Eng fan here. Mckenzie is terrific and people need to give him a chance to grow and focus on what he can do, exactly the same with Marcus Smith. Both young and exciting but with flaws currently. Expect NZ to win by a 10 pt margin on sat but not before they have a few problems. Eng wont rollover. Some fabulous talent in the NZ team but ENG have some pretty hood performers too. Cunningham-south is only 21 but puts himself about and so does Martin. Look out for slieghtholme on the wing if selected, he's tough and can really move much like manny. NZ are the better side but you never know.
As an AB fan, I’m loving the look of this England set up. If the momentum and incremental growth can be maintained until the next World Cup, I reckon England can be a top contender for it.
@@markhankin467 only problem is that McKenzie isn't young, he's 29. Maybe Razor can bring the best out of him, but for me he is better when there is less structure in the game and not against tight well organised defence.
Whatever you say about D.Mac he is a star to those overseas. He has flair and a good head on him when he is under pressure. Good to see he’s respected even if it’s not here. Go check out the Eggchaser channel for good unbiased coverage. I don’t abide by NZ coverage any more. Too harsh criticism and no positive feedback.
I would like to see Proctor and Clarke get a run this week. I’m a fan of Reiko but thought he was a little loose on the weekend. Start ALB with Proctor on the bench, the in form Clarke has to be given his chance he’s a bigger body and has vastly improved his work rate.
You're on drugs mate Sevu Reece is the best winger in the world right now. I like the combination of a big winger in Talea and a smaller more skillful guy in Reece. He scored a try, a 50/20 and got some of the games most crucial turnovers and made the biggest plays. He's leagues ahead of Clarke at international level and I genuinely think Sevu is the best winger in the world right at this moment. I reckon Razor and co have missed the boat with Clarke he should of moved to the chiefs this year and played centre. Rieko and ALB are not performing to the level expected I agree on that.
@@austingtir what level do you want ALB to play to when he easily won every single measurable stat for a midfielder this year despite being behind a losing pack? Every single stat. Reiko had a terrible year and shouldn't be there at all. Proctor combo with Jordie is good, ALB is better individual at either position.
@@axxey I agree to a point on ALB he's the best out of those two but imo neither of them are good enough at international level for NZ. We should be able to find someone better. Proctor looks ok. Id prefer someone like the highlanders 13 who steals the ball on D like Sevu or Aumua but Aumua is extremely one dimensional.
Sevu is our best winger so he definitely needs to stay on the right wing. Clarke does deserve a chance on the left though. He's had a better season than Telea this year especially compared to last year@@austingtir
Roigard is a huge loss at the moment for the ABs, he looked really good last year. Good to see Hotham called in as injury cover. Long term I think Reihana and Burke are the way to go at 10, I will be surprised if BB or DMac are anything more that bench warmers at the next RWC.
@@kelbatt7729 hope not(despite him playing well this week off the bench), he's blocking the selection of both a proper 15 and backup 10. I wish Savea wasn't there for the same reason. I'm not that interested in immediate returns 3 years from a world cup, Razor is just covering himself, super conservative.
@@iallso1 Yep. He was injured and missed most of Super Rugby. When he came back the Saders beat the Chiefs and the Blues. He was our Richie replacement. Big, big loss.
I don’t think JK’s seen the kicking stats. Australia and NZ kicked almost twice as much as South Africa, Wales and Ireland did in their games. Ireland and the previous AB side had some success against the inside rush defence by playing from deep, adding some decoy runners in the first line and then acceleration fast, sucking in those rush defenders and then play long kicks/passes to the outside backs, or playing your attack of good lineout/scrums where the defence is way back and attacking the line quickly. Mounga’s speed and passing game was good enough to do that. I think you guys need to bring him back or start Beauden at 10.
Some NZ supporters ( thankfully not the vast majority) are blaming the score at ABs lack of international preparation for the 1st test. Can we just enjoy the games without the excuses pls, it's the same for NH teams when when the SH tourists come north. Not many squad get togethers before a test match. Don't hear touring sides saying we were tired after a long season that's why we lost 😂😂
Yer, but we have all been listening to the international and national commentators saying this is englands best chance to win in NZ because its their first game together under a new coach, and most of us thought yer true. So now you just cant say the all blacks having no prep game had no effect on the outcome of the game that seems more suspect to me.
@@savagesaint4317 think it's more of a case of wild predictions backfiring spectacularly and finding a excuse for the performance. You only have to look at AB ENG matches results to show it was always going to be a close run thing.
@@Canvashed Im sorry mate but if you think a week together with a new coach & no games in 8 months is optimum preparation for test match rugby then I dont know what to tell you. And absolutely NH sides touring NZ have used the "we are tired" excuse, both have valid points.
England are coming off a big season and should be bang on form, abs are a new team and need to find combinations. Englands defensive line was exhausting and hard to break.
Logic works both ways, English players have all come off a massive run of club games (domestic and European competitions) and Test matches in the six nations, so by all rights can argue that they'd be less physically prepared. Add to that playing away from home and massive travel times and they've got every reason to not be up to pace.
No Retallic, no Whitelock, no Aaron Smith, no Ritchie Mounga, no Leister Faingaanuku, no Cam Roigard, no Will Jordan, no Dane Coles, no Samisoni Taukeiaho, no Shannon Frizell..any other questions?
@@BertFlashman Didnt say it wasnt mate, just informing this guy that the NZ team is not the same as the RWC team, Im not claiming NZ are disadvantaged by the fact.
Hopefully now that Razor has not lost his first test and can't lose the series he'll play some brave selections. Hopefully they actually do some up front work and don't keep doing a deep pass out the back consistantly vs rush defence. Scott barret was a snail walking before halftime, completely undercooked not his usual high workrate. How can say Perofeta was good when Beaudan Barret(I'm not even a fan) came on with a massive impact and made him look completely ordinary. McKenzie had to overcome massively terrible tactics vs rush defence, completely hung out to dry by his coaches and forward pack. His kick not taken was unacceptable however when the ref tells him 20 seconds, tells him 10 seconds and has warned him the kick before that.
I would put Steve P at no.10 and Dmac at 15.... Also I would bring in Clarke to punch holes in the English back line....we need a straight hard aggressive runner....
Or just be the blues and take them up front, they would eat that rush for breakfast. Why passing deep out the back from 2nd pass(not even fast from 9) vs rush defence is baffling.
@axxey that could work too. A planned move with a chip into the gap and a couple of strong chasers, one to collect the ball, the other as support runner to beat the fullback, would work a treat imo
@@dion6635 "into the gap" being the key thing, any form of chip is kicking possession away for no reason if it doesn't come off, as well as a charge down risk. It has a place to keep people honest but it's not a first go to. When using an organised rush defence it's a very obvious option and you'll find a short sweeper there often making a chip just possession lost.
@axxey kick the ball where they aren't... these are professional athletes who should have that ball on a string. Put it in the gap, not in their hands, and have a strong chase and account for cover defense. This is how we use to defeat rush defense when I played league. Its a set move so everyone is on the same page with the chase. Back your skills and make them think twice...
This was a woeful ABs performance with a few standouts. All over the park we have issues. Hope Razor picked this bunch for continuity and stability only. He needs to get rid of some guys who have passed their shelf life. Not sure how he is going to do that by having picked Barretts as captains, they are both liabilities. As for the wings who plays like centers (maybe they have to because the centers aren't worth shit) and a hooker who still cannot consistently throw in a line out ball and a captain lock who get cleaned out onto his scrum half's knee. Let me stop there. Razor, you have lots to do.
When Will Jordan is fit, he's the best winger in the world, some will argue 15 as well. But Talea and Sevu have to be the incumbents atm. Perofeta 15. Clarke should move into 12 at clubland learn his craft for a few seasons, hes big, fast and can bend the line, still young as well he'll be a weapon for the Abs in a couple years. Almost Nonu like.
The advantage of rush defense is to put pressure on opposition force them to make errors n prevent scoring tries,Disadvantage don't play it against springboks!! Phil Jones n Rassie designed it, Rassie is a doctor now Coach Doctor Rassie he is the only one with the antidote😊
Swing low, sweet chariot Coming for to carry me home Swing low, sweet chariot Coming for to carry me home Next weekend England will beat the ABs - the English learn *VERY* quickly from their mistakes - they figured out evolution long before any others!
Thank bloody Southern hemisphere rules 😂 we won't hear that racket beating off at Eden unless there's more than 10 English supporters 😂 were can England improve other than accuracy you haven't seen the All blacks get their shit together yet but they will which is a shame cause I'm a huge fan of Jamie George
34 kicks! That's very boring and predictable rugby. My opinion is that England actually won this game - if they had a better kicker, they would've won. If the All Blacks didn't hold up the game with their penalties (game flow), England would've won. Also bear in mind that this is a game away for England and in front of a Kiwi home stadium - the Kiwi fans were not very friendly - if this was at Twickenham, England would've won!
You muppets. One of those “boring” kicks was a superb cross field kick for a try. If my aunty had balls, she’d be my uncle. I think it’s past your bedtimes
Eng fan here. Mckenzie is terrific and people need to give him a chance to grow and focus on what he can do, exactly the same with Marcus Smith. Both young and exciting but with flaws currently. Expect NZ to win by a 10 pt margin on sat but not before they have a few problems. Eng wont rollover. Some fabulous talent in the NZ team but ENG have some pretty hood performers too. Cunningham-south is only 21 but puts himself about and so does Martin. Look out for slieghtholme on the wing if selected, he's tough and can really move much like manny. NZ are the better side but you never know.
As an AB fan, I’m loving the look of this England set up. If the momentum and incremental growth can be maintained until the next World Cup, I reckon England can be a top contender for it.
@@ShaadHamid looked a lot like a springbok lookalike team in strategy and performance
@@markhankin467 only problem is that McKenzie isn't young, he's 29. Maybe Razor can bring the best out of him, but for me he is better when there is less structure in the game and not against tight well organised defence.
mckenzie is 30 mate -
Whatever you say about D.Mac he is a star to those overseas.
He has flair and a good head on him when he is under pressure.
Good to see he’s respected even if it’s not here.
Go check out the Eggchaser channel for good unbiased coverage.
I don’t abide by NZ coverage any more. Too harsh criticism and no positive feedback.
I would like to see Proctor and Clarke get a run this week. I’m a fan of Reiko but thought he was a little loose on the weekend. Start ALB with Proctor on the bench, the in form Clarke has to be given his chance he’s a bigger body and has vastly improved his work rate.
You're on drugs mate Sevu Reece is the best winger in the world right now. I like the combination of a big winger in Talea and a smaller more skillful guy in Reece. He scored a try, a 50/20 and got some of the games most crucial turnovers and made the biggest plays. He's leagues ahead of Clarke at international level and I genuinely think Sevu is the best winger in the world right at this moment. I reckon Razor and co have missed the boat with Clarke he should of moved to the chiefs this year and played centre. Rieko and ALB are not performing to the level expected I agree on that.
@@austingtir what level do you want ALB to play to when he easily won every single measurable stat for a midfielder this year despite being behind a losing pack? Every single stat.
Reiko had a terrible year and shouldn't be there at all. Proctor combo with Jordie is good, ALB is better individual at either position.
@@axxey I agree to a point on ALB he's the best out of those two but imo neither of them are good enough at international level for NZ. We should be able to find someone better. Proctor looks ok. Id prefer someone like the highlanders 13 who steals the ball on D like Sevu or Aumua but Aumua is extremely one dimensional.
Sevu is our best winger so he definitely needs to stay on the right wing. Clarke does deserve a chance on the left though. He's had a better season than Telea this year especially compared to last year@@austingtir
ALB is both weak & slow.
At least Rieko is fast.
Get Proctor to start & Rieko at 23 cover winger & centre.
Patty Tuips was a machine
he's really playing up a storm this yr.Cotter should take a lot of the kudos for that.
Roigard is a huge loss at the moment for the ABs, he looked really good last year. Good to see Hotham called in as injury cover. Long term I think Reihana and Burke are the way to go at 10, I will be surprised if BB or DMac are anything more that bench warmers at the next RWC.
Beauden wont be there
@@kelbatt7729 hope not(despite him playing well this week off the bench), he's blocking the selection of both a proper 15 and backup 10. I wish Savea wasn't there for the same reason. I'm not that interested in immediate returns 3 years from a world cup, Razor is just covering himself, super conservative.
Fergus Burke? He’s off to Saracens and is eligible for England.
@@LegendaryWizball damn! He played really well for the BaaBaas the other week, he will be missed.
@@iallso1 Yep. He was injured and missed most of Super Rugby. When he came back the Saders beat the Chiefs and the Blues. He was our Richie replacement. Big, big loss.
Nice Kirstie. Put those guys in their place at the end!
I don’t think JK’s seen the kicking stats. Australia and NZ kicked almost twice as much as South Africa, Wales and Ireland did in their games. Ireland and the previous AB side had some success against the inside rush defence by playing from deep, adding some decoy runners in the first line and then acceleration fast, sucking in those rush defenders and then play long kicks/passes to the outside backs, or playing your attack of good lineout/scrums where the defence is way back and attacking the line quickly. Mounga’s speed and passing game was good enough to do that. I think you guys need to bring him back or start Beauden at 10.
Some NZ supporters ( thankfully not the vast majority) are blaming the score at ABs lack of international preparation for the 1st test.
Can we just enjoy the games without the excuses pls, it's the same for NH teams when when the SH tourists come north. Not many squad get togethers before a test match.
Don't hear touring sides saying we were tired after a long season that's why we lost 😂😂
Yer, but we have all been listening to the international and national commentators saying this is englands best chance to win in NZ because its their first game together under a new coach, and most of us thought yer true. So now you just cant say the all blacks having no prep game had no effect on the outcome of the game that seems more suspect to me.
@@savagesaint4317 think it's more of a case of wild predictions backfiring spectacularly and finding a excuse for the performance.
You only have to look at AB ENG matches results to show it was always going to be a close run thing.
@@Canvashed Im sorry mate but if you think a week together with a new coach & no games in 8 months is optimum preparation for test match rugby then I dont know what to tell you. And absolutely NH sides touring NZ have used the "we are tired" excuse, both have valid points.
how about plummer he played well all season needs to be give a chance. had it all over Mckenzie in both games
England are coming off a big season and should be bang on form, abs are a new team and need to find combinations. Englands defensive line was exhausting and hard to break.
Or England are at the end of a long season......
Logic works both ways, English players have all come off a massive run of club games (domestic and European competitions) and Test matches in the six nations, so by all rights can argue that they'd be less physically prepared. Add to that playing away from home and massive travel times and they've got every reason to not be up to pace.
JK NZ 34 kicks. We never at WCup against France, Ireland, SA and Saturday v Eng. saw expansive rugby from NZ.
Another great breakdown from 3 of my all time favourite ALLBLACKS ever
I thought perenara was awesome in the first half, passing fast and accurate
Still too slow
NZ had moments of brilliance, but Eng looked more composed....Smith with weapons is dangerous for any back line. Absolute rascal he is!
with Finley + Damien as halfbacks - that looks a real weak link there...average at best
Can we stay rev up against all the muscle mass other teams have, big units and fit, know ones talking about it.
I don't get it they say new crew with new players every player in this team played in the world cup last year it's the same team
No Retallic, no Whitelock, no Aaron Smith, no Ritchie Mounga, no Leister Faingaanuku, no Cam Roigard, no Will Jordan, no Dane Coles, no Samisoni Taukeiaho, no Shannon Frizell..any other questions?
@@user-eq9jv5uf7dTo be fair. It’s a new team for a lot of countries like England for example. It’s just the nature of a new World Cup cycle.
@@BertFlashman Didnt say it wasnt mate, just informing this guy that the NZ team is not the same as the RWC team, Im not claiming NZ are disadvantaged by the fact.
Hopefully now that Razor has not lost his first test and can't lose the series he'll play some brave selections. Hopefully they actually do some up front work and don't keep doing a deep pass out the back consistantly vs rush defence.
Scott barret was a snail walking before halftime, completely undercooked not his usual high workrate.
How can say Perofeta was good when Beaudan Barret(I'm not even a fan) came on with a massive impact and made him look completely ordinary.
McKenzie had to overcome massively terrible tactics vs rush defence, completely hung out to dry by his coaches and forward pack. His kick not taken was unacceptable however when the ref tells him 20 seconds, tells him 10 seconds and has warned him the kick before that.
if England nailed their kicks they would of won. Be another tight game
Why not show man of the match Itojes try?
Because it makes Dalton look bad.
Wow, just Wow!
How much longer we going to hear JK long foreolay
Idk why kirwan is still here
I would put Steve P at no.10 and Dmac at 15....
Also I would bring in Clarke to punch holes in the English back line....we need a straight hard aggressive runner....
Probably not unless they adjust. They were lucky to escape with a win in Dunners.
Put the ball in the air with short kicks and quality chase, and that line will think twice before rushing up in defense
Or just be the blues and take them up front, they would eat that rush for breakfast. Why passing deep out the back from 2nd pass(not even fast from 9) vs rush defence is baffling.
@axxey that could work too. A planned move with a chip into the gap and a couple of strong chasers, one to collect the ball, the other as support runner to beat the fullback, would work a treat imo
@@dion6635 "into the gap" being the key thing, any form of chip is kicking possession away for no reason if it doesn't come off, as well as a charge down risk. It has a place to keep people honest but it's not a first go to. When using an organised rush defence it's a very obvious option and you'll find a short sweeper there often making a chip just possession lost.
@axxey kick the ball where they aren't... these are professional athletes who should have that ball on a string. Put it in the gap, not in their hands, and have a strong chase and account for cover defense. This is how we use to defeat rush defense when I played league. Its a set move so everyone is on the same page with the chase. Back your skills and make them think twice...
@axxey I don't want to say I told you so, but those short kicks worked a treat;)
This was a woeful ABs performance with a few standouts.
All over the park we have issues.
Hope Razor picked this bunch for continuity and stability only.
He needs to get rid of some guys who have passed their shelf life.
Not sure how he is going to do that by having picked Barretts as captains, they are both liabilities.
As for the wings who plays like centers (maybe they have to because the centers aren't worth shit) and a hooker who still cannot consistently throw in a line out ball and a captain lock who get cleaned out onto his scrum half's knee.
Let me stop there.
Razor, you have lots to do.
tell us what you really think!
Jk why say learnings when you mean lessons
When Will Jordan is fit, he's the best winger in the world, some will argue 15 as well. But Talea and Sevu have to be the incumbents atm. Perofeta 15.
Clarke should move into 12 at clubland learn his craft for a few seasons, hes big, fast and can bend the line, still young as well he'll be a weapon for the Abs in a couple years. Almost Nonu like.
Clarke is a defensive liability on the wing. There is no way he could play in the centres, his defensive reads aren't good.
Only wish Codie Taylor could throw a ball in properly. Lost 2 vital throw ins. Should be replaced.
NZ'ers are writing off England this weekend
@keithcrane469 great that's the best situation
Razor isn't
@kelbatt7729 smart lad I like him but he needs a haircut
NZ’er here, unlike others I’m not writing the English off.
No we're not.
Boring kicking spectacle from both sides. Hopefully more rugby gets played in the next test!
England will win - watch!
no they didnt - did you watch
First game so they’ll get better
This English side may be very good, but with their really poor front row they will never be great. AB's can make more of that advantage next game.
It sounds like Kirwin did a shit
Perofeta should play first five. Mckenzie to the bench as Impact and Beauden's time is done.
Sir John Kirwin running around people who didn't even know how to play touch
The advantage of rush defense is to put pressure on opposition force them to make errors n prevent scoring tries,Disadvantage don't play it against springboks!! Phil Jones n Rassie designed it, Rassie is a doctor now Coach Doctor Rassie he is the only one with the antidote😊
Nugget show l😊
Smiths defense was questionable so six of one.
BS, Smith was the best player AB’s had during their WC wins along with Carter, McCaw & Reid.
Geeez JK is hard to listen to…..
Offside defense
NZ props consistently going around the outside
Swing low, sweet chariot
Coming for to carry me home
Swing low, sweet chariot
Coming for to carry me home
Next weekend England will beat the ABs - the English learn *VERY* quickly from their mistakes - they figured out evolution long before any others!
Thank bloody Southern hemisphere rules 😂 we won't hear that racket beating off at Eden unless there's more than 10 English supporters 😂 were can England improve other than accuracy you haven't seen the All blacks get their shit together yet but they will which is a shame cause I'm a huge fan of Jamie George
😅😅😅
For a Saffa you are quite the England glazer..get up off your knees boy.
singing a slave song is so oxymoron for elite english rugby
@@bodybalanceU2 Old mate JOATMA is a Saffa still licking the hand of his colonial masters.
no whitelock ,get used to it😅
😅all I hear is nugget
Highlanced story tellers. This is my spot, it nevwas yours
England wont kmprove as much as the ABs
ABs gad 34 kicks.. boring as hell..
34 kicks! That's very boring and predictable rugby. My opinion is that England actually won this game - if they had a better kicker, they would've won. If the All Blacks didn't hold up the game with their penalties (game flow), England would've won. Also bear in mind that this is a game away for England and in front of a Kiwi home stadium - the Kiwi fans were not very friendly - if this was at Twickenham, England would've won!
You muppets. One of those “boring” kicks was a superb cross field kick for a try. If my aunty had balls, she’d be my uncle. I think it’s past your bedtimes
@@IverKnackerov Is your uncle your aunty? I don't understand about your aunty's balls?
@@JOATMOFA but they didn't.
@@IverKnackerov I'm confused, is your aunty your uncle?
This panel is actually very average... slow drink at a good bar later
This will be worse Llblacm season
Every 1 like on this comment = Sir John Kirwan increases his spectacles thickness by 1 inch.
Don’t see any difference from foster same team same plan tj is miles to slow looking for your mates in the stand before he passes