I just hate that we never got to see Greg Moore or Alex Zanardi compete in this race. Could you imagine what the races in 96,97 and so on would have been like with those guys in the champ cars. Missed some epic racing due to this split.
@@skyhigh335 don’t forget that Andretti could have had some good chances to break the cruse. When that is mentioned next time the years he missed should been mentioned.
As a 6 year old kid, I remember in 1995 that I always rooted for Paul Tracy to win because red and 3 was my favorite color and number. The next year in 1996 I was so confused to find out why there are so many different drivers and why drivers like Tracy, Andretti, Unser Jr. and several others are not racing in the Indy 500. I did remember watching the U.S. 500 on that same day.
The controversy in 2002 only adds the criticism relating to the split. Even with scoring system and the replays they had, many fans felt that Tracy was robbed because Tony George wanted to maintain IRL’s reputation. Penske was running fully in the IRL.
I have binge-watched every Indy 500 on UA-cam between 1982 and 1996. But I think I'm gonna stop there. It's no fun any more without all the old timers. Foyt, Andretti, Al Sr., etc.
Had a ton of boost added and helped by a new surface in the very first year of the IRL to get it off the ground and then they switched to the slower NA power plants in 1997 that were horrible for Indy looking back at it now.
I was at this race sitting in Stand H between turn 4 and the pit entrance. This crash happened right in front of me and for a while I figured that Zampedri was dead. Thankfully he survived.
Have to say I have never seen this race I was busy watching the CART races and very much took their side of the argument. Going to watch all of this race, but by the 2nd lap you realise what a mess this was and the whole spilt in the open wheel racing was. Will enjoy this race as I love racing, but this is so sad, that the series split. I still feel Tony George was an idiot for doing what he did. There were too many teams and drivers who just were not competent enough to run this race.
the whole concept of the IRL seemed interesting and cool as they advertised it.... there are examples of such in all forms of motorsports on each and every level, even at the karting level. There are plenty of cost-cutting available.... This was obviously not the soul reason though. It was honestly a dick move on Tony George's part. It took a great organization like CART and caused them to resort to drastic measures, just to keep its head above water. The IRL was honestly the demise of CART. When CART went bankrupt in the early 2000s, it was the beginning of the end. The IRL grew tremendously when Ganassi and Penske jumped ship. Newman-Haas and Player's were Champ Car's only hope. I hate to see something that was once so good get abandoned. The CART/Champ Car cars ALWAYS looked amazing, and it's a shame that something so great had to have a hole punched in its sail.
These IRL drivers back than were a bunch of amateurs next to the high talented CART drivers back then. They wouldn't stand a chance if , Zanardi, De Ferran, Fittipaldi, Andreti's, Andre Ribeiro and Villeneuve to just name a few, were competing with them.
I remember going to the 07 Cleveland Grand Prix (maybe 06?) It was the Champ Car series...I remember telling my dad that they were Indycar and my dad told me all about the split...honestly? I can appreciate the IRL...I like open wheels on an oval...but I also like the occasional road course. So it's all a matter of opinion I guess. Racing is racing.
However IMS lost so much money with the IRL. Tony George was trying to act like he was the savior he had the money given to him but blew it all up and never should have let his personal feelings against CART get in the way. IMS didn’t need the IRL IMS needed CART they were so dumb in Indy it should have not been put on him to run the IRL but have a voting board like CART did. If CART didn’t run the US 500 then both sides could have resolved things then the IRL would have been put on hold and Tony George would have let CART run at Indy a few more years. IMS should have just stayed with CART a few more years 1996 wasn’t the time to start it up then.
Tony Geoge aside, this wasn't a bad race... Tony Stewart turning 234 lap. Then he's out. Surproised no mention of Scott Brayton killed in practice run nor any mention of Stan Fox with closed-head injury in first lap of 1995 race... Would have been classy to get an update. Brayton, I believe was pole-sitter in 1995 race or at least on the front row...
Henry Frederick If you watch asopher1's version of this race that he just UL'ed, they pay tribute to Scotty throughout the entire pre-race that was cut out of here for some reason.
+Randy Dubin Other thing that viewers should notice is that in my oppinion is that Davy had the race under his belt if not for that idiot move from Salazar..
Like USAC was so good in their minds but they wanted a Jeff Gordon like guy who was in USAC system but went to nascar and so did Tony Stewart both from Indiana to try to make them like Aj Foyt Indycar superstars to make Indycar like it was back in the 60s and 70s before the first split in 1979 but IMS should not have tried tried to mess with tradition with the 25/8 rule.
He qualified on the second day because his car was underweight on the first day. Because he qualified on the second day he was out of contention for pole and all that so the best he coulda qualified was 21st.
And Harrington's near accident on Lap 2 clearly showed his and over half the field's inexperience.....I totally Agree Anthony ! This race was a joke as Zanardi would have MOPPED the track with Lazier and some of the others....Ganassi won 4 STRAIGHT CHAMPIONSHIPS those years and would have dominated had they not been barred from the 500 with George's ridiculous series and car specs
They were not "barred" from this race. And as for what happened on this day, all I have to point is to the joke that happened in Michigan where all the "experienced" drivers couldn't get to the start-line but then in a move typical of the loopholes CART had in looking out for the interests of Fat Cat elite teams, the guy who crashed was able to put a backup car in his original position and win which is something that can NEVER happen at Indy (see Guerrero, 1992). Jimmy Vasser has the most tainted victory in a 500 mile race of any driver in the history of open wheel car racing and proved exactly why CART was an arrogant, snotty organization that dug its own grave by refusing to recognize that (1) It had allowed costs to skyrocket out of control (2) It gave too much power to elite teams (3) It was abandoning the history and tradition of oval track racing by giving us street parades aimed at appeasing international corporate sponsors and never mind the fact that street racing is the most boring form of racing competition known to man.
Shame on everyone who was in the grandstands that day. This stupid side show shit hold would have folded within 5 years if the fans boycotted this shit, if this happened at long beach nobody would have supported this bullshit because we knew what real racing was.
Michael don’t forget nascar was making a shit ton of money for IMS from 1994-2007 with sellouts during all those year’s and that revenue went into the IRL budget. Also F1 was huge for its first couple of years and made a ton of money as well. Happy Roger Penske bought the track and this Hulman George crippling agenda is gone.
"Real racing" like that farce at Michigan that took place the same day where a guy who crashed his car before the start was somehow able to still win the race? (something you CAN'T do at Indy).
1996. My favourite Indy 500 of all time apart from many others.
Not even close to as good as 1992.
@@afridgetoofar1818 Or 1995.
I remember being at this race with my brother. Good times..
I just hate that we never got to see Greg Moore or Alex Zanardi compete in this race. Could you imagine what the races in 96,97 and so on would have been like with those guys in the champ cars. Missed some epic racing due to this split.
If the split never happened, Zanardi and Moore would surely have won the Indy 500.
@@skyhigh335 don’t forget that Andretti could have had some good chances to break the cruse. When that is mentioned next time the years he missed should been mentioned.
@@robertmusgrave9236 agreed. Michael was at his peak and would have definitely gotten at least 1 500
Mary Fendrich Hulman(1905~1998) "Ladies and gentlemen, Start your engines" 1978~1996 Her last voice 1996
Except it was "lady". "Ladies" wasn't until 200 (Fisher/St. James---they were even in the same wreck that year [!]).
As a 6 year old kid, I remember in 1995 that I always rooted for Paul Tracy to win because red and 3 was my favorite color and number. The next year in 1996 I was so confused to find out why there are so many different drivers and why drivers like Tracy, Andretti, Unser Jr. and several others are not racing in the Indy 500. I did remember watching the U.S. 500 on that same day.
As a 13yo in 2002, did you think that Tracy got shafted after Lazier-Redon threw up in Turn 2 on lap 199?
The controversy in 2002 only adds the criticism relating to the split. Even with scoring system and the replays they had, many fans felt that Tracy was robbed because Tony George wanted to maintain IRL’s reputation. Penske was running fully in the IRL.
I have binge-watched every Indy 500 on UA-cam between 1982 and 1996. But I think I'm gonna stop there. It's no fun any more without all the old timers. Foyt, Andretti, Al Sr., etc.
Fittipaldi
Yes the old timers are all retired but as long as there is someone racing for the Penske team I will continue watching.
And now 33 years later Roger Penske owns the speedway!
And asshole COVID just decided to fuck that up
Is it crazy that i was a huge fan of the IRL and CART? I loved each for what it was.
No. You have to pick a side or the internet butthurt will be epic.
12:45 the race begins...
this is the fastest year of IndyCar in history so far, the 1996 cars. 236.10MPH lap ran by Eddie Cheever, no ones gone faster before or since in Indy.
Had a ton of boost added and helped by a new surface in the very first year of the IRL to get it off the ground and then they switched to the slower NA power plants in 1997 that were horrible for Indy looking back at it now.
Thanks for uploading this race, most appreciated. I miss the old IRL
That crash at the end is SO Underrated on Huge Crashes in History. And Poor Roberto Geurerro in it again.
Tony Stewart, 60 pounds ago.
a lot of folks hate Smoke, but he was a helluva a race car driver. Born for it.
Thank You Jim Nabors.
He put up a 232.9 in race trim with only 6 laps to go...
Late 1990s was the golden age for oval racing, I suppose today we can enjoy the golden age of endurance racing.
I do agree!!! I think the turrbo engines and simple rules, nice looking cars and great drivers added the right ingredients!
I was at this race sitting in Stand H between turn 4 and the pit entrance. This crash happened right in front of me and for a while I figured that Zampedri was dead. Thankfully he survived.
One good thing about this race is that they still used the 95 CART formula IndyCars.
The next year is when the spilt should have truly began with the change to NA powerplants and odd chassis to Dallara and G Force designs.
Have to say I have never seen this race I was busy watching the CART races and very much took their side of the argument. Going to watch all of this race, but by the 2nd lap you realise what a mess this was and the whole spilt in the open wheel racing was. Will enjoy this race as I love racing, but this is so sad, that the series split. I still feel Tony George was an idiot for doing what he did. There were too many teams and drivers who just were not competent enough to run this race.
If Salazar wasn't tossed out of racing after this race, then nothing makes sense.
This was back when IRL stood for I run left. This race is the only reason Cart is gone. That and Penske coming back and then Ganassi
Guerrero and Salazar would meet sometime somewhere....it was writtem sonce maias and Incas
The “Keystone Cops” 500! This is what happens when someone (Tony George) tries to reinvent the wheel! To this day I’ve never watched another 500.
the whole concept of the IRL seemed interesting and cool as they advertised it.... there are examples of such in all forms of motorsports on each and every level, even at the karting level. There are plenty of cost-cutting available.... This was obviously not the soul reason though. It was honestly a dick move on Tony George's part. It took a great organization like CART and caused them to resort to drastic measures, just to keep its head above water. The IRL was honestly the demise of CART. When CART went bankrupt in the early 2000s, it was the beginning of the end. The IRL grew tremendously when Ganassi and Penske jumped ship. Newman-Haas and Player's were Champ Car's only hope. I hate to see something that was once so good get abandoned. The CART/Champ Car cars ALWAYS looked amazing, and it's a shame that something so great had to have a hole punched in its sail.
Don't forget Andretti and Rahal also jumped ship.
If the IRL had failed, it likely would have been the end of open-wheel racing in America
These IRL drivers back than were a bunch of amateurs next to the high talented CART drivers back then. They wouldn't stand a chance if , Zanardi, De Ferran, Fittipaldi, Andreti's, Andre Ribeiro and Villeneuve to just name a few, were competing with them.
You mean those talented drivers who couldn't get to the start-line at Michigan that day?
Wasn’t Stewart a IRL driver?
I remember going to the 07 Cleveland Grand Prix (maybe 06?) It was the Champ Car series...I remember telling my dad that they were Indycar and my dad told me all about the split...honestly? I can appreciate the IRL...I like open wheels on an oval...but I also like the occasional road course. So it's all a matter of opinion I guess. Racing is racing.
(dmetl) #469 - 306th race I've ever watched ... 106 on the net ... 24 races I've ever watched in the bubble bath ... 25th race I've ever watched while drinking alcohol ... 53 races I've ever watched with a dip of tobacco ... 53 Indy races I've ever watched
Greasy Ol' Saladbar's jackassery (for THIS race) can be seen at 1:22:57 and 2:16:30.
The second scene is absolutely unreal. Just look at the people standing at the wall that the car brushes at 220 - 230 mph :O
What made the second one even worse, team owner Andy Evans admitted on IMS radio that the move was intentional.
At least these guys managed to start the race without wrecking before the green.
Yeah, same can’t be said for tge 97 race.....ehhhh???? 🤔🤔🤔
However IMS lost so much money with the IRL. Tony George was trying to act like he was the savior he had the money given to him but blew it all up and never should have let his personal feelings against CART get in the way. IMS didn’t need the IRL IMS needed CART they were so dumb in Indy it should have not been put on him to run the IRL but have a voting board like CART did. If CART didn’t run the US 500 then both sides could have resolved things then the IRL would have been put on hold and Tony George would have let CART run at Indy a few more years. IMS should have just stayed with CART a few more years 1996 wasn’t the time to start it up then.
George brought the cost down alright. And that allowed teams of 4 entries to as many teams as 7! There’s a village somewhere minus its idiot!
Tony Stewart would’ve won this race if he hadn’t lost his engine
Arie would have since he was much faster & skilled than Tony. But Salad Bar took care of Arie & the engine took care of Tony
A corrida com as voltas mais rapidas da história no cícuito hoje em dia quaze 100 km mais lento
RIP Jim Nabors
@AlexLozanoRacing - It hasn't been the same without him sing Back Home Again...
Back when Tony George's ego started to make me not care about this race anymore. Drivers who couldn't qualify before started to win.
Bryon Lape Penske has control of the track and race as well.
Tony Geoge aside, this wasn't a bad race... Tony Stewart turning 234 lap. Then he's out. Surproised no mention of Scott Brayton killed in practice run nor any mention of Stan Fox with closed-head injury in first lap of 1995 race... Would have been classy to get an update. Brayton, I believe was pole-sitter in 1995 race or at least on the front row...
Henry Frederick If you watch asopher1's version of this race that he just UL'ed, they pay tribute to Scotty throughout the entire pre-race that was cut out of here for some reason.
Thanks for letting me know...
Again, much appreciated...
How I long for my Indiana home....
+Ace Moneymaker really its no How but Then i long for my Indiana home!
If IRL had stuck with these cars the series' probably would've merged even sooner.
these cars were 1995 CART machines
That was never Tony's plan.
1:22:50 Stupid Salad Bar. He should have been parked.
while field except a couple of cars should have been parked - this race was garbage
Davy Jones would go on to win Le Mans less than a month after this race...would have been quite the double
Mario Leone AJ Foyt did exactly that back in 1967, so, yes, he would had been in elite company had he won this.
+Randy Dubin Other thing that viewers should notice is that in my oppinion is that Davy had the race under his belt if not for that idiot move from Salazar..
@@Ferrovelhotv
Nelson Piquet appreciated him too - at Hockenheim 1982.
Man who would have thought that Jonny O would go on to try and murder Dario.
Or that he would be a second faster than every teammate he's ever had?
Tony George and his ego singlehandedly destroyed open wheel racing in America. What a tool.
Like USAC was so good in their minds but they wanted a Jeff Gordon like guy who was in USAC system but went to nascar and so did Tony Stewart both from Indiana to try to make them like Aj Foyt Indycar superstars to make Indycar like it was back in the 60s and 70s before the first split in 1979 but IMS should not have tried tried to mess with tradition with the 25/8 rule.
What did he do
2:44:44
Baddest sounding engine of all time and it's a little V6 LOL ua-cam.com/video/JqDx3zBeOzM/v-deo.html
"Fastest qualifier, starts 20th"
Wat
He qualified on the second day because his car was underweight on the first day. Because he qualified on the second day he was out of contention for pole and all that so the best he coulda qualified was 21st.
2:47:54. jesus good god....
Buddy Lazier was a machine. Had he been in a Penske ride he would have won 3-4.
Attrition of losing a third of the cars is "the norm" by slightly over half way through the race.
These cars were not built well.
1:42:26 🙈
And Harrington's near accident on Lap 2 clearly showed his and over half the field's inexperience.....I totally Agree Anthony ! This race was a joke as Zanardi would have MOPPED the track with Lazier and some of the others....Ganassi won 4 STRAIGHT CHAMPIONSHIPS those years and would have dominated had they not been barred from the 500 with George's ridiculous series and car specs
To be fair, the start of the equivalent 1996 Michigan 500 didn't exactly go to plan!
They were not "barred" from this race. And as for what happened on this day, all I have to point is to the joke that happened in Michigan where all the "experienced" drivers couldn't get to the start-line but then in a move typical of the loopholes CART had in looking out for the interests of Fat Cat elite teams, the guy who crashed was able to put a backup car in his original position and win which is something that can NEVER happen at Indy (see Guerrero, 1992). Jimmy Vasser has the most tainted victory in a 500 mile race of any driver in the history of open wheel car racing and proved exactly why CART was an arrogant, snotty organization that dug its own grave by refusing to recognize that (1) It had allowed costs to skyrocket out of control (2) It gave too much power to elite teams (3) It was abandoning the history and tradition of oval track racing by giving us street parades aimed at appeasing international corporate sponsors and never mind the fact that street racing is the most boring form of racing competition known to man.
Shame on everyone who was in the grandstands that day. This stupid side show shit hold would have folded within 5 years if the fans boycotted this shit, if this happened at long beach nobody would have supported this bullshit because we knew what real racing was.
Michael don’t forget nascar was making a shit ton of money for IMS from 1994-2007 with sellouts during all those year’s and that revenue went into the IRL budget. Also F1 was huge for its first couple of years and made a ton of money as well. Happy Roger Penske bought the track and this Hulman George crippling agenda is gone.
"Real racing" like that farce at Michigan that took place the same day where a guy who crashed his car before the start was somehow able to still win the race? (something you CAN'T do at Indy).
This is amateur hour in the early going, everyone spinning
IRL > CART
Jamais
the second rate drivers
Strange comment considering the high paid professionals at the Real 500 couldn't even make the green without wiping out half the field.