East Asian countries like Korea and Japan (I don't know about China though) thought that cutting hair was a terrible thing because it was given to you by your parents. So that's why back in the medieval times, people had a hair bun.
I always find these early cultural contacts to be quite interesting
Hey, you're young!
Don't worry, Hamel eventually Hamel managed to escape to Japan and eventually made it back to his homeland.
And Korea's policy was very understandable if you know just how violent and utterly devastating the two Japanese invasions and Manchu take-over were. Also, Korea was a nation run by Confucian ideas to such an extent that they viewed fighting and the military career to be inferior to the path of the scholar. This decision was made at the start of the Joseon Dynasty to contrast it from the turmoil of the previous Koryo Dynasty.
Well put. Sometimes I frankly lament Yi Seong Gye for implementing Confuciousnism into Joseon. As described in the video it rigorously brought good values like relentless honour and respect to parents, but also demotivated and looked down on the military which made the country more susceptible to the worst invasions the government had ever faced.
Hamel and his crew was probably the one of the most unfortunate European to ever visit Korea. Traditionally, China, Korea, Japan and Ryukyu usually treated castaways quite well, providing shelter, clothing and food until they can be sent back to their countries.
4:40 fly on one legged seagull! I believe in you!!!
I might be late....but I am very thankful to have found this channel.
well more to add, The reason that Korea did not let Hamel leave is that Korea or Joseon was preparing a conquest of Qing(Which doesn't make sense, but it really happened) and Korea was afraid letting those Europeans go might leak the information of preparing the war...
Interesting! Thank you for sharing
Your videos are totally rewatchable, I love the format.
The Korean transport system is very advanced for the time (though this document obviously can't be fully trusted). It's fascinating to me that travelers can even sleep outdoors. Travel in Europe was much more precarious, and respectable people in cities did not go out at night if they could avoid it. Important people brought guards with them on long journeys, but as they were hired the might flee or join the highwaymen rather than give up their lives defending the property of their rich patrons. Some cultures had posts that would provide fresh horses to those traveling on official business (where we get the term 'post office'), but someone unlucky enough to not reach an inn by nightfall or someone traveling on foot who could not afford proper shelter might find themselves attacked. The safest way to travel as an ordinary person was as a pilgrim traveling to a holy site such as Santiago de Compostela or the Canterbury Cathedral in England (which is why the Canterbury tales include stories from people in different walks of life. Pilgrimages were a great 'equalizer' . You could join groups of other pilgrims, and affordable or free hostels were available, often along with free food which monasteries, convents, or pious individuals would offer as a good deed.
Surreal how so many things are similar to Korea today.
Can you please do an encounter with the Spanish and the natives of the Philippines? Please and thank you! ❤️
Great idea!
pigafetta's journal or reports to the spanish crown detailed in the boxer codex of all the neighboring asians they found trading in the philippines
He did it!
Such wonderful narration.
Our name, Korea(918~1392)Joseon(1392~1897)Han Empire(1897~1910)Japan(1910~1945),Han(1945~now).
Korea was a commercial people who traded by ship. Joseon was a closed agricultural country. I think it's because of trade that calls us Korea.
Those underfloor heaters sound comfy as fuck.
I love it! 좋아해요 !!!
They have come a long way indeed, i doubt their ancestors would recognize them now.
Could you read some excerpts from The Customs of Cambodia (1296) by Zhou Daguan?
Voices of The Past, it's been troubling me for weeks, I want to know what is the outro music around minute 17:08 in the your Viking Funerals eyewitness Ibn Fadlan video is? Please do tell the melody's haunting my head and I want to keep listening 🥺
Could you do a video on vinland sagas + European description of the Skraeling
4:42 - Fun note : that bird only has one leg 🦵
Amazing ! Thank you so much .
I'd love a video about the First Fleet meeting the Eora people and describing their culture in the Sydney area of Australia in 1788, but I advise that if you ever make a video like that, you should add a warning for Aborigines that the video may contain images and names of people who have died. In most Aboriginal Australian cultures it's taboo to show any images of a person or to mention their first name after they've died, but if it's necessary a warning is needed so as not to cause distress in people from those cultures.
That's so interesting. I've read that in many Aboriginal cultures certain relatives, like mothers-in law(iirc) are 'off-limits' and considered 'poison'?
Lmao
It wasn't only Hamel, 3 Dutch became Koreans.... Hamel came late. Hamel could leave our country due to the one of previous Dutch, a warrior official. The other 2 warriors past away during a war sadly.
Damn! You're gorgeous. Stay off screen so I can focus man.
You have a great voice sir. Hope you get some other work jobs money for it.
You shouldn't be grateful to the people who introduced tobacco to you.
*Looks from rolling cigarete* God damn ye, Paul Myers!
Like with the native Americans? lol
This was about 300 years before they knew that smoking is bad for you.
@@2wingo tobacco can be use as tea.
@@2wingo With the life expectancy they had in those times, it didn't matter nearly as much as today anyway.
Do ancient philippines by pigafettas journal, its really interesting
But did they not mention how the ruler of the Northern part of the country keeps claiming it is the "Best Korea" while launching strange fire spitting projectiles towards other neighbouring lands?
They are a strange bunch indeed
@channel09 North Korea best Korea!
How about the Hittite’s first description of the Ahhiyawa (possibly the Bronze Age Greeks) from the Annals of Murshili II.
This guy histories.
Wtf you're handsome; I wasn't expecting that for some reason.
Sounds like the both of us is deeply closeted.
Hmmm he isn't I think. I'm easily impressed on white guys but he's too plain and homely
@@bulk_manifesto3624 wtf, he's like 8/10 - lower your standards :D
Tenuous Links Radio he is tall where it counts ;)
Bunch of wrong'uns
하멜 전에 박연이라는 네덜란드인이 이미 있었습니다. 그래서 조정에서 하멜 일행에게 통역관으로 보냈는데 박연 역시 오랫동안 한국말을 쓰다보니 네덜란드어를 까먹어서 처음에는 소통하는데 많이 힘들었다고 합니다.
Nani?
하멜이 조선에서 악어도 보았다는군요
박연이 그때 다른 서양인들에 대해서도 언급한 걸로 보아 그 이전도 있었울 가능성이 있죠
Thanks for the video, learned alot actually.
It was always a pain trying to build a pagoda with outdoor fish pools to serve Kimchi, with those darn civil servants and building codes being what they were in dt Seoul. Otherwise, great location, with plenty of *_"free real estate bro"_*
The cowardice and effemininity Hamel speaks about is more a product of pacifism, when compared with the imperialist Japanese , that had just years earlier, terrorized Korea’s coastline with piratical raids, followed by a full scale invasion in 1592, under Hideyoshi. The Koreans were accustomed to the protection of “big brother” Ming China, and so felt no need to keep a large military force of their own.
also confusionism is a very pacifistic philosophy
Rather alliance with Ming which Joseon/Korea knew subsidizing few political figures in Ming’s court will bring advantage to Korea, not to mention full access to Ming market for export. Korean population were always more prosperous than Ming or Hideyoshi of Japan. Korea would outlast Ming and outlast Qing that conquered Ming. Koreans knew how to play diplomacy to their advantage. This diplomacy would allow Koreans to outlast the Hieyoshi of Japan, the Ming, and the Qing. Korean plays this diplomacy to this day and has allowed Koreans to be the only nation to become 1st world in from poor 3rd world in modern world history. At the same time maintain top 5 military power in the world with top 9 economy in the world... all this in last 50 years.
Korean value substance over symbolism. Old Korean saying...”Last one standing is the strongest...not strongest will be last one standing.” Korean Joseon Kingdom outlasted all its neighbor Dynasties.
They got that information from the Japanese so it may not have been unbiased.
05:38 “Korean people are afraid of contagious diseases and isolate sick people” ! Would this explain their big success in containing the covid pandemic? Lol
Not that reladted.
one of your best read, thanks mate!
3:52 Wow he probably thinks Koreans are very kind and hospitable
4:07 Oh. Yikes.
Interesting: On the one hand they are described as gullible, but on the other hand they put off the idea of there being more countries in the world than islands around them.
"Therefore the Koreans represent it in a form of a long square"
A rectangle..?
These small glimpses of worlds long lost are invaluable to history
When a 17th century European is disturbed by the treatment of women, you know shit's bad.
17th century europe was still coming off Christian values regarding marriage and divorce
“Therefore the Koreans represent it in the shape of a long square- like a.. playing card” *
I'm half Korean, my Mom's side of the family. My mom nor my Grandma never explained any of the ancient things that went on in Korean culture. They were really modern, more westernized being that they lived in Seoul. For some reason, the old way of thinking or culture seemed to have been shunned but I guess listening to this clip it might be understandable. I could tell ya one thing, my Grandma didn't think much of the Japanese as she seen how their thinking and brutality was dished out before WW2 as a young woman. She was Christian too. It's interesting learning about what the explorers encountered, I know I'd be scratching my head which I'm sure they kind of done. Just seemed like a mysterious culture.
Not shunning, but you tend to learn the olden days from the school history classes and watching TV historical drama or movies. Do you sit your kids down and teach them how European or colonial Americans lived in extensive details? 😂 If they have question about it, we talk about it. I guess you weren't that curious about your heritage.
They are "cowards"? Fool, we've survived HUNDREDS of years feuding with larger countries like China, Japan, Mongolians etc. I think our way of life lasted JUST fine!
Already watched some of your videos, but didn't subscribe to your channel until I realized you own some cats. Showing your cats to others might be a genius tactical move :)
This explains alot .....