They use water to cool the turbines alowing them to reach a higher rpm and hover so when the water runs out unless it’s super cold out then they can’t hover, they hold 500 lbs of water
You are correct. The Harrier is very unsafe and was known for killing pilots. After killing several pilots it became restricted to being flown by pilots with the most experience. It is very tricky to operate.
@@Jhunter2007Lie! A subsequent Board of Inquiry found that Watson had completed only 75% of his training before he had been sent to sea. The board blamed Watson's inexperience, and criticised his commanders for the radio problems with his plane. Watson was reprimanded for displaying substandard airmanship and reassigned to a desk job. He eventually returned to flight duties and accrued nearly 3,000 hours of flying time before resigning his commission in 1996. Sea Harrier ZA176 was converted to the FA2 variant in 1992 and retired from service 20 September 2003. The aircraft is now on display at Newark Air Museum in Nottinghamshire, England in its FA2 configuration.
And the reason they couldn't do it for a very long time is that to keep the engine overclocked for more than a few seconds without overheating they would blast water over it and it could only carry 500lbs which runs out in about 90 - 120 seconds, you can actually see the water vapour in the exhaust of the harrier during VTOL if you look closely irl
@@Joshua_N-A think the X32 was just really ugly so no one wanted it, cause the f35 still kept vtol and this wouldn’t be a harrier only problem since it’s just bad airflow and hot engines
Bro the harrier lifting off unlocked some childhood memories for me just now, used to play red alert 2 and all the allied aircraft were Harriers except for korea which had black eagles
Worked on them in the Corps. They can only hover for less than 1 minute because they run out of de-mineralized water. So this feature is technically impossible unless you can keep the engine cool enough.
Depends on temperature, air density, the weight of the aircraft, humidity of the air, strength of the engine, etc. which is why there are no concrete numbers online
The crazy thing is that the founder of the company that made those (Hawker) was Sir Thomas Sopwith (b.1888), one of the aviation pioneers that lived to 1989. So he was there to see a plane take off from the ground all the way to the harrier landing without a runway and seeing men land on the moon.
@@imcoolerthanu6349 Yak-141 is a new warthunder vehicle so he's assuming that the guy is a warthunder player which he probably is cause thats how i know the aircraft too😂
The Alraigo incident occurred on 6 June 1983, when a lost British Royal Navy Sea Harrier fighter aircraft landed on the deck of a Spanish container ship.
The plane that was in That famous Cargo ship landing still exists! It now resides as a museum exhibit in the Newark Air Museum in the UK. If youre passing through that area, take a look. You can even climb onbord a Vulcan bomber
The last great invention of Sydney Camm, after the Sabre engined Hawker Fury, fastest Piston engines aircraft to ever grace the skies, 542mph. RIP British Aeronautical Engineering, may you return someday.
2 fun facts: 1. The harrier was designed to be hidden across the country inside gardens etc if a nuclear attack was imminent. It could then be deployed almost immediately. 2. The harrier pilot actually landed on the ship perfectly however the plane fell of the crate whilst it was idle.
Btw, for those who don't know, the jet landed on a foreign ship, so therefore became that countries possession, because of that, the country wanted money for it to be returned, because of that, the pilot was put on a desk job and they did all sorts of bad things to him because they said he should've ejected and let the plane crash into the water. Eventually though they did pay the money to get the jet back but the pilots reputation was forever fucked from being demoted and stuff. Can't remember if he got reinstated or not but you can find many articles about it online
Yooo awesome 👍😎 clip man, this question always intrigued me but I never came around to do the research myself, thanks for doing this for us, yeah it would have been terrifying and cool if it had a really high cieling, but it is to be expected of a few small jets lifting this behemoth up into the sky.
Just an fyi. I work on the avionics on the Harrier in the Marine corps. The pilots do vertical take offs at least once a week. They do take off vertically. They usually do it on the run way from a helicopter pad
The thing is that the harrier went through several variations and if I remember correctly the last ones made had a more powerful engine so it may have been able to vtol higher, however it would also be down to overheating more than anything as the harrier was prone to it while in vtol mode
Small correction, the Harrier rarely *took off* vertically due to the weight constraints. In USMC service, the procedure for landing on their boat is always vertical.
Engine is only allowed to run so long during vertical takeoff or landing due to overheating the engine. If I'm not mistaken it also has mist to cool off the engines when flying vertically.
Correct. The airplane carries 100 gallons of water and by activating the water switch it is sprayed into the burner cans of the engine. Effectively lowering the temperature so it can be raised further for more thrust. The calculations to hover are done before even leaving the ready room. Temperature. Field elevation. Weight and density altitude are all take into consideration before attempting a VL (vertical landing) or VT (vertical take off). The normal operation when taking off on land or ship is a STO (short take off) by rotating the nozzles to around 40 degrees at a certain speed. On the ship it’s at the STO line in the deck. When landing, normal operation at the field is RVL. Or rolling vertical landing. Or a VL. Vertical landing. At the ship it’s always a VL. Hope this was informative. Semper Fi.
@@CR-vt7xw yes sir love aviation. Love learning. I got to work at the 2nd largest rotary wing aircraft depot in north america. HH-60Pavehawk, UH-60 Blackhawk, UH-1N Huey, AH-64 Apache. Cool to learn more on other aircrafts .
One came to land on the ship. The pilot and LSO both missed the check item, "water on switch to land." The plane settled into the water before it could transition over the deck. The pilot ejected and was recovered. The aircraft sunk.
Reason you can’t find concrete numbers is it wasn’t designed to fly like this. While it could take off vertically that was often with very little fuel and no payload. Operationally it would use the small runway of the carrier to get a running start and have its nozzles around the 45 degree mark and do a short takeoff, on top of this the harrier requires ALOT of water to cool down its nozzles and engine in vertical and transition flight. As such if you WERE to fly it vertically your limiting factor would most likely be the very limited water you can carry and not your fuel, as eventually the nozzles would over heat and cause either an engine fire or probable just melt the entire internals of the engine altogether.
As a former harrier mechanic, the hover ability isn’t used as much as you’d think. Carrier landings, testing, and emergencies mostly. In a hover the fuel consumption is insane.
Hi son of an ex harrier pilot here and according to my father they could hover stable at about 2200m but could on climb hover for about 105 seconds before it's engines got hot enough that the started to lose power for climbing. He also mentioned that 2200 is the theoretical top and that he,nor anyone he knew ever hovered that high So idk, grain of salt I guess
I don't think they are used anymore, because they use too much fuel using vertical thrust, and that is really the only thing that made them better than other military aircraft
fun fact: the harrier and most supermaneuverable and VTOL/STOL/etc. can do a PSM easier than normal planes unless you are british and uses a spitfire with naval ability
I actually saw one crash at air show after they just put them into service I was standing at fence watch to hover it was about 200ft away had to hold ears it was loud n it was about 10-20ft off runway when something went wrong leaned to the right n just hit ground n blew up next day someone just so happen get picture when pilot ejected or 0 ejection I didn't catching it happened so fast since his parachute didn't help to low he got broken nose n arm the nose break was he went thru canopy n helmet came down such force to break his nose. Right after that air show they grounded them because they had a few other crashes around the country. It's old plane the airshow was in late 60s early 70s they made improvements since then
It runs out of coolant very quickly so you have to be very precise when you take off and land, I can’t remember where I heard this i think it was DCS? For any aircraft that’s in DCS It would probably be better to test it there
If you can go above 100ft ish (where you don't really benefit from ground or back pressure effects anymore), then there's not really a practical limit until you get so high air density becomes the limiting factor. That doesn't account for overheating or fuel limitations ofc. Going straight vertical from ground/carrier/container-ship level, I dunno what kind of real life climb rate you'll be doing at 2-3000ft (vs fuel capacity and consumption).
Horror stories. I've seen a lot of cool stuff with these, but one story will always hit home because I've never seen one in such bad condition up close and in person
Does this mean that a harrier would be unable to use VTOL at higher altitude locations? Peterson space force base is 6,000ft in elevation; what would happen if a harrier attempted VTOL from a place like that?
I thought this plane could only sustain vertical flight do to overheating. It carried a limited supply of water to cool the engine and when that was expended it could no longer maintain vertical flight without doing extensive damage to the engine. When you have only one it's pretty important to keep it healthy.
A flight Sim, will never give you a real number. If you did your research you'd find out that a Harrier has a water tank that us used for VTOL. It can use the jets in the air but they will not keep it aloft. There isn't enough thrust downward to counteract gravity. It can VIFF, but that's a very risky maneuver. But it can barely manage to VTOL for more than about 60sec.
Indeed it is, in a certain games the harrier will only be able to do STOL instead of VTOL when it carried alot of payload on its pylon except when it jettisoned the payload or running out of gas. I thought the game was rigged until I finally learned the fact.
I read somewhere that the harrier could only fly vertically for 90 seconds before the engine overheated
yep, that’s probably why they’re no concrete numbers on this
Runs out of coolant look up dcs harrior vtol by grim reaprs
They use water to cool the turbines alowing them to reach a higher rpm and hover so when the water runs out unless it’s super cold out then they can’t hover, they hold 500 lbs of water
Can confirm
Yeah has a mist to cool them off during it VTOL
The harrier was a fantastic aircraft and a feat of engineering - makes me proud to be British
Yeah it was about the last feat of British engineering. Where did it all go? Lol
Not long to the Tempest, let’s see how that goes
@@rolfanderson3925 the technology is super old, it got retired a few years after the Falkland war if I'm not mistaken
@@piercecowley255 F-35 has exited the chat
@@TakenWithout Tempest is set for 2035 as of last I heard.
“So you know the thruster?”
“Yeah”
“What if we made it point downwards to make it do vertical takeoffs?”
“That’s very unsaf-“
“It’s perfect”
And thus, kids... Is how harrier are born
“Write that down write that down”
Helijet
You are correct. The Harrier is very unsafe and was known for killing pilots. After killing several pilots it became restricted to being flown by pilots with the most experience. It is very tricky to operate.
F-35B mfs when their main thruster pitches 90 degrees down towards the ground
That rough takeoff is why you need the flaps in VTOL position for VTOL Harrier takeoff!
No. Simply… no
Yo give that pilot a raise in money that landed on the cargo ship
Edit: oh my god thanks I never had this much likes
Pretty sure he was like honourably discharged or something for allowing his fuel to be that low and letting the technology get into other hands
That wouldn’t make sense though, then everyone would start landing their harriers on cargo ships
@@ilovemitaka ok but he skilled pilot and that was a crazy thing to pull off
@@Jhunter2007Lie! A subsequent Board of Inquiry found that Watson had completed only 75% of his training before he had been sent to sea. The board blamed Watson's inexperience, and criticised his commanders for the radio problems with his plane. Watson was reprimanded for displaying substandard airmanship and reassigned to a desk job. He eventually returned to flight duties and accrued nearly 3,000 hours of flying time before resigning his commission in 1996. Sea Harrier ZA176 was converted to the FA2 variant in 1992 and retired from service 20 September 2003. The aircraft is now on display at Newark Air Museum in Nottinghamshire, England in its FA2 configuration.
“A raise in money”, so a raise? Lol what else would getting a raise mean?
I worked on Harriers in the Marines (Aviation Ordnance) and got to see them land vertically on a British carrier. Truly amazing sight.
Was a great plane for the RAF. Certainly changed things for Britain during the Falklands war.
RAF ? I thought it is an American plane !
@@RogueGMR the American AV-8 is the licensed version of the British Harrier
@@velvetthunder96 Just correct me if I'm wrong, but it's the RAF a short term for "Russian Air Force" ?
@@RogueGMR royal air force, British my guy.
@@areyou0k98 I'm sure there is a RAF in British banking, but thanks for the information
The issue is heat, while moving vertically the harrier engine got super hot
And the reason they couldn't do it for a very long time is that to keep the engine overclocked for more than a few seconds without overheating they would blast water over it and it could only carry 500lbs which runs out in about 90 - 120 seconds, you can actually see the water vapour in the exhaust of the harrier during VTOL if you look closely irl
Was that also plaguing the X-32?
@@Joshua_N-A think the X32 was just really ugly so no one wanted it, cause the f35 still kept vtol and this wouldn’t be a harrier only problem since it’s just bad airflow and hot engines
Bro the harrier lifting off unlocked some childhood memories for me just now, used to play red alert 2 and all the allied aircraft were Harriers except for korea which had black eagles
I remember the cargo ship story… scary but cool that he was able to land on it.
Worked on them in the Corps. They can only hover for less than 1 minute because they run out of de-mineralized water. So this feature is technically impossible unless you can keep the engine cool enough.
Depends on temperature, air density, the weight of the aircraft, humidity of the air, strength of the engine, etc. which is why there are no concrete numbers online
British Harriers used VTOL all the time 🇬🇧
The crazy thing is that the founder of the company that made those (Hawker) was Sir Thomas Sopwith (b.1888), one of the aviation pioneers that lived to 1989. So he was there to see a plane take off from the ground all the way to the harrier landing without a runway and seeing men land on the moon.
Now try the Yak-141 if there is one!
XD war thunder player
@@azizekerroum5694 how?
@@imcoolerthanu6349 Yak-141 is a new warthunder vehicle so he's assuming that the guy is a warthunder player which he probably is cause thats how i know the aircraft too😂
@@averageenjoyer376 umm, was a real aircraft? They made one?
Yep, so amazing that only one was made
Another Beautiful British invention 🇬🇧
Lil Plane Opened The Creative Mode 💀 ✈️
The van 💀
You should try the F-35B now!
He probably wont since there is info on it, but he might since he does care about us
@@itzabird881 Hmm maybe
“Harrier strike ready for deployment”
“Chopper gunner standing by”
“TACTICAL NUKE INCOMINGGGG”
I always died somewhere in the twenties
The Alraigo incident occurred on 6 June 1983, when a lost British Royal Navy Sea Harrier fighter aircraft landed on the deck of a Spanish container ship.
The plane that was in That famous Cargo ship landing still exists! It now resides as a museum exhibit in the Newark Air Museum in the UK. If youre passing through that area, take a look. You can even climb onbord a Vulcan bomber
I'm near the harrier that landed on the cargo ship, Newark air museum
If you get a chance, go to it it's an incredible museum
The last great invention of Sydney Camm, after the Sabre engined Hawker Fury, fastest Piston engines aircraft to ever grace the skies, 542mph.
RIP British Aeronautical Engineering, may you return someday.
I got to work on the Harroer that landed on the LHD without nose landing gear. Remarkable airframe work.
2 fun facts:
1. The harrier was designed to be hidden across the country inside gardens etc if a nuclear attack was imminent. It could then be deployed almost immediately.
2. The harrier pilot actually landed on the ship perfectly however the plane fell of the crate whilst it was idle.
Btw, for those who don't know, the jet landed on a foreign ship, so therefore became that countries possession, because of that, the country wanted money for it to be returned, because of that, the pilot was put on a desk job and they did all sorts of bad things to him because they said he should've ejected and let the plane crash into the water. Eventually though they did pay the money to get the jet back but the pilots reputation was forever fucked from being demoted and stuff. Can't remember if he got reinstated or not but you can find many articles about it online
You know, I hadn't, but as soon as you said it I began wondering.
She is such a beautiful bird...
rip to the brave pilots who lost their lives due harrier accidents
'lets see how high this thing can go"
thats pretty high man
Yooo awesome 👍😎 clip man, this question always intrigued me but I never came around to do the research myself, thanks for doing this for us, yeah it would have been terrifying and cool if it had a really high cieling, but it is to be expected of a few small jets lifting this behemoth up into the sky.
Just an fyi. I work on the avionics on the Harrier in the Marine corps. The pilots do vertical take offs at least once a week. They do take off vertically. They usually do it on the run way from a helicopter pad
Those interesting facts were nice to read during the vid 👌
The thing is that the harrier went through several variations and if I remember correctly the last ones made had a more powerful engine so it may have been able to vtol higher, however it would also be down to overheating more than anything as the harrier was prone to it while in vtol mode
'aye bruh, lemme land on your ship rq'
Man the pilot really getting bored 😂
"I couldn't find any solid numbers online, so let's buy alot of pepsi"
Yay my favorite jet! 😻
You got a like from me for the image of the harrier on the cargo ship
Small correction, the Harrier rarely *took off* vertically due to the weight constraints. In USMC service, the procedure for landing on their boat is always vertical.
Engine is only allowed to run so long during vertical takeoff or landing due to overheating the engine. If I'm not mistaken it also has mist to cool off the engines when flying vertically.
Correct. The airplane carries 100 gallons of water and by activating the water switch it is sprayed into the burner cans of the engine. Effectively lowering the temperature so it can be raised further for more thrust. The calculations to hover are done before even leaving the ready room. Temperature. Field elevation. Weight and density altitude are all take into consideration before attempting a VL (vertical landing) or VT (vertical take off). The normal operation when taking off on land or ship is a STO (short take off) by rotating the nozzles to around 40 degrees at a certain speed. On the ship it’s at the STO line in the deck.
When landing, normal operation at the field is RVL. Or rolling vertical landing. Or a VL. Vertical landing.
At the ship it’s always a VL.
Hope this was informative. Semper Fi.
@@CR-vt7xw yes sir love aviation. Love learning. I got to work at the 2nd largest rotary wing aircraft depot in north america. HH-60Pavehawk, UH-60 Blackhawk, UH-1N Huey, AH-64 Apache. Cool to learn more on other aircrafts .
Just above the tip of the star skyscraper
I love the facts on the timelapse
Try doing it in colder climates like the Arctic, might get better results ✌️
My dad used to built the landing pads for the harriers, That wouldve been so cool
One came to land on the ship. The pilot and LSO both missed the check item, "water on switch to land." The plane settled into the water before it could transition over the deck. The pilot ejected and was recovered. The aircraft sunk.
It looks like the van on the cargo ship has wings
Reason you can’t find concrete numbers is it wasn’t designed to fly like this. While it could take off vertically that was often with very little fuel and no payload.
Operationally it would use the small runway of the carrier to get a running start and have its nozzles around the 45 degree mark and do a short takeoff, on top of this the harrier requires ALOT of water to cool down its nozzles and engine in vertical and transition flight. As such if you WERE to fly it vertically your limiting factor would most likely be the very limited water you can carry and not your fuel, as eventually the nozzles would over heat and cause either an engine fire or probable just melt the entire internals of the engine altogether.
Higher than i thought, as a helicopter pilot, I'm quite impressed with that service ceiling for an extremely inefficient system like that
Harrier: become H E L I C O P T E R
As a former harrier mechanic, the hover ability isn’t used as much as you’d think. Carrier landings, testing, and emergencies mostly. In a hover the fuel consumption is insane.
He literally said it was used rarely...
It probably didn’t save his life because ejection seats but he definitely saved the plane
The plane really liked the car
“So I had to test it out”… in a game
As a san diegian there was a harrier flying up
Deadass thought that was war thunder for a second
Redbull ad be like… 7 Mil Points
Harrier designers watched a helicopter tutorial but applied it to the wrong vehicle
Imagine being on a cargo ship and you see a fucking fighter jet land in the cargo bay
You should trx out fighter jet specific stuff in DCS, it's way more realistic to my knowledge
Yeah it is
I do honestly like the irony of the name “jump jet” and the fact that it can do VTOL takeoffs.
That's not Irony, not even a coincidence. It's called a jump jet because it is VTOL
Hi son of an ex harrier pilot here and according to my father they could hover stable at about 2200m but could on climb hover for about 105 seconds before it's engines got hot enough that the started to lose power for climbing.
He also mentioned that 2200 is the theoretical top and that he,nor anyone he knew ever hovered that high
So idk, grain of salt I guess
Lol I thought it would go all the way to space!
I don't think they are used anymore, because they use too much fuel using vertical thrust, and that is really the only thing that made them better than other military aircraft
I hope this doesn't turn into a WarThunder thing where someone ends up revealing classified information in order to win an argument online. 🤦♂️
Imagine a fighter jet parking on your car lol
fun fact: the harrier and most supermaneuverable and VTOL/STOL/etc. can do a PSM easier than normal planes
unless you are british and uses a spitfire with naval ability
I still wish the Royal Navy would use the harrier again
😂the way he landed on a van
I Like the music in the background
Where do you get all these mods? Are they free? Btw nice content Aaron
All are on the MFS 2020 Market in game
I actually saw one crash at air show after they just put them into service I was standing at fence watch to hover it was about 200ft away had to hold ears it was loud n it was about 10-20ft off runway when something went wrong leaned to the right n just hit ground n blew up next day someone just so happen get picture when pilot ejected or 0 ejection I didn't catching it happened so fast since his parachute didn't help to low he got broken nose n arm the nose break was he went thru canopy n helmet came down such force to break his nose. Right after that air show they grounded them because they had a few other crashes around the country. It's old plane the airshow was in late 60s early 70s they made improvements since then
speedrunning shorts: after 10 minutes he reached 5400 feet
I live in San Diego it is a beautiful place
Imagine building a tall slide for airplanes to ride down for a kickstart then fly off. Haha. You’ll get a free gut sensation lol
Well, aircraft carriers have catapults
cheat code:-Jumpjet
When the plane forgets to plane and decides to helicopter
Well now we need an F-35 version of this video
Harrier off that kerosene 😵💫⛽️
“Honestly that was a little lower than I thought it would be”
I thought it wouldn’t get higher than 100 ft
It's not very accurate I believe the actual ceiling for a harrier in vtol is under 1000ft
All I see here is GTA San Andreas memories
It runs out of coolant very quickly so you have to be very precise when you take off and land, I can’t remember where I heard this i think it was DCS? For any aircraft that’s in DCS It would probably be better to test it there
Yeah I was also confused, why is he NOT using DCS for this?
Aaron indirectly said that a car got hit by a plane in the sea !
I have a friend who flew Harriers for the marines
God this must have taken a very long time
If you can go above 100ft ish (where you don't really benefit from ground or back pressure effects anymore), then there's not really a practical limit until you get so high air density becomes the limiting factor.
That doesn't account for overheating or fuel limitations ofc. Going straight vertical from ground/carrier/container-ship level, I dunno what kind of real life climb rate you'll be doing at 2-3000ft (vs fuel capacity and consumption).
Let go! A nice new video!
My dad is a pilot of harrier and i can confirm that's true. I want to become pilot of fighter jet too.
Horror stories. I've seen a lot of cool stuff with these, but one story will always hit home because I've never seen one in such bad condition up close and in person
Does this mean that a harrier would be unable to use VTOL at higher altitude locations? Peterson space force base is 6,000ft in elevation; what would happen if a harrier attempted VTOL from a place like that?
I heard that the pilot landing in the Cargo ship got into huge trouble
CJ would be proud
I thought this plane could only sustain vertical flight do to overheating. It carried a limited supply of water to cool the engine and when that was expended it could no longer maintain vertical flight without doing extensive damage to the engine. When you have only one it's pretty important to keep it healthy.
Wt players: i am 4 parallel universes ahead of you
Now you need todo the f35b to compare
Can you try this but with the F-35?
A flight Sim, will never give you a real number. If you did your research you'd find out that a Harrier has a water tank that us used for VTOL. It can use the jets in the air but they will not keep it aloft. There isn't enough thrust downward to counteract gravity. It can VIFF, but that's a very risky maneuver. But it can barely manage to VTOL for more than about 60sec.
Depends on weapon load and water inj. Capacity.
Indeed it is, in a certain games the harrier will only be able to do STOL instead of VTOL when it carried alot of payload on its pylon except when it jettisoned the payload or running out of gas. I thought the game was rigged until I finally learned the fact.