The Wyrm Throne is Getting an Upgrade (also, new space)
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Doug tearing into Ed's throne for "craftsmanship" on a prototype was super uncomfortable. We know he can output incredible stuff, but he's being asked to create brand-new products to match things a whole team is making in Mass. Sure disagree with some of the design choices, but don't insult the man's craftsmanship
Thank yoy
Agreed. I don't think you should expect final product level quality on a prototype. That's just wasting time if it's not exactly right, which with Doug it almost never is. Keep up the great work Ed! Almost exciting to see your work featured.
I agree.
Attacking Ed's work quality on a prototype to get a design is bad management on Doug's part. Ed has repeatedly been referred to as the rapid prototype guy; let him cook, and if it looks close, ask him to make a final product and see how it goes, but don't expect production quality out of a rapid prototype.
God knows worse quality products are being sold in furniture stores everywhere.
I was looking for just this comment, ive seen Ed make some pretty amazing things with limited time. give him time to put together amazing then "criticize" if its wrong. im sure there will be a QC step after every part is made anyway.
Yeah, I did lots of software prototyping in a startup and it was always a tough balance to find the right level of finish so that people could envision the end product. Depended on my audience and when it was going in front of the CEO, it needed to be pretty polished.
Keep up the awesome Ed!
I know there are logistical manufacturing headaches waiting for Ed’s ultra special rogue throne, but DAMN is he right when he said people will stop to look.
Jamesssss! I can't speak for the rest of the wyrmlings but I really missed seeing you. Good to see that you're still there. Much love!
When they closed the old company it was so heartbreaking for him. Its nice to see that he seems to be doing well and is still friendly. It would be really easy to carry animosity.
Same here what a guy
Am I the only one who just wants to watch a timelapse of Ed creating things? He comes out with such awesome looking stuff, that I'd love to just be able to sit back and watch him make it!
Or honestly just a camera in the room that livestreams with some instrumental music in the background
I love Crazy Ed episodes. I know some of them aren’t mass producible, but he thinks so far outside the box it’s a joy to watch. I love to watch his creativity and innovations.
James! That is all.
Class A human there from the brief time we were able to get to know him on Wyrmlife. Always appreciated his viewpoint and visible way he lived by a set of morals & faith.
@@SchmidtymeTimbers Genuinely glad to still see him around and looking happy from time to time.
I feel bad for Ed. He is an excellent worker, with a lot of creativity and artistic sense who has demonstrated a very high level of carpentry when he has been allowed to prioritize quality over time.
I know Doug has no bad intentions, but his choice of words was not the best.
Thank you. Don’t feel bad for me life is great
Ed is the bomb. The work he's done that has been showcased is amazing and brilliant.
on this, i'm actually blaming editing team for making Dougie look a little more harsh than he needs to be. the Rambo joke through line is on point, but i think Dougie and Ed both understand it's a prototype. there's no reason to be like "this gap is an issue" nitpick-y. that's a sexy looking rogue chair, and to prove that it's a rogue chair, there's no seat or arm rests.
i get that the lead in was "Ed does the whole manufacturing" but that makes sense for the shield chair backs, because it's gaudy and silly and hard brand association and e$pensive....so it'll sell MAYBE hundreds. but that prototype with a couple sleek horizontal back slats would sell closer to thousands.
I think Doug is processing out loud his concerns which can come off as not appreciating what Ed does, but is just him quickly having to assess a situation. I hope Ed understands that Doug having that level of comfort when looking at his work is a good thing, and Doug is looking at big picture. I also hope that Doug spends one on one time with Ed to show appreciation. I think it would be awesome if Doug could take a day to walk Ed through some of the woodworking techniques that he knows. I also think they should not have Ed do the prototypes anymore, but he should instead be in charge of the signature series one off things that customers want. They should run through a gate system for prototypes, where they have a gate for new designs. Usually it goes gate 1 is outline the problem and the cost of the product and resources they want to throw at it, gate 2 takes the design criteria and a quick proof of concept and feasibility and nail down the overall feel of the product, gate 3 is then doing a proof of manufacturing to see if the concept can be adapted to the manufacturing abilities they have, gate 4 is proof of production where any jigs and fixtures are created or added, and then gate 5 is the final go ahead and start making and selling it. The problem I think they are having is jumping from proof of concept and manufacturability at the same time. First get the overall spirit of the product figured out then adapt that to your manufacturing abilities, so proof of concept can be free creatively understanding that at the manufacturing prototype some features might need removed if they can’t be done. Before moving to the next gate though a person from each department sales, customer service, manufacturing, engineering etc needs to be there to sign off before moving on, so they all feel they have a say and buy off on the product.
I'm sure he does. That is the life of a designer. You have to be able to have your work critiqued and picked apart.
The moment where Doug goes in on Ed’s craftsmanship not being up to snuff or demonstrated on a prototype was wild. Whether it’s just for the wyrmlife of it all or not, that’s one of the biggest managerial red flags to me as a worker. When their inflated ego about the job they no longer do makes them critique something that was not in the project description.
Love seeing James is still around :)
I think it was pretty clear that Ed put the prototype together to give a very overall look at what's possible, and because he's making prototypes they have to be easy to adjust/modify so he can take it apart and remake it with rapid changes.
Because Ed's work often ends up surprisingly well-finished for prototypes, they just forget that he's basically cranking out most of the prototypes quickly to be prototypes and are not the intended final versions.
That said, I love the "extra-ness" of that chair and can't wait to see the updated version when it's ready!
It's nice to see Matt doing the rounds as he runs wyrmwood
I think a lot of these comments are being too hard on Doug. His heart is in the right place, but a lot of times his mouth operates about 3 seconds faster than his brain. Crazy Ed has done a lot of next level stuff and is an excellent craftsman, but he's also a prototyper. These are two very different roles, but he's talented enough to fill both. I don't think Doug was pointing out flaws to be a jerk, he was just saying these are issues that need to be shored up on an actual product. You can't put an actual chair together with pocket screws, it wouldn't last a month.
As I was watching the episode, I was thinking crazy. Ed should be given the barn out back as his workspace to increase production creativity and then I hear the word spoken. He is the one man army with a green light go go go.
I want whatever Ed wants for me
Doug criticizing ed on the finish quality of a prototype is rich. Homie you want fast,cheap & good ...pick 2. Prototypes are for problem solving.
Doug beating up crazy Ed over his craftsmanship. He is a prototyper, Doug expecting end finish item before they even get a design down.
Thank you
@@CRAZY-ED love the work you do, always excited to see you on the show and what you built.
@@ericburke3223 thank you again
I would suggest, for the cushions, adding some piping or embroidery. Especially for the rogue. As it is, it is a bit plain.
Eds throne looks awesome. I understand the concerns. Doug is worried about the long term of their product. Items that will sit in living rooms when the purchasers are dead. But Ed knows that's not what he made. Dudes made excellent stuff. This was a mock up.
"gotta see it from the back" same doug same.. XD
Time to get Dmitri a VR headset so you can look at the mockups from a person perspective
It's suprising how different scale is when you put something in VR.
I work in construction, and for fun we put some models of buildings into VR. I even modelled my own apartment, and it mentally feels like the right.
Ed's shirt (and the edit) got me good. I want one...
The Ed episodes are the best ❤ so many cool ideas and creations, I am kind of sad that Dough is not as blown away as I am sure most of us viewers are, keep it up!
Ed is incredible in thinking aboutside the box and what would "pop". His talent is so intriguing and cool.
James! Hope he's doing good!😁
I’d love to see a “Crazy Ed meets Jimmy Diresta” video! Put those two in a workshop for a week, and who knows what’ll come out!
I want to be clear, I want a THRONE. Not some end chair my grandma would approve of. That being said, let me know where to send my deposit. It would be an honor to have a hand made Crazy Ed THRONE.
I would rather have an imperfect item hand crafted by Ed than the other items I have received from wyrmwood that Doug says in this video should be perfect. My mgt has had multiple issues and customer service was horrible to work with. I still have a gap in the top of table frame but with how painful of a process my original issues were I will not deal with their customer service again currently and will not order any more items.
Crazy Ed, I want that T-shirt. Yo Doug, how about a workshop in Australia to cut the cost of shipping to Australia where you can ship within Australia and just bypass customs who would keep the product for over a month before shipping it on to the person, I know several shipping companies that can do interstate shipping for a good price
I’ll head up that location
I would like to say... Doug is wrong. That is what I would want if I was buying a "throne" of any kind. I think Ed nailed the design, sure maybe there needs to be some testing to see if there can be some changes made to the process to guarantee the Craftsman Promise, but the design is fantastic. The only bit I didn't like is the Paduk showing through on the back rest sides as it curves out to the width of the bottom.
TL;DR You fucking killed it Ed, Doug you were being an asshole.
Sounds like Ed's going Rouge
I kind love eds prototype. I do agree that it needs to be up to the same standards but that’s why prototypes are made
The comment about quality with the chair kinda go to me. its one thing if its the final product and if its a prototype proof of concept let try and bunch of stuff and see what fits kinda job. the Gaps and stuff are just things that are part of a prototype, the veneer point might be a valid consern but the chair looks good and it did its job of showing off a lot of different ways that you could take the final product.
Always gotta let Ed cook, the man is a master chef.
The benches look fine, but visually, the simplicity of the cushion does not match the esthetic of the wood design underneath. You have this quality wood piece with a simple cushion on top. What if you shrunk the cushion to where there is a 1 to 2 inch wood border around it and you used a pin cushion of a chosen color. The "buttons" that would provide the pin cushion look could be a different accent color as well.
Or just a regular box cushion with piping.
@@yochva At first I was thinking another cushion color on the sides but Piping sounds like a better idea.
@@yochva Piping is not a bad option either. My concern is the price increase for a signature series should also include a higher end (at least visually) cushion design. Also, I am not a fan of the cushion wrapping around the top of the bench. I would attach the cushion directly to the top of the bench or make it swappable if you want to purchase various colors without having to buy multiple benches.
Rich is turning into a whole wyrm vibe and I'm loving it.
Crazy Ed=Rambo
I like the look of the Rambo chair.
0:32 Doug looking like an anime protagonist
Got an actual laugh out of me. Thanks!
I think you might be surprised how many thrones you sell. I don't have a Prophecy, can't afford one, and don't plan to buy the regular chairs -- going to go third party for those. But I'm thinking of saving up for a throne as a show piece, especially if I can find some cheaper dark stained chairs I think would match decently well. Love the Wyrmwood shield, partly because I love trees anyway and it's a cool design. Doesn't feel like a company logo to me.
Love the James cameo at the end! But I respect why he chose to not be as involved in Wyrmlife.
As I come to leave my comment I see this has already been posted. Many times. Ed is a genius craftsman. Having built guitars I can attest he is at master level work for Wyrmwood. Doug my man... He deserves a apology for that. You acted a little like my old supervisor whom I called out while I was leaving. And I genuinely like you Doug so don't be that guy. Please.
Ed is a beast!
Awesome prototypes!!
Crazy Ed you make great stuff!
Doug gets a prototype and expects a finished production level product. Geez.
Damn Doug... have some couth. While he may be right about the fit and finish, its a quick prototype. Seeing him rip into Ed was rough, awkward and uncalled for (imo). I wonder if that is the real Doug trying to come out?
Now that's a throne. Can always rely on Crazy Ed
Doug, stop being overly critical about a mock-up. You know damn well that Crazy Ed is able to put out amazing work and the final product would be something you would be proud to say came from Wyrmwood. As for the chair itself, I agree that less is more.
I know that James is not a part of Wyrmlife by choice and we can respect that choice. But, given how emotional he was about selling his families' company, it really is great to see him smiling.
CRAZY ED!!!!!! Once again, I am asking for a spin-off channel...ALL CRAZY ED!!!!
He has his own channel now
The real solution was for Doug to ask Ed to finish the prototype so they sign off and then ask for a client chair after the prototype is done to see what his actual technique choices would be when not just trying to bum rush a color selection/vibe.
It's a thing that happens a lot in tech, prototype programmers, enterprise/bulk programmers, small greenfield programmers and maintenance programmers we're all VERY different breeds by default and its unfair to call out a prototype as not being enterprise quality when thats not at all what was even asked in the first place.
The actual proper solution would be to have a VR setup for these things for the simplicity of using a 3d render for early color picks, insert placements, and bevel depths/styles exactly so you dont get bogged down in "theres a gap in this color prototype""
The comments Doug made, bashing Ed's prototype, is still rubbing me the wrong way....
As a programmer I prototype all the time. In *no way* are prototypes meant to be production quality. They are literally, "here's an idea, try it out and see if you like it."
Sure, Doug needs to worry about production; but, at the same time, he should not ridicule someone on quality when that was not the point of what was being shown to him.
the dark bench gets a little church-y for my sensibility. which doesn't have to be bad, it's just something to note.
also, let Ed have the chaaaaair!
Ed is right, definitely black for the cushion
100% Deadass wrong. People are gonna go nuts for Wurmthrones.
Good to see James. I know he does not want to be seen but it is good to see him anyway.
The Wyrmwood arms race begins!
Pretty sure Ed is precise until you put time as a factor
It's a good sign when your plant manager is calm, that means shit isn't hitting the fan yet
WTH Doug! An initial prototype is not going to have the same level of quality as a pre-production model. You're focusing on the wrong things, if that's what you choose to nit pick right now.
Dammit Crazy Ed, you piqued my curiosity with that shirt...
Lost track of days for Bennett x Crazy Ed
Ed, you're an absolute unit.
I’ve never been called a unit before but thank you
@@CRAZY-ED I'd say calling you rambo is akin to it haha. That chair is remarkable.
Stop being so narrow minded. Ed Signature chairs. Have him hand make all of them and sign and number them.
Admit it Wyrmwood, you are not worthy of Ed's Genius!
Ooof. Criticizing the craftsmanship of a proof of concept is a bad look, let alone right in front of the guy. It's either lack of focus driven criticism on Doug's part or extremely poor editing by the editing team to make Doug look bad.
I wasn't sold on the throne until "Ed makes them." I'd pay a premium for a Crazy Ed one-off as long as he signs his work.
contact him if you want something from him. he has his own youtube channel and he does side work.
Everyone criticizing Doug over the comments are way overreacting. Doug is assuaging the desire for Ed's design choices. I don't know if he (Doug) reads a lot of comments, but I see a bunch of people drooling over Ed's designs, which yes are cool and interesting. However he is pointing out in this video the issues with Ed's chair here. Does it come off as harsh? Maybe. I think they know Ed can mock things up quickly and is able to present them with things that are at scale and LOOK close enough to the production model to make decisions without spending resources on the full scale equipment that may just not work. It's a matter of resource management.
Could Ed slow down and produce customer level product? I'm sure he could, he would need the industrial level equipment they use to match the finish of the end product which might be complicated, depends on demand and volume and so much more than "I would buy the thing based off this short hand filmed video." Ed's time is probably worth a LOT more than you would be willing to pay for a chair, I'm sure. Cool designs, but don't crap on people just because they are being realistic.
A wild James appears! ❤
Best show on UA-cam
Crazy Rambo Ed
Id be curious to see the "throne" Ed would make for himself.
James! Hope he’s doing well
Dang, when can we get that chair!
Miss You James!!!
So... when they're done with the popsicles, does Wyrmwood use the sticks to make MTGs?
If the bench was straight, you could store the toppers on the bench shelf.
Saw the Goldeneye HUD and was totally expecting that banger pause music for the outro.
I would consider outsourcing the cushion fabric on this one. Maybe someone who can do embroidery or something to not put what looks like a cheap etsy cushion on a very fine, bespoke bench.
Crazy Edbo.
I seem to recall a recent episode in which some sort of comments were made about the amount of time Crazy Ed spends on stuff. If you want a prototype that is showroom ready, it is going to take Crazy Ed more time. If you want a rapid prototype to assess how something might look, while complaining about how much time things take, the 1st draft is not the place to expect everything to be perfect. That's not fair. I feel like Doug has been in position long enough to understand that and be mindful of that. But that's not what we see in this video.
If you brought the throne to the MGT line I'm sure you would sell a bunch. I know myself if I could get it for my elm MGT getting 1 or 2 would be a no brainer for me
God I hope this new location is close to Syracuse, I would love to work for a company that actually cares about it's employees.
I would be verry careful putting alot of small detail on a surface that gets handled alot such as the armrests on the chairs. Glued on wood will eventually were off or chip easier there
What's up, James!?!
Crazy idea. Why hinge the bench? Use vertical hinges and have it come up like the table tops you did a while ago on the lilipup i think. Itbwould be neat if it went up and back away from the table. As it stands id have to get up walk around or over the bench to open it. For a high end item i shouldnt be inconvenienced as a customer if im payong 10k plus for a table and bench.
the curve is the issue with the hinges letting it pivot away vs towards the table.
Adam Savage said there are three points on production triangle, Fast, Good, and Cheap. You only get two, if you want Fast and Good, it won't be cheap. You are choosing Heirloom prototypes, do you want Expensive Ed or Slow Ed? Doug saying he hasn't seen quality work from Ed is ridiculous.
Thank yoy
He's saying that he knows the quality that he's seen is not production quality. The question seemed to be could they offer Crazy Ed one off products, and his concerns that he hasn't seen the right level of craftsmanship yet start to be valid. Remember, he's always been appreciative of Ed, but the fine details need to be precise. His ideas are regularly being implemented, but he still may not be a perfect craftsmanship yet.
JAMES! We love you! Please come back!
Personally I feel like the whole chair wenge with the logo solid red color in the back might be alright
Put interior *Rails* on the inside of the Bench... For Storage!!!
If I ever come across that shirt in public 😂
A limited run... Numbered 'Ed'ition Wyrmwood Throne... nothing more needs be said.
Crazy Edbo?
Favorite desk? Linnmon from Ikea! :P
You guys start offering these thrones and ill stop b!tching about how the MGT chairs dont have magnetic rails to them... Cause I'd buy one of these for my MGT, hands down.
Since I'm watching ok mobile, it's a bit hard to check myself - what does Ed's QR link to? 😅
Hey Doug - you might wanna lay off Ed. He constantly goes above and beyond, and has come up with a LOT of great innovative ideas that y'all are currently selling and making money on. You may be too full of yourself to realize it, but if he walks, it would be a big loss for Wyrmwood.
Also, I've never seen a more talented and skilled woodworker.
Thank you very much
Your Rambo chair appears to have equivalent precision to your C&C line of stuff you already produce. We have been getting all sorts of ill-fitting jank out of Wyrmwood already, so that chair as is fits right in.
Doug made it so much more difficult to film and watch-they should have just moved the bench into a larger space.
James!!!