King Sthenelus and the Mycenaean Consolidation

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  • Опубліковано 28 сер 2024
  • In this episode, we review the costly Taphian war and go through the rise and reign of legendary king Sthenelus of Mycenae. We also put these events into perspective of late 14th and early 13th century of Mycenaean Greece, which saw the return of Achaeans into the political power struggle in western Anatolia, as mirrored in the Achaean-Hittite islands dispute of c. 1295 BCE.
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  • @HistorywithCy
    @HistorywithCy 3 роки тому +18

    I love learning this lesser-known history...thanks man, great work!

    • @WanaxTV
      @WanaxTV  3 роки тому +5

      Appreciate it brother! Can't wait for your next vid!

  • @TheRealTomahawk
    @TheRealTomahawk 21 день тому

    This is one of my favorite videos that you make. Hercules is born and a Perseus dies of old age!

  • @hikeandphoto2521
    @hikeandphoto2521 3 роки тому +3

    Another Great video!

  • @Skeo5
    @Skeo5 8 місяців тому +1

    I remember reading in a note, that the translation in that fragmentary text from the king of Ahhiya to the Hittite king was:
    "Long ago 'Cadmus', my ancestor, king of Ahhiya, had married off his daughter to an Anatolian king (Assuwan king) who owned these islands (Islands: Lemnos, Imbros , Samothrace) and gained control of them."
    And that the Ahhiya king, who is sending the message, is no other than Polynices son of Edipus and brother of Tawagalawas. If that were to be true it would be crazy, although the idea or possibility that it could be Stenenelus is also very interesting

  • @russianbot8423
    @russianbot8423 2 роки тому

    Your doing great

  • @klausbrinck2137
    @klausbrinck2137 11 місяців тому

    SthenElaos, the stress on the "E" !!!

  • @kushgodreturns5873
    @kushgodreturns5873 3 роки тому +3

    I hope you do Dardania and Lycia

    • @WanaxTV
      @WanaxTV  3 роки тому +4

      I was definitely planning Lycia in some of the next videos. Dardania is also an interesting suggestion!

  • @mzeewatk846
    @mzeewatk846 6 місяців тому

    Please provide sources.

  • @TheRealTomahawk
    @TheRealTomahawk 21 день тому

    I heard Anphitryon and Alcmene were Egyptians or Libyan.

  • @geoffhunter7704
    @geoffhunter7704 6 місяців тому

    In a previous video you stated that Heracles attacked Wilusa AKA Troy which he captured and sacked but alas you do not give dates as Heracles is supposed to live in the 16-15th C BC he must have taken Troy 5 for when the Trojan's recovered their City they rebuilt the damaged walls with the wonderful walls of Troy 6 itself taken by the Mycenaeans resulting in Troy 7 which appears to have been overrun by the Sea Peoples in 1177 BC some of the Dardanians (Trojans) joining with these invaders in attacking Egypt.Then on the death of Mutuwallis 11nd his ineffectual son was deposed by his uncle Hattullis 111rd breaking a solemn oath to the Storm God setting in motion a dynastic struggle which burst out in C 1180 BC weakening Hatti causing the downfall of the Hittite Empire as Hattusas appears to have been burnt and sacked internally and the population moved away some researchers say to the Great Green Island in the West,Britain???? if i have this somewhat confused scenario right.

  • @xristidi
    @xristidi 7 днів тому

    Sacrilege at 6.06....... These were not to be seen by uninitiated people.....!!!!!
    PS. Maybe a bit more attention should be given to the correct pronunciation of names, in regard to correct accents...
    In that time and age, due to the spoken phase of the language, all (Greeks) knew where the accents fell...
    Butchering the accent of a name destroys its meaning, esp for compound words (as many names are)....
    And ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΗ as u know, is a very precise and structured language FOR A REASON and not just because something JUST sounded good.....
    The ONLY reason I am spending time on this is because u r doing an excellent job, which can easily excel even more..... it's a shame....

  • @Crafty_Spirit
    @Crafty_Spirit Рік тому

    Killed by a club accidentally hitting the king? 🤣🤣 Could you elaborate on this, what does the tradition say?

    • @xristidi
      @xristidi 7 днів тому

      It is a very traditional cause of death in ancient Greece....
      A lot of important people were killed by things that were accidently thrown - NOT TO THEM....
      Hyacinth is killed when the discus thrown by Apollo changes course, either because the wind suddenly changed (either or not the action of Zephyr - rival of Apollo) or because the discus ricocheted on a rock, and hits the youth, killing him in the spot...

  • @basiliimakedonas1109
    @basiliimakedonas1109 3 роки тому +1

    fIrSt

  • @herculianthegreat
    @herculianthegreat 3 роки тому +1

    Second

    • @herculianthegreat
      @herculianthegreat 3 роки тому +1

      Ι am also a history channel wanax check out if you want

    • @WanaxTV
      @WanaxTV  3 роки тому +1

      @@herculianthegreat Subscribed!

    • @herculianthegreat
      @herculianthegreat 3 роки тому +1

      @@WanaxTV really thanks my friend

  • @amarnathjha8319
    @amarnathjha8319 3 роки тому +1

    Western Historians especially Greek historians had distorted what happened in his final battle. Actually Alexander was defeated by Pous in the battle. Indian tradition of that time, Alexander was not killed and given CHHAMA, so that he could go back.
    (1)In all his previous wins, he had appointed his Greek Satraps that did not happen in the case of India, why? (2) He had killed all his other opponents in previous battles, why did he not do kill Porus? How suddenly he became kind-hearted to leave Porus alive and leave his kingdom untouched, for what? (3) Alexander's goal was to go to the other end of the world. Porus was kind of the western part of India. It was a well know historical fact that there were many kings at that time in India. There were many monarchs and Kings and king Nanda was the most powerful king of central India. Does it make sense, that after beating Porus, Alexander would not continue to pursue his goal of winning the whole world and reach to other end of the world. The answer is of course not. Then why he fled via another route! There are several reasons. (4) First his army was not only tired, but was also demoralized after being defeated by Porus. More important issue for them was loosing everything, as they learned about another Indian King NANDA, who was on his way to meet with them with a lot more bigger army. So Alexander had no army left to regroup and fight. Alexander had failed to motivate them is well documented by his lair historians.(5) It has been all along Indian position to coexist with others. That is why Indians never attacked any of its neighbors. Allowing defeated invaders to go back, was also one of the Indian established diplomatic code of conduct, which allowed Alexander to go back.
    Taxila was well established University at that time. Head of the Department of Political Science and Economics was CHANKYA, who write wonderful book on political economy "ARTHSASTRA". He had led mass movement and awareness by travelling to different kingdoms of India, that Alexander was an external invader and had to be stopped collectively by all Indians. He had written this book after the War and does not mention Indian defeat in the hands of Greeks.
    Western people have difficulty swallowing that other people are also equally bright and smart. They use all means to prove that their civilization is superior. West get credit for Science development but is equally responsible of killings all over the world for last two thousand years. Even now, they have hard time accepting coexistence as an international policy.

    • @ultrasgreen1349
      @ultrasgreen1349 3 роки тому +3

      Bullshit Alexander frequently entrusted many of his conquered Satrapies to their former rules as long as they proved loyal to him and capable. Two examples: Persian (Iranian) Satraps: Atropates of Media and Pharnaces of Phrygia remained Satraps under Alexander the Great. Now go back to sleep you idiot.

    • @charisbozonis8792
      @charisbozonis8792 3 роки тому +5

      So you just bring to the table only indian sources and you expect us to believe them as non biased?

    • @AndrewStamelakis
      @AndrewStamelakis 2 роки тому +7

      @@charisbozonis8792 there are no Indian sources on that matter, only Indian propaganda. Truth is Alexander's troops were fighting for many years, they were exhausted. So Alexander needed a buffer kingdom between him and the rest of India. Someone that respected him. It is one thing to claim a victory after an indecisive battle and another to make up an entire story of complete victory and interaction with the defeated king when in fact you lost. That's pure bs...

    • @wankawanka3053
      @wankawanka3053 2 роки тому +2

      It's not realky greek historians romans says so😉

    • @ravensthatflywiththenightm7319
      @ravensthatflywiththenightm7319 Рік тому

      Indian propaganda nonsense.