I’ll say this here and now, this video is very flawed and definitely should have been released after some more testing could be done. I will admit phoveus is stronger now, but my perspective towards his purpose still remain true. I’m taking this video as a lesson to further improve how I make commentary style videos, especially with the new patch coming very very soon. This won’t be the last of the ‘state of x’ series, but it’ll definitely be done wayyy more objectively and accurately. Anyway I’m done yapping, blizard signing out
I think he is stronger in damage.. but not sustain.. one of the thing that i love about phoveus is the fun of screaming "you dash now, dashhh!!" But now no more... I cant make phoveus sustain in late game.. i guess the best word i can say is, phoveus is no longer unique.. just another fighter..
i mean i paired up with a friend and he took 400k dmg in a 30 minutes match. while he's easier to use, i think he needs an ability for him to kite the enemies. also he needs to be in the right moment to go into a war. he's now weaker in laning but he's a bit stronger during wars
they should release a new character named not phoveus and it has all the old phoveus skills but better scaling and stats (pre crucifixion nerf). just like old clint's limited bullet mechanic turned into granger.
Opinions differ from player to player. Most players voices out that he lost his purpose, which is to counter dash heroes, although the thought is still there but it's lacking. Second, some say that his sustain is much weaker, which I might agree to some extent, since they made his ult vulnerable to damage. His pros is that he proactively set his marks without having to rely on enemy dashes, it's like "you're in your own" type of hero right now. His kit is decent, yet still lacking.
First off, really good video! This is reminicent to video essays of this genre like Exil and Vars! I do also want to make videos similar in nature. Back to the main topic, what sets Phoveus revamp to be really different was how they sacrificed his identity so he's more accessible. Think of it this way, imagine Lolita suddenly gets knockups and healings in her kit, in exchange for her 2nd skill gimmick to be different, but functions similarly. Revamps are supposed to retain the identity of a hero, while fixing the problems a hero had. This revamp did not fix any of that. Which boggles me, because his ultimate worked fine as it is. It punishes dashes directly, and you get rewarded for your kit. This revamp removes that direct punishment, and made it more niche. TLDR: This revamp killed his identity in exchange for accessibility.
Ayyy thanks for the support! I appreciate it a lot man! Tbh you should make videos like these too, it’s a pretty niche mlbb subtopic for now. Anyway, I see what you mean. Lolita probably was one of the best revamps because it fixed her problem of having dead air when skills are in cooldown, but they still kept the slow, defensive style of Lolita’s original kit. It was like the best of both worlds. Back to Phoveus, I do think he’s actually getting there. Moonton just had a few hiccups and accidentally removed his entire gimmick… I just hope they hear the players voices and change Phoveus accordingly.
the only problem with old phoveous was, he is only pretty effective if enemy has alot of dashes or your team has alot of pull skills, old phoveous had alot of damage like i could 2 shot marksmen and the sustain he had was insane because of his ult the only thing i wanted to change about phoveous is to make him also able to trigger the mark by himself, and that was it. now they removed his old passive, the shield from his ult, and practically lower damage. in exchange for what, for being able to trigger marks by yourself. sacrificed damage, sustain and uniqueness
I kinda like how old phoveus worked back then. When enemy gusion tried to escape using his ulti I literally teleported on top of him to finish him off ahh the good ol days
I keep getting kited by dashing heroes when it wasnt a problem before. As much as I like how proactive he becomes I think he needs a bit more enhancement. I also agree to bring back his old passive that’s definitely the reason I liked this hero.
personally i believe the main problem with the old phoveus was an ult cd which was probably the biggest burden on him and how he is limited to only countering dash heroes. I'm glad that they changed that but like he no longer hardcounters fast characters which is his whole purpose
I had realy great games in one day before rewamp, he really neaded skill to fight agans non-dashing heros, it was like... Tactical task, and if you do right, you will win, i got trieple kill, you neaded to use that one second of being in air to analyse situations and dwcide what to do, while new phoveua is rather a A chaotic attack of convulsions in team fights
Let’s keep this comment section civilized alright? I know this video can be a bit controversial considering sufficient high and pro level data hasn’t even been collected yet
One more change that bugged me the most when playing him is he no longer has CC immunity during ult. You can literally be pulled by Franco's hook or thrown by Jawhead throw while ulting. Its so frustrating and harder to get to the enemy backline
New phoveus was meh after trying him out Issues were 1. Only 2nd phase of 1st skill applies mark and with the lack of mobility enemies just escape before ya can land it 2. He is so slow 3. Vulnerable duting s3 4. No invincibility during s3 5. He don't have enough sustain whenever he jumps on a team fight 6. Can't kill a layla 7.AGAIN, HE CAN BARELY CHASE ANYONE!!
YOOOO NO WAY ITS TREX I’m a huge fan of the professional scene and have really enjoyed your casting! Can’t believe you (or a caster in general) got to watch one of my videos, I’m really glad you enjoyed it too!
My problems with Revamped Phoveus (despite not playing anymore but that doesn't stop me from criticizing): 1. Design: He got the "Necrokeep Treatment" (i.e getting rid of a once ugly and/or menacing character and slap a pretty marketable face on them). The design is starting to grow on me a bit but that doesn't stop the fact that they basically made him "hot". Not to mention his VA making him sound younger than he should have been. 2. Lore: I'm aware that majority of the people who play ML don't give two shits about lore but I do. Astaros being incased inside a tombstone and not being able to talk anymore is a HUGE downgrade. And the fact that Phoveus is in control. Astaros now instead of vise versa doesn't help at all. 3. Gameplay: Don't know what else to tell you. They removed the one niche he had that differentiated himself from the rest and made him boring. Why give him a niche to begin with if you're just gonna remove it? Surely there was a better way to rework him without his niche of being able to pounce on enemies who dash. That's the one saving grace that kept people playing him. Now? I feel like people are playing him just cause. Anyways that's all. Too lazy to read? Here's a TL;DR: 1. Design: Sex Sells 2. Lore: From Sub to Dom 3. Gameplay: I can't chase you no more
Skipping to 3 because I don't care about his design and lore. His niche was what made him unpopular in the first place. He was very reliant on enemy heroes having blink skills. Even so, when the old meta shifted to high mobility blinking heroes like Fanny, Nolan, and Harith, his usage rate didn't even reach 1%. Based on those stats, his own niche wasn't even effective against what he was supposed to counter. Now that we have a Phoveus that can be used regardless of whether the enemies can blink or not, as well as still being a very effective counter against blinking heroes, people are still dissatisfied because players have to use a bit of their brain to play him effectively? The ML playerbase can act so entitled sometimes.
Bruh he needs to be immune to damage while jumping animation. Thats the biggest drawback on using him rn. He is killed during his jump. Its so bad he goes in and dead
I've playing Phoveus for a while now and yeah I can pretty much agree with you. Activating sinners mark is really a hassle unless there's a team fight. His performance overall isn't that bad, but then again, he is just very easy to be picked on, especially heroes like Freya. The devs should really give his skills some buffs and maybe return his anti-dash mechanic.
I Been playing him in Mythical Glory rank and I feel like he's fine, just need a little Buff on his damage. I really like his new passive which can stop every heroes skill casting mid way and he can push down ling off the wall easily. I hope we can see phov's creative gameplay on pro scene.
THIS! poveus used to be my pocket pick, even as far as a secret weapon, especially in online tournament he's so strong with the new glowing wand revamp (pre-emo pove). Even with no dash heroes, you can inflict consistent damage and sustain longer, with glowing + tank item if my roamer pick tigreal, it's almost gg, we can wreck the enemy formation with only 2 of us and his ult used to be more "semi-invicible", nowadays, you can hit him easily during the ult. The differences is huge. Especially in the late game, any marksman will tear you in a second. with the old poveus, you can bully late game moskov
This is actually really useful information, unfortunately I didn’t get to test Phoveus with the new items right before his revamp cause admittedly I forgot his revamp was coming out (big mistake on my part)
@@dotBlizard yeah, glowing wand really do complete poveus as a whole. Increasing his shield (magic power), increasing his damage (constant burn), give him a little bit of HP, and then life drain. if your team won at early game, you can build ice queen wand on mid game to further bully anyone with annoying slow + burn effect yeah, old poveus is better, 100% tried a lot of build with the new pove, and all of them fell off really hard on late game.
You say that he lost his purpose, but he already did when Minsithar got revamped. Why pick Phoveous, a slow hero where if the opponent is wanwan, you might not even have an ult late game since she jumps so fast. When you can pick a good setter tank in Khufra, or an all rounder in Minsithar.
You know that’s actually a good point I didn’t think of that, I’ll give you props for that. But with that point I’d say he has lost his purpose even more, no hate to you man I promise I really like this point you’ve made
I know people don't like his revamp much, people don't see how bs he is when played right. Right being the bs full tank build we use and revitalize, making him essentially a raid boss to deal with. People wonder about his sustain but still pick up offensive items instead of defensive which doesn't work on him because he's very sluggish, hence his main power abusively being tanky and slamming you with HP% damage until your team comes and finishes off the depressed enemies who fought you for like 2 minutes.
It's just the lowranks who think they're the main character and wants to kill everything they see thinks that phoveus is bad. Phoveus on his own is not as threatening or menacing when using dash heroes compared to back then but now he is fundamentally broken cause he literally can zone like a thamuz or terizla on neutral objectives while also having a good chasing ability and percentage based damage skills meaning he really doesn't need damage items other than war axe and queen's wings to deal alot of damage while being super tanky at the same time
He is stronger back then his burst damage is super strong, i think his damage rn is alot weaker but he became more flexible. But ngl i like the old phoveus more.
@@HalfgojoLoltf? How mf? He has burst now and you can actually build tank without affecting his damage much. Cause he deals %hp damage now. How is he weaker? Or you're just using the magic items lol. When you build war axe and queens wing that is the only item he needed to do damage the broken duo. And you can just build him tank
Ive had like 100plus match on the old phov, considering how unpopular he is, i like the passive before with the concept of all seeing eye… it definitely gives him a unique encounter with enemies… i just wish they gave him a target on his ult. Hes sheild gain on skill 1 is really great that trades early game specially when they buff it on the last patch. I totally agree his dispalcement is kinda meh, the range of skill 2 is really amazing in team fightd now he plays more upclose… i agree he could be better but he definitely lost his flavor.
I like it because you can spam it more (bit easy to use upclose) but his skill 2 before if they lowered its cooldown like this one, is way better specially max level - the circle is huge lol now its kinda hard to chase someone, defintly huge playstyle change but still works.
I main the old phoveus and I like the way he counters almost heroes that heavily use dashes. He counters way better than minsitthar because of his kit truly depends against dashing heroes. It's just so sad that it's all gone now and yet he's just another fighter that depends on marks to make himself work like arlott.
Oh boi. Why are people complaining he is weak? Im sure that if the old and new phov match against each other he can win all. He is such a strong fighter. Can easily deal with any exp laner. Its funny cause every hero like harith and wan wan can just dodge his ult by dashing lol.
@@davenjoshbaquing6097 It's because revamped phoveus ult purposely nerfed itself whenever you hit multiple enemies, mind you 80% reduction heal and not only that you're also still vulnerable to CC, if you use his ultimate when theres multiple enemies, theres a good chance they can just stun you and kill you off Other than that, his sustain is noticeably weaker than old phoveus, his shield is so pathetically less than what it used be than old phoveus, he's also very squishy, so it's recommended to use full tank item if you want to survive until late game. Furthermore, he falls off heavily in late game, there's not much you can do if you get stunned since most enemies has gotten their core item. Overall, if we put up old phoveus vs revamped phoveus, its obvious that old phoveus would've win at any time given how pathetic revamped phoveus sustain is and how squishy revamped phoveus is
I play classic, he is usually in the enemies. He does pack a punch in early-mid game and good in team fight. However, after I purchase sea halberd, he can be countered too.
@@renetteryaniicurioso109 how do you counter if he deal large portion of his damage in %hp. I 1v1 alpha with sea halberd and i don't even have a anti heal item and still one with half of my hp like sure bro
They removed his old passive to constantly harass dashing heroes but they makes Minsitar's ult to counter even the hero's unique traits like on Ruby and Wanwan? Is that completely biast?
honestly, he is good, but they should adjust his ult, like making him invincible when he spam ult, he gets killed easily even if he ult, he can't handle 2 or 3 enemies with that terrible ult
A really good suggestion, although I’d probably say he is on the verge of getting good. Like the foundation is there it’s just lacking some things to be good, you get what I mean?
Thw only problem i have with this revamp is that they killed his voice lines previous ones were much better now the voice lines are kinda generic and more edgy other than that his gameplay is much better
I love it when astaros say something to phoveus in latin, it really makes phoveus much more unique than any other characters in mlbb, especially when astaros talk, damn, it really does feel like you're phoveus
He lost a lot of what made him unique but in exchange he's now really annoying because he gets unlimited pokes once he gets to level 4. Brave smite plus spell vamp plus the sustain from his ult gives him ridiculous trade patterns, so I wouldn't say he's "weaker", more like his power shifted somewhere else. tho I do think he's pretty slow, his 2nd+flicker combo has almost as much value as an edith 1st+flicker giving him an actual, unconditional engage tool compared to his old version that isn't easy to dodge. I really agree with the changes you suggested, he really doesn't have any safe disengage except maybe his first skill. Really interested in how he'll do in the pro scene, if he even shows up at all.
I really like this perspective on his revamp and I agree with what you think. Maybe, just maybe I’m stuck in the past in terms of Phoveus’ place in the game. I really enjoyed playing his prerevamp after all
@@dotBlizard As someone that's been playing for a long time, from what I remember it felt like phoveus was made as more of a response to the current meta at the time which was dominated by blink heroes like harith, ling, and lancelot so having a hero that had the potential to hard counter them was pretty fun.
However, because of the tank meta, he turned into an even more conditional pick than he already was, and considering the meta in the exp lane, he kind of fell off because his kit didn't really give anything to the team like the set potential of a terizla ult or arlott ult nor did it give consistent damage and sustain like xborg or yu zhong
Yep he was designed to counter dashes because it was relevant for the time and mobility was just too safe regardless. Tank meta did make him pretty mid but he did find a lot of use cases as a counter to backline heroes through dashes or displacement (which coincidentally aligned with his kit). Now with the revamp, they did try to make him more consistent and I really believe they’re in the right direction, just dabble a little bit of those anti dash mechanics from his prerevamp state and we might have another amazingly designed hero (no hate to the other heroes).
He's a very situational hero before and has very unique but has a huge limit because of esmeralda counter and non dash heroes. Now hes not on that limit anymore, he's just a common fighter with gimiks and thats it. he more of a damage dealer now.
Old phoveus was fully dependent to your skill unless enemy have 2 or more realy realy dashy heros, every fight felt like tactical task that was realy cool to do right, i remember geting 2 trieple kills in 2 matches in a row, that was 1day before rewamp, enemy team didnt haved dashers, and fighting agans them was great, new phoveus realy dont fell like you are using brain
This has to be by far the worst revamp moontoon did to a hero, they killed anything special about him and worst of it all they nerfed his ass to the ground, before he was picked only in specific cases but at least he had some viability now there is absolutely no reason to pick him
Tf? If you play terizla he is just a terizla but 10x better. Has a % health damage and no cd ult. I prefer this phov than the old one. Old one can't even Counter wan wan like bruh.
True, it will take a while to get use of his new passive. Wished they didn't remove the mark that Phoveus gives everytime his opponents use a blink skill.
@@davenjoshbaquing6097 "He is just terizla but 10x better" Every time I see one of your replies, It makes me wanna claw out my brains because of how insufferably idiotic you are, better than terizla? Are you a child, wait you might be a child considering most of your replies have broken grammar and arguments that don't have any weight to it. And really? Revamped phoveus is better than terizla, please bud, I have fought with terizla before, and revamped phoveus doesn't even come close to terizla if the user knows what he's doing, so please, respectfully stop being a child
@@YakouHikoichi I agree with your statement, not so much your complete meltdown malding over it. Please think clearly and re-assess what you’re mad at. If you had a bad day, then you gotta allow yourself to have a good one. I agree though, phoveus now is still meh. It’s unique but it’s not…phoveus.
Nah, new phoveus is a headache in team fights. His displacement in second skill disturbs every heroes except lolita, which makes him a powerful opponent. And, the new phoveus doesn't rely on full defense or magic items. So, he can be durable and powerhouse at the same time when using semitank build.. yes, i don't think he's too op. Because, we can Dodge his skills just by running out of him. If they reduced his CD, what stops him? So, don't complain if you lost a few battles.. he's better than he was before.. 😅
Stronger? yes. Fun? ABSOLUTELY NOT HE LOST HIS PURPOSE WHICH IS TO COUNTER DASH HEROES, HE HAD BETTER PASSIVE WHICH REVEALS ENEMY IF THEY DASH IN A BUSH, HE WAS FASTER, HAD MORE UTILITY AGAINST DASH HERO. But alas, he's turned into a generic brawler that doesn't offer anything new, he literally just dunks on your empty head like fucking lebron james.
His "unique" skill kit was what made him unplayable in the first place. Now that it's more versatile, people start to complain? You people just want strong, braindead heroes to easily rise ranks.
@@friednoodle6582 Old Phoveus: Spam ult on a dashing enemy. Use second skill and Flameshot to force blinks. Hope the enemy dies before my ult ends or else I have to wait 30 seconds before I get to use it again. New Phoveus: I need to engage with my enhanced basic attack and follow up with my 1st skill to prep for my next mark placement before I use my Ultimate. After using my ultimate I can displace the enemy with my 2nd skill to charge my passive and place a mark so I can use my ultimate again. By that point, I can use the 2nd phase of my 1st skill to apply another mark so I can use my ultimate again. If the enemy escapes or survives, there's no need to panic. Since my ultimate has no cooldown, I can start harassing him if he decides to prolong the fight. I just need to be careful about my placement and timing.
Phoveus main here- Hes better once you reach level 8 he demolishes dash heroes because of how fast dashes reset yout passive. His passive literally stops heroes mid dash so he hard counters them even with this new revamp. The thing i miss is the shield from ultimate and he doesnt deal magic damage anymore :((
@@H20ZTS He does deal magic dmg, although it weirdly scales with physical dmg, so don't worry, you'll still deal poor magic dmg to the enemies Hmmm, yes, he is good in early-mid game, I won't lie, he has a good impact on the match if you know how to play him properly, because I have played him for 50+ matches, and early - mid game is where he truly shines, BUT, he falls off heavily in the late game, I'm speaking this from experience, because phoveus doesn't deal a ton dmg in the late game, alongside with his terrible sustain, I suggest you to play with extra caution when it comes to late game, since MM, mages, and junglers could burst you down easily
Ya I’ve noticed that as well, he has this oddly timed power spike in midgame. I wouldn’t exactly say he hard counters dashes, but the passive does stop them in their tracks for a short period, maybe enough to take them down if you can coordinate with your team or you play well enough. I’ve played both versions of Phov and I gotta say the magic damage and shield will really be missed :((
Yes I totally agree MBL has spoiled phoveus and faramis for me From my experience old phoveus was slow but gank proof with it's abilities. It took me several practice to truly understand it's potential and purpose which later I really enjoyed it. You need patience to play this hero. Its only weakness was being stunned. I even loved the voice over and it's mythic story behind it. Sadly it was all gone with the revamp. I think they should work on other heroes who truly need revamp.
Reminder to those who think phoves is "good". You CAN dash out of his ult with ruby and bene. Terizla, gato and thamuz will out sustain him. Khaleed will out rotate him. Paq and dyr will bully him pre lvl 4 so bad that he won't be able to do much after lvl 4. Masha and Argus just make him look pathetic late game. And yes, let's not forget the monster Edith and Arlott can just use s2 to dodge phove's s2. Yes, he does outsustain yz , but only in late game, where even cici does that. But guess what? Yz has better teamfight. Infact everyone here has a better impact in a teamfight. Probably not thamuz. And finally, if u immobalize him he can't use ult. Minsi completely shuts him down, cause he can't ult. He does beat Freya, but that he could do even before. His dependency on his team has increased even more, thanks to this revamp. If he just gets zoned once or uses his s2 thats it. He'll die to the gank. He goes into teamfights jist to get shutdown mid air
@@davenjoshbaquing6097 Dude, you're an idiot if you think like this lmao A pro Benedetta user can just use her dashes to dodge your attack, and dont forget that benedetta has alot of cc immunity, so you're practically playing with yourself if you actually went up against an actual pro Bene user Besides, harith can also buy glowing wand, genius wand, and feather to counter revamped phoveus, he's not that hard to counter, just buy anti heal, and dmg base health, then revamped phoveus is just another fighter
Yep I could see that happening, that’s why I mentioned it might be too much. Don’t want to make heroes overpowered, that just ruins the game balance even more
Stfu. He is new and the playstyle drastically change. And there is a rule for new and revamped hero can't use them immediately. In his current state he is the strongest fighter right after julian. He was only good against hero who dash frequently which is easily countered. Insanw damage with a ult that deal 10% max hp with no cooldown?
True, his old mechanics made him unique. Now, he is easily targeted. Even if his skills do big damage and became physical damage, against good opponents, he is a punching bag
@@bjuganda7758 Finally, someone that use their brain, revamped phoveus doesn't deal alot of dmg since he's now a physical dmg fighter than magic dmg fighter, and nowadays physical dmg can easily be countered by antique currass, dominance ice, twilight armor and thunderbelt Against an opponent that knows revamped phoveus weakness, he really is a punching bag
As a phoveus main, all they had to do is to make some changes like faster skills, and no cd ult, now i main argus because the revamped phoveus sucks, he cant burst enemies like he use too when you build full burst build magic, and most of all, he lost all the uniqueness that i like from him, its like they striped his identity from him
Lmao right now he is still one of the stronger exp laner, like you can literally bully even yz on lane. If your suggestions to him gets added then thats just unbalanced.
By far phoveus revamp is the worst, he just lacks so much in his skill kit he can easily get outplayed by long range mm and mages and his sustain is non existent 😢
@@dotBlizardYou're still right that Phoveus lost his initial purpose, he's maybe stronger in general now since he's more flexible of a pick, but he did lose his fun playstyle against dash enemies. This new Phoveus is pretty good, but old Phoveus will still be missed.
This is the worst revamp ever. Other heroes becomes overpowered after revamp but not in case of phoveus. He no longer have sustain in late game where it matter the most. They just have to make his ult cd a bit low or no cd (like now) and everything was fine. Now we can't even say he is anti dash hero cause every hero that have blink can simply just dash out of his range . He no longer gets shield while using first skill and can't even use his ult on dash heroes like harith,moscov etc can just dodge his second skill and can kill phoveus . Now he is totally dependent on passive skill,2 skill and 2nd phase of his 1 skill.
Not to mention the ult animation is a lot slower and easy to dodge. I think if they make his ult range bigger and make his ult animation faster so that it cant miss, he would be almost perfect. He is already better than before in terms of 1 v 1 vs a non dash hero like terizla, yz or esme
New design look bad ngl but i kinda miss his old kit His old kit design to counter dash hero if they buff how fast his ult slam it would be better then to revamp the entire thing but you know what That that this this
As an phoveus main, this revamped is horrendous, and has no soul behind it, i get that it's supposed to make him "viable" but he can be so good in early-mid game until late game comes, he falls off so heavily, that whenever you used his ult, theres a good chance you'll die before you can damage the enemy, and in team fight he can be a liability if you his ult at the wrong time which is detrimental for you and your teammates. Not to mention, his sustain is basically non-existent, his shield barely helps him, his ult sustain gets reduced to 80% whenever you hit multiple enemies, and you're still vulnerable to CC when you're ulting. Overall, this revamp is terrible, not only he lost his unique purpose, it's also noticeable how weaker he is compare to his pre-revamp version, but in the right hand, he can be a good hero, but that can only go so far before the enemies catch up to revamp phoveus
Yes, i hope they give him invulnerability during flight and maybe things would be a bit ok. I like this phov because of the no cooldown ultimate but dying mid air im not a fan of that. 😂
His uniqueness is literally what made him unusable in the first place, and now that he can compete even against heroes without dashes as well as being better against heroes with dashes, you complain? Massive skill issue.
Can someone tell me why people think this revamp is a nerf? War axe queens wing and war cry talent all amplify the 10% health damage he deals on ult. War axe 10% true damage war cry and queens wing give you 20% more damage. Build him like tank and deals damage like a true tank. How is he much weaker bro. How tell me
I wouldn’t say he’s exactly “much weaker”, just weaker. I did mention in the video that he is designed to counter dash heroes and that is my major concern (aside from the long wind up of his skills). I understand he can have really good sustain but in terms of sustain he is more or less like Thamuz or Yu Zhong which I think we have too much of cause there are other sustain heroes that are kind of forgotten rn (like Uranus and Silvanna). The fact he is more of a sustain hero instead of an anti dash hero is one of the reasons that people have been complaining about his revamp (which I personally agree with). Also as I’ve previously mentioned, we don’t have enough high level and pro level data to confirm our opinions so any of us could be wrong (including me). Anyway let’s chill alright? Don’t wanna start any arguments with you man
@@dotBlizard but overall he is just super strong. I play as an mythic immortal he just can't be Countered over the years i played alot of heroes and you are right he will be just like other sustain fighters but he is super strong. He can deal with everyone and doesn't have a bad match up anymore. Pro have rule that new and revamped heroes can't be used immediately. And because his play style changes drastically. Like every knowledge of this hero from before the revamp is pretty useless. But overall he is much stronger and also when two phov face against each other before the revamped you two will just spam ult like lol. My build for him is war axe, any boots queens wing, oracle and last two will be dependent on enemy team. And use the fighter talent, with defense at first tier festival of blood on second and the most broken talen war cry. For spell i used mostly vengeance so that i could still fight even if the enemy roam or exp set me or flicker so that you could escape or to just easily access your ultimate
old phov was actual dookie, for a hero that's supposed to counter dash based heroes, most of them can completely outplay him because of how slow his ult was
I played as Bene and you could just dash his ult you can check pro players doing same thing. Timing is important just like wan wan could dash away with high enough AS. But why they changed him, idk seems bad choice to me, maybe they thought he might be too op with buffs. he does lose his purpose. I always said to just revamp his 2nd make ult faster and add slightly longer delay between ult uses to make it better both to use his other skills and balance faster ult.
@@zartokzartok9806 the same dashing can be done with ruby, essentially making her take 0 dmg. Not to mention terizla just out sustains him. Paq and dyr can and will burst him. He can fight after lvl 4? If only those 2 let him. Gatot and thamuz make him useless and Edith can just push him around. BUT, all of them have a better team fight than phoves
I agree that his playstyle is slow and i think reducing the cooldown of his passive and skill 1 would fix most of that issue his old passive is too much, the trade off was that we would get a nerfed passive but a stronger skill 1 and ult, we cannot have both at the same time his first skill already has a slow effect similar to franco, all they need to do is increase his base movement speed, we do not need a speed-up
oh ig it was cause I had very little regard for what the enemy was picking while getting footage for this video to test in as many different scenarios as I could
At last someone make a reason why new phoveuse is weak i play phoveuse a lot on rank and Classic and the true is the dev actually neft him not revamp. The only usedfull skill of the new phoveuse is the skill 2 the other skill trash and make him Magic damage again
Tf? Nerfed? What are you talking about nerf? No cd ult? % hp shield, damage and heal? How is that weak? In mye latest game o manage go 80% wr solo with 60 matches.
He has no advantage to chase enemy he also didn’t have the advantage to escape, his ult has no cc immunity nor immune to any damage and its to slow to activate, nowdays all hero has a dash his second skill are easily avoidable if he miss it, he is done his second skill barely usefull and his cooldown is to sloww
I think new Phoveus is better just because he isn't reliant on enemy composition to be useful now. But yeah it is frustrating to use your ult less often. My advice when playing Phoveus is use Revitalize on him to increase his healing and shield from passive and ult. Also, use Temporal Reign because trust me, your gonna need to place those marks as much as possible.
That’s interesting, though I can’t help but wonder if that’s because he just got revamped or if he’s a genuine threat. It might be like with the Chip release where he got banned just because he was new (only becoming absolutely ban worthy after a buff post launch)
Happen if you removed a hero uniqueness like the old who can put a eye who ever Blick plus it helping that then ult range is short plus I think everyone phoveuse user would agree that hes a Magic damage type in Short the new phoveuse is bad it not sustainable it has low damage and it completely useless now bring back magica damaged phoveuse bring back the stack skill one 1 and shield and speed boss
Tf? Do you play moba? Im pretty sure that in he's current state is too broken. When you get level 4 there is just nothing any fighter can do against you. He has % health damage. Equip the most broken combo of item war axe queens wing and talent war cry you can carry games.
I’ll say this here and now, this video is very flawed and definitely should have been released after some more testing could be done. I will admit phoveus is stronger now, but my perspective towards his purpose still remain true. I’m taking this video as a lesson to further improve how I make commentary style videos, especially with the new patch coming very very soon. This won’t be the last of the ‘state of x’ series, but it’ll definitely be done wayyy more objectively and accurately.
Anyway I’m done yapping, blizard signing out
I think he is stronger in damage.. but not sustain.. one of the thing that i love about phoveus is the fun of screaming "you dash now, dashhh!!" But now no more... I cant make phoveus sustain in late game.. i guess the best word i can say is, phoveus is no longer unique.. just another fighter..
Ya I feel you man
i mean i paired up with a friend and he took 400k dmg in a 30 minutes match. while he's easier to use, i think he needs an ability for him to kite the enemies. also he needs to be in the right moment to go into a war. he's now weaker in laning but he's a bit stronger during wars
I feel like phov before had more damage no?
Damn straight
i have to ban phoveus
because in right hand he is literally too op
They changed his lore, his kit and appearance so Phoveus is literally deleted and replaced by a dude also named Phoveus.
they should release a new character named not phoveus and it has all the old phoveus skills but better scaling and stats (pre crucifixion nerf).
just like old clint's limited bullet mechanic turned into granger.
Ig you could say Phoveus is just a title now, not a person
Dude went from hard counter dashing heros to getting cooked against dashing heros
Opinions differ from player to player. Most players voices out that he lost his purpose, which is to counter dash heroes, although the thought is still there but it's lacking. Second, some say that his sustain is much weaker, which I might agree to some extent, since they made his ult vulnerable to damage. His pros is that he proactively set his marks without having to rely on enemy dashes, it's like "you're in your own" type of hero right now. His kit is decent, yet still lacking.
Old phoveus: oh ho? U r dashing to run away from me? U cannot escape
New phoveus: u dashing to run away from me? I cannot do anything
"so you dashed?. Well sir, that was a terrible mistake and am going right to your location to insure you that you was wrong "
First off, really good video! This is reminicent to video essays of this genre like Exil and Vars! I do also want to make videos similar in nature.
Back to the main topic, what sets Phoveus revamp to be really different was how they sacrificed his identity so he's more accessible.
Think of it this way, imagine Lolita suddenly gets knockups and healings in her kit, in exchange for her 2nd skill gimmick to be different, but functions similarly.
Revamps are supposed to retain the identity of a hero, while fixing the problems a hero had. This revamp did not fix any of that.
Which boggles me, because his ultimate worked fine as it is. It punishes dashes directly, and you get rewarded for your kit. This revamp removes that direct punishment, and made it more niche.
TLDR: This revamp killed his identity in exchange for accessibility.
Ayyy thanks for the support! I appreciate it a lot man! Tbh you should make videos like these too, it’s a pretty niche mlbb subtopic for now.
Anyway, I see what you mean. Lolita probably was one of the best revamps because it fixed her problem of having dead air when skills are in cooldown, but they still kept the slow, defensive style of Lolita’s original kit. It was like the best of both worlds. Back to Phoveus, I do think he’s actually getting there. Moonton just had a few hiccups and accidentally removed his entire gimmick… I just hope they hear the players voices and change Phoveus accordingly.
the only problem with old phoveous was,
he is only pretty effective if enemy has alot of dashes or your team has alot of pull skills, old phoveous had alot of damage like i could 2 shot marksmen and the sustain he had was insane because of his ult
the only thing i wanted to change about phoveous is to make him also able to trigger the mark by himself, and that was it.
now they removed his old passive, the shield from his ult, and practically lower damage. in exchange for what, for being able to trigger marks by yourself. sacrificed damage, sustain and uniqueness
I kinda like how old phoveus worked back then. When enemy gusion tried to escape using his ulti I literally teleported on top of him to finish him off ahh the good ol days
I keep getting kited by dashing heroes when it wasnt a problem before. As much as I like how proactive he becomes I think he needs a bit more enhancement. I also agree to bring back his old passive that’s definitely the reason I liked this hero.
personally i believe the main problem with the old phoveus was an ult cd which was probably the biggest burden on him and how he is limited to only countering dash heroes. I'm glad that they changed that but like he no longer hardcounters fast characters which is his whole purpose
I had realy great games in one day before rewamp, he really neaded skill to fight agans non-dashing heros, it was like... Tactical task, and if you do right, you will win, i got trieple kill, you neaded to use that one second of being in air to analyse situations and dwcide what to do, while new phoveua is rather a A chaotic attack of convulsions in team fights
Let’s keep this comment section civilized alright? I know this video can be a bit controversial considering sufficient high and pro level data hasn’t even been collected yet
Why do the devs only care about the pro scene reviews while the rest have to go the flow ?
To my knowledge it’s not that they don’t care about the rest, it’s just that it has the largest impact since it can show a hero’s maximum potential.
Finally someone gets it
He is useless now
I agree , before revamp i have 86% wr with 450+ match now after revamp goes to 65% 😅
One more change that bugged me the most when playing him is he no longer has CC immunity during ult. You can literally be pulled by Franco's hook or thrown by Jawhead throw while ulting. Its so frustrating and harder to get to the enemy backline
Well he used to be anti dasher hero and now he's the better version of Arlot. Noticed that when I accidentally pick Arlot
Weirdly enough despite having an arlott clip, I didn't realize that until after I uploaded the vid
New phoveus was meh after trying him out
Issues were
1. Only 2nd phase of 1st skill applies mark and with the lack of mobility enemies just escape before ya can land it
2. He is so slow
3. Vulnerable duting s3
4. No invincibility during s3
5. He don't have enough sustain whenever he jumps on a team fight
6. Can't kill a layla
7.AGAIN, HE CAN BARELY CHASE ANYONE!!
yeah, they should really make him invincible during he ults, like WanWan, he gets killed that easy
@@seulbilee1025 so true
@@seulbilee1025 either make it invincible or fking speed it up like damn
@@gosha5870 true, when he ults, it's slow enough to easily dodge, it's true, I can dodge his use easily
the 0.1 invincibility is a game changer for him when he ults, avoiding damage
Nice video. Genuinely enjoyed it 😇
YOOOO NO WAY ITS TREX
I’m a huge fan of the professional scene and have really enjoyed your casting! Can’t believe you (or a caster in general) got to watch one of my videos, I’m really glad you enjoyed it too!
My problems with Revamped Phoveus (despite not playing anymore but that doesn't stop me from criticizing):
1. Design: He got the "Necrokeep Treatment" (i.e getting rid of a once ugly and/or menacing character and slap a pretty marketable face on them). The design is starting to grow on me a bit but that doesn't stop the fact that they basically made him "hot". Not to mention his VA making him sound younger than he should have been.
2. Lore: I'm aware that majority of the people who play ML don't give two shits about lore but I do. Astaros being incased inside a tombstone and not being able to talk anymore is a HUGE downgrade. And the fact that Phoveus is in control. Astaros now instead of vise versa doesn't help at all.
3. Gameplay: Don't know what else to tell you. They removed the one niche he had that differentiated himself from the rest and made him boring. Why give him a niche to begin with if you're just gonna remove it? Surely there was a better way to rework him without his niche of being able to pounce on enemies who dash. That's the one saving grace that kept people playing him. Now? I feel like people are playing him just cause.
Anyways that's all. Too lazy to read? Here's a TL;DR:
1. Design: Sex Sells
2. Lore: From Sub to Dom
3. Gameplay: I can't chase you no more
Skipping to 3 because I don't care about his design and lore.
His niche was what made him unpopular in the first place. He was very reliant on enemy heroes having blink skills. Even so, when the old meta shifted to high mobility blinking heroes like Fanny, Nolan, and Harith, his usage rate didn't even reach 1%. Based on those stats, his own niche wasn't even effective against what he was supposed to counter. Now that we have a Phoveus that can be used regardless of whether the enemies can blink or not, as well as still being a very effective counter against blinking heroes, people are still dissatisfied because players have to use a bit of their brain to play him effectively? The ML playerbase can act so entitled sometimes.
Bruh he needs to be immune to damage while jumping animation. Thats the biggest drawback on using him rn. He is killed during his jump. Its so bad he goes in and dead
In my opinion they need to give cc immunity again while in his ult or tke no damage at all the will be better off .
I've playing Phoveus for a while now and yeah I can pretty much agree with you. Activating sinners mark is really a hassle unless there's a team fight. His performance overall isn't that bad, but then again, he is just very easy to be picked on, especially heroes like Freya. The devs should really give his skills some buffs and maybe return his anti-dash mechanic.
I Been playing him in Mythical Glory rank and I feel like he's fine, just need a little Buff on his damage. I really like his new passive which can stop every heroes skill casting mid way and he can push down ling off the wall easily. I hope we can see phov's creative gameplay on pro scene.
I will admit the passive knockback is really useful for so many scenarios and same too, I'd like to see phoveus in the pro scene
great at cancelling Odette's ult
Wait does it actually cancel odette ult? I haven’t gotten to test
THIS!
poveus used to be my pocket pick, even as far as a secret weapon, especially in online tournament
he's so strong with the new glowing wand revamp (pre-emo pove). Even with no dash heroes, you can inflict consistent damage and sustain longer, with glowing + tank item
if my roamer pick tigreal, it's almost gg, we can wreck the enemy formation with only 2 of us
and his ult used to be more "semi-invicible", nowadays, you can hit him easily during the ult. The differences is huge. Especially in the late game, any marksman will tear you in a second.
with the old poveus, you can bully late game moskov
This is actually really useful information, unfortunately I didn’t get to test Phoveus with the new items right before his revamp cause admittedly I forgot his revamp was coming out (big mistake on my part)
@@dotBlizard yeah, glowing wand really do complete poveus as a whole. Increasing his shield (magic power), increasing his damage (constant burn), give him a little bit of HP, and then life drain.
if your team won at early game, you can build ice queen wand on mid game to further bully anyone with annoying slow + burn effect
yeah, old poveus is better, 100%
tried a lot of build with the new pove, and all of them fell off really hard on late game.
Thanks for sharing this info! Learned quite a bit from this.
Just need to put "invincible" when he jumps, that's all from my experience.
You say that he lost his purpose, but he already did when Minsithar got revamped. Why pick Phoveous, a slow hero where if the opponent is wanwan, you might not even have an ult late game since she jumps so fast. When you can pick a good setter tank in Khufra, or an all rounder in Minsithar.
You know that’s actually a good point I didn’t think of that, I’ll give you props for that. But with that point I’d say he has lost his purpose even more, no hate to you man I promise I really like this point you’ve made
when playing revamp phoveus, you always need to politely ask your enemies to stay still so your skills will hit
Thinking Phov needs buffs is a skill issue, I'm sorry
I know people don't like his revamp much, people don't see how bs he is when played right. Right being the bs full tank build we use and revitalize, making him essentially a raid boss to deal with. People wonder about his sustain but still pick up offensive items instead of defensive which doesn't work on him because he's very sluggish, hence his main power abusively being tanky and slamming you with HP% damage until your team comes and finishes off the depressed enemies who fought you for like 2 minutes.
It's just the lowranks who think they're the main character and wants to kill everything they see thinks that phoveus is bad. Phoveus on his own is not as threatening or menacing when using dash heroes compared to back then but now he is fundamentally broken cause he literally can zone like a thamuz or terizla on neutral objectives while also having a good chasing ability and percentage based damage skills meaning he really doesn't need damage items other than war axe and queen's wings to deal alot of damage while being super tanky at the same time
He is stronger back then his burst damage is super strong, i think his damage rn is alot weaker but he became more flexible. But ngl i like the old phoveus more.
Same I’m a prerevamp Phoveus enjoyer
@@HalfgojoLoltf? How mf? He has burst now and you can actually build tank without affecting his damage much. Cause he deals %hp damage now. How is he weaker? Or you're just using the magic items lol. When you build war axe and queens wing that is the only item he needed to do damage the broken duo. And you can just build him tank
@@dotBlizard prerevamp phov is not good just being true. He can't counter wanwan like bro.
Ive had like 100plus match on the old phov, considering how unpopular he is, i like the passive before with the concept of all seeing eye… it definitely gives him a unique encounter with enemies… i just wish they gave him a target on his ult. Hes sheild gain on skill 1 is really great that trades early game specially when they buff it on the last patch. I totally agree his dispalcement is kinda meh, the range of skill 2 is really amazing in team fightd now he plays more upclose… i agree he could be better but he definitely lost his flavor.
What he is not? He is better way better. He can use the broken fighter combo war axe and queens wing.
I like his revamp 2nd skill , thats it ..
I like it because you can spam it more (bit easy to use upclose) but his skill 2 before if they lowered its cooldown like this one, is way better specially max level - the circle is huge lol now its kinda hard to chase someone, defintly huge playstyle change but still works.
I main the old phoveus and I like the way he counters almost heroes that heavily use dashes. He counters way better than minsitthar because of his kit truly depends against dashing heroes. It's just so sad that it's all gone now and yet he's just another fighter that depends on marks to make himself work like arlott.
Oh boi. Why are people complaining he is weak? Im sure that if the old and new phov match against each other he can win all. He is such a strong fighter. Can easily deal with any exp laner. Its funny cause every hero like harith and wan wan can just dodge his ult by dashing lol.
@@davenjoshbaquing6097
It's because revamped phoveus ult purposely nerfed itself whenever you hit multiple enemies, mind you 80% reduction heal and not only that you're also still vulnerable to CC, if you use his ultimate when theres multiple enemies, theres a good chance they can just stun you and kill you off
Other than that, his sustain is noticeably weaker than old phoveus, his shield is so pathetically less than what it used be than old phoveus, he's also very squishy, so it's recommended to use full tank item if you want to survive until late game.
Furthermore, he falls off heavily in late game, there's not much you can do if you get stunned since most enemies has gotten their core item.
Overall, if we put up old phoveus vs revamped phoveus, its obvious that old phoveus would've win at any time given how pathetic revamped phoveus sustain is and how squishy revamped phoveus is
I play classic, he is usually in the enemies. He does pack a punch in early-mid game and good in team fight. However, after I purchase sea halberd, he can be countered too.
@@renetteryaniicurioso109 how do you counter if he deal large portion of his damage in %hp. I 1v1 alpha with sea halberd and i don't even have a anti heal item and still one with half of my hp like sure bro
They removed his old passive to constantly harass dashing heroes but they makes Minsitar's ult to counter even the hero's unique traits like on Ruby and Wanwan? Is that completely biast?
honestly, he is good, but they should adjust his ult, like making him invincible when he spam ult, he gets killed easily even if he ult, he can't handle 2 or 3 enemies with that terrible ult
A really good suggestion, although I’d probably say he is on the verge of getting good. Like the foundation is there it’s just lacking some things to be good, you get what I mean?
Gusion: Finally, a worthy Oh nvm, now he is just like any close-ranged fighter
Oh Moonton. 1 step forward 10 steps backward.
Moonton revamping heroes never goes well
Thw only problem i have with this revamp is that they killed his voice lines previous ones were much better now the voice lines are kinda generic and more edgy other than that his gameplay is much better
I love it when astaros say something to phoveus in latin, it really makes phoveus much more unique than any other characters in mlbb, especially when astaros talk, damn, it really does feel like you're phoveus
Overall,he is now stronger against heroes with no dashes but a little weaker against heroes with dashes compared to the old one
He lost a lot of what made him unique but in exchange he's now really annoying because he gets unlimited pokes once he gets to level 4. Brave smite plus spell vamp plus the sustain from his ult gives him ridiculous trade patterns, so I wouldn't say he's "weaker", more like his power shifted somewhere else. tho I do think he's pretty slow, his 2nd+flicker combo has almost as much value as an edith 1st+flicker giving him an actual, unconditional engage tool compared to his old version that isn't easy to dodge. I really agree with the changes you suggested, he really doesn't have any safe disengage except maybe his first skill. Really interested in how he'll do in the pro scene, if he even shows up at all.
I really like this perspective on his revamp and I agree with what you think. Maybe, just maybe I’m stuck in the past in terms of Phoveus’ place in the game. I really enjoyed playing his prerevamp after all
@@dotBlizard As someone that's been playing for a long time, from what I remember it felt like phoveus was made as more of a response to the current meta at the time which was dominated by blink heroes like harith, ling, and lancelot so having a hero that had the potential to hard counter them was pretty fun.
However, because of the tank meta, he turned into an even more conditional pick than he already was, and considering the meta in the exp lane, he kind of fell off because his kit didn't really give anything to the team like the set potential of a terizla ult or arlott ult nor did it give consistent damage and sustain like xborg or yu zhong
Yep he was designed to counter dashes because it was relevant for the time and mobility was just too safe regardless. Tank meta did make him pretty mid but he did find a lot of use cases as a counter to backline heroes through dashes or displacement (which coincidentally aligned with his kit). Now with the revamp, they did try to make him more consistent and I really believe they’re in the right direction, just dabble a little bit of those anti dash mechanics from his prerevamp state and we might have another amazingly designed hero (no hate to the other heroes).
They nerfed his design
They could've just changed his 2nd skill (The new 2nd skill is good) but other that, he's a total mess rn
I miss my real Phoveus 😭😭😭
He's a very situational hero before and has very unique but has a huge limit because of esmeralda counter and non dash heroes. Now hes not on that limit anymore, he's just a common fighter with gimiks and thats it. he more of a damage dealer now.
For me biggest down is that his passive basic attck triggers on minion
Old phoveus was fully dependent to your skill unless enemy have 2 or more realy realy dashy heros, every fight felt like tactical task that was realy cool to do right, i remember geting 2 trieple kills in 2 matches in a row, that was 1day before rewamp, enemy team didnt haved dashers, and fighting agans them was great, new phoveus realy dont fell like you are using brain
The new one i useless the one before is a nightmare to any dash heros or assassin
Im phoveus main and idk what to say anymore after the revamp, just terrible
his overall design is also worse, they made him another "Handsome Brute E-Boy"
I so agree! Why making all new heros handsome males! I am imagining a thamuz rewamp where he is a young handsome demon lol!
This has to be by far the worst revamp moontoon did to a hero, they killed anything special about him and worst of it all they nerfed his ass to the ground, before he was picked only in specific cases but at least he had some viability now there is absolutely no reason to pick him
Tf? If you play terizla he is just a terizla but 10x better. Has a % health damage and no cd ult. I prefer this phov than the old one. Old one can't even Counter wan wan like bruh.
True, it will take a while to get use of his new passive. Wished they didn't remove the mark that Phoveus gives everytime his opponents use a blink skill.
womp womp
@@davenjoshbaquing6097
"He is just terizla but 10x better"
Every time I see one of your replies, It makes me wanna claw out my brains because of how insufferably idiotic you are, better than terizla? Are you a child, wait you might be a child considering most of your replies have broken grammar and arguments that don't have any weight to it.
And really? Revamped phoveus is better than terizla, please bud, I have fought with terizla before, and revamped phoveus doesn't even come close to terizla if the user knows what he's doing, so please, respectfully stop being a child
@@YakouHikoichi I agree with your statement, not so much your complete meltdown malding over it.
Please think clearly and re-assess what you’re mad at. If you had a bad day, then you gotta allow yourself to have a good one.
I agree though, phoveus now is still meh. It’s unique but it’s not…phoveus.
Nah, new phoveus is a headache in team fights. His displacement in second skill disturbs every heroes except lolita, which makes him a powerful opponent. And, the new phoveus doesn't rely on full defense or magic items. So, he can be durable and powerhouse at the same time when using semitank build.. yes, i don't think he's too op. Because, we can Dodge his skills just by running out of him. If they reduced his CD, what stops him? So, don't complain if you lost a few battles.. he's better than he was before.. 😅
Stronger? yes.
Fun? ABSOLUTELY NOT
HE LOST HIS PURPOSE WHICH IS TO COUNTER DASH HEROES, HE HAD BETTER PASSIVE WHICH REVEALS ENEMY IF THEY DASH IN A BUSH, HE WAS FASTER, HAD MORE UTILITY AGAINST DASH HERO.
But alas, he's turned into a generic brawler that doesn't offer anything new, he literally just dunks on your empty head like fucking lebron james.
They just made his a worse Arlott
Basically he traded his unique skill kit into a watered down weak skill kit.
His "unique" skill kit was what made him unplayable in the first place. Now that it's more versatile, people start to complain? You people just want strong, braindead heroes to easily rise ranks.
@@MalciferMephisto Braindead heroes? His original set of skills was braindead to you? Ok, I respect your opinion.
@@friednoodle6582
Old Phoveus: Spam ult on a dashing enemy. Use second skill and Flameshot to force blinks. Hope the enemy dies before my ult ends or else I have to wait 30 seconds before I get to use it again.
New Phoveus: I need to engage with my enhanced basic attack and follow up with my 1st skill to prep for my next mark placement before I use my Ultimate. After using my ultimate I can displace the enemy with my 2nd skill to charge my passive and place a mark so I can use my ultimate again. By that point, I can use the 2nd phase of my 1st skill to apply another mark so I can use my ultimate again. If the enemy escapes or survives, there's no need to panic. Since my ultimate has no cooldown, I can start harassing him if he decides to prolong the fight. I just need to be careful about my placement and timing.
Phoveus main here- Hes better once you reach level 8 he demolishes dash heroes because of how fast dashes reset yout passive.
His passive literally stops heroes mid dash so he hard counters them even with this new revamp.
The thing i miss is the shield from ultimate and he doesnt deal magic damage anymore
:((
@@H20ZTS
He does deal magic dmg, although it weirdly scales with physical dmg, so don't worry, you'll still deal poor magic dmg to the enemies
Hmmm, yes, he is good in early-mid game, I won't lie, he has a good impact on the match if you know how to play him properly, because I have played him for 50+ matches, and early - mid game is where he truly shines,
BUT, he falls off heavily in the late game, I'm speaking this from experience, because phoveus doesn't deal a ton dmg in the late game, alongside with his terrible sustain, I suggest you to play with extra caution when it comes to late game, since MM, mages, and junglers could burst you down easily
Ya I’ve noticed that as well, he has this oddly timed power spike in midgame. I wouldn’t exactly say he hard counters dashes, but the passive does stop them in their tracks for a short period, maybe enough to take them down if you can coordinate with your team or you play well enough.
I’ve played both versions of Phov and I gotta say the magic damage and shield will really be missed :((
Yes but still hes buffed and a lot stronger now with zero cd ult. New Joy is the one true nerf. She has lost all her immunity lol just like that
I can’t deny in comparison Joy had it really really bad
Yes I totally agree
MBL has spoiled phoveus and faramis for me
From my experience old phoveus was slow but gank proof with it's abilities. It took me several practice to truly understand it's potential and purpose which later I really enjoyed it. You need patience to play this hero. Its only weakness was being stunned. I even loved the voice over and it's mythic story behind it. Sadly it was all gone with the revamp.
I think they should work on other heroes who truly need revamp.
Reminder to those who think phoves is "good".
You CAN dash out of his ult with ruby and bene.
Terizla, gato and thamuz will out sustain him. Khaleed will out rotate him. Paq and dyr will bully him pre lvl 4 so bad that he won't be able to do much after lvl 4. Masha and Argus just make him look pathetic late game. And yes, let's not forget the monster Edith and Arlott can just use s2 to dodge phove's s2.
Yes, he does outsustain yz , but only in late game, where even cici does that.
But guess what? Yz has better teamfight. Infact everyone here has a better impact in a teamfight. Probably not thamuz.
And finally, if u immobalize him he can't use ult.
Minsi completely shuts him down, cause he can't ult. He does beat Freya, but that he could do even before.
His dependency on his team has increased even more, thanks to this revamp. If he just gets zoned once or uses his s2 thats it. He'll die to the gank. He goes into teamfights jist to get shutdown mid air
current Assassin meta old phov wouldve been so op
I dont like the revamped phoveus sure he gives dopamine rush BUT CHOU dashing around is unli dopamine rush
He can't counter Bene and Harith anymore making him useless against them 😑
@@ayamayer3278 how he can't counter bene and harith? Once i hit them with passive or skill 2 they are done. I just ult them 5 times like lol
@@davenjoshbaquing6097
Dude, you're an idiot if you think like this lmao
A pro Benedetta user can just use her dashes to dodge your attack, and dont forget that benedetta has alot of cc immunity, so you're practically playing with yourself if you actually went up against an actual pro Bene user
Besides, harith can also buy glowing wand, genius wand, and feather to counter revamped phoveus, he's not that hard to counter, just buy anti heal, and dmg base health, then revamped phoveus is just another fighter
phoveus ako pag nagcclasic sa madaling araw dati, dami kasing assasin tuwing gabi hahaha minsan 4 pa dashers
i think giving back his old passive may lead to the removal of no cd on ultimate just to balance him
Yep I could see that happening, that’s why I mentioned it might be too much. Don’t want to make heroes overpowered, that just ruins the game balance even more
Even the pro's, did not use him anymore.Tell us the revamp is flop. 😅
Stfu. He is new and the playstyle drastically change. And there is a rule for new and revamped hero can't use them immediately. In his current state he is the strongest fighter right after julian. He was only good against hero who dash frequently which is easily countered. Insanw damage with a ult that deal 10% max hp with no cooldown?
True, his old mechanics made him unique. Now, he is easily targeted. Even if his skills do big damage and became physical damage, against good opponents, he is a punching bag
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Finally, someone that use their brain, revamped phoveus doesn't deal alot of dmg since he's now a physical dmg fighter than magic dmg fighter, and nowadays physical dmg can easily be countered by antique currass, dominance ice, twilight armor and thunderbelt
Against an opponent that knows revamped phoveus weakness, he really is a punching bag
becuz he's a soloQ hero, not even compatible to pro play, nub
guys please, let’s chill. I understand we all have our own opinions. let’s respect each others opinions even if we don’t agree with it.
I'm having a field day with spell vamp+tanky phoevous doing 1v3 against the enemy and somehow not dying lol
I was so sad when he got the revamped I loved him a lot before it too
What the heck? In his old state he can't counter wan wan bro and alot of other exp laners. Now you just counter everything.
As a phoveus main, all they had to do is to make some changes like faster skills, and no cd ult, now i main argus because the revamped phoveus sucks, he cant burst enemies like he use too when you build full burst build magic, and most of all, he lost all the uniqueness that i like from him, its like they striped his identity from him
I miss the old phovious where i can chase ling more than 4 timws 😂😂😂
Lmao right now he is still one of the stronger exp laner, like you can literally bully even yz on lane. If your suggestions to him gets added then thats just unbalanced.
They massacred my boy
Just use tank emblem. Works like a charm.
his damage is ok, but not strong, but he is a bit tanky, so I build him tank with tank emblem , it is effective
or one easy fix just give him instant passive for every enemy dash
By far phoveus revamp is the worst, he just lacks so much in his skill kit he can easily get outplayed by long range mm and mages and his sustain is non existent 😢
Dunno but me and my 70% wr in solo rg on revamped Phoveus begs to differ.
Actually I’m glad that you have a 70% wr, it shows that maybe we are all looking at this Phoveus revamp the wrong way.
@@dotBlizardYou're still right that Phoveus lost his initial purpose, he's maybe stronger in general now since he's more flexible of a pick, but he did lose his fun playstyle against dash enemies.
This new Phoveus is pretty good, but old Phoveus will still be missed.
Yes this people don't know what are they talking about. Phov essentially became a new hero. He is very overpowered.
But 44 percent winrate in the data lol
bro they changed his first skill to not be able to sustain any enemy hero the WIP one was definitely much better
Used phovues after revamped ....
Basically if he played against layla you are cooked 😂
You cant reach layla or any mm
He became arlott's older brother
100% true Moonton fail him
This is the worst revamp ever. Other heroes becomes overpowered after revamp but not in case of phoveus. He no longer have sustain in late game where it matter the most. They just have to make his ult cd a bit low or no cd (like now) and everything was fine. Now we can't even say he is anti dash hero cause every hero that have blink can simply just dash out of his range . He no longer gets shield while using first skill and can't even use his ult on dash heroes like harith,moscov etc can just dodge his second skill and can kill phoveus . Now he is totally dependent on passive skill,2 skill and 2nd phase of his 1 skill.
Not to mention the ult animation is a lot slower and easy to dodge. I think if they make his ult range bigger and make his ult animation faster so that it cant miss, he would be almost perfect. He is already better than before in terms of 1 v 1 vs a non dash hero like terizla, yz or esme
New design look bad ngl but i kinda miss his old kit
His old kit design to counter dash hero if they buff how fast his ult slam it would be better then to revamp the entire thing but you know what
That that this this
As an phoveus main, this revamped is horrendous, and has no soul behind it, i get that it's supposed to make him "viable" but he can be so good in early-mid game until late game comes, he falls off so heavily, that whenever you used his ult, theres a good chance you'll die before you can damage the enemy, and in team fight he can be a liability if you his ult at the wrong time which is detrimental for you and your teammates.
Not to mention, his sustain is basically non-existent, his shield barely helps him, his ult sustain gets reduced to 80% whenever you hit multiple enemies, and you're still vulnerable to CC when you're ulting.
Overall, this revamp is terrible, not only he lost his unique purpose, it's also noticeable how weaker he is compare to his pre-revamp version, but in the right hand, he can be a good hero, but that can only go so far before the enemies catch up to revamp phoveus
Yes, i hope they give him invulnerability during flight and maybe things would be a bit ok. I like this phov because of the no cooldown ultimate but dying mid air im not a fan of that. 😂
His uniqueness is literally what made him unusable in the first place, and now that he can compete even against heroes without dashes as well as being better against heroes with dashes, you complain? Massive skill issue.
I still prefer the older one
I just use him to counter my main hero
Can someone tell me why people think this revamp is a nerf? War axe queens wing and war cry talent all amplify the 10% health damage he deals on ult. War axe 10% true damage war cry and queens wing give you 20% more damage. Build him like tank and deals damage like a true tank. How is he much weaker bro. How tell me
I wouldn’t say he’s exactly “much weaker”, just weaker. I did mention in the video that he is designed to counter dash heroes and that is my major concern (aside from the long wind up of his skills). I understand he can have really good sustain but in terms of sustain he is more or less like Thamuz or Yu Zhong which I think we have too much of cause there are other sustain heroes that are kind of forgotten rn (like Uranus and Silvanna). The fact he is more of a sustain hero instead of an anti dash hero is one of the reasons that people have been complaining about his revamp (which I personally agree with).
Also as I’ve previously mentioned, we don’t have enough high level and pro level data to confirm our opinions so any of us could be wrong (including me). Anyway let’s chill alright? Don’t wanna start any arguments with you man
@@dotBlizard but overall he is just super strong. I play as an mythic immortal he just can't be Countered over the years i played alot of heroes and you are right he will be just like other sustain fighters but he is super strong. He can deal with everyone and doesn't have a bad match up anymore. Pro have rule that new and revamped heroes can't be used immediately. And because his play style changes drastically. Like every knowledge of this hero from before the revamp is pretty useless. But overall he is much stronger and also when two phov face against each other before the revamped you two will just spam ult like lol. My build for him is war axe, any boots queens wing, oracle and last two will be dependent on enemy team. And use the fighter talent, with defense at first tier festival of blood on second and the most broken talen war cry. For spell i used mostly vengeance so that i could still fight even if the enemy roam or exp set me or flicker so that you could escape or to just easily access your ultimate
old phov was actual dookie, for a hero that's supposed to counter dash based heroes, most of them can completely outplay him because of how slow his ult was
As much as I enjoyed prerevamp Phoveus, I have to agree he did find it difficult at times to counter dash heroes because of the windup of his ult
if only they made a small change on his 1st skill, like gives a small pull to trigger his ult, instead of revamp
Me as a benedetta user not scared with him anymore 1v1. Why tf moontoon revamped his passive and ulti is so hard to combo
I played as Bene and you could just dash his ult you can check pro players doing same thing. Timing is important just like wan wan could dash away with high enough AS.
But why they changed him, idk seems bad choice to me, maybe they thought he might be too op with buffs. he does lose his purpose.
I always said to just revamp his 2nd make ult faster and add slightly longer delay between ult uses to make it better both to use his other skills and balance faster ult.
@@zartokzartok9806 the same dashing can be done with ruby, essentially making her take 0 dmg.
Not to mention terizla just out sustains him. Paq and dyr can and will burst him. He can fight after lvl 4? If only those 2 let him. Gatot and thamuz make him useless and Edith can just push him around.
BUT, all of them have a better team fight than phoves
New Phoveus is only good for brawl. 😅😂
I agree that his playstyle is slow and i think reducing the cooldown of his passive and skill 1 would fix most of that issue
his old passive is too much, the trade off was that we would get a nerfed passive but a stronger skill 1 and ult, we cannot have both at the same time
his first skill already has a slow effect similar to franco, all they need to do is increase his base movement speed, we do not need a speed-up
Hm interesting take on the state of his passive, increase in base movement speed as well. I didn’t think of that
I did try him and his ult feel like arlott 2nd skill... oh in that match was chou and wanwan... the coincidence..
There was a chou and wanwan???
@Blizard- I mean the enemy pick chou and wanwan... sorry I didn't saw the mistake I typed haha
oh ig it was cause I had very little regard for what the enemy was picking while getting footage for this video to test in as many different scenarios as I could
At last someone make a reason why new phoveuse is weak i play phoveuse a lot on rank and Classic and the true is the dev actually neft him not revamp. The only usedfull skill of the new phoveuse is the skill 2 the other skill trash and make him Magic damage again
Tf? Nerfed? What are you talking about nerf? No cd ult? % hp shield, damage and heal? How is that weak? In mye latest game o manage go 80% wr solo with 60 matches.
@@davenjoshbaquing6097 ohh Yeah what rank are you
Can u givd phoveus emblem nd tNk build
Bootleg Arlott
He one rhe most oga boga hero in the game
He has no advantage to chase enemy he also didn’t have the advantage to escape, his ult has no cc immunity nor immune to any damage and its to slow to activate, nowdays all hero has a dash his second skill are easily avoidable if he miss it, he is done his second skill barely usefull and his cooldown is to sloww
I think new Phoveus is better just because he isn't reliant on enemy composition to be useful now. But yeah it is frustrating to use your ult less often. My advice when playing Phoveus is use Revitalize on him to increase his healing and shield from passive and ult. Also, use Temporal Reign because trust me, your gonna need to place those marks as much as possible.
I play with 60 percent spellvamp phovius all game 😂😂
Why'd you leave out the fact that you literally can't 1v1 Phoveus without losing the game's tempo?? and that he gets invincibility everytime he jumps?
I would like to ask you first, how do you lose the tempo against him in a 1v1? Also I don’t think he has invincibility when he ults
range sucks. very hard to initiate
Phoveus used to struck fear into hearts of blink heroes. Now he gets completely countered by them WTF
Common mL
Fyi He is a banned hero in the list in immortal or higher
That’s interesting, though I can’t help but wonder if that’s because he just got revamped or if he’s a genuine threat. It might be like with the Chip release where he got banned just because he was new (only becoming absolutely ban worthy after a buff post launch)
Happen if you removed a hero uniqueness like the old who can put a eye who ever Blick plus it helping that then ult range is short plus I think everyone phoveuse user would agree that hes a Magic damage type in Short the new phoveuse is bad it not sustainable it has low damage and it completely useless now bring back magica damaged phoveuse bring back the stack skill one 1 and shield and speed boss
Tf? Do you play moba? Im pretty sure that in he's current state is too broken. When you get level 4 there is just nothing any fighter can do against you. He has % health damage. Equip the most broken combo of item war axe queens wing and talent war cry you can carry games.
His "uniqueness" is what made him unplayable in the first place
@@MalciferMephisto ohh yeah