HALL OF FAMER OR NOT: PART II
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- Опубліковано 2 чер 2024
- Remember, this video is about whether I, Barry, think these 50 players SHOULD make the Hall of Fame. Not IF they will make it.
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I think the "every down" standard for Kickers and Punters is unlike other special Team guys. Kickers and Punters aren't competing for every down positions, their role is there and you can't just sub in any other player for an elite kicker or punter. Seems silly to hold them to a standard like that.
And didn’t he literally say in the first episode that he doesn’t like how the NFL HOF is biased towards certain positions? Lol
Yeah I had this same thought. Are we gonna deny Justin Tucker HoF simply because he didn't play every down, even though his skillset is absolutely vital to winning games?
I do think this is Barry's biggest L take, football is a team sport regardless of if one position is harder than another. With the amount Barry complains about bad kickers missing in the NFL you'd think he'd value the good ones
ikr, L take by Barry
Literally has the longest fg ever made, tons of game winners and is highly accurate. Can't believe anyone would think he ISNT a HOFER.
Very brave of you Barry to let that fart slip out 7:22 . Most people don’t let those moments see the light of day, but you are different, my wife’s boyfriend was laughing hysterically and showed me this because he thought I would laugh and I did. You’re saving lives and marriages Barry
Let freedom ring again at 22:13 🤣
Good that he's encouraging you to laugh
Heard it and went looking for this comment
I swear I thought I heard something in my air pods lol
The "no special teams player deserves to be in the hall of fame" take is wild, imagine working your entire career to become the best player ever at your position and scoring more points than basically any other position, but being denied because you "weren't good enough" rare Barry L
Yeah, it’s pretty silly but hilarious
yeah but their impact is also so much less than everyone else on the team. I think 1 punter and kicker is like the max there should be in the hall imo
@@joelvanbennekom3048How many games come down to a kicker making a kick?
@@joelvanbennekom3048Fat L for the dumbest take I've ever heard in a UA-cam comments section, as if kickers don't regularly decide games
This is one of the very few barry Ls
damn that 7:22 fart might put you in the hall of fame barry
That was hall-worthy for sure
I think the one at 22:14 was even better
I'm not convinced he's that guy. I need a real SHART from him first
Yeah im suprised theres no more comments about that fart lmaoo
Hines Ward is the all time catches, receiving yards, and receiving touchdowns leader for a franchise that has had a TON of really good wide receivers. That should be enough of a case for him to be in, and the fact that people think Edelman should be in the HOF while a guy like Ward isn’t in is insanity
anybody who's ever seen Ward knock a mf tf out on a block knows what's up. the man was a beast, and dependable.
If Hines is a HOFer is Anquan a HOFer? I think WR is just stacked same as RB, MLB and edge rush in the NFL HOF. Andre Johnson isn't in yet and he was easily one of the best receivers in the league for almost a decade.
@@OpaqueNihilist I can't argue with either of these. Beasts at the wide reciever position, all of them.
I don't think that's the winning argument for the same reason Steven Jackson is the Rams all-time leading rusher over Bettis, Faulk, Dickerson, etc. Ward will get in based on stats, post-season success, and as undeniably the best blocking WR ever. P.S. Jackson is one of my favorite RB's ever. Hate the lack of respect on his name.
We are not weighing him against those who played for the Steelers. We are weighing him against the every WR ever, so Ward is borderline. Edelman is an easy no though
This series really makes me question Barry's thought process.
The bias is so wild. He even thinks he's fair and objective. Crazy
Scooby won puppy of the week 4 weeks in a row. He’s for sure gonna be MVP (Most Valuable Puppy) this season, and he’s still pretty young. If he keeps this up, he’s a sure fire Hall of Fame dog
He is just a system puppy. Put him on a bad team and you will see he is nothing special. He couldn’t hang with the Bad Boy Puppy’s of the late 1980’s
@@Tylericous You clearly havent watched much tape on todays pitbulls. Scooby is eating those bad boy puppies alive
I think a video or video series breaking down which members of the NBA Hall of Fame actually deserve to be there by the standards of other Hall of Fames would be very interesting
Barry, I was about to eat lunch with nothing to watch, until you uploaded this video. You literally saved my life. You are a true hero
if you eat without yt u die
@@legeaux1happened to my parents:(
@@garyrobinson5655 damn, were they hall of famers?
@@legeaux1 lmao 1/2 was
@@garyrobinson5655 they sound like American hero’s
I feel like kickers and punters should be in the hall of fame jus tbecause their jobs significantly impact games and require a special skillset that they have to master and could not adequately be replicated by another random practice squad guy in today's game. I agree with you on other special teamers, though. Like any great receiver or runningback could be a great punt returner if they wanted to be.
How are you gonna penalize specal teams for not being every down players? They play every special teams down. Why not also penalize QBs since they only play offense and not "every down"?
Yeah it's a huge L take. Especially when players like Brees relied so much on YAC of his receivers I think you could say no QB deserves the HoF because they weren't out there getting any of those yards. I guess HoF is only for WR and RBs
@@tgs5725nah cause rbs and receivers only get those yards cause of their offensive lines and Quarterbacks respectively. This is the problem with the whole take to begin with you can limit a guy just because his designed position is limited in a certain way. I agree super dumb take
The NFL points scoring leader is a kicker… I think they should be based more on performance than raw accolades (especially in the clutch with the opportunities given, which they don’t control) like rings although clutchness in regards to postseason performance should be heavily weighted, with that understanding that again they don’t control any of the situations they are put into. They are absolutely worthy to be considered in the HOF - just ask Vikings or Patriots fans for how awful/great their kicking games have been in the past decade…
The take on closers is insane, so you expect Chapman to go out there and throw 103+ for 7 innings?
Yeah worst baseball take I've heard in a minute lmao closers are there for a reason
Smh right for the wrong reason
Chapman's a jagoff, but come on. I feel like Barry could have thought this through more.
I think relievers should be in Cooperstown, but I don’t know if Aroldis Chapman would make the cut for me.
Chapman is terrible though.
Barry, my Dad's new husband and my wife's boyfriend allowed me to watch this video and I got to say this is probably the best 28 minutes and 16 seconds of my life. Barry truly is a real American hero with his unquestionable knowledge of sports and a champion in the fight against Marijuana overdoses.
Don't forget he's a Warrior against Premarital Sex
Same comment under every video
To me, you get in the Hall for being great at whatever your role is and having the stats and resume to support it, especially if you’re considered the best or amongst the best at what you do.
As a Panthers fan I really wish Steve Smith got a ring when we played SB38. All time favorite player for sure. Also, I'll never forget that fuking kickoff out of bounds by John Kasay...
You'll find surprising allies among Saints fans for Steve Smith, Sr. and Luke Kuechly making the Hall of Fame.
this picture of Omar Epps you put up for Mike Tomlin is KILLING me lmao
I remember when I went to a patriots game when I was 12. It was my first NFL game and this drunk dude in front of me asked me who my favorite player was. I said it was Adam Vinatieri. He laughed and said "Kickers aren't players," and it seems like you have the same thought. Even making an exception tells about your rule a lot, bad take lol
Ben Wallace is absolutely hall of fame caliber
Fully agree
Only player in NBA history to record 1,000 rebounds, 100 blocks, and 100 steals in 4 consecutive seasons
One of three players in NBA history to record 150 blocks and 100 steals in 7 consecutive seasons (Hakeem and David Robinson are the others, both hall of famers)
One of five players in NBA history to lead the NBA in rebounding and blocking averages in the same season (Kareem, Walton, Hakeem, Dwight, 3 hall of famers and a future hall of famer)
One of two players in NBA history to receive NBA Defensive Player of the Year Award four times (other was Mutombo, a hall of famer)
Wallace is deserves the hall for sure
That Bart (Barry fart) saved my ears from an infection thank you Barold
I didnt know Cameron Wake joined the NFL at 27 but i remember wondering why this man was 34 when he should have been like 27 😂
Barry really farted at 7:22 and thought we wouldn’t notice
I scrolled too far to find this
The one he let out at 22:13 was even better
I’d love if Barry did more baseball coverage on the channel. That’d be awesome, love the knowledge and takes.
Love hearing your take on Tomlin. He has never been one of the elite coaches all time for me because I’ve never seen a coach get so much credit while simultaneously wasting a ton of talent
If you ask me, he’s on the same tier as the other coach in here that he evaluated and also said doesn’t belong (Siefert).
Both won Super Bowls with a lot of talent from the coach before them.
Coincidentally enough, both were also defensive coordinators beforehand (Siefert on the Niners of 1983-1988, and Tomlin on the 2006 Vikings and was a defensive back coach for the Bucs in the early 2000’s).
And if you ask me, both coaches should be considered “Hall of Very Good” along with the other borderline coaches who are debated at times but not ultimately in.
They had successful careers as coaches in the league (both guys have multiple deeper playoff runs and a win percentage of well over .600 for over 150 games coached each in addition to their time as lower coaches on championship teams before), but were handed a lot of talent from the previous coach for their only championships as a head coach, and have resumes that some would call more impressive or even would argue they belong in with, if they didn’t have as much talent handed to them.
I would personally put him in even after one SB because Cowher basically did the same thing and he's in
If we do a deep dive on Scooby, it’s undeniable he’s a hall of famer. On pace for over 10k good boys, over 50k hours of Barry support, 100 birds KIA,7 time puppy of the week winner having a truly dominant season so far. You can’t deny we will see him in the hall of fame one day. Special talent, and an especially good boy 🫡.
Every single video this guy makes is immensely watchable and entertaining.
Not even trying to be that guy but Kam Chancellor was one of the most feared players in the league for years. Great leader, role model and fantastic overall player,( he had solid pass defense stats but everyone only remembers him for his hitting). He is absolutely a HOFer
Yo Barry huge fan of these kind of videos where ur breaking down stats n giving takes on them, Lowkey woulda watched an hour of this
Perfect description of mike tomlin as a Steelers fan and a fan of tomlin when you watch him he feels like a coach that’s good but just short of the hall of fame but you look at his stats then you say oh yeah he’s definitely getting in
I feel like even if you dont play every down in football or every inning in baseball, if you do something that others cant do, i think you should be in the respective hall of fame. With special teams players like Devin Hester or Steve Tasker, opposing coaches had to game plan around specifically them, on special teams. Especially for tasker, he should have definitely played on offense more, literally jim kelly advocated to move him up to offense, but marv leavy wanted to keep him on sp because he saw the value of it. Tasker played a huge role in the success of those bills teams with their early 90s dynasty over the AFC, there was no way they get all of those quick defensive stops without him.
The take about relievers not being good enough to be starters is pretty outdated. That was true in the '90s, but now teams absolutely draft and develop guys solely to be relievers. They have arsenals that are just better deployed going all out for one inning at a time. Guys like Craig Kimbrel, Kenley Jansen, Emmanuel Clase, and Edwin Diaz were groomed for late inning relief roles from pretty much the time they entered Major League systems.
The PBS logo when Klay came up had me dying😂
Barry, we need a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame version of this.
RnR HOF is dumb. Music isn't a competition.
@@wankertanker1813 It's not. But in terms of popularity and impact on society is what it would focus on.
@@postl3 and some artists (some, perhaps performing artists) in aren't even Rock n Roll.
Popularity and thus impact on society.
So....record sales.
Is the Grateful Dead in there? Not a fan, but their influence is undeniable. Or The Residents? Both have had significant impact on society.
Thank you Barry for posting this on my birthday
As a Steelers fan, your analysis of Tomlin is spot on. When we were very good, every goddamn year we lost a game to a double-digit dog that cost us a spot or two in playoff seedings. That is a major aggravating fact in his HoF argument.
Yeah but here’s the thing, the past 4-5 years he and the defense have hard carried the offense to many wins they shouldn’t have. IMO if Andy Reid (the definition of NFL choker) makes it then Tomlin should.
@@Manticore2026andy reid with the 3rd most wins in nfl history and 2 SBs is a choker? tomlin can’t figure out an offense to save his life
@@drewforbes8980 Reid without Mahomes is a playoff choker. Even with Mahomes he chokes. The SF Super Bowl he was blowing until Mahomes bailed him out. He blew the Tampa SB. His coaching scored 3 pts in the 2nd half vs the Bengals to miss the SB. His first good SB performance was against the Eagles.
Also Tomlin is a defensive Coach, he literally doesn’t call offensive plays ever for the Steelers. There’s a reason the Steeler’s defense is always Elite. There’s a reason he’s never had a losing season.
For your next Hall of Fame or Not video, can you please give your take on Tim Lincecum?
I would say no, but if he played like he did from 2008-2011 for longer, then he could have made an argument for himself.
Awesome video, as per usual. Was it just me or did you rip one around the 7:20ish mark?! That made the video even better for the record
22:13 too 😂
7:18
Mann screw that, John is a legend
when you put up Omar Epps (Dr. Foreman) I died laughing
Freddie Freeman. He was a bit of a compiler, but for the last several years he’s led the league in multiple offensive categories. He has a ring, as well as an MVP (albeit in a shortened season). I think 2 more all-star caliber seasons puts him in.
7:20 Barry what the hell was that noise😂😂😂😂
No kickers can go in the hall of fame? Thats wild to me
Roger Maris. 2 time MVP and broke Ruth's HR Record which stood for 60 years. Outside his MVP seasons he didn't do a whole lot, but even still, him not in HoF is insanity
As a ravens I’m curious on what you think off Terrell Suggs as a HOF, he’s got a DPOY, multiple 10+ sack seasons, all time leader in TFLs, DROY, and a SB champion. I personally think he’s very underrated as far as defensive ends go so I’m curious on your thoughts.
Two time SB champ technically, he is a lock for hof
@@Kevin-lv8wv I forgot about the chiefs one, that was the only reason I wanted KC to win that first one against the 49ers, otherwise I didn’t really care that year.
Nah Barry, To say Vinatieri is a HOF and not tucker is Absurd. Tucker has way better stats and has the most 50+ kicks with a 70% accuracy and im pretty sure his 66 yard kick isn't getting broken any time soon
Barry dodging Dave Stieb every time he does this is fantastic😆😆 he wants to say no but knows what the backlash will be
Dave Steib is not a hall of famer.
@@harper-leightonscott4566he is, though.
@@harper-leightonscott4566In your opinion why?
@@fortynights1513 if Bret saberhagen hasn't made the hall yet with more war 2 cy young awards and ws MVP there's no chance for stieb.
@@MrT571 he's not though if Bret Saberhagen was in the hall then you could make the argument
I love these videos for some reason.
The things Tucker and other kickers have done for the game its crazy not to say they’re hall of famers. Not every kicker deserves that moniker but some most definitely do. Kickers have the game in there hands all the time and most 4th quarter comebacks end in the QB trying to get the KICKER in field goal range. If you take your QB out to give the KICKER a chance to seal the game that’s a pretty solid indication that they’re worth a lot more than he’s implying. Kickers are Hall of Famers, especially Tucker. Period.
10:38 Terrell Davis also won MVP in 1998 with 2K yards rushing on a 14-2 Broncos team
Edit: He's also Super Bowl 32 MVP with 3 Rushing TDs
Pretty sure he also has the highest career postseason avg yards per game
As a cardinals fan I too remember peterson giving big thought downs in critical games
Honestly although in a way I get the special teams players for not making it in, you can’t deny that Justin tucker literally won games for the ravens, so many wins for them
The closer and reliever take is just wrong imo, starters tend to be able to go deeper in games just from a stamina perspective, most closers have the best stuff in the league
Ryan Clady. Boise State Alumni (based). Super Bowl Champ and 2x All-Pro (as well as a 4x Pro Bowler). Didn’t play the longest but was a top three tackle when he did.
as a Rodman stan, if he is in the hall of fame, I don't see why Wallace is even debatable
"none had the stats in offense"- thats kinda Barry's logic. Forgetting the idea that Rodman and Wallace had the ability to be good in offense but were never needeed to. Wallace was well capable of getting a few pick and rolls and dunks. Rodman was very good going forward but he left that to the other players, defense wins Championships.
People forget that Steve Kerr, too, has five rings (I believe) as a player. He is also an all time shooter. He has somewhere between 3rd and fifth most rings between being a coach and player.
Andre Johnson one of the most dominant WRs at the time up there with megatron
That Tucker take is an absolute L. I understand that kickers aren't always playing, all the do is really kick, but you have to think about how many games are decided by a field goal, or the extra points from kicker. PLUS, he also has a NFL record for the longest kick EVER. He is one of the most consistent kickers of all time, and remains as one of the only kickers that you could see line up from 55+ and expect to make it.
In short, Tucker ABSOLUTELY deserves to be in the Hall of Fame.
I am once again asking for you to reupload the NFL coach fight club video. Pretty please
I’m sad Barry didn’t determine whether or not Ray Rice was worthy of the Hall of Fame.
I think that if you are immortalized in a play, that becomes part of footballb history, football's lore, you should be considered for the Hall of Fame. Talking to you, Lonnie Lett
Kevin Kolb's jersey is in the HOF that he wore during that game where he threw 7 TD passes, even though Kolb himself will never make it in. I think stuff like that would be fine for people who made memorable plays.
Barry, Wake had 39 sacks in the CFL in the two seasons he was there so that gives him 140, that's borderline HOF, and he was dominant for a few years too
Thank you for your thoughts on the player I chose Barry!
Finally made it in a video 😩
Tucker not a HOFer is your worst take. He is the GOAT kicker, got the distance record on a game winning field goal, has most points for the Ravens. No matter if the Ravens are good or shit, he's always consistent and clutch.
Big Time Timmy Jim, had an incredibly short Career but was the best pitcher in Baseball for 2 years straight and won 3 rings.
cfb coverage from you will be the best! Please!!!!
Justin Tucker should get in. My thing with kickers is all of the top all-time NFL scorers are kickers so they’re obviously very valuable for their team. If Justin Tucker is the best at a valuable position, and especially if he ends his career as one of the top few all-time scorers, then I think he has to get in
Exactly, the idea that "special team's players shouldn't be in the hall of fame" is just Asinine, Especially if you're as clutch as Tucker
i like the use of players already in the hof. you made an exception for vinatieri, would you make one for mariano rivera?
Comparing fullbacks to kickers is kinda crazy cuz let’s say for example a kicker like vinateri was insanely clutch super longevity rings and is the all time scoring leader in nfl history I don’t think it’s even a debate
Ive got a question about Tyreek Hill. On pace to finish with 10k yards and probably close to 80 TD's in only 8 years. I believe he plans to retire after 2025. Do you think he has it in him to pass someone like Randy Moss in rec yards? Randy sits at about 15k yards over a 14 year career, but has many more TD's than Tyreek (156 to ~80). And with Tyreek still on pace to break a 2k yard season, could an argument be made that Tyreek Hill could be better than Moss (at least over the duration of Tyreeks career)?
Its funny seeing Barry say no to guys like Tucker just because he doesn't like Hester. Imo it's obvious he feels like he needs to avoid being a hypocrite and is forced to use the same argument against Hester as other special teamers. That's why he immediately crumbled and said yes to Vinny only two minutes later
Don’t recall, did he do Charles Woodson & Joey Votto in the first vid?
Stefon Diggs, still got some years left but he was playing the second fiddle to thielen in minnesota just to become dominant on the Bills
Harold Jackson and Billy Howton. One had the most receiving yards of the 70’s and ranked second all time at retirement, the other had the most of the 50’s and ranked first all time at retirement.
I got one for the next video, Myles Garret since he's a top 3 edge in the nfl right now.
Certainly on the trajectory of being one
In the next one you should do Bobby Boucher
Hey Barry
Can you make a best playoff games video?
Do you think Harrison Smith will make the hall of fame? He’s a 6x pro bowler and is honestly Probaly the best safety from 2015-2019.
I say he might get in someday
I don’t think he will, there are very few safeties in the hall of fame and harrison smith doesn’t have enough all-pro selections or playoff success, which count a lot to the HOF
Shouldn’t get in before Darren Woodson but he should be in eventually
I think players in football HOD consideration need to be judged per the position they played. A good kicker can’t be expected to be an every down player yes, but a kicker is still a member of the team, and an extraordinary kicker should be treated as if we see an extraordinary WR or lineman. They are excellent within role and even exceed that expectation. Same with fullbacks or even punters though those guys would have to do a lot to get HOF consideration.
It’s true that Mike Tomlin loses games he should win……but he also wins games the Steelers should lose so it evens out imo
7:22 for barry fart
I still don't know why people never doubt Dan Fouts as a hall of famer when Ken Anderson was a more efficient passer with less talent and worse head coaching.
Do you have any thoughts on tim lincecum? He was dominant for about half a decade but fell off sooner than expected due to injuries.
I'm so happy that Barry and I agree on what the standard should be for the Basketball HOF should be
The every down standard doesn’t make sense for kickers. They aren’t playing for another position.
My take on the "some positions shouldn't be hall of famers" debate is that what matters is whether or not you're really the best at your role. With the exception of Mariano Rivera, who accumulated enough value as a closer to match a HoF starter, the players who are really the best at closing games are just the best starters. It's the same story for punt returners and many other special teamers, but *not* punters and kickers.
(Like with Rivera, a punt returner would still be a valid HoF candidate, but their value would have to be comparable to HoF receivers and no player like that has ever existed)
Wake was pretty much the goat CFL pass rusher despite only playing 2 years in Canada. If you’re gonna put Moon in the HoF thanks to his dominant early years up north, I think Wake also deserves in for his combined professional career
The induction of Terrell Davis into the Pro Football Hall of Fame brought up a lot of issues.
I feel like the PFHOF should be more transparent with what exactly their criteria for induction is. I feel like special teamers, fullbacks, and long snappers should all get way more consideration when it comes to HOF induction.
Barry, please PLEASE never stop making videos I beg you, literally my fav UA-camr and shoutout to Jimmy G aka handsome Kirk cousins also is mark andrews a HOFer in your opinion ?
I LOVE YOU FOR THE BARRY BONDS GRAPHIC
Barry must have went to great lengths to find a picture of Aaron Judge playing a pick up basketball game in an Orlando magic jersey just for this video. Truly heroic dedication to the channel.
It’s weird because the kicker thing is one of your rare bad takes. Many games, even a lot of playoff games have been won by kickers. We can’t sit here and clown them when they miss, but when they put in the practice to be better than the rest of the kickers we aren’t gonna credit them? Punters and special teams I agree with you, but you could literally have a top defense AND offense and still lose because your kicker was bad. If being a great kicker was so easy, every team would have one
Why is it "part two" in the thumbnail but "part II" in the video, what are you hiding from us barry
I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks Patrick Peterson was overrated. He always got a ton of credit for shadowing elite recievers, but he was always getting cooked and near the top of the league in yards allowed
As for the closer being compared to special teams, most closers can be starters, being their main pitches is high heat, they couldn’t throw that heat for long, I’m not saying there’s more than maybe 2 I can say is a lock for HOF
I would love to see your opinion on Paul George. I think that if he stayed the way he was in Indiana he would have been a shoo in but now I don’t really know.
He did in the first part
I mean part 1 that preceded this video
Scooby’s definitely showcasing that “sneaky” athleticism 😂
Keenan Allen. I feel like he’s a guy that is never brought up in Hall of Fame discussions.
Geno atkins one of the best DT while he played, was the best pass rushing DT before donald came into the league.
A closer has to have a career like Kimbrel, Jansen, Rivera. It’s hard for a closer to put up counting stats.
Mike Tomlin is absolutely a hall of famer