FIRST LOOK at the LEICA M10-R
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- Опубліковано 26 сер 2024
- Leica just announced the brand new Leica M10-R, an update to the M10 with a new 40MP sensor. I was fortunate enough to have a couple of weeks with the camera last month to try it out and share my thoughts.
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I won’t complain about the M10 going down in value on the used market! Thanks, M10-R!
That's a very good point!
Not much. Its still M10. M11 then we talking.
I pray for that, too
Will barely go down if at all unfortunately
M10 P same price
M10 Silver Same Price
M10 Black ,6425 USD right now on Amazon !!!
The best part was watching Matt trying to justify the M10-R towards the end! Do it man, you deserve it!
Hmm, I think this time, Matt is indeed sitting, not standing.
The way he was waxing lyrical about the M10-R, he would have been swaying were he standing. I can see why he's fallen in love with it. First time I've genuinly been tempted by a digital M.
Not unless I win the lottery. I almost bought a Minolta CL once. Probably as close as I’ll ever get to owning a Leica.
Funny that's exactly what did I back in the 80s...but eventually after spending about $10K and years shooting with digital DSLR and lenses, I eventually wanted to continue evolving, and picked up a used Leica Q, and then the Leica X-vario, both automatic with fixed lenses....but the important point is that both cameras produce the mythical ”Leica image’ which is amazing. So what I did, start small, and grow from there. Now since listening about the M10-R, hmmm, do I need to get that camera... I know I will upgrade eventually, and trade in my Q and Vario-x for something more advanced....
LOL
Do what I do... use fuji bodies with leica glass.
Higher tech bodies, film sims, available as slr xt style or rangefinder xpro.
Leica glass you keep.
Only a leica film body is worth keep. Even a non functioning one on a shelf.
Digital bodies are gorgeous future landfill imho. Its the fact that you need proprietary batteries for these things.
@@tchin2020 Keep the Leica Q, sell the Vario-X, and look for m240 used instead, i still use m240 till now, it..just..capable to shoot the way i want it.
TheVFXbyArt i would, but the crop sensor is a dealbreaker for adapted lenses
I have an M6 too, with the same lens, and I really debated hard over whether or not to move to the digital M for work as I love it for the same reasons you do. Like you say, it’s an expensive system no matter how you slice it, and in the end I moved from my 5D to a Nikon D850 and a bunch of studio stuff and lenses due to resolution issues. It’s a hard call though because if you’re a working pro then any camera is just a business expense, but ultimately I think the SL2 or a camera like the D850/Z7 with that resolution and AF is probably a more sensible option. Damn tempting though now that they’ve updated the sensor. I don’t think Leica are overpriced but I do think their market is a very specific value set.
Definitely a very niche system.
Learned about you and your channel while you were dealing with your health concerns. Im really happy to see you bounce back and thrive. Kudos to you and your family man.
Thank you so much. ❤️
ugh. wasn't even interested! Then I saw this video... now... I'm finding ways to earn $10,000
Great shots Matt!
My sentments exactly.
Tbh, I wasn't either until I shot with one. Haha.
Don't forget to budget for the 50 summilux
I can't afford any of this so I am considering selling a kidney.
Great idea, but I sold my kidney for the Monochrom already, thought to keep my second for the Noctilux...maybe I can sell my kids? Is anyone out there for a near-mint appendix probably?
@@heidecker it's technically possible to live with only 1 lung, just a quick reminder
@@joelek110699 Thanks for the hint, that will allow me the 16-35 for my SL2 :-D
Anything else to add to the kidney? 1 kidney may only get you 85% of the way
@@joelek110699 , you can live with half a brain 🤔
The M6 is also my everyday use camera, and I don't currently have any kind of digital camera other than my phone. I think all the time that if I were to get a digital camera, some options from Fuji would be appealing because they have something of the film camera charm to them, but I know that even though I could never afford it, the M10 would really be the perfect companion to the M6
I went with a Fuji for that reason as well, they also have a double exposure feature which I thought was really cool, just a lot of in camera features that you would otherwise have to edit in post
Genuinly some of the best images I've seen coming out of a digital M. Could be the lens, could be the camera, could be the person behind the viewfinder. Most likely a mix of the three!
Thank you!
I will say it again... The skin tones are AMAZING AND SPOT ON.
I’ve owned an SL and the first gen Monochrom. I highly recommend the 35mm Summilux. It’s worth every penny. The best street lens and camera combo I’ve ever used. Set it to f16, and it’s basically point and shoot.
Does the summilux vignette heavily? Im a bit concerned bc ill be using it for everything in weddings especially group photos
The Leica rangefinder system is so tempting, even as a photojournalist its still viable, i've shot some work that didnt need the photos imediatly on my M4-P and the work just flows so well and smoothly, especially when compared to the huge 1DX's i normally use, the people even react different when youre using such a small and silent camera like that, one day ill have the courage to trade my gear in for M's.
Lovely photos. Sold my M6 15 years ago. Bought a Q reduced when the Q2 came out. Really like it. I still have all my 80’s M lenses.
Matt: This channel is not going to be about gear much anymore
Also Matt: So I've been using the M10-R for a few weeks now
😂
The converted B&W images are stunning. Seems like it came out of the M10M. I don't think I will need the extra megapixel, but when you mentioned that M10 will discontinue it silver chrome version, I think I need to keep a look out for a used one. I own a M6, M9M and M10D. I think you should try out the M10D before heading out for the M10R.
Damn! Jealous of that kit you've built up! I do wanna try the M10D just for the sheer novelty of it.
There we go 🙌🏼
Those roast coffee pictures look amazing!
This a camera that nobody asked for. No one ever complained about the lack of detail coming from an M10. The 24MP M10 sensor can provide you with already sufficient detail for most applications. The larger file size is just going to be more taxing on whatever device you use to edit and store your photos. I wonder how well this camera is going to do when you can get a used M10 in the $4K-5K range.
On a side note, the 50 Summilux is an amazing lens. It's the best I have ever used. Spend your extra money on that and not a new M10-R.
Yeah well, sadly the megapixel race is still alive and well, and people want smaller and smaller pixels cramped into their 24x36 sensors. There IS a market for a high MP rangefinder, since they’re the only ones making digital rangefinders now
Great, also think about it. That you still can use all those m lenses and will work with this high megapixel camera.
The hardest part about shooting Leica for work is the need for 2-3 cameras. I was curious about that when you switched. I agree the m10r would be a great sl2 companion. Hope that happens for ya. I’ll get there some day, maybe...
Got an M10 about a year ago new for half price (a guy owned 4 of them and had never used it, just wanted to get rid of it) and it's my favorite camera ever. I'll probably get the next gen M, the M10R isn't quite enough of an upgrade for me to change, and those huge files will take too much space on my hard drives 😂
man, the luck !
During 25 years I was creating excuses to not get into the most desirable system, the M system, even if I tried a few years ago to buy a M7, unsuccessfully. This year I made that step with the M-E (typ 240). It's just the camera that gives me the most pleasure shooting. It´s a different league and the most challenging camera I´ve ever had, and for that same reason, the one that completely transformed the way of seeing the creative process and the act of photographing. After trying an M10, I still prefer the colors of the M240, but maybe in the future I'll add another M, maybe this one.
Aside note... keep the simplicity Matt, well done.
That's the thing. If you're going to be shooting a camera pretty much every single day whether for pleasure or work, it may as well be one that you enjoy using. Just make sure you can still afford food and rent/mortgage as well though.
thanks for sharing your thought bout this new camera and congrantz for the chance that you handed on before it sell man!
the summilux 50 is an absolutely amazing lens. worth every penny. The M10R looks beautiful! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Why didn’t they send the 50 APO instead- better resolution and APO chromatic
I’ve been lucky enough to be able to try out a film Leica and its hard to explain just how natural and good it felt to use so I can really see the appeal of a digital Leica
You now become the ambassador for Leica! Congrats.
Haha, I wish!
the colour is super nice! great images Matt!
Had the Q2 and the 85mb files were an absolute overkill. I Switched to the M10 and it‘s perfect. No need for the extra Resolution.
That's good food for thought! I would like to try a regular M10 myself before I make any purchase because if I really did need the extra resolution, I have my SL2.
RAM seems to be very expensive in Wetzlar.
Great vids and review. What camera are you using to shoot your videos and how are you coloring it? looks amazing!!
5:04 the family flicks! love it
Thanks for your clip.. must have been wonderful trying out the new M10R
You never shot a summilux 50? Awe man, leica was CRUEL sending you that AND asking you to return it!
I have no leica bodies, just a 50 summilux.
I have no fuji lenses, just a xt3
Yeah, what a pair!
I do all of my street with that pair.
Wouldn’t mind a 21mm with it since the camera is aps-c and makes the summilux an 80.
I had a voightlander nokton 50 before that.
Leica made the 3x price (now 4x!) worth it. Focus tab way faster focusing. Built in lens hood. Mechanical feel way better. Optically the ca is way more controlled than the nokton.
I shoot using the jpg ooc with the fuji sims. I archive the raw. So the summilux helped that equation because of its cleaner image wide open, look, and faster tab focusing.
Love your M6
NICE! Its the M10 Monocrome that tugs at my heart strings.... Great shots man!
Would love to see what you could make with that Monochrom sensor!
I would love to see the M10D in Matt's hands. It has this foo's initials in the name hahaha. That's the one I could see myself with if I ever went into Leica digitally. Interesting to see his thoughts.
Hahaha. I would love to try that one! Might see if I can make that happen.
holy shit, that 50.000 ISO picture is so clear!!!! ( for someone who used to shoot with a 400 or pushed 800 iso film)
Thanks for this, Matt. Unless you need 40 megapixels, the M10-P is near exactly this camera and can be had used for $6,500+. Take the “savings” for a down payment on a 50 summilux - interesting that lens has made you a 50-fan. Was it clarity or just starting to like the focal length?
I am definitely looking at prices on the used market, didn’t realize the prices are where they are. And it was really just the look from that 50, it’s in a league of its own. Would love to get one so I can use it on film with my M6 and adapt it to my SL2 for portrait sessions as well.
Matt Day Perfect - great plan. I’ve come back to the 50 myself so I’m pleased to have that choice confirmed by someone in a league far beyond me! Enjoy it all!
Love your Black and White pics!
Would love to hear about your editing process for converting to B&W. Those files are stunning.
I have an older video that goes over the process and it hasn't changed much, but I am planning on doing a video where I make some B&W edits in real time and kinda talk through the thought process.
@@mattdayphoto Awesome, would love to see that!
I have been rocking a m4 and m3 with my 50 cron v5 with usually fp4 or trix for about 6 years now. I don't think anything will every be as good for a 50mm or a 90 as the m3 finder that I have come to love. I don't think I could justify all that resolution in a m10r since I have been pretty happy with my film results but I would love to try the m10d or m10 monochrome. Getting color chemicals and getting somebody to develop c41 these days is tuff. It makes me miss my old m9.
Happy you had a blast, but I got off the Leica M bus some years ago.
Great family photos! Assuming you owned both an M6 and an M10-R, shooting both 'on the street' I think you'd notice the expense and inconvenience of shooting film immediately. A photographer with an M10-R can shoot 100 photos with no thought to the expense of development.
Great pictures. Definitely getting the most out of that sensor.
Holy resolution. Looks insane.
Oh my goodness those photos are jaw droppingly gorgeous. Partially the files, but your composition with your family is on point! Working my way to your level lol. Question: I’m typically a 35mm guy as well, but you talking about adding the 50 and these shots made me more interested as well. Did you find the 50 “limiting” at any time?
this is a camera i would certainly use as an alternative to my film cameras, when i have money in 10 years lol.
Your Leica M6 is such cutie !
Hi mate, come to the future, after the M11 has come out, (45mp !), and 10-R, esply 2nd hand, is a lot more ‘accessible’ …. // U do shoot some lovely pics, by the by … 👍👍
I too have the M6 plus an M2 and an M3. If you really think that the M6 is the jewel in crown of the classic Leicas then you ought to try the M2 and M3, they are just the epitome of rangefinder Valhalla.
Assuming you could get an M10P for $2000 less than a new R... what would you do? Are the pixels worth the difference? and is there truly an equal quality in lower light and natural light to the 24mp?
I set off to buy a Leica M3 and ended up buying a Pentax SL. I couldn’t be happier.
7:09 Excellent shot.
Matt you should also try out the original M10. The images are already very detailed and sharp, they look like they have more than 24 megapixels. Especially you can get an used M10 and 50 Lux for the price of a M10-R
Gonna try to get my hands on one to try out sometime!
Wait for the M11!!!!
Dream camera for me this one, nice first look, thanks. It's only £6.5k in GBP, bargain 🤔
Very honest review! And useful
However I also feel the passion for the M6 It’s like vinyl records. Sound is very and very good but with a touch analog!
And yeah even in Holland is a M10-r expensive 🤷🏻♂️
I have the 50mm summilux, black chrome edition. I love it. Best lens I have ever owned
and I have the voigtlander 50MM f1.5 Amazing too and only 700 euros! :-) but my 35mm is Summicron f2.0 Amaing too! :-)
Jealous!
Matt Day I’m jealous cause your on Leica’s call list to test out new stuff
Thats $12,700 for the M10 and that Summilux before tax lol. You can get an R5 and pretty much every high end RF lens for the same price and have a far better wedding setup. You can get a Sony a7R IV with half a dozen GM lenses and have a far better wedding setup. Hell, you can even go medium format and get a Fuji GFX 50R and a bunch of lenses or Hasselblad X1D II and several lenses for that price. No IBIS, no video, one card slot...Why on earth would you overpay for a Leica?
Shoot with one for awhile with a Summilux anything then work with the files and you might feel a little differently. I couldn’t give 2 craps about a Maserati, but I’ve never even sat in one. Maybe that’s a good thing. Sucks wanting something you’ll never have.
Very informative!!! Thank you 🙏
What in particular did you love about the combo of the M10-R and the 50mm Summilux? I'm thinking of getting the same combo and curious what made you react so strongly to it...it really seemed like the 50mm f/1.4 made an impact on you and I'm curious what specifically got such a strong reaction out of you!
I see all that film back there.... how is the archiving going?
Haha, new episode of Archives will be up on Monday!
Matt, you get perfect focus on the eyes with an M. What method do you use to do this (e.g. zone focusing, range finder, focus peaking on the LCD, sorcery)? How long did it take you to get good at that? This is why I use a Q2 (face detect autofocus) and have held off on an M.
The regular M10 or M10-p should be more than fine. 40Mp are only useful for very specific scenarios in which you have to zoom in, in post. You don’t strike me as a guy who does that.
I love your photos shots by Leica M6 or Pentax, Mamiya.
wait a couple months and get a used m10r will be a smarter choice. I got my m10 at full retail, and after 2 years of happy use, I’ve picked up a used m10p for 2500 cheaper than the m10 at retail. even a brand new one is about 1300 cheaper. that 2500 will get you the 50 lux. That’s the lesson I’ve learned from first time getting a leica brand new.
Hey, Matt! Long time fan and fellow Leica shooter here. Is your 35 Cron the KOB? I have a 35 Cron but its the V5, I'm thinking of going KOB simply based on what I've seen from your images. Keep up the great work!
It is! Really love it.
I thought that ISO 50000 at 7:59 was way better than my old Canon 5D MKii at ISO 6400 tbh. To me it's a usable image. Actually for that price, you could buy a fleet of Ricoh GRIII or take the family on holiday...
Would love to play with this! Great video
Why not the Q2 as an addition to the SL2? It would help with the documenting approach, it is also small and you could use it with one hand. Also you can share the batteries :)
We are absolutely considering that! Loved it when we had one on loan for review and I think Molly would prefer it as her personal camera since it has autofocus. I can’t convert her to the rangefinder life, I’ve tried for years now. Haha.
There’s less to go wrong with a film camera than an electronic one, especially a Leica M model. As long as you can keep getting film, it’ll keep working... and last.
Ultimately the reason why I won't be moving to a digital M any time soon (ignoring the monies involved for a moment).
The 2 cameras I have that got me close to a Leica are the Olympus XA for film and the Panasonic LX100.
I have the Olympus XA and the Leica MP! but the Leica it's a world of difference!!! You have to try!! Realy amazing!! if you look in the viewfinder of a Leica!
@@lemon58421 I know, but if I try one I will want one and I cannot afford it.
How long is the start up time is it as slow as the 240/262 and M10, meaning do you constantly loose shots while waiting for it turn on or wake up? Is it maddening after you shoot with an M6, because it’s never ready?
I'm a nikon shooter. I want this camera. It will be in my hands soon. and no, I'm not ditching my Nikon.
You’ll love the M10-D!
I zoned out staring at you M6 and missed all the stuff about the M10.
Hi Matt, how do you meter precisely with the center weighted meter on the digital M compared to matrix meter on Q/SL? I find it more hit and miss in challenging light. Best, Mads
Matt, was it difficult to hand hold, given the 40MP sensor? I am getting old and could no longer hand hold my film Leica at 1/15, like I used to.
These are genuinely some of the nicest images ive seen, the tonality of the bnw is mad and the lens paired with that sensor gives such clinical sharpness whilst somehow still having heaps of character. You get what you pay for i guess.
Thanks so much, man. And yeah, the quality is definitely there with the price.
Congrats, you're glowing like you're in love. Can't wait to see M10-R (and beyond) content from ya!
Way way out of my price range and the files would be too big for my current workflow. It’s beautiful though and the image quality is stunning! If it keeps going for another 10 years I might consider it 😂
I have the 50 lux Matt its awesome😁
Great overview
When are you going to make a video about rollei 35?
I actually won't be doing that video like I had planned. Doing less film camera reviews moving forward and just shooting the cameras I regularly use. I offered to return the camera to Mez, the person who donated it, but he suggested that I donate it to The Darkroom for one of their regular giveaways, so that's what I've done!
Matt Day Oh, I heard some pretty cool things about it. I was thinking about buying an M6 but now i don’t have enough money so i was looking for another rangefinder, thanks for the reply.
Love my M6 and M10Monochrom.
What software did you use for the BnW conversion of these shots?
So M10 R it’s a fusion of Monochrome (where you can get amazing b&w photos) and M10 P ? Or it’s just more megapixels?
I’d love to hear your opinion on the color/b&w differences between the M10R vs SL2. Do you feel that the M gives more of a punchier color then the SL2? Do you see any noise differences in the b&w files?
I didn't shoot anything side-by-side as I didn't have my SL2 at the time, but I haven't noticed any major differences between the two. The SL2 does have about 7 more megapixels than the M10-R though, if that makes a difference for you.
Matt Day Hey Matt, thanks for getting back with me!! For me, the megapixels isn’t really that important. In fact, I think I’d rather prefer 30 megapixels vs 40. It’s Leica’s statement that the M10-R has a better color rendition then previous models that’s got me intrigued.
The main reason I got an M6 is that I love shooting film. I can't see myself getting a digital camera, even though it is a fantastic Leica.
Same. M3 shooter here. If I every upgraded, it would be to get the MP. Convenience of digital is nice though.
What I want from a digital M is a collaboration with Kodak and film simulations of the most popular Kodak films.
Would love something like that.
Cool vid. Did they keep the same quiet shutter as the M10-P?
The SL2 is a great complement to the M. that’s the only camera that can shoot M glass properly (beside the M)
I've never used the M10-P so I can't say for sure, but it was definitely quieter than the M262 I had years ago.
Matt Day You was holding a camera and dont even know how the shutter sounds? M10P is very very quiet so its pretty easy hear tje difference even you hve nor had M10P
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how much will it cost?
Who makes the sensor
Matt:
I want the m10-R but I also want to eat, not now
What do you think about the size of the files for everyday document type photography (or even wedding photography)? Do you think the added resolution is worth it or even practical over just a normal m10?
I think a normal M10 would be totally sufficient for everyday work and even wedding work honestly, in regards to resolution.
@@mattdayphoto right, maybe I am not the market for this camera, but I think an M10 makes a lot more sense (in terms of what you get for your money). I am actually not completely sure who this camera is for, of course it's fun to have a lot of mega pixels, but besides that...
Really cool camera but I’m happy with my SL2
Do you plan on making a video about your Summicron 35mm V4? Also compared to the Nokton you owned?
Thanks
I'd be happy to! Did you happen to see Tuesday's video? It was all about shooting portraits with that lens.
Matt Day yep I watched it. Great video as always from you 👌🏻 From what I’ve seen the V4 is quite similar to the Nokton in almost all respects and in some cases is sharper at smaller apertures. However you know how it is with Leica gear, you want it because it’s Leica and has the prestige etc. I had a Summicron ASPH but sold it because i didn’t like how sharp and clinical it rendered. Was a little boring.
Mmmm... SL2 + M10-R combo by the end of the year....
*Few months later*
Matt: "So I sold my kidney and the studio and the car and the books and the film on the back that I haven't finished organizing yet but I finally bought the M10-R + 50mm f1.4... and I might have sold my soul to Leica too"
Hahaha, by any means necessary.
What are your thoughts on spending that much on a digital camera that at some point will drop to a tiny fraction of the value due to aging. That's what is so different to me about investing in analog cameras vs digital. Take good care of the M6 and you can always sell it for the same or more than you bought it from. But digital, it's always a loss. Of course I too still shoot and own digital cameras, but at this price point that is what comes to my mind.
It's definitely a lot to spend on something that we know is gonna lose value over time, BUT the digital Leica bodies do hold value far better than any other brands. The cost of film and processing, for me, is always something I keep in mind as well. Given the amount of rolls I've bought and processed from my M6 over the years, I could own at least two M10-Rs for that price alone. Haha.
@@mattdayphoto haha that's fair re: film cost!
I really don’t like shooting range finders. The Q2 is more my style but I don’t like 28mm 😜