Don't get Swiss citizenship before 37 - as a guy!
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- Опубліковано 23 вер 2024
- Have you ever heard that it can cost men living in Switzerland thousands of Swiss francs if they become Swiss nationals before the age of 37? No?
Well it's very true! Learn why in this video and let me know what your thoughts about it are.
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nah! Tell them you have a bad back like Roger Federer and you get out of it. Corruption is world wide.
Top athletetes actually have the option to spend the 3 weeks in the Military operated "Sports Academy in Magglingen" as "training camps".
Federer doesn't live and pay taxes in Switzerland.
@@BernhardSchwarz-xs8kpWhat about basic military training?
It's more complex than that because if you are also a citizen of a country where you have already fulfilled the military obligation, like all countries with voluntary armies (Britain, USA, Germany and France), you are free from serving in the Swiss army.
if you are from a third country (developing country citizen) then it's an advantage if you get swiss citizenship as early as possible. if you take too much social financial help, you lose very fast your right to live in switzerland, and there are statistics which show, that for getting a job in switzerland, it's an advantage to have swiss citizenship
If you see film of the WWII defenses you get a better handle on the military mindset. They invented a particular foot soldier pike-square army formation and held off their European neighbors for centuries. I'm surprised they haven't started a similar requirement for women, like Israel, but then the women would have been able to vote before 1971. They are looking at compulsory service for women since 2021 due to the drop in army population.
What are you babbling about?
@@BernhardSchwarz-xs8kp History of the military in Switzerland and Swiss military service requirements. It probably related to something in the lower comments. I think we were messaging about how they compared to their neighbors. What didn't you understand?
The country's history, especially the defenses they built for WWII, makes their current approach to the military more clear. A lot of countries do a one to two year compulsory service before age 25. The Swiss method probably keeps a larger number of people up to date with their training.
if you're not ready to serve your country why would you get the nationality?
You see many males complaining about this tax but not a great deal campaigning to repeal this tax. Probably because it is social suicide to be against militaty service in Switzerland, and if you are bothered by that, you are bothered by the patriarchy.
Men have to worry about conscription in many other countries too, in this one case women are lucky (except Israeli women).
You got that one right. Not ready to protect us - you are not part of us.
So, what I learned in the first 2 minutes is this: If I move to Switzerland to experience the life and landscape of some of my family heritage, I should do so right at the age of 35 or 36, bring a lot of savings, do a years worth of community service, and pay an extra 12% on taxes for 2-3 years of income despite the age cutoff. Why?
Because doing anything otherwise is just a thumbing of the nose followed with a middle finger to all those who paid into all of that protection against neighbors who are only friendly cause they don't wanna find out. If I am moving to a country where certain expenses are expected to be paid somehow by the regular citizens, I'm gonna pay them as well, as a new one.
And sure, I might not be legally obligated if I move there after 37, and that may be by design by the lawmakers, politicians, etc. But there are multiple courts to please, public opinion being one of these. Usually helps to not be a jerk about things right from day one.
Well, no. If you are a US, or British citizen, or any country with a volunteer army, you have already fulfilled your army duty from the Swiss point of view. Which is totally unfair to _us_ non-binational Swiss.
@@marcmonnerat4850 Interesting. But, wouldn't that only apply to those who actually took part in that volunteer army? I mean, doesn't the rule kind of defeat itself then in that sense if they weren't actually part of any armed forces?
@@ManuFortis No, simply being a citizen of these countries is enough. French are required to attempt the information days. I knew two guys who joined the US Army after boot camp in Switzerland. Never heard of the opposite (except for the French Legion). These days, 20% of Swiss are binationals and are _de facto_ exempt from army duty, which is unfair, and is a much larger population than the very few people having to pay the military tax despite being too old.
@@marcmonnerat4850 Understood. Well, I don't really care for loopholes like that, so I would probably just do the proper thing instead. And then shame the rest for not.
I was wondering what the rule is in this instance but your explanation helped a lot!
That's very good to hear - thank you!!
South Korean do a one off 18 month service... i think that's probably better vs needing to do it every year.... Anyways so glad i live in Australia. Not seen any other country come close to what we have here apart from maybe New Zealand
Very interesting, thanks for sharing! You can do a 'one and done' military service in Switzland too, but it's at least 300 days, so most men prefer the other options.
@@AAA_AskAnAttorney i would rather do 300.. but thats just me..being forced to do anything is bad.
The idea of short-term services spread over many years is to make sure that every soldier is ready to serve instantly. Active soldiers are keeping their personal uniforms and weapons including ammunition at their homes.
Ganz tolles Video: Leuten erklären, wie sie ihre Bürgerpflicht umgehen können und das ganze auch noch ganz komfortabel auf englisch, für den Fall, dass sie kein deutsch (oder eine andere Amtssprache) können. Eine Schande, dass das Bürgerrecht nur noch ein Rosinenpicken von Privilegien ist, statt ein Zusammengehörigkeitsgefühl inkl. sich aktiv in die Gesellschaft einzubringen.
Als erstes sollte mindestens die doppelte Staatsbürgerschaft abgeschafft werden.
It's only duty of citizen ('Bürgerpflicht') if it concerns all citizen. That's not the case here since only men are concerned.
Getting the Swiss citizenship has a lot of advatages - but also disadvantages. So it's only fair to know all consequences before you make your choice.
And yes the video is in English because it's an English channel 😉.
Welche Buergerpflicht wird hier umgangen? Denken bevor urteilen scheint nicht die Staerke von TheRealSpicke zu sein. Und warum ist Engish "komfortabel"? Fuer when? UA-cam wird nicht nur von English sprechended benutzt.
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1 Jeder Schweizer ist verpflichtet, Militärdienst zu leisten. Das Gesetz sieht einen zivilen Ersatzdienst vor.
Hi, I just had a question: you say in the video that it’s from 30 years old on that you are not allowed to do the military service/community service anymore. But is it also true that you cannot be forcibly called to the military recruitment once you’re passed 25? And great video btw!
Thank you!
Yes, the recruitement has to be done before 25 unless you become a Swiss citizen afterwards and would like to do so (up to the age of 30).
Okay, thank you for the answer😊
Can my husband (who is 37 and a US national) become a Swiss citizen through his sanguinus if his great grandmother was with us? We have the documents for it.
Usually, family ties that go further back than the grandparent generation cannot be considered anymore.
In any case you'd have to prove that your husband has close ties to Switzerland (previous visits, language skills, friends/relatives here, knowledge about the country etc.).
He must have had a "Citizenship" before immigrating into the US.
Great video and very timely for me! Should I be 37 by the time I receive the passport or by the time I start the naturalization process (which takes 1-2 years)?
Great! Usually the naturalization process takes at least one year, but it depends on the canton. If you start it shortly before turning 37 or later, it's unlikely that it will be finished before your 38th birthday. But you would still have to pay in the year that you turn 37 - so I'd recommend
you to wait until you turn 37, to be safe regarding the tax.
You cannot serve in the Swiss Military if you are not a Swiss. Which is the moment you become legally a Swiss? When you apply or when you are accepted?
The moment in which you are accepted is relevant for the military duty/service.
Would community service include language teaching?
Most likely. There's a list of options to chose from and some include working at schools and/or with children, so there's a strong chance that language teaching would be 'in demand' as well.
You have to join either the _Civilian Service_ or the _Civilian Protection_
Sexism
Of course - it is all about racism, sexism, and chauvinistic arrogance for not allowing anybody to serve in the Swiss Army. The doors must be open for anybody to pick up their weapons. Wishful thinking dude.
@@BernhardSchwarz-xs8kp i meant that only the guys have to pay that tax or serve in the military. What about "equality"?
@@Phe9611 Dude - woke logic. Equality?? About what? Women do not have an obligation to do military service. But they have different duties. And no - not because of gender - ha ha ha - there are very practical and financial interests involved - I am not interested in wasting time with useful helpers. Have a good time - and if the sun should not shine today - call it racism or any other ...isms -
@@Phe9611 The Swiss are considering something for women. Women my enlist but are not obligated. Women did not get full fights to vote until about 1990.
@@kitefan1 yeah that's embarrassing honestly. That's 40 years after countries like Syria and Iraq.