WHY ARE THERE NO ROMAN RECORDS OF JESUS?
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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2024
- The silence of antiquity. The Roman empire kept extensive records, so why is Jesus’ trial and crucifixion not recorded.
Why did Pontus Pilate not write about Jesus? Why didn’t Herod’s court make a record of Jesus? Often a string of ancient names (contemporaries of Jesus) will be listed and then it will be pointed out that non of them mentioned Jesus. That’s like pulling 100 books from the 1920s off the shelves of the library and saying, “non of these books mention Babe Ruth, so he must not have existed.”
The bottom line is, very few records from that time have survived. Even Pontus Pilate himself only has a few surviving references that verify his historical existence. We only have one reference to Pontus Pilate by a Roman Historian, and that reference was only there to give a frame of reference to who the sect of Christians were.
So, most of what we know about Pontus Pilate actually comes from the Bible.
There are a couple of things we need to remember. Jesus was only famous with a very small amount of people within his lifetime. Why would anyone write about him outside those who were his followers? Secondly, we don’t know whether Pilate, or Herod, or any other Roman official ever wrote about Jesus, because so many of the Roman records did not survive. There may have been records about him, but we don’t have any of the notes or records that Pilate’s administration kept from the time frame. Be sure you caught that line. They are gone, burned, eradicated, non-existant. This is the case with most of the documents and records of the time.
The only way documents survive through the centuries is if they are copied. Copying had to be done by hand. It was expensive. Only the most important documents would be kept. Why would the execution record of one so-called insurrectionist survive? After all, people were being executed by the thousands all over the empire.
This sounds like an intelligent argument, until you understand what small number of documents have survived through the centuries. When you consider the scant amount of documents that we have from antiquity, it’s actually EXTREMELY stunning that we have so many documents about Jesus. It’s almost unthinkable that so many were deemed valuable enough to be copied over and over. The only reason that this would be, is if something really important like a real live divine Jesus existed.
Pontius Pilate did in fact mention Jesus in a letter to the Emperor. Educate yourself.
That was a fake
Chris Holman An atheist will only pick out the evidence supporting his or her beliefs. Waste of time trying to explain.
He did.
@donwharrison You're funny, long winded and ignorant on this topic, yet still funny. 12 of the world's top academics, many of whom are atheists themselves such as Bart Erman, asserted that the life and death of Jesus is irrefutable based upon historical evidence. I guess you know more than they do? That leaves the resurrection in question. We can tackle that in a moment.
The evidence you demand is well known and easily found. In another comment section this was provided to you, yet you dismissed it like a petulant child. So why repeat the same mistake by giving you what you want only to see you dismiss it because you don't like it? What is it they say about insanity?
Like most immature atheists, not all atheists are immature by the way, you rail against the ultimate father figure...God. You have the freedom to believe or not believe in whatever you choose and I will defend your right to do so. Sadly many atheists are beyond arrogant enough to believe that they know for certain that God does not exist while simultaneously believing that the entire universe came from nothing and that life evolved from amino acids. They then attack Christians, no other religious groups are targets of their ire more.
Truth, statistically the chance of one protein being assembled from amino acids is so low to make it practically impossible. Scientists can theorize yet they have been unable to repeat and observe the process. For something to be proven by science it must be repeatable and observable. The entire theory of evolution falls flat on this premise alone. Never mind that not one transitional species has ever been found. No evidence, cannot be repeated and observed=an unsound hypotheses at best.
For the record, an historical event or person is incapable of being repeated or observed obviously. We must then go another route. I recognize that I was just equally long winded, that isn't necessarily a bad thing for those like us that are willing to write and read novellas in a YT comments section. Have a goodnight, God bless you.
@@patbyrne3076 - Wrong. The letter was a definite fake.
You speak rubbish !! Pontius Pilate wrote to Tiberius a long letter. He also wrote down his account of the Trial of Jesus and put it in the Public records at Jerusalem library. We have these documents today.
donwharrison - he is probably referring to the stuff ascribed to Josephus. Already proven to be inaccurate, and way off timewise.
Yes sir... Acta Pilate. There are also roman historians who wrote about Jesus and even Peyel the Younger who administered the execution of the christians wrote about persistence of christianity even when threatened with death...
I surely think that the records are very reliable and support the historical fact of Jesus existence. Taking into consideration that many sources about Jesus were from Jewish and Roman historians/sources, and considering the entities of these people, their account must be very reliable. More then that, they have no reason to value, record or keep records of someone that was a threat to their empire or beliefs. By the way, through how many uncounted hands could these records have been passed through, taking an extreme period of 33AD and 80AD? Don't confuse rumours with records! The letters of Pliny were discovered and published early 16th century. So there we have a fresh source!! I do understand that denying Pilates existence is very much at hand, because he stood face to face with Jesus. But, Pilate is mentioned by many historians and people of his time (the Gospels and the book of Acts), too much than what he deserved (check it out for yourself). Regarding the comparison with mythical movements, do they have over 2 billion followers like the christians do? This is more then enough evidence that something really significant has happened 2000 years ago. Calling a growing population of over 2 billion people delusional is ignoring the statistics and cynicism. It should motivate further investigation and the encountering of historical records confirmed by archeological evidence. The new testament is based on over 5200 manuscripts. This population is the result of a historical Jesus and not a mythical one, That's the difference made this church survived all the persecutions of his times and even the ones today. That's the emperor's palace actually! Ask any serious historian (believer or non-believer) and they will not deny the existence of the historical Jesus. At the end, the facts of the historical Jesus is overwhelming leaving the choice to the individual either to accept Jesus as the son of God, or just reject it.
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those documents are stored in the Vatican and there is also a free copy of the book that I have put the link to
The Roman historian Tacitus(116 AD): "Christians derived their name from a man called Christ, who, during the reign of the Emperor Tiberius had been executed by sentence of the procurator Pontius Pilate. The deadly superstition [he's talking about the resurrection],thus checked for the moment, broke out afresh not only in Judea, the first source of the evil,but also in the city of Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world meet and become popular."~ Tacitus,Annals 15.44
This is not a record of Jesus himself during his lifetime.
@@katerkarlo159 Yet it's a non-Christian Roman record of Christ's existence (and crucifixion under Pontius Pilate, and the general time period that he was around, i.e., sometime during Tiberius's reign) which is, relatively, quite close to his lifetime.
Socrates, Gamaliel, Buddha, Confucius, etc. have no contemporary records either. Our primary record of Alexander the Great isn't contemporary.
And, you know, Jesus was a poor Jewish carpenter from a lowly town, so it's amazing in my opinion that _any_ Roman historian is writing about him.
That’s not really a first hand account he was writing what other people was saying ...legends and myths
@@jserr9682 Why would a Roman historian write down "legends and myths" as if it were historical? He made mention of Pontius Pilate; do you think Tacitus didn't bother to verify if Pilate was an actual governer too?
Also, from the text here, Tacitus is obviously not someone who views Christianity/Christians favorably. If he could have blown off the premises of Christianity as mere myths, I think he would have done that. But he didn't. He mentioned that these Christians are followers of a historical person, "Christus", who lived during a specific period of pretty recent history (Tiberius' reign) who was sentenced to capital punishment by a known governer of Judea.
Exactly the christian said that not him. He accounted for pilot been a real historical figure not Jesus ...the fact that pilot existed doesn't make make Jesus is a real person No one can probe the guy existed like said there is no contemporary writings of the guy
You need to do more research bright boy!
The letter of Pilate in contest to the protestations of the Pharisees to Rome (Ceasar) was a legislative document. A governance report. One that is a man's testimony of internal suffering and bitterness against a deed fulfilled out of a regional and political placare in fear of uprising. In his letter he describes the man whom he permitted freedoms to minister upon the testimony of Manlius, Pilate's most trusted agent. So great were the masses calling out for Yeshua's death, the floors groaned under their weight. Even heavier was Pilates heart, thereafter.
This letter describes Jesus' arrest, trial and Crucification. Written by Ponteus Pilate himself to Tiberius Caesar, and Pilate's personal experiences with Christ. You'll be glad I sent you this. m.ua-cam.com/video/JP3-P-LrTVE/v-deo.html
@@50kArchipelagos Stupidity exists in and out of organized religion, and I agree, it is dangerous. To paint with a broad brush is also dangerous.
@@Kaylbee Yeah, you're right. That's a very old post and since then I've been learning and changing... "and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall. say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. ... shall be in danger of the fire of Gehenna.". Thanks. Good day to Ya'.
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I have read Pilate's letter to Cesar about Jesus and MANY MANY other records from many non-Christians during the 1st century. Jesus was indeed written about and his following was vast, usually the poor, which was one thing that angered the elites. People who say there are no records about Jesus the Nazarene are woefully ignorant.
AMEN!!! IGNORANT denying the truth to cover the shame of their own sins!!!
Ever hear of “motive”? Nero was ruthless in his persecution of early Christians! He would have burned anything about Jesus and killed anyone caught being a Christian. In the end, Nero failed to crush Christianity. Considering all the odd against His followers, there is a reason it flourished. He was real.
Actually Tacitus mentions Jesus in his work Annals. There is also a mention in the letters of Pliny the Younger to Emperor Trajan.
It doesnt establish divinity by any means but its sufficient to establish his historic existence, at least for me.
jlrinc of course....
Bad choice! Tacitus was born in 56CE.
Pierre M so you want to quote “CE”, and what event makes it “common era” ?, you measure time by Jesus Christ but deny His existence how foolish
No he doesn't, he only states that the "Christos" was executed. Get your damn history correct
Mitch, thank you. I do know they are two competing camps concerning the historicity of Jesus. 1. Dr Carrier and Dr Murdoch on one side (and that is not all) followed by Dr. Dale and Dr. Ehrman showing that he did exist. I lean toward his existence (and yes I know it is weak), but my years as a detective. People when they make something go way OVERBOARD almost immediately. Not so with the story of Jesus and I use the gospel of Mark as an example. Jesus life and death are quagmire to his status is he God or a son of, his powers are vague and his healing is not fully explain (as you find in the later Gospel). Much like a real person existed, but legends grew up around him, where the rebellious Jesus becomes the God Jesus. Jesus is not much different like the modern day David Koresh. This just my opinion and I thank you for the link.
I literally just studied the account Pontius Pilate made about Jesus where he multiple times mentions all the events that took place in his account that he wrote to Caesar also Caiaphas and his accounts of Jesus so don't tell me there's no documented proof from Rome that he existed
Historians usually label Josephus as reliable since he lived around the time on Jesus and they use his writings because it’s generally facts, Josephus has a whole writing on “A man named jesus” and his miracles.
The "Testimonium Flavianum" is considered by most scholars to be a church interpolation ( forgery) that an anonymous scribe put into Josephus's late 1st century book Jewish Antiquities early in the 4th century CE. Not for over 200 years -- until the mid 4th century -- did any writer ever mention that short paragraph. All that time the book was well known among Roman Church scholars, so it's extremely unlikely that in all that time no one ever noticed. There had apparently been complaints of the lack of any secular evidence for the gospel stories, which apparently inspired the forger to concoct the short paragraph and slip it into the book manuscript he was hand-copying. Josephus would never have seen "Jesus" as "the Messiah". In other parts of his book he was skeptical and scornful of Messianic claims. Also, the TF contains all the basic points of Roman church dogma about "Jesus". Josephus, a devout Jew, would not have written that.
josephus isnt proof do more research
@@atheodorasurname6936 really? Scholars? Wow that sounds like a plot right out of a Dan Brown novel. The better probability is that Josephus did write it and that some modern scholars posed that as an explanation for why it’s included.
The historical records of Pontius Pilate are at odds with the gospel version of him.
The letter from Pilate to Tiberius was rediscovered by a German researcher in the Vatican Library in the 1880's. He hand copied it and it has been reprinted along with his testimony. This is not surprising. The Vatican library is the official Archive of Rome and a massive amount of material in the library is basically records of Roman reports and events.
The Acta Pilate exists in four forms. Three of these are Acta Pilate written much earlier in the Millenium from memory when it was reported that the original had been erroneously reported as lost. The last copy of the original Acta is the one transcribed from the original and is a most fascinating letter. Much information about Jesus is provided and it is clear that Pilate had a friendship with Jesus and he was also very concerned about the activities of the day and how it would affect Rome.
I'm currently reading the investigative interview they did with Mary and Joseph after Jesus birth. Apparently there was a phenomenon and they were concern with unrest and riots then also as the Jews were clear on their prophesies
None of the letters are authentic
Just so I'm clear, God sent his son to be sacrificed for the world. This guy walked on water, raise the dead, cured the sick, made the blind see, and nobody thought that was good enough to keep better records, LOL if I've ever LOL.
You have to remember that Jesus was very low on the Roman and Jewish hierarchy, and people were just as suspicious of “magical” things as they are today. That’s why the Romans did not include him. He was thought of as a silly waste of time.
Additionally, the four gospels and other Biblical books also recorded Jesus’ entire life.
@@GSully32 Minus some 25 odd years, I reckon.
did you say nobody? Various roman historians and the Gospel writers wrote about Him. Not to believe them would either be blatant naivete or just plain ignorance. After all they were practically contemporaries to the events, and we are 2,000 plus years removed - what do we know of that era?
We have the Bible, and there are records and letters, anyone saying there isn't is wrong!
Pontius Pilot did write a letter to Tiberius Caesar about the entire uprising that was happening in Jerusalem at the time of Jesus Christ. He also gave a better description of Jesus Christ than anyone else.
The jews wrote plenty about jesus
They werent very nice
@@jknott1509 yes in the babylonian talmud.. dont expect the jews to be nice to jesus... and this attitude of the jews made me believe that jesus did indeed exist..
Sounds like a plausible explanation, unless you have some basic historical knowledge. Mr Kitchen claims that Jesus was "only famous within a very small amount of people within his lifetime" which is believable, but incompatible with the gospels which claim that Jesus performed miracles in front of many thousands of people and that "News about him spread all over Syria" (Mark 4:24). Also, although the existence of a wandering, rabble-rousing rabbi who claimed to be the Messiah is not that extraordinary or implausible, many of the events supposedly recoded by the (anonymous) gospel authors were very unusual and utterly implausible and if they had in fact happened as described then the likelihood of them being mentioned in contemporary records is high. I don't know if Jesus ever existed (although on balance I think it unlikely) but neither does Mr Kitchen.
Wow, Jesus is the great I am, Jesus was, is, and will forever be! Jesus lives and he sits at the right hand of our Father in Heaven, our Holy, Holy, Holy God Almighty, who was, is, and is to come! Jesus is omnipotent and he is omniscient, which means he is everywhere at once and knows everything and everyone at the same time. Jesus is the alpha and the omega, nothing existed before him nothing will exist after him because he is the beginning and the end forever. Jesus was, is God incarnate, Jesus was a human, the God Man, Jesus is real, Jesus is the truth, the light of the world, the only door or way to the Father. Jesus was born of a virgin, ministered for 3 years as an adult, and died on the cross for man's sins, and it is ny his shed blood that we are santified and saved. Jesus was resurreccted on the third day because HE IS THE RESURRECTION!John 3:16 for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son so that who shall ever believe in him will have eternal life. 3:17 But for those who do not believe in him, they have already perished.
I know and have audibly heard my Shepard's voice, too long to explain here. Jesus is no myth.
You, are as smart as a clod of dirt and in complete denial of your creator and savior! Woe to you natural man who denies the truth of Christ, woe to you.
Turn to Jesus today, he is our, your only hope and savior! Don't suffer the 2nd death for eternity, know Jesus, know everlasting eternal life, No Jesus, No life after death! Change your mind while you still breathe, the age of grace is ending now, the door is closing, and Jesus is the keeper of the door!
Turn to Jesus today while we still have day!
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I'm not sure whether Mr/Ms Ray is being ironic and sarcastic in repeating all this ludicrous and fantastical nonsense, or whether he/she is being serious and should therefore be regarded as deranged.
Not true, Pontius Pilate sent a letter to Tiberius Caesar about Christ and the goings concerning the crucifixion.
It’s in the Vaticans library.
You are right.
You may want to research why the term "Pious Fraud" was coined. The RCC is arguably the most corrupt organization on the planet. Why would you trust the word of an agenda driven organization that is full of and protects pedophiles? Their agenda has always been to gain and maintain political power and wealth and control the masses through imagined fear/guilt while hanging the threat of an equally fictional Stan/Hell over their heads.
The RCC has a long trackrecord of creating fake artifacts and falsifying documents.
Titanium Quarrion speak for yourself with your brainwashed masonic and communist ideologies
The video is wrong. Please read Acta Pilate.
@Paul Kelly I need professional help for not being a brainwashed zealot? Yeah that makes sense. I couldn't give a fuck about the letter - Pious Fraud was and is rampant in the church. You can start with every single claim that the Bible is literal historic fact for starters. Of course if you feel like proving that isn't a lie go for it anytime you like Champ...
The Jesus History spread like wild fires inspite of all that you said 🙏📚
This letter describes Jesus' arrest, trial and Crucification. Written by Ponteus Pilate himself to Tiberius Caesar, and Pilate's personal experiences with Christ. You'll be glad I sent you this. m.ua-cam.com/video/JP3-P-LrTVE/v-deo.html
Jesus said blessed are they who have not seen Him and believe...I receive that blessing thank you very much...next question
this is a blanket statement... which doesn't require any proof... to sustain one's belief... thank you.
REPATH ATHYALA he never said it did.
I shall accept that and hope that he is the compassionate savior I believe Him to be....
This letter describes Jesus' arrest, trial and Crucification. Written by Ponteus Pilate himself to Tiberius Caesar, and Pilate's personal experiences with Christ. You'll be glad I sent you this. m.ua-cam.com/video/JP3-P-LrTVE/v-deo.html
I believed first then i heard and saw Him sorry Sonora but this what you said is irrelevant to what we were discussing here
Yes there are, the reports of Pilate and others deafingly resound through His Story.
There’s a detailed account of Pilates encounters with Jesus and the translated text can be found on UA-cam.
Historians agree that the gospels (written in Greek, by unknown authors, from 70 to 140CE) portray Jesus as famous far and wide, a prophet and healer, with great multitudes of people who knew about him, including the greatest Jewish high priests and the Roman authorities of the area, and not one person records his existence during his lifetime? If the poor, the rich, the rulers, the highest priests, and the scribes knew about Jesus, who would not have heard of him?
Amazingly, we have not one Jewish, Greek, or Roman writer, even those who lived in the Middle East, much less anywhere else on the earth, whoever mention him during his supposed life time. This appears quite extraordinary, and you will find few Christian apologists who dare mention this embarrassing fact.
Maybe you can give the authors name who have worked you into their historical narrative because obviously everybody must have been mentioned in a book or they're not real.
the idea that someone who could walk across water and bring beloved family members back from the dead would have attracted the notice of some important people is pretty persuasive. However Jesus probably didnt do any of those things,he was just another prophet in the desert in a land where desert prophets were more common than camels. It doesnt make him mythical but you dont attract a lot of people to your newly formed church without padding the resume a little.
Exactly. A person who self proclaimed or was proclaimed as God incarnate would cause such a gargantuan furor that no amount of suppression of written materials by non believers could prevent the reappearance of large number of contemporary records about the Universe almighty God or God the son who once walked amongst the faithfuls in Jerusalam and Palestinian lands during the 20s and 30s AD. I would find it incredible that Christian apologists could blatantly argued that only some scanty material albeit highly controversial ones can be found only some 7 years, 10 years or more probably 20-40 years later after his presupposed death. Even if there was a Jesus character or as some said a Yeshua teacher was around during those times, given that the name was amongst the most popular Jewish names used then, how could one be sure these rare records of his 'divine' existence or any writings of his great works were not latter embellishments? Extraordinary assertions do require substantial and credible materials to be used to back them up. In this case neither the quality nor the quantity of materials back up these incredulous claims. It would be to the churches great advantage to easily avail non Christian historians and independent researchers all these materials than hide them in the dark recesses of their libraries. The onus is thus on them to produce the sources to 'wipe' the atheists arguments off the planet. But unfortunately they didnt and couldnt. Base on these arguments, we can hence safely disregard these wild claims and half baked evidences. Of course there are obvious reasons why Christian scholars religiously argued their case with such weak evidences. One thing for sure is they do have a lot to lose if they lose the debates, considering their jobs could be at stake hence the need to rigorously defend and propagate these lies at all costs.
@@jlrinc1420 However.....his followers (the 12 and other descipels) willingly died for their belief in Jesus of Nazareth.....not only once but over years and years.......as someone said myrtyres do not die for a great lie.....
@@daviddavenport9350 But you assume that Jesus without the miracles was not worth dying for. This may be true but his message was radical enough to gather followers who would have willingly given their life with or without the miracles because they believed what he was teaching. This seems entirely plausible more so than his ability to walk across water.
This is what I was going to state, Pontus Pilot wrote a letter to Ceasor Emperor of Rome giving him details of the crucification. That letter can be got on UTUBE. Also a letter from Caisopus The High Priest. They have recently through archeology found a tomb of the high priests. A ossary box containing the bones of Caiphos found inside it 2 nails, and one nail outside the box, dating back to the time of the crucification. Did this high priest realise what he had done afterwards, and took these artifacts to the grave with him. Greetings from Northern Ireland.
That letter has been found to be a fake
my question becomes if you use the argument that it required great importance for the texts to be copied that it proves Divinity, does that mean all the books left out should be believed, and what about other early religious figures who's stories were copied does that make them Divine also?
that's rather like a cherry on top of other evidence
but sure believe what you want to believe, not like you will change your mind whatever i say especially after that video.
ALL FOR THE GLORY & HONER OF THE MOST HIGH,YHWH! THE ROMAN'S WOULD HAVE KNOWN HIM,BY HIS GIVEN NAME 'YESHUA'
THE LETTER 'J' HAS NOT BEEN INVENTED YET,AND WON'T MAKE
IT'S ENTRANCE FOR ANOTHER 1500 YEARS.
Yes. Yeshuah. Lazy today. Ancient political scientists, ambassadors are more common than you'd think. Ancient Roman seers in particular, are common today, in an age where 6th grade news papers are the standard. Actual, real, genius political scientists set in their couch and beg their honeys to get the crowbar to pry them off so they can get to the computer keyboard and grace the public with their superior knowledge about proper political acumen in ancient Rome. Who'd have ever guessed it! Hey, a bit off topic, y'all got the address of where you'll line up for your injection? They need some Tu-u-u-u-cker? Bha-a-a-a-h?
This is probably the best response so far! Good Job!
There is a letter from Pontius Pilate to Tiberius Ceasar. Pontius Pilate actually describes Jesus Christ as he personally witnessed one of his sermons from afar. There where three copies made for public registry at that time one was for Rome another left in Jerusalem and the third I am not certain of.
Pilate wrote a longer letter of the days leading up to His crucifixion and his resurrection. Multitudes also knew Jesus!
There ARE roman records. There was one written by Pontius Pilate to Tiberius Caesar, explaining what had been going on in his jurisdiction.
Just to note. The gospel of Luke is in fact a secular record by a researcher that just happened to be so inclusive that it ended up included in the bible cannon. Luke was not one of the disciples.
This can be answered very easily.
Was there a group of people known and called by the Romans as Christians in the first century?
Was there a group of people known and called by the Jews as Christians in the first century?
Was there a man named Yeshua ben Joseph, that the Sanhedrin called son of Pantera and he was accused of being a bastard of a Jewish woman name Maryam who went around healing the sick and they had put on trial for blasphemy that they recorded as turning over to the Romans for execution that are in the Sanhedrin trial documents you can read today?
Was there a man named Pontius Pilate whose stone inscription calls him the prefect of Judea?
Was there a bone box of a priest named Joseph Caiaphas found in Jerusalem?
Was there a priest named Joseph Caiaphas mentioned by name by Flavius Josephus?
Was there a Theophilus?
Was there a Herod the Great?
Was there a Herod Antipas (Antipater)?
Was there a tetrarch named Philip?
Does the city of Caeseria exist?
Did the city of Jerusalem fall in 70 AD?
Was there a Mariamne married to Herod the Great?
Was there a Salome?
Was there a priest named Aristobolus?
Was there a man named Matthias also tried by the Sanhedrin recorded in trial documents of the Sanhedrin?
Was there a man name James, the brother of Jesus, also tried by the Sanhedrin and recorded by the Sanhedrin?
Why does the Babylonian Talmud first written in 70 AD mention Jesus as being executed by the Romans?
In what century do the Jews first claim that Jesus is not the messiah?
Given that you can find every one of these names from Roman and Jewish sources that are available to you, why would you assume there are no records?
But the answer is in the first. Was there a group of people in the first century known by and called as Christians by the Romans?
Because there are no records. Most of what you list are legends with no historical evidence.
when Karl Marx was around-were his followers called Marxists?
And there you have it! Bravo!
This letter describes Jesus' arrest, trial and Crucification. Written by Ponteus Pilate himself to Tiberius Caesar, and Pilate's personal experiences with Christ. You'll be glad I sent you this. m.ua-cam.com/video/JP3-P-LrTVE/v-deo.html
Another example: on July 4, 1054, a star in the constellation Taurus went super nova. (We call it the Crab Nebula) For two years it was the brightest object in the sky, visible even in broad daylight. It was recorded by astronomers all over the world. What about the Star of Bethlehem, which drew the wise men from the East? No one else saw it.
It’s called the southern croix look it up
The Chinese possibly did.
There was a comet that lasted 70 days, written about in 5AD.
If Satan is real, which he is, he would be in high gear getting rid of the few documents written about Jesus. We also must consider that hardly anyone was literate back then.
He must have been really busy doing that. So much so that he totally forgot to do something about the Bible lol
Rome was very, very literate and Satan would have to bargain with god, considering God would probably want more people to believe and the best way for someone to believe is to have the guy’s names on a record.
Satan will always lie about Jesus!!! Those who deny Christ are of the father of LIES!
Setting aside the issue of what has survived the ages, why would the brief street ministry of a (then) locally known stonemason/carpenter - in a backwater region of the empire at that - be noted by Roman authorities at the time? The references to Jesus start to show up as his followers grew in number and spread.
He was tried and executed, so there should be records of those. Also he ‘raised’ Lazarus from the dead, he fed a crowd using fish and bread and cured a blind man etc, one would think that’s remarkable.
@@desalines Exactly and because of these miracles the pharisees called him a sorcerer of satan!
@@desalines I guess we're just going to ignore pilots letters about Jesus. The Roman catholic church became the power of Rome and would obviously take every existing document about Jesus into the Vatican...where there's an astounding cache of documents.
@@daniellebonhoure5196 We can’t ignore what we’ve never seen or even heard about. There be unicorns, dragons and the dead walking out of their graves in the Bible also - it’s a place where reality and fantasy live side by side comfortably
With these points in mind, it is then all that much more significant and remarkable that so much of the Biblical writings had survived from antiquity. That they have done so with such consistent replication is a miracle.
Dude cured cancer, blindness, turned chemical compounds in liquid, walked on water, parted a whole sea, rose from the dead... but yeah sure thing... nothing documenting him smh lol
Its not like the people in the roman times could just write everything down on paper 📝 or video record everything and put it in a stainless steel box and bury it safely and expect it to survive. Lol 😂
Using that logic why believe in the bible?
Excuses , excuses. The Roman wouldn't have put so much effort into killing this man of no significance. If they went that far to kill him ,he must have of had some importance. If he was that important they would have had him on record. Its amazing how all of this came out of no where.
When Jesus died he had only 120 people who believed in him. When his fame grew he was written about and then his fame spread world wide and changed the entire course of history. Get over it atheist he is pretty well known i would say...God did a good job in letting the world know of his son. Very shortly here you go:1. A.D. 64, the Roman historian Tacitus wrote:
Nero fastened the guilt ... on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus (Christ), from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of ... Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome....[5] 2. Pliny was the Roman governor of Bithynia in Asia Minor around A.D. 112 wrote:
They were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light, when they sang in alternate verses a hymn to Christ, as to a god, and bound themselves by a solemn oath, not to any wicked deeds, but never to commit any fraud, theft or adultery, never to falsify their word, nor deny a trust when they should be called upon to deliver it up; after which it was their custom to separate, and then reassemble to partake of food - but food of an ordinary and innocent kind.[10]
3. Josephus, a first century Jewish historian. On two occasions, in his Jewish Antiquities, he mentions Jesus. The second, less revealing, reference describes the condemnation of one "James" by the Jewish Sanhedrin. This James, says Josephus, was "the brother of Jesus the so-called Christ” this agrees with Paul's description of James in Galatians 1:19 as "the Lord's brother."
4. As interesting as this brief reference is, there is an earlier one, which is truly astonishing. Called the "Testimonium Flavianum," the relevant portion declares:
About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he ... wrought surprising feats.... He was the Christ. When Pilate ...condemned him to be crucified, those who had . . . come to love him did not give up their affection for him. On the third day he appeared ... restored to life.... And the tribe of Christians ... has ... not disappeared.[17]
5. Babylonian Talmud, a collection of Jewish rabbinical writings compiled approximately A.D. 70-500.
On the eve of the Passover Yeshu (Jesus) was hanged. For forty days before the execution took place, a herald ... cried, "He is going forth to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy."[21
Lucian of Samosata, Celsus, Cornelius Tacitus, Pliny the younger , the Talmud, Seutonius and Flavius Josephus . The Dead Sea Scrolls", Phlegon. These people have lived during the first and the second century.
Well done, Bret!
Have you heard of Dr Richard Carrier the historian? If you're looking for evidence your find what you're looking for in his lectures.keep well
you sound mad, dude
For those who don't believe Jesus existed you sure do love to talk about him. Believe what you want. I believe he was real and will come back soon. Anyone brave enough to stand up with me and be counted? Then give me a thumbs up. It's enough to make one ask ,say which end do atheists think with? Never mind it's obvious both are cracked.
There are.
Pontius Pilate.
Josephus in the Jewish Wars for Titus.
Pliny.
Etc etc.
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The Roman historian Tacitus(116 AD) also shares some valuable information: "Christians derived their name from a man called Christ, who, during the reign of the Emperor Tiberius had been executed by sentence of the procurator Pontius Pilate. The deadly superstition [he's talking about the resurrection],thus checked for the moment, broke out afresh not only in Judea, the first source of the evil,but also in the city of Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world meet and become popular."~ Tacitus,Annals 15.44
The Gregorian calendar, the State instituted Roman Catholic Church......
See Richard Carrier concerning Josephues... It was injected therefore a forgery
Considering all the so-called "miracles" performed by Yeshua, it is amazing that no records of them (other than the jewish book of myths) survived. Also, Yeshua was known by a considerable number of people in that area especially when you include the 5,000 he fed with a couple of loaves of bread and two fishes.
Can you name just one of those 5000 he fed?...just one?... that's all I ask...just one?
@@lrcavalli290 Simon
Educate yourself, don’t spout nonsense based on your inept academic knowledge.
History is an excellent subject, study it.
Your video will go down in history as a fumbled attempt to purvey your bias.
That’s not a rebuttal though....
Well he's a left wing liberal radical. Sooooo
This letter describes Jesus' arrest, trial and Crucification. Written by Ponteus Pilate himself to Tiberius Caesar, and Pilate's personal experiences with Christ. You'll be glad I sent you this. m.ua-cam.com/video/JP3-P-LrTVE/v-deo.html
Pilate reported to Caesar of the crucifixion of Jesus. BAM!!!! Take your video down.
Whatever you think '' pilate reported to ceasar '' is not evidence -- not contemporaneous.
The vast majority of scholars who study this period accept that there is ample evidence for a historical Jesus.
Not so! The majority of scholars from the Western (historically Christian) countries have acquiesced in claims for the historicity of Jesus, sometimes for no better reason than that it was too much hassle to object, and in the past (and to this day in primitive and backward places like the Yankee Bible Belt) there could be detrimental consequences for challenging these claims. There are some genuine scholars who conclude that Jesus was a real historical figure (Bart Ehrman for example) but any critical examination of the evidence for this would have to conclude that it was plausible but unproven. By any reasonable application of the normal Historical Method we can plainly see that claims for Jesus' historicity do not reach the evidential standard required for any degree of certainty.
Plus, if the govt felt Christ's crucifixion was wrong, they would scrub the docs.
There are!!! Pilate wrote a bunch of letters to Seneca and to Emperor Tiberius!!!
not realy there are dukuments that say that he wrote latters...and its about jesus and there are around 120 years later
Pontus pilot liked Jesus but he had to order his Execution to prevent a uprising.......
There is a lot of documents in the Vatican library about Jesus that has been kept for hundreds of years pretty much in secret . There is a book called “ The Archo Volume “ or something like that written years ago by a man that had access to the Vatican library . He supposedly found many manuscripts that was written about the life and time of Jesus and of many characters that lived during Jesus day . I read it many years ago and it was very interesting. It really goes along with the Biblical account of the life , and death , and burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ .
Sorry , but that book is called “ The Archko Volume “ And you can find it on You Tube .
@@louiswhitehead5938 Thank you. Infill be looking this up. Winifred Thompson. Northern Ireland.
Pontius Pilate did have a record of Jesus it's called ACTA Pilate. Also known as the record of Pontius pilot
Absolutely true Stacy. It is really amazing how money can corrupt a person's moral integrity. It is said that "money makes the World go around". No wonder the World is so corrupt.
This letter describes Jesus' arrest, trial and Crucification. Written by Ponteus Pilate himself to Tiberius Caesar, and Pilate's personal experiences with Christ. You'll be glad I sent you this. m.ua-cam.com/video/JP3-P-LrTVE/v-deo.html
How does this man not know that Pontius Pilot reported about some of the life of Jesus and his crucifixion and rise to Ceasar?
Jesus was an insignificant character to the then Roman authorities.
SO their 'scribes' recorders of Roman records did not see it fit to document his activities/ teaching .
Roman history of the 1st century is well documented.
Jesus is mentioned in Roman documents and by Roman historians. This guy is not well educated on history.
This letter describes Jesus' arrest, trial and Crucification. Written by Ponteus Pilate himself to Tiberius Caesar, and Pilate's personal experiences with Christ. You'll be glad I sent you this. m.ua-cam.com/video/JP3-P-LrTVE/v-deo.html
exactly and who would document somebody who was " a carpenter son of a carpenter - according to the Jews"
There are Roman historians that mention Jesus, there are hostile Jewish historians who mention Jesus
….there are ex- biblical writings that mention Jesus and even mentions that people believed him to be god
The letter from Caiafuss to caesar .
Atheists used to make a big point of questioning whether Pontius Pilate ever existed. From what I understand, they would say there is no record of such a guy outside the Gospels. I mean no record - that he was ever governor of the province or that anyone with that name ever lived. They didn't say the province didn't have a governor; just that there was no way to know his name. That was until the 1960s, when some archaeological dig in Caesarea found a theater stone that said it was built by Governor Pontius Pilate. That was in the 30s, and what we know of the province just a few decades later is vastly greater. When St. Paul was imprisoned in Caesarea, we have Roman documentation about those two governors. The first one was living with a famous woman (who was married to a client king) and who would become the most famous individual to die at Pompeii from the volcanic eruption in year 79. St. Paul was invited to dinner with the governor and this 'wife' on occasion. They wanted to talk to him about buying his way out of prison; he wanted to talk to them about marital fidelity.
Excellent explanation. -Joseph
The transformation of the Roman Catholic Church is your main record of the Roman knowledge of Jesus. They don't want the world to see Jesus as he really is and keep all followers deceived of the true Christian practice. Depriving the world of spiritual connection to the father.
Archeologists did find some stone with Pilate's name inscribed on it.
And a roman Historian wrote of Jesus in around 150 A.D. (close enough).
All this is evident but only faith will get to God's heart
Tacitus (the roman historian) wrote of the FOLLOWERS of Christ, not Christ himself. Tacitus did not determine if this "god" actually existed. Josephus (the jewish historian) did not write about Jesus at all (the verses that mention him are a known INTERPOLATION - meaning, they were added many years later, and not even in the same language Josephus had written in.
No, 150 years is not "close enough". C'mon man, are you going to trust your soul to "close enough"?
@@jerrylanglois7892 But why did his early followers (the Apostles) allow themselves to die very painful deaths for something they knew was a lie?
@@brightwellkunene8995 The apostles probably did not exist either. The only references to them in history are the new testament writings. news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/03/160306-bible-apostle-jesus-christian-religion-ngbooktalk/ And the earliest evidence for Peter's martydom comes from the gospel of John, written about 30 years after his death. So we don't even know if that is true. He is the "best sourced" of all the apostles, and even his evidence is just from the bible. The early church fathers wrote about them, but this was 200 years after their deaths. Most of this could very plausibly be just legend.
@@brightwellkunene8995 Martyrdom is not unique to christianity. People have died for all religions not to mention political causes. 9\11 was a good recent example... muslims dying for islam.
@@jerrylanglois7892 First of you say, the Apostles 'probably" never existed. The suggestion is that you are not sure of this, you are just thinking aloud. Useless to debate a 'probably' statement. Be sure of what you mean. Either they did exist or they did not. Which is which? I will also then be able to respond to your statement on martyrdom in which you seek to inform me of the already obvious-suggesting I am ignorant
The documents relevant to jesus of nazareth would have been kept at the fortress antonia, the records of the registration of the jews at golgotha for the tribes of the jews, the temple archives of the proceedings of the sanhedrin, copies sent to the archives of the prefect in caesaria philippi, copies sent to the governor of syria, and copies sent to the tabularium in Rome.
The records would have been intact presumably until the time of commodus or marcus aurelius. Luke would have had an easy time to extract these documents prior to the destruction of the temple. The apostolic fathers would have had a lot of opportunities to extract the same records until the reign of marcus aurelius.
It is reasonable to assume that fragmented tecords and archives would have been available until 250 from the crucifixion of jesus, or until the reign of septimus severus. This is about the same distance in history of us today and george Washington. Consider that to give you an idea of the span of time and circumstances of preservation.
Josephus also makes a reference to those who followed 'the way', and their forerunner.
Jesus was charged with blasphemy it was a capitol offence .💯
Wouldn't the miracles be worth copying. I mean it's not every day that you find someone healing the blind, sick, and paralyzed or even bringing the dead back to life. If something like what Jesus did happened now, it would be all over every national news site.
Exactly Darth, that is it in a nutshell... yet there is nothing.
Stan Stevens - There is the testimony of Peter, John, Matthew, James... These men walked with Jesus. These are several collaborating witnesses of His miracles. -Joseph
The gospels were not written by who you think, we don't know who wrote them. The bible is NOT a historical record. Merry Christmas BTW :)
donwharrison - The jew books, the Talmud. The jew rabbis who did not convert, write of their hatred of Jesus. Rather than believe in Jesus' acts as miracles, the unbelieving jew rabbis called Him a sorcerer/magician. - Josef
The Talmud wasn't started until 200 CE so it is still just hearsay and proves nothing.
The question why are there no Roman records of Jesus is like a kid asking the question why does 7+7 equal 18.
There are many records.
You’re all wrong, 1 they didn’t make vinyl back then and 2 Jesus didn’t sing
. Do some reaserch!! Tacitus' a roman historian refered to the execution of Jesus by Pontius Pilate is both authentic, and of historical value as an independent Roman source. 58ad
Lol they basically referred to Jesus as a wise man or a magician.
@@hunterofajax1963 their opinion is not discussed,nor the point.the point is there IS record and here is ignored or this guy didnt do his homework.
Had Pilate, being a Jew found that Jesus had committed a sin worthy of the death sentence according to Jewish law, He would have been "stoned to death" by His accusers. Crucifixion was the Roman method of execution according to Roman law.
Pilate was roman, not Jewish.
There are records from Pilates
yes there are
Nothing is hidden before the Lord. Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord. Bible prophecies are continuing to be fulfilled. Life and love are miracles from God each day. The human heart and the human brain each have their own memories. God is love. God is glorious. God hates sin.
Letters from Pontius Pilates to Tiberius about Jesus and the crucifixion were in the Vatican i have copies of the original
lol
You might want to read up on Philo of Alexandria, a Hellenised Jewish rabbi and writer and historian who was born about the time Jesus was born and lived in Palestine and had family there, from memory his sister had married into the family of Herod. Despite not being a Christian he is regarded as one of the Church Fathers, being the author of the tenets that the Christian church adopted regarding Heaven and Hell and the afterlife. He outlived Jesus but in none of his writings does he even mention him, no crowds, no miracles, no darkness in the afternoon, no earthquakes, no resurrection of the dead from the cemetery Jesus was supposed to be buried in as reported in the gospels. He also wrote a detailed history of Pontius Pilate's violent and controversial governorship of Palestine, and all the terrible things he did to upset the Jews, but again Philo makes no mention of Jesus or Barrabas. The Romans weren't the only people writing eyewitness accounts of history. You don't seem to have many books behind you on your shelves. May I suggest you read and research more before you publicly broadcast your ignorance and biased opinions. You do not do your particular faith any favours by pushing inaccurate half truth and guesses. Believe what you want but don't fear the truth, your faith should be stronger than that.
I have just. Read a report by Pilot to Caesar about Jesus including his death and resurrection. Evidently kept in the Vatican library. Maybe it holding other such documents.
Correct! Yahuwah said: "everything that has been concealed will be revealed " - also if you haven't already done so: check out 2 Esdras ( which is 4th Ezra)- all the books given to Ezra for recording for the people after the destruction of Jerusalem Temple: 94 books, Yahuwah told him to let the people have 24, hold back 70 for the WISE! ( also told Daniel to seal up the books for a later time) This is the later time, and everything is being revealed for the End Of the Age is here. ( These books are all about what is to happen when Jesus comes, the church age, the final judgment. In complete agreement with Book of Revelation, without all the confusing symbolism. Also in Book of Enoch, very powerful and 2nd Baruch. Be ready. We are there. Praise Yahuwah in Yahushua ha Moshiach. Amen. Baruch Abba HaShem. 💓💜😝😇
This letter describes Jesus' arrest, trial and Crucification. Written by Ponteus Pilate himself to Tiberius Caesar, and Pilate's personal experiences with Christ. You'll be glad I sent you this. m.ua-cam.com/video/JP3-P-LrTVE/v-deo.html
Ancient political scientists, ambassadors are more common than you'd think. Ancient Roman seers in particular, are common today, in an age where 6th grade news papers are the standard. Actual, real, genius political scientists set in their couch and beg their honeys to get the crowbar to pry them off so they can get to the computer keyboard and grace the public with their superior knowledge about proper political acumen in ancient Rome. Who'd have ever guessed it! Hey, a bit off topic, y'all got the address of where you'll line up for your injection? You need some Tu-u-u-u-cker? Bha-a-a-a-h?
Snake lineage gets ta' hissin' real loud when they encounter Yeshua.
@Paul Wieringa Snake lineage gets ta' hissin' real loud when they encounter Yeshua.
There are many records of Jesus and biblical facts in the byzantine roman archives in Istanbul or Constantinople. Amd philo, Josrphus, and other historian s..
Sure, there are " many '' records of jesus but unfortunately none are contemporaneous so none count as evidence.
Two things the records that mention Jesus are from decades later, and there are many reasons to preserve a writing other than the claims contained within are true.
Jesus and all these stories belong to the Middle East and that society. I used to be a christian not by choice ( born into a Christian family ), not anymore by choice based on finding out the truth about my own traditional culture and values. I value my own culture, it belongs to my people along with its teachings. Knowing right from wrong is a universal value which my culture and society have thousands of years before Christianity came along.
Flavius Josephus
Pontius Pilate wrote a letter to Caesar about Jesus, people just automatically assume these things don't exist.
+Rabbi God Jr
Actually, you are assuming the letter *does* exist. The earliest mention dates to the 14th century and is a supposed translation. So....produce the autograph or STFU about it. lol
@@rickstandard2477 In the letter the writer is mentioning a lot of things that would only have taken place in the 1st century.
+@@formerlyrabbigodjr1110
How difficult is it to write a letter using earlier stories? Not very.....lol
That's not evidence the letter actually existed.
Someone today can write a letter using references that could only be during WW2...does that mean the letter dates to WW2? Nope
You failed miserably
@@rickstandard2477 You're not reading the letter, it's actually taking place in the 1st century, anyone could say it's a fraudulent letter, how easy it is to prove it?
+@@formerlyrabbigodjr1110
"You're not reading the letter"
You aren't producing the letter to read. lol
1. Produce the autograph and we'll see if your claim is true.
2. The proof lies with those making the positive claim so it's on you to prove the letter exists and says what you claim it says.
......hop to it
We see predictive programming in movies. The bible is just the oldest form.
Heather.
???? You should not build your knowledge on movies :-)
This letter describes Jesus' arrest, trial and Crucification. Written by Ponteus Pilate himself to Tiberius Caesar, and Pilate's personal experiences with Christ. You'll be glad I sent you this. m.ua-cam.com/video/JP3-P-LrTVE/v-deo.html
@@hephopa6573 that’s not what he meant, but your pee brain just doesn’t understand.
There is a record AMAZING Roman Letter of Pontius Pilate to Tiberius Caesar about Jesus Christ & the Jews.
Why would anyone worship a God that sucks at being God? If you had all of Gods' supposed powers what would you do? What would you do differently? People have tried to excuse away the reasons God works in mysterious ways even when it appears he must be pure evil. The arguements that God chooses not to intervene, can't intervene or does not exist far outweigh any evidence of existence and so rationale should tell anyone that belief in God is illogical. If you do believe in God then clearly it must be seen that he or she really has no talent for the position of Supreme being that has murdered millions if not billions. Enjoys watching rape, torture, starvation and has no sense of fair play. I'm an atheist and proud to be a critical thinker.
Hartcore11 God given mankind freewill...look what it has become?....do you think taking away your freewill as an atheist would be rape too?
Hartcore11 them some strong words to be stating but for your sake , you better hope your right before you close your eyes for good.
"By your words shall you be justified, by your words you shall be condemned "
" But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment."
"Without faith it is impossible to please God, he that comes to God must FIRST believe that he exists! And that he rewards those who diligently seeks him"
Levi Walker How is it free will if we are told you will suffer in hell if you make the wrong choice. Free will is when you can decide to do something without threats otherwise your behaviour is not a moral choice just self preservation.
bertaga41 God is actually tryna keep you from being destroyed because of the evil nature that exist, he wants you to be righteous in everything, that's the way his nature is and that's the way he wants those who believes in him to be in order to inherit his kingdom which will be on earth
none unknown If I say to someone love me or else I will imprison you and torture you for ever they do not have free will because I am coercing them. If you say there's lots of ways to live, choose the way of life that is best for you and others round you you are approaching free will.
Pontius Pilate wrote letters to Tiberius Caesar. The last letter was a descriptive narration.of the proceedilng of Yeshua before him.
a known forgery.
Aside from Pilate stone, Tacitus, Philo, and Josephus, no records of Pontius Pilate.
I think Pontious Pilot was an actual figure but he was a nasty SOB and wouldn't have been so willing to let a rebel go as he did in the bible. It's a case of the writers taking what little they knew of the characters of the time then making shit up.
Unspeakable Gaming In 1961 a stone plaque was unearthed which mentioned IIRC "Pontius Pilate Roman governor of Judea" - both Jesus & Pilate were historical figures. www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/people/historical-notes-pontius-pilate-a-name-set-in-stone-1084786.html%3famp
Pontius Pilate did write a letter to Tiberius in which he talks about the events of the death of Jesus, it is keep in London in a museum.
Roman history does not mention Pilate.
Pierre M Roman historian Cornelius Tacitus who was born in 55CE mentions both Jesus & his executioner Pilate in Annals There was also found in 1961 a stone tablet bearing the name of Pontus Pilate procurator of Judea in an inscription.
You are absolutely wrong and proven over and over by Atheist Accredited Scholars from every University.
Jesus reveals himself today u can know Him personaly so it doesnt matter about records there are loads of Records about Jesus .
Seek help!
Jesus name is a pagan lie.
there was never anyone named Jesus that became Yahweh the father in the flesh.
THE NAME IMMANUEL AS THE BIRTH GIVEN NAME:
Matthew 13:55-56
55. Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not his mother called Mary? And his brethren, Jacob, and Joseph, and Simon, and Judah?
56. And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?
Mark 6:3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of Jacob, and Joseph, and of Judah, and Simon? And are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.
Jacob, Joseph, Judah and Simon, the names of his brothers are all Hebrew names and Immanuel is also a Hebrew name; but Jesus is a Latinized Greek name. Why would Mary and Joseph name all the other sons Hebrew names but name him JESUS? The answer is they would not, Immanuel was his birth given name.
John 6:42 And they said, Is not this (Immanuel), the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How is it then that he says, I came down from heaven?
You may be saying in my scriptures, John 6:42 has the name Jesus or Yahshua and not Immanuel. Let me prove to you that Immanuel was his name. Immanuel was prophesied in Isaiah 7:14 to be the name at birth. Everyone who knew him as he was growing up, knew him by the name Immanuel. This was his earthly name which would have been on the tax lists.
Isaiah 7:14 Therefore Yahweh himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Isaiah 7:14, is the prophecy for Immanuel’s name.
Let's compare this with when the Messenger appeared to Joseph in a dream, telling him what to name the child. You will see the contradiction.
Matthew 1:23 is the fulfillment of the Isaiah 7:14 prophecy.
Matthew 1:21-23 -- THE LIE
21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
22. Now all this took place to fulfill what was spoken by the Lord through the prophet:
23. BEHOLD, THE VIRGIN SHALL BE WITH CHILD AND SHALL BRING FORTH A SON, AND THEY SHALL CALL HIS NAME IMMANUEL," which translated means, "GOD WITH US."…
As you should be able to see in the above verses that they put JESUS, SIN, LORD, GOD. These are all proven to be pagan deity names. They put those into the scriptures to take the place of the true names or words as you can see with the truth put back.
How the scripture should read:
Matthew 1:21-23 .. THE TRUTH
21. And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name IMMANUEL: for he shall save his people from their transgressions.
22. Now all this was done, to fulfill which was spoken of Yahweh by the prophet saying,
23. Behold a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name IMMANUEL, which being interpreted is Yahweh with us.
24. Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the Messenger of Yahweh had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
25. And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name IMMANUEL.
Isaiah 7:14 ........Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. PROPHECY
Matthew 1:23 Behold a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name IMMANUEL, FULFILLMENT
The prophecy could never have been fulfilled if the birth given name was any other than IMMANUEL.
El means mighty one, and Isaiah 44:6 Thus says Yahweh the King of Israel, and his redeemer Yahweh of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no EL /MIGHTY ONE. This is why EL at the end of IMMANUEL actually means YAHWEH because there is no other except HIM.
Isaiah 8:8,10
8. And he shall pass through Judah; he shall overflow and go over, he shall reach even to the neck; and the stretching out of his wings shall fill the breadth of thy land, O Immanuel.
10. Take counsel together, and it shall come to nought; speak the word, and it shall not stand: for Yahweh is with us.
THE PARADOX
Yahweh said his name would be Immanuel, NOT JESUS, not YAHSHUA OR ANY OTHER NAME. The name Jesus, which is supposed to be a transliteration of the name Joshua or Yahshua. Let me now prove that Joshua and Jesus names are not and never were the same name.
Jesus = English
Iesous = Greek
Iesus = Latin
The above is Jesus in English, Greek and Latin. As you can see there is no word in the Hebrew for the name Jesus.
Joshua = English
IOSIAS = Greek = ÉÙÓÉÁÓ"
Josue = Latin
Yahshua = Hebrew = Yahweh salvation
The above is Joshua in English, Greek, Latin and Hebrew.
These two verses is where they injected Joshua.
Hebrews 4:8 KJV
For if JESUS had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day
Hebrews 4:8 New American Standard Version
For if JOSHUA had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another day after that.
Acts 7:45 KJV
Which also our fathers that came after brought in with JESUS into the possession of the Gentiles, whom God drove out before the face of our fathers, unto the days of David;
Acts 7:45 New American Standard Version
And having received it in their turn, our fathers brought it in with JOSHUA upon dispossessing the nations whom God drove out before our fathers, until the time of David.
American Standard first came out in 1900 well after the lie was already perpetuated on the name Jesus and why they inserted Joshua in those verses.
Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spoke unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses and in the prophets, and in the Psalms, concerning me.
If the prophecy of Isaiah 7:14 was not fulfilled, which it was in Matthew 1:22-23 and if the prophecy of Hebrews 1:4 and Philippians 2:9 was not fulfilled, which it was in John 5:43; then, he did not fulfill all the prophecies about himself and he never came. Although, Luke 24:44 says they must ALL be fulfilled, which HE DID.
This is why you have many of these Yahweh Movements, Jewish Movements and Righteous Name Movements using Yahshua/Yehshua/Yahoshua and other spellings for the son's name which they use for their salvation just like Christians use the name Jesus for theirs. Christianity is where they were brainwashed to believe it was the birth given name that brought or brings salvation, yet there is no salvation for today.
You will hear some say that EL is a pagan deity. But I believe you will find that statement is not true.
ImmanuEL, IsraEL, RaphaEL, SamuEL, PeniEL, GabriEL, MichaEL, EzekiEL, DaniEL, JoeEL, IshmaEL , AbEL
AWAY IN THE MANGER
Away in a manger, no crib for a bed,
The little Immanuel laid down His sweet head.
The stars in the sky looked down where He lay,
The little Immanuel asleep on the hay.
The cattle are lowing, the Baby awakes,
But little Immanuel, no crying He makes;
I love Thee Yahweh, look down from the sky
And stay by my cradle till morning is nigh.
Be near me, Yahweh, I ask Thee to stay
Close by me forever, and love me, I pray;
Bless all the dear children in Thy tender care,
And fit us for the new earth to live with Thee there.
Revised by Gary Wendell Stanfield
Jesus = English
The name ‘Jesus’ the English translation of the Greek name ‘Éçóïõò’ (Iesous),
Iesous = Greek
Iesus = Latin
Eesa = Arabic same as Hebrew Esau, Latinized to Jesus
The Qur'an uses the name "`Eesa" for "Esau" for the name Jesus.
Joshua = English / Jesus = English
Joshua / Iosias = Greek - Jesus / Iesous = Greek
Joshua / Josue = Latin - Jesus / Iesus = Latin
Joshua / Yahshua = Hebrew - Jesus / they have no name for Jesus
Jesus = Iesous = EA - Zeus = Healing Zeus
Jesus name comes from two pagan deity names Ea which was a deity of healing and Zeus. That's why it makes sense that the Greek deity of healing was Iesous,
Jesus = English
Jesus comes from the Greek name "Iesous/IHSOUS" and Latin "Iesus." "Iesous" is adapted from the name of the Greek goddess of healing "Iesos/Iaso," the daughter of Apollo, the Sun-deity. This goddess was linked to the Egyptian "Isis" who had a son named "Isu." During the era of Roman Emperors, there were numerous worshippers of "Isis." Many converted to Constantine's religion that mixed paganism with the Messianic faith that eventually became the Roman Catholic Church. The Roman Catholic Church continues to use the sunburst emblem known as the "Eucharist" which to this day contains the Greek letters "IHS" for "IHSOUS." Further research reveals that the name "Jesus" is also linked to the Greek Sun-god "Zeus" who was the Greek interpretation of the Egyptian Sun-god "Amen-Rah."
Well, Justin Martyr, the Philosopher, claimed in one of his aplogies that there was an official report of Pontius Pilate in the Roman archives and that anyone can read them if they don't believe that Pilate executed Jesus. However, viral opinions between scholars differ as to whether these lost texts in question ever existed or whether Justin lied about them. But the later medieval Christian fanfictions about the letters and documents of Pontius Pilate (aka Pilate cycle), according to some, speaks for the hypothesis that such documents once existed, but after their disappearance or destruction, Christians have had the need to replace the missing texts.
Most so called experts have never read scripture
with an open mind!!!!
Most of those experts would need a can opener to open their mind.
Why would they because that would only prove that Satan doesn't exist.
The most really amazing thing is how the only begotten Son of God has so little real documention (actually none) outside a book a collection of fables and been accepted as real by so many people for so long. Real was he? In what terms?
You do understand that any legitimate, historical scholar will tell you there is more historical, non-religious documentation for a man named Jesus existing than almost any other human, not called Caesar, right?
And more than most Caesars, to be precise.
W do have record of Jesus. They are in the London library. The orbital letters. An exact account of the trail and crucifixion of Jesus. Said we do not have any account is just wrong
We do. Even his death certificate.
David Allds Could you give me a link to where I may read about these documents?
The video that has the accounts of Jesus trial and offical letter describing in great detail the events leading up Jesus resurrection. Acta Pilate.... Pirate's Report to Caesar
David Allds: Please copy paste the link to this video.
David Allds why is it that a search with very specific wording comes up with zero search results about your claims?
Tim Hallas ua-cam.com/video/n2UdpqsN2tw/v-deo.html
Pontius Pilate wrote a letter to Caesar saying he believed Jesus was the Son of God. Caiaphas did the same. A Roman record keeper named Thalleus or something similar to that said that Jesus was not a man. He said Jesus was surely capable of extraordinary feats. He said many believe Him to be the Son of God, and they may be correct.
duh because the vatican has them
HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE VATICAN HAS?
Philo of Alexandria was a Jewish religious scholar and wrote about the Messiah craze , named them and never mention a Jesus Christ and he visited Jerusalem while Jesus supposedly existed .
The mother of all, "I told you soes"
will be from Jesus Himself when He comes again.
Every eye will see Him on,
"The Day of Christ".
Revelation 6 Seal 6.
It's hard to extrapolate backwards from a few remaining artefacts. It's hard to find news and evidence of recent events that happened in our life time, let alone when whole civilisations have superseded past ones.
Even the local high streets has stores that have superseded old ones, new ones have been built, new road layouts, yet the transactions conducted within then and the experiences people had in them every day for decades would be hard to trace.
London was built over, old Roman civilisations and occasionally they'll come across something from the past, date it, interpret it, then it becomes a part of our historical knowledge, but was common every day knowledge to those living at the time.
The question should be why haven't we found...? Saying theres are no records assume you've excavated everything and correctly identified them.
@@javierrodao641 I wonder how many have replicated it in laboratory tests. It's not as if they haven't got all the elements hear on earth to replicate it: nothing.
~~~And the Cow Flew Over the Moon~~~
Great logic.... you are one of the few younger people today who has the ability to critically think.
Because jesus did not exist. Nor does god. Nor did penguins walk 8000 miles to an ark.
the existence of GOd or Noahs ark is a non sequitur. The question is whether roman records of Jesus exist. They
do!
What most people fail to realize is the Bible is not a work of history. The Septuagint (which predates the Masoretic text) has been rejected by Jews because in time it no longer fit in with their theological teachings. Despite that, certain books, like the first Maccabees, have a degree of historical truth in them. But theology is the main concern for religious texts. This also applies for the Christian canon. When Isaiah speaks of a "virgin" and later etymologists correct the term to refer to a young lady, the Christians retain the "virgin" because it works with their theology. When searching for history in religious texts, in that of characters, settings, stories, very little can be verified as evidence. Jesus (for the early Christians) most likely was a legend rather than actual person. The same can be said of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and even Moses (for the Israelites and Judeans). The only history to actually be found are by the followers of such theologies. In history there were people called Jews and Christians. But the origins of their faiths were only known to them within their specific groups. Until nations come into contact with other nations, only then can myths be transmitted and acclimated to fit in with their own fancy, and eventual theology. Hence a supposed Judaic Nazarene belief in time became a completely Hellenic gentile form of belief, one quite contrary to Judaic belief and practice.
Because he never existed. Next question.
mtklima oooohhhh edgyyyyy
Oh contrare - HE DOES exist, with proof a plenty.
So God comes to visit us Earthlings and no one finds it important enough to document it huh.
There are Roman records about Jesus including Pontius Pilate. In fact in his speaking of him could not understand why the Jewish priesthood had such a problem with him and he called Jesus to him and Jesus came and he warned him that the Jewish priesthood was possibly going to kill him.
Roman History don't have any record of Jesus but Bible says exactly the death age of Adam. How funny