A lot of 'ifs' here, but if Lou continues to play like this, if Monsoon keeps getting Krabers and if Kimchi finds his fingers... Complexity could qual for lan again
@@xythiera7255 I cant believe anyone tries to fight it. To be better on MNK you legit need to be in the top 1% of MNK users. They exist but you just don't see it like you do on controller. That aim assist is too clutch in a close fight.
@@jugo5139 Yeah, 4500hrs on mnk and still getting beamed by roller newbies in close range every other game. On mnk, you have to track perfectly, have knowledge of the spray patterns and react to smallest enemy strafes accordingly yourself, while on roller- just going over him once gives you the slowdown, that helps you a lot to stay on target. Not even talking about rotational AA in hipfire, that literally sticks to enemies. You'd have to be very dumb not to kill someone in close range with hipfire R301/flatty. They should nerf the hipfire part atleast imo (and not like they did to all assault rifles, but to the rotational AA itself, that's the root cause)
When the best mechanical MnK players in the world feel they HAVE to switch to controller in order to compete - the input is broken. When you’re the best in the world at something and it’s still not close, you need to balance.
Pros aren’t even .001% of the apex player base. The fact people are saying it after watching a guy run hotter than the sun backs up the fact it’s balanced. You never see that. I’ve had some cracked players in my lobby over the years but I’ve never seen someone melt people like that 😂 it’s a tiny freak %
@@TysonUppercuts exactly. Even playing casually every player would play roller let alone if you was pro, and it’s your job. Some will excel on 1 over the other. Always been that way. If it was broken u wouldn’t see a team with any mnk players, as they’d be starting at a disadvantage.
@@fouadbelmahi8233 Adderall is one of the types medication for ADHD, and the commenter sort of implied that the pros are abusing it (ie. they're popping stimulants when they don't have ADHD)
@ezz5245 they shouldn't have to change inputs. In a dual input game both inputs should be equal and at the moment, controller is just better. Hal, Albralelie, Lou and a few others changed and have been more consistent than they ever were on mnk. Aim assist is just to good. This is coming from a roller player btw
@@ezz5245why does every braindead controller use this as an argument. Why don’t we just nerf controller alittle and why should we take money out of our pockets to buy a piece of equipment we don’t need. Always a nerd just saying “why don’t you use a controller then 🤓”. How does that justify controller being strong for no reason. Everyone can use what they want but doesn’t mean that one isn’t stronger than the other. Also I do own a controller and i play with it from time to time.
@@stanleychen6556 yeah I also play both inputs I do agree controllers better but I do not think it is something that you can pick up for the first time and one clip everybody still takes time and skill to learn it just like keyboard and mouse.
Weird people are acting like Lou is a bad player or something he’s always been a cracked fragger he’s just had shitty teams and put on roles he was not suited for
They’re not acting like he is a bad player but COL has been playing zone comps and haven’t been that good in fights lately so to see them just completely fry everyone is sick asf
Lou is only fragging because this seasons meta doesn’t require much skill 💀 havoc is literally broken. Lou pops off every once a year so this is his moment, since he’s been playing like ass lately.
@@edwardarias9575 bro peaked plat and thinks lou is once per year good XD Lou was beast since beggining of apex where you stopped sucking parents thumbs.
@@jrkev1 yeah cuz prowler is bad weapon or what? its been really strong when u hit nearly all the bullets anyway, havoc is simply just taking the limelight this time lol
Go into advanced settings and change your optic settings and response curve there. It will carry over once you turn off advanced settings again, might help with aim
I know Lou got a lot of hate awhile ago but u can tell he has grinded his ass off on controller and is now one of the top fraggers in the world. Cool to see
Genuine question, why does Lou peek zone at 6:55 instead of walking through cat wall? He’s in blood ult, so wouldn’t that negate the darkness from cat wall? Or am I just being dense?
do not take cat wall disadvantage you will walk in there and they are already aiming there even with bh ult you still wont tank whats on the other side
.2-.25 AA is about the same accuracy as mnk for top players (top 1% of rollers vs top 1% mnk). These values have been tested in R5 after thousands of hours of data samples. For your average players, mnk is ALOT more inconsistent, so probably, roller would still be a little better than mnk in close range but not that much better. For top pros, mnk will probably be more popular again, as looting, movement and long range shooting is much better on mnk.
@@changen4125 How noticeable is it, like if it changed and pros got used to it being 0.2 or 0.3, do they still beam or is it like mnk spray where a third of th3 bullet goes somewhere
@@ccurtonizea2883 they will still beam pretty hard it just won't be quite as egregious, a good roller player with .2 aa should shit on mnk in a close range smg fight
I get that aim assist is broken, but it sucks that people are using that to discredit how impressive this game was. The angles he got, the arcs/grenades, the recoil control, and the confidence are impressive regardless of what input he's using.
@@kurisuuu0except if you watch them while they are streaming they're not pulling down they're not doing any kind of recoil control but yet they still don't have any recoil. Yea ...smh
His prowler not moving is normal for me cuz prowler for console players doesnt really move. Havoc on the other hand can be hard for some mid to long ranges with a 2x unless you practice aiming for a while. It was just his day to pop off
S/0 to stay naughty. When things were looking bleak and the chapter might have been closing the man kept the work boots on and kept his head down. He might not be the ppls champ but talk about resilience. Got damn beast keep it up
Ya'll Forgot about Lou? Ya'll forgot about everyone running from Team Sentinel fights just a few Short Years ago!! He's an Original OG of this Game!!! Monsoon and Lou could've won at LAN with Competent 3rd!! Kim is a good dude but for godsakes get these two another Pro!!
Remember when people were like "Lou is washed, he was the worst member of LANimals, he's never gonna see the same success as he did with Alb and Naughty again"? Well, one year later and he's NA killleader and is out there 1v2ing in ALGs.
Doesn't engry ammo more damage against shild or was that just wild thing people use say back in the early days of apex i remember fee people say but yet u drop some in redshild petty qick befor just get thoes headshots in
What’s weird to me is Zero acting like he hasn’t done this exact thing on MNK and VERHULST of all people being so shocked 😂 he literally does this damn near every game. It’s a 1 clip.
Yup, but I won't be surprised if these losers in the comments come on here and belittle us for not knowing this guy as if we're all supposed to follow algs religiously.
Lou was way better on mnk, easily one of the hest mnk players of all time. Reject are triple mnk world champs rn. Any equal skill mnk vs roller battle should always result in mnk winning. You move better, you loot faster, you aim better at med-long range. NA is just full of whiners.
This is shows when you switch to controller you will DOMINATE! this is why roller players is for APEX but if you switch to MnK you will be forever trash look how powerful lou when he switch to controller and shows MnK Ha1 vs Roller Ha1
@@changen4125 Well, COL won't pay for a couch. So, they are keeping him on their team as both a player and a coach. Kimchi would happy step down as just a coach if COL were happy to pay for a coach. Having a coach nowadays is very important with all the draft POI and different rotations.
I think if you see the hours that pros spend shooting at targets in the range (with no aim assist), seeing them do it on real people isn't at all surprising.
As a DAY 1 Player (Because of Shroud at that time) and Diamond Avg and Master S7, S9, S10, S13, S15, S17-19 (Horizon, Valk, Seer, rank reloaded, Catalyst, rat Meta). Yes, he wasn't that good & people were chasing him in terms of mechanical skills (back then people weren't that good) "he said it himself in one of his streams year ago". Additionally, he was dropped off the team several times due to his lack of skills and experienced a lot of stress and burnout from not being able to compete anymore. Then, suddenly he became controller player.
Lou is just scripting. If u used scripts or using it rn u know how it is. Hemlck 3x with only white barrel. Recoil move way more on controller. Even with recoil knowledge
Ppl crying about AA like if they play against pros 😂 all pros says the same AA is only op among pro players 😂 sweats and "preds" dont matter nobody plays at this level with roller except for the pros and if u play like this then you would be signed by a team stop crying for something that dont afect us, we all just suck on roller or Mnk 😂
you can feel the difference in close range roller/mnk beams even in plat and if you don't see it, while getting damaged, then you probably never played against better than average controller players on PC.
i guess u need to step into pro league match to feel that difference where u cant do anything against pro level controller ability and then compare to casual level LOL
@@veqad2242 You said it's something that "doesn't affect us", and I told you it's noticeable while taking damage even in lower ranked lobbies, since average roller player can easily dominate average mnk players. When did I compare pro to casual?
@@veqad2242 Weird thing that you replied exactly to what I said, like one minute after I commented, using the same words, but sure. Have a nice day, man.
A lot of 'ifs' here, but if Lou continues to play like this, if Monsoon keeps getting Krabers and if Kimchi finds his fingers... Complexity could qual for lan again
I hope so man
Lmaoo kimchi is such a dog
Kim is so bad it’s ridiculous I can’t believe he was rank 2 for like a whole season bro needs to get subbed out asap
They Finished Top 5 Almost 90% of the Games at LAN!!! If Monsoon and Lou had a 3rd they might have Won that Shiiiiii!!
@@djbr12 ranked is so much easier than pro league it’s unreal #1 preds in most seasons can’t hang with pros in their lobbies
Lou decapitated that first dude like only 1 bullet that missed the head out of the whole spray or something
Controler is just to broken
just roller thing
@@xythiera7255 I cant believe anyone tries to fight it. To be better on MNK you legit need to be in the top 1% of MNK users. They exist but you just don't see it like you do on controller. That aim assist is too clutch in a close fight.
Have u seen his mnk game play he's jus broken@@xythiera7255
@@jugo5139 Yeah, 4500hrs on mnk and still getting beamed by roller newbies in close range every other game. On mnk, you have to track perfectly, have knowledge of the spray patterns and react to smallest enemy strafes accordingly yourself, while on roller- just going over him once gives you the slowdown, that helps you a lot to stay on target. Not even talking about rotational AA in hipfire, that literally sticks to enemies. You'd have to be very dumb not to kill someone in close range with hipfire R301/flatty. They should nerf the hipfire part atleast imo (and not like they did to all assault rifles, but to the rotational AA itself, that's the root cause)
Mnk brothers ,we lost another one.
Mf talking like it’s war
Hes been playing on roller for over a year now i think
Nerf aim assist so I can play mnk again pls
He's been roller for a while though it just started paying off now 😆😆
@@thalyssonv and we lost him now, his time on roller is paying off.
When the best mechanical MnK players in the world feel they HAVE to switch to controller in order to compete - the input is broken. When you’re the best in the world at something and it’s still not close, you need to balance.
Pros aren’t even .001% of the apex player base. The fact people are saying it after watching a guy run hotter than the sun backs up the fact it’s balanced. You never see that.
I’ve had some cracked players in my lobby over the years but I’ve never seen someone melt people like that 😂 it’s a tiny freak %
Why don’t all mnk pros switch
@@TysonUppercuts Gee I don't know. It's almost like its a Bangalore meta.
@@TysonUppercuts they slowly are...?
@@TysonUppercuts exactly. Even playing casually every player would play roller let alone if you was pro, and it’s your job.
Some will excel on 1 over the other. Always been that way. If it was broken u wouldn’t see a team with any mnk players, as they’d be starting at a disadvantage.
"the war comms" 🤣 E was spot on with that
Lou got a bottle of addys recently
Metaphor or literally?
Zer0 seems to have discovered the addy meta and I wouldn’t be surprised if others are doing it too
@@saganblake-welsh7670 tbh I bet a lot of these pros genuinely have ADHD.
@@jazon345 meaning ?
@@fouadbelmahi8233 Adderall is one of the types medication for ADHD, and the commenter sort of implied that the pros are abusing it (ie. they're popping stimulants when they don't have ADHD)
His cross hair placement is just insane, feel like that just helps so much.
Ur right bro having good centering is like 70% of having good aim
Apex is the only game you switch to MNK and feel like you’re playing a different game
400-500 damage per fight is crazy
lol Lou dropped MnK for roller and fucking fries. Yeh balanced input GJ repsawn
than why dont you do it?
@ezz5245 they shouldn't have to change inputs. In a dual input game both inputs should be equal and at the moment, controller is just better. Hal, Albralelie, Lou and a few others changed and have been more consistent than they ever were on mnk. Aim assist is just to good. This is coming from a roller player btw
@@ezz5245why does every braindead controller use this as an argument. Why don’t we just nerf controller alittle and why should we take money out of our pockets to buy a piece of equipment we don’t need. Always a nerd just saying “why don’t you use a controller then 🤓”. How does that justify controller being strong for no reason. Everyone can use what they want but doesn’t mean that one isn’t stronger than the other. Also I do own a controller and i play with it from time to time.
@@stanleychen6556 yeah I also play both inputs I do agree controllers better but I do not think it is something that you can pick up for the first time and one clip everybody still takes time and skill to learn it just like keyboard and mouse.
@@PeerlessAshlou and Hal were controller pro before been mnk players....
Weird people are acting like Lou is a bad player or something he’s always been a cracked fragger he’s just had shitty teams and put on roles he was not suited for
They’re not acting like he is a bad player but COL has been playing zone comps and haven’t been that good in fights lately so to see them just completely fry everyone is sick asf
Lou is only fragging because this seasons meta doesn’t require much skill 💀 havoc is literally broken. Lou pops off every once a year so this is his moment, since he’s been playing like ass lately.
@@edwardarias9575so we gonna actually like we didnt just see him do ppl dirty with the prowler and hemlock then?
@@edwardarias9575 bro peaked plat and thinks lou is once per year good XD Lou was beast since beggining of apex where you stopped sucking parents thumbs.
@@jrkev1 yeah cuz prowler is bad weapon or what? its been really strong when u hit nearly all the bullets anyway, havoc is simply just taking the limelight this time lol
Damn this team would be nuts with a 3rd instead of a coach
Lou and Mon Could've Won LAN with a better 3rd!! They need an Igl so Mon and Lou can just do their Thang!!
@stanleyfranks9891 your purposing old flyquest almost let them pickup zach
@@hoodyplz I have Mentioned that ever since Mon and Lou Teamed Up.🫣😉
The stick with the arc star got me. wtf
I’m jealous of these guys who are so good on 4- 3 linear. My thumbs are just too heavy. Over adjusting all the time.
That seems like just a settings thing, really take the time in the firing range and figure out the exact sens that works for you 👍
Go into advanced settings and change your optic settings and response curve there. It will carry over once you turn off advanced settings again, might help with aim
@@asura1877 why are you lying, they dont carry over when u turn ALC off, there are literally extra non ASC settings for that
@@mynameisstanliandimasinger9622they do carry over. You have to do what he said and turn off regular per optics. Idk about the response curve tho
Try small deadzone first
I know Lou got a lot of hate awhile ago but u can tell he has grinded his ass off on controller and is now one of the top fraggers in the world. Cool to see
That arc star stick from like 40-50 meters was nuts
We need the reactions to Zap’s 1v3 on Complexity from today haha.
One of the best MnK and rollers no cappppp
Lou was a straight up savage on MNK. Happy to see him realizing the same potential on a different input
i really hope theres convos happening at respawn about a aim assist nerf. its getting out of control.
Slowdown should be enough, if even that. Rotational AA feels like cheating and doesn't look legit in pro play clips.
Is it just me or was the havoc not winding up even without turbocharger?
holy shit evan picked it up lately god damn respect
It's because Zap took the IGL role and allowed Evan to focus on popping off. The team finally found their balance.
if lou keeps this gameplay up col will def see the most success
Yeah they been winning a lot I hope lou makes a come back.
Big e drops 18, and nobody flinches because they know hes like that lol Lou drops 20 and everybodies spidey senses start tingling
Genuine question, why does Lou peek zone at 6:55 instead of walking through cat wall? He’s in blood ult, so wouldn’t that negate the darkness from cat wall? Or am I just being dense?
He prob just didn’t wanna take any visual darkness or be slowed at all, just puts you in a weird spot sometimes.
do not take cat wall disadvantage you will walk in there and they are already aiming there even with bh ult you still wont tank whats on the other side
Valid question but what happens when they lower aim assist from 0.4 to 0.3 or 0.2?
edited to = from
Either the "hitbox" or the "bubble" where the AA activates becomes smaller or the AA magnet becomes weaker, either of the two.
.2-.25 AA is about the same accuracy as mnk for top players (top 1% of rollers vs top 1% mnk). These values have been tested in R5 after thousands of hours of data samples. For your average players, mnk is ALOT more inconsistent, so probably, roller would still be a little better than mnk in close range but not that much better. For top pros, mnk will probably be more popular again, as looting, movement and long range shooting is much better on mnk.
Aimassist is already on 0.4
@@changen4125 How noticeable is it, like if it changed and pros got used to it being 0.2 or 0.3, do they still beam or is it like mnk spray where a third of th3 bullet goes somewhere
@@ccurtonizea2883 they will still beam pretty hard it just won't be quite as egregious, a good roller player with .2 aa should shit on mnk in a close range smg fight
I get that aim assist is broken, but it sucks that people are using that to discredit how impressive this game was. The angles he got, the arcs/grenades, the recoil control, and the confidence are impressive regardless of what input he's using.
how tf do they control the recoil like that? like the gun isnt moving after all those shots
Pull down+rotational aim assist
8 hours a day of practice
@@kurisuuu0except if you watch them while they are streaming they're not pulling down they're not doing any kind of recoil control but yet they still don't have any recoil. Yea ...smh
@@calantheshaman idk
Lou is back to cheating, nothing unusual
lou vs thatdripzguy next
His prowler not moving is normal for me cuz prowler for console players doesnt really move. Havoc on the other hand can be hard for some mid to long ranges with a 2x unless you practice aiming for a while. It was just his day to pop off
normal? thats not normal when even evan is surprised that its not moving at all lmao
And when he has the nemesis and the hemlock with no attachments for helping aim and still don't have no recoil ??
S/0 to stay naughty. When things were looking bleak and the chapter might have been closing the man kept the work boots on and kept his head down. He might not be the ppls champ but talk about resilience. Got damn beast keep it up
Ya'll Forgot about Lou? Ya'll forgot about everyone running from Team Sentinel fights just a few Short Years ago!! He's an Original OG of this Game!!! Monsoon and Lou could've won at LAN with Competent 3rd!! Kim is a good dude but for godsakes get these two another Pro!!
Lou is the main character
Remember when people were like "Lou is washed, he was the worst member of LANimals, he's never gonna see the same success as he did with Alb and Naughty again"? Well, one year later and he's NA killleader and is out there 1v2ing in ALGs.
are these guys admitting that they are underperforming to win sports bets? isn't that illegal?? 0:52
10 bullets left “he has enough ammos left to kill 2 guys”
everybody trying to discredit lou by blaming it on the controller as if they dont have the same if not better control on mnk. such a dumb excuse.
Thats how you can tell the only ones complaining are mnk gold 3 players that cannot rank up even on premade
he was a goat MNK player now hes going for GOAT roller
Doesn't engry ammo more damage against shild or was that just wild thing people use say back in the early days of apex i remember fee people say but yet u drop some in redshild petty qick befor just get thoes headshots in
They lost me at “controller movement is actually Insane” like what?!
Funny how they think he’s cheating ahaha 💀💀 he’s just on roller 😂😂😂
Insane 1clip…that was a half clip lmao
Bro on that 3-3 classic 😂
Does anyone else notice a lot of pros It looks like they don’t strafe very much it almost looks like they just stand there n shoot
" he has no recoil" bruhhh they act like zen and xim isn't a thing not like you can take 10 seconds to plug it in
i miss lous insane MNK highlights.
He def started where there need cheater episode lesk😂
Kim trying to flex on everyone over that prize picks thing like his best day in PL isn't 4 kills....
+40% accuracy
Roller doesn't need positioning they just wide swing anything shoot first and win the 50/50 simple As
Did Falcons play in Pro league or do they not have too ?
That's how they all look, funny they saying he looks sus but gen does that without AA AND HE IS JUST GOOD
Recoil Control>Clearly Using Anti-Recoil.
100% of the people saying aim assist isn’t op are the low tier controller players. Decent to pro level sees it. 😂
I like how just a few months ago a 3 stack of mnks won algs but apparently now you can’t win without controller this community braindead
No wonder almost every pro plays on controller
Controllers/Aim Assist on PC in a BR game is just so wrong!
He’s not cheating, he just started taking meth
What’s weird to me is Zero acting like he hasn’t done this exact thing on MNK and VERHULST of all people being so shocked 😂 he literally does this damn near every game. It’s a 1 clip.
ban controllers or get rid of auto aim .. this is dumb as fuck
You love to see it. Someone you dont o ow making himself heard.
Yup, but I won't be surprised if these losers in the comments come on here and belittle us for not knowing this guy as if we're all supposed to follow algs religiously.
@@shalindelta7 there sorry little runts idk about them but i enjoy my ignoracy and enlightenment moments.
"but movement"
did lou go to wallmart for that zen
Nah,he just plays the game and is a pro
Lou was way better on mnk, easily one of the hest mnk players of all time. Reject are triple mnk world champs rn.
Any equal skill mnk vs roller battle should always result in mnk winning. You move better, you loot faster, you aim better at med-long range.
NA is just full of whiners.
It’s so easy to see through these people, everyone switching to controller and using aimbot and walls and acting like it’s aim assist.
Even if he is on controller aim assist still don't make it to where there is no recoil
This is shows when you switch to controller you will DOMINATE! this is why roller players is for APEX but if you switch to MnK you will be forever trash look how powerful lou when he switch to controller and shows MnK Ha1 vs Roller Ha1
does anyone know why kimchi is on this team?
cause he was the COL manager lol. And he is "good enough" to play for the team even though he is probably the worst or 2nd worst player in NA PL.
@@changen4125 Well, COL won't pay for a couch. So, they are keeping him on their team as both a player and a coach. Kimchi would happy step down as just a coach if COL were happy to pay for a coach. Having a coach nowadays is very important with all the draft POI and different rotations.
Its Sad Because Lou and Mon could Win with a Competent 3rd!!
@@fugitive6549 idk where you're getting that info from, COL has a paid coach who was recently signed
Lou and Mon would have an insane team if they actually had a third
roller is basically cheating, inputs are so unbalanced
Increase the recoil of all guns in the game it'll balance controller easily
controlling the recoil of ar weapons is hard with controller, easy to do with mnk
@@abdulqahar2943 increasing recoil will make controller one clip nearly impossible
@@Decki777 recoil is not an issue whatsoever for good players, youd have to make it like rust recoil which would be awful
@@abdulqahar2943 controlling recoil its same, recoil smoothing work same on both inputs (1000h Roller, 500h mnk)
Controller is balanced idk why you guys are complaining
COL Dezignful when
No body wants that guy . He is is killing your team with his personality
Havoc shots at 11:30 slightly sus.
I think if you see the hours that pros spend shooting at targets in the range (with no aim assist), seeing them do it on real people isn't at all surprising.
Split roller and mnk as option so the whining stops
Btw lou was so much better when he was mk
All these people complaining about aim assist in the comments. Did you guys not watch Lou when he was on mnk
these sht gold 3 kids dont know who lou is 😂 probably most started playing in horizon season
As a DAY 1 Player (Because of Shroud at that time) and Diamond Avg and Master S7, S9, S10, S13, S15, S17-19 (Horizon, Valk, Seer, rank reloaded, Catalyst, rat Meta). Yes, he wasn't that good & people were chasing him in terms of mechanical skills (back then people weren't that good) "he said it himself in one of his streams year ago". Additionally, he was dropped off the team several times due to his lack of skills and experienced a lot of stress and burnout from not being able to compete anymore. Then, suddenly he became controller player.
Lou is just scripting. If u used scripts or using it rn u know how it is. Hemlck 3x with only white barrel. Recoil move way more on controller. Even with recoil knowledge
Just a nobody, Yanya and Neazul sweep ez
lou is js a freak👿
Damn shame
He always used, its time to get rid of him since last time he was hot in news for cheating
Ppl crying about AA like if they play against pros 😂 all pros says the same AA is only op among pro players 😂 sweats and "preds" dont matter nobody plays at this level with roller except for the pros and if u play like this then you would be signed by a team stop crying for something that dont afect us, we all just suck on roller or Mnk 😂
you can feel the difference in close range roller/mnk beams even in plat and if you don't see it, while getting damaged, then you probably never played against better than average controller players on PC.
i guess u need to step into pro league match to feel that difference where u cant do anything against pro level controller ability and then compare to casual level LOL
@@veqad2242 You said it's something that "doesn't affect us", and I told you it's noticeable while taking damage even in lower ranked lobbies, since average roller player can easily dominate average mnk players. When did I compare pro to casual?
@@Doufun11 i wasnt talking to YOU, see the difference in the beginning of comment? 💀
@@veqad2242 Weird thing that you replied exactly to what I said, like one minute after I commented, using the same words, but sure. Have a nice day, man.
Lou is on controller 😒
lol this is just aim assist for kids, there is nothing special in there
Addy daddy
Noko sucks
Cheating