I love italy! It is a very good nation, espically with the hungarian tech tree. It gets great light tanks and good top/mid tier lineups (9.3, 10.7, 12.0). My personal favorite is the kf41.
Ill say this once more, german mains, france mains, and British mains MOST DEFINITELY do NOT suffer they have good tanks and they use it to their advantage
I mostly agree, the only exception to this rule is challenger 2, as soon as everyone started getting 5 sec reload it basically became obsolete since this tank sacrifices everything for its reload speed, challenger 2 is supposed to specialise in defensive hull down gameplay, the issue is that most top tier mbts can do what challenger 2 does but better.
Ummm... That's what everyone does. With every tank. It is the only logical way. Any other would make it unobjective. Like, what do you expect? "On paper this tanks is better in this and that, but from our information this one is actually better, so we're gonna buff it"? We don't know everything about the tanks, especially about the newer ones. I think the problem is not in how the tanks are, but on what BR they are placed. And the USSR isn't even the biggest problem in that matter. War Thunder is not a historical game. It is not realistic. It was never meant to be. If you expect russian tanks to be worse than others, because it is the case IRL, you don't know what games are about.
i mean i wouldnt put the USSR in trash because their 8.7 lineup is absolutely goated (aswell as 8.0 i'd say) but its your tier list so i totally respect it, everyone likes their tanks served differently
I'm just here to taste the cope from the big 3 mains. Go and tell me Germany or Russia have bad vehicles after spading EVERY vehicle Italy has to offer, i'll wait.
Play russia after any other country and you will be very thankful when you get a tank that can aim down (im a russian main, send help i don't want my tanks that happy)
@@MaxerGamex I am currently at br 5.3-5.7 in ussr tt, and facing a tiger II with a T34-85 is terrifying. The bottom tier is excellent, but higher, while not the worst, it is definetely not the best.
Wow, this is the war thunder nation tierlist that I disagree the most among other tierlist. (Except Italy, Italy is goated.) Good to see other opinions from other people though, keep it up.
i would put israel at the very top. they have an insane top tier lineup(except for anti air) the battlehawk has 16 spike ER's and the f16d and the f15 is great for air rb and cas. the merkava is amazing. the aps mean you can bully ka50 and bmp2m's. and the sabo is nive with 611mm pen. they do lack good light vehicles, but i love playing them overall. big fan of you FIN :D
I have never seen such a good tier list because usually the other content creators are too based on Russia/America and in reality your arguments are excellent I really understand why you add the Russians to the trash it is understandable knowing that they have the same weak point, no depression and even speed youtuber under side continue your journey with me your new subscriber
I would put america a lot higher, The abram’s are the second best after leopards for sure. And they have a lot of good tanks throughout. Other than that, I agree with this list, Russia deserves bottom 100% and I’m glad you recognised that
Abrams are mediocre, all rounders. Top tier goes : 1. Leopard 2's, 2. T-80BVM / Type 90 / maybe Leclerc too, 3. Abrams / Leclerc, 4. Rest of the top tier tanks. Abrams has alright mobility, what would have been good armor if it weren't for the absolutely huge turret neck, personally I don't think APFSDS pen matters much, unless its like an Object 292 that can punch through armor, the weakspot's are nearly always the same anyway.
you're on some strong drugs. The Abrams is objectively the 2nd worst MBT in the game, the rest of the tree is also 95% over-br'd trash. The rest of what you said is also objectively false aswell.
@@fire_drake12.arc.24 No idea why these people think Russia sucks, I'm not a Russia main, nor fanboy but the Russian tech tree is pretty good. Some of their tanks are just not my style like the T-34-85, I can't stand playing that tank for the life of me even though I feel like I should be doing perfectly well in it, but I like their MBT's. Their transmission feels a little stiff sometimes but other than that, good armor, decent reload and pretty decent APFSDS.
sweden high tier is amazing 8.7 is so good if you have saab 105g and T-55M and ikv90-105 and 9.3 is also good not to mention the 3 9040s you get at 10.3
As a Russian main. This list is pretty much the best I have seen. A couple of years ago the t72/80 platforms where alot harder to kill but now it's just trash in comparison
i would say ussr deserves to be in good, the mid tier game play is pretty bad, like one of the yak's has 60 ammo on its 20mm gun, which is ridiculously low, but top and low tier are really reliable and fun, for low tier (3.0-4.7) i would say i love the I-185's and the la-5 with the la-7, the yaks are really good at that tier with their infamous ufo capabilities, and then i love playing the su-27sm, and the newer su-34 is pretty good too, but i really love mig-29 that thing shreds like a beast
since I took a break from my top Br for my used to be top country (America 8.0) and have mained Italy to 8.0 God, I love Italian tanks people can shit on Italy as much as they want but the tree is good in my heart. Most of them probably haven't even played the tree so they don't know.
Really shocked you dislike russia they do have some good stuff but yeah i can agree that most there tanks are pretty mid. Only mbts and tanks ive loved is the KV T34 and t90-80 series tanks. Personally id put it at decent but your opinion
For Christmas special you should rate the most useless thing idk what but something that doesn't matter even a little also am i show it where did the streams go
Regardless of your opinion, USA belongs bottom along with a few others if this was based on effectiveness and balance. Factually it is objectively terrible nearly across the board with 95% of the tree being over-br'd garbage. Russia and Germany belong at the top with the rest somewhere in the middle, Mainly France, Sweden, and china at the very least being in the "good" section if we do this entirely based on the average for each nation.
It’s the pilot, not the plane US tanks are good, Their players are garbage Russian tanks are decent at best But they know how to play the game And I think you’re aware of German players The rest I agree with
"China is basically copying other nations"
So... IRL china?
Hey, why make your own stuff when you can just steal what works? I respect the hustle
I can already taste the salt from the russain mains
Did you come from the land under
@p51_mustang109 I'm sorry what?
@@soulydam its a song
Russia deserves that
The thumbnail made my heart stop for a second... 💀
I'm obviously not gonna give away the list in the thumbnail, that's just stupid
@Finagin Was a 10/10 rage bait, tho! 💯
It was actually random, I wanted them to be in the list on the thumbnail, but in a completely random order, so I just threw them there
@Finagin Well I'm pretty sure many people would be upset to see china above the US or Germany xD
@Finagin Btw do you got a discord server by any chance?
I love italy! It is a very good nation, espically with the hungarian tech tree. It gets great light tanks and good top/mid tier lineups (9.3, 10.7, 12.0). My personal favorite is the kf41.
Does this 5 USD help USA at all?
I'll get back to you on that one
Ill say this once more, german mains, france mains, and British mains MOST DEFINITELY do NOT suffer they have good tanks and they use it to their advantage
I mostly agree, the only exception to this rule is challenger 2, as soon as everyone started getting 5 sec reload it basically became obsolete since this tank sacrifices everything for its reload speed, challenger 2 is supposed to specialise in defensive hull down gameplay, the issue is that most top tier mbts can do what challenger 2 does but better.
honestly the best tierlist i've ever seen
War Thunder portrays russian tanks like they are in the manual, not in reality.
this is very true! makes me nuts.
they do that for every nation though
@Chewbakaya not really. Think about abrams......
Ummm... That's what everyone does. With every tank. It is the only logical way. Any other would make it unobjective. Like, what do you expect? "On paper this tanks is better in this and that, but from our information this one is actually better, so we're gonna buff it"? We don't know everything about the tanks, especially about the newer ones. I think the problem is not in how the tanks are, but on what BR they are placed. And the USSR isn't even the biggest problem in that matter. War Thunder is not a historical game. It is not realistic. It was never meant to be. If you expect russian tanks to be worse than others, because it is the case IRL, you don't know what games are about.
i mean i wouldnt put the USSR in trash because their 8.7 lineup is absolutely goated (aswell as 8.0 i'd say) but its your tier list so i totally respect it, everyone likes their tanks served differently
Finally, somebody random with common sense
Nice video man. Wish you well.
While france is a struggle, their top tiers and high tiers are some of the best i have played
Best WT opinion! W tier list! You have a new sub! 😄
I'm just here to taste the cope from the big 3 mains. Go and tell me Germany or Russia have bad vehicles after spading EVERY vehicle Italy has to offer, i'll wait.
US faction 100% has bots meant to throw games, if you notice theres always around of 2-4 abrams that just go off to die all together
could not disagree more. Russia, just like the US, is a good all around nation. Awful, god awful tier list
Boo hoo, cry about it
Play russia after any other country and you will be very thankful when you get a tank that can aim down (im a russian main, send help i don't want my tanks that happy)
90% of the US ground tt is 0.3/0.7 higher what should be
@@MaxerGamex I am currently at br 5.3-5.7 in ussr tt, and facing a tiger II with a T34-85 is terrifying. The bottom tier is excellent, but higher, while not the worst, it is definetely not the best.
Honestly nice tier list
finally someone who dont put 3 most popular nations in god tier but in anothers
Finally a list i can agree with
Wow, this is the war thunder nation tierlist that I disagree the most among other tierlist. (Except Italy, Italy is goated.) Good to see other opinions from other people though, keep it up.
i kinda agree that russia is pretty overhyped atleast in grb. The gun handling and the reverse speed makes them kinda unplayable for me.
I like the Chinese tanks, because you get the opportunity to play with vehicles from multiple nations, though it's mainly USSR tanks.
Dropped this, king 👑
3:17 because the 20mm uses APCR. (Did the french really use APCR in the 50s?) Which just hounces off any angled armor.
i would put israel at the very top. they have an insane top tier lineup(except for anti air) the battlehawk has 16 spike ER's and the f16d and the f15 is great for air rb and cas. the merkava is amazing. the aps mean you can bully ka50 and bmp2m's. and the sabo is nive with 611mm pen. they do lack good light vehicles, but i love playing them overall.
big fan of you FIN :D
The thumbnail is diabolical.
I have never seen such a good tier list because usually the other content creators are too based on Russia/America and in reality your arguments are excellent I really understand why you add the Russians to the trash it is understandable knowing that they have the same weak point, no depression and even speed
youtuber under side continue your journey with me your new subscriber
Let me tell you as an Italian main.
It has been a long grind. But since I unlocked the freccia I felt It was worth It.
Wow I did not expect Germany being good
I would put america a lot higher, The abram’s are the second best after leopards for sure. And they have a lot of good tanks throughout. Other than that, I agree with this list, Russia deserves bottom 100% and I’m glad you recognised that
Abrams are mediocre, all rounders. Top tier goes : 1. Leopard 2's, 2. T-80BVM / Type 90 / maybe Leclerc too, 3. Abrams / Leclerc, 4. Rest of the top tier tanks. Abrams has alright mobility, what would have been good armor if it weren't for the absolutely huge turret neck, personally I don't think APFSDS pen matters much, unless its like an Object 292 that can punch through armor, the weakspot's are nearly always the same anyway.
you're on some strong drugs. The Abrams is objectively the 2nd worst MBT in the game, the rest of the tree is also 95% over-br'd trash. The rest of what you said is also objectively false aswell.
@@fire_drake12.arc.24 No idea why these people think Russia sucks, I'm not a Russia main, nor fanboy but the Russian tech tree is pretty good. Some of their tanks are just not my style like the T-34-85, I can't stand playing that tank for the life of me even though I feel like I should be doing perfectly well in it, but I like their MBT's. Their transmission feels a little stiff sometimes but other than that, good armor, decent reload and pretty decent APFSDS.
sweden high tier is amazing 8.7 is so good if you have saab 105g and T-55M and ikv90-105 and 9.3 is also good not to mention the 3 9040s you get at 10.3
As a Russian main. This list is pretty much the best I have seen. A couple of years ago the t72/80 platforms where alot harder to kill but now it's just trash in comparison
Well I imagine certain "special military operations" have pointed out the flaws and uhhhh rather violent tendencies when hit.
''USSR doesnt have good light tanks'' 💔
i would say ussr deserves to be in good, the mid tier game play is pretty bad, like one of the yak's has 60 ammo on its 20mm gun, which is ridiculously low, but top and low tier are really reliable and fun, for low tier (3.0-4.7) i would say i love the I-185's and the la-5 with the la-7, the yaks are really good at that tier with their infamous ufo capabilities, and then i love playing the su-27sm, and the newer su-34 is pretty good too, but i really love mig-29 that thing shreds like a beast
Russian main?
@@teaganbirkett7147 i mean, yea but i also do some germany and israel
As an Italian main, I couldn't agree more
Italy: Pizza Trucks are the best!!! 🇮🇹🍕
russia: VODKA SUKA BLYAT🇷🇺🥛💥💩
since I took a break from my top Br for my used to be top country (America 8.0) and have mained Italy to 8.0 God, I love Italian tanks people can shit on Italy as much as they want but the tree is good in my heart. Most of them probably haven't even played the tree so they don't know.
Really shocked you dislike russia they do have some good stuff but yeah i can agree that most there tanks are pretty mid. Only mbts and tanks ive loved is the KV T34 and t90-80 series tanks. Personally id put it at decent but your opinion
Shocked? How so? Did you not see my T-90M video? Or 2S38, BMP-2 and SU-25 video?
Italy car tank go brrt
0:24 this is NOT a god vehicle
What would you recommend between usa and israel for top tier ground?
Italy and Sweden
@@Finagin alrdy got
Good
W list
I once survived a shot from a T-72B3 and then killed him with my return shot
I was driving an M18 Hellcat. Russia is ass lmao
For Christmas special you should rate the most useless thing idk what but something that doesn't matter even a little also am i show it where did the streams go
First person i see not hating so much italy
That edit @0:34 omg 😂
Do a tierlist of toptier MBT's
HELL YEAH
i'm an italian main so lets gooooooooooooo!!!!!!
🇸🇪/🇫🇮 My favorites 😍
You are right! Its like mix of all best tanks in game
Italy is the bro op tanks 🔥🔥🔥
Honestly usa is just a nice nation to start the grind cuz ez to play but tanks arent op so u still have to pay attention (even tho i dont😂)
Who hates the merkava?
Its a hella cool tank that takes skill
Ohh right russia mains
Regardless of your opinion, USA belongs bottom along with a few others if this was based on effectiveness and balance. Factually it is objectively terrible nearly across the board with 95% of the tree being over-br'd garbage. Russia and Germany belong at the top with the rest somewhere in the middle, Mainly France, Sweden, and china at the very least being in the "good" section if we do this entirely based on the average for each nation.
Literally could not care less, my opinion, my list, f*** off.
whats the song on sweden?
For those who dont understand, this is all a joke
It's not.
The dedication to the bit is crazy, respect.
Whatever helps you cope, buddy
Where is my canada Skink, Ram 2, QF Ram and ect
Literally said in the video that I'm not counting subtrees
@@Finagin i know but would of loved to see them in their lol
Bruh
W for sweden
I absolutely agree with this tier list those who disagree play only USA, Germany and ussr
It’s the pilot, not the plane
US tanks are good, Their players are garbage
Russian tanks are decent at best
But they know how to play the game
And I think you’re aware of German players
The rest I agree with
Russian main here but completely agree with where it got placed
Pls play ItPsV leopard
He already has
It might be your opinion but good good opinions implies the existence of bad opinions.
You sir have terrible taste.
What exactly is terrible about my taste?
That I would rather have fun than struggle in pain?
Eh, China ain't that bad
I like the tier list and i agree with russia 100%, people only think its good but it isnt
sweden sweep
What about stalinium?
It's a meme
@Finagin my bad, I'm just a Russian main, but I enjoy Sweden.
Very nice👌🏻
Based list
This is the worst true list I’ve ever seen I only agree with Sweden and Japan lock in lil bro
True list ?? And it's not and its his opinion
How about YOU lock in, getting triggered over an opinion... Big oof lil bro
Your opinion is ivaled lock in
Your spelling is iNvalid, log off
Nu uh