Dr. Hofstadter meets Mrs. Cooper | The Big Bang Theory
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- Опубліковано 18 гру 2023
- “As a psychiatrist, I know how important people's superstitions can be to them.”
Season 8 Episode 23: The Maternal Combustion
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I believe that you can honestly say that you failed as a parent if your own child your own flesh and blood believes that you like everyone better than them. Seriously it makes me sad
Totally agree. Sheldon's mom may be a religious keener, but she is at least a loving, dedicated parent. ❤
Totally agree, Leanard's mom was horrible.
I love Sheldon mother❤😂
Unless you're a heartless sociopath like Leonard's mother.
I think Beverly might be my favourite character in this show 😂
The problem with Beverly is that being good at analyzing human behaviors doesn't necessarily make you a good psychiatrist
A good psychiatrist wouldn't insult people, ridicule their beliefs, enrage them...etc
Yeh, they would have empathy for people.
Psychiatrist aren't people pleasers lad, Beverly can be as unkind to others as she wishes, she's not harming anyone.
@@neocell710 If some of these patients were mentally unstable or suicidal, her words could potentially harm them.
@@zzzzzzzzzzzk exactly not to mention destroying her son's self esteem and using him like a lab rat
@@zzzzzzzzzzzk You assume that she would be unaware of the potential dangers of attending to an unstable patient, she's a psychiatrist lad, she's not dumb.
The fact that Mary actually reads Sheldon’s theories and pays attention to his work despite not believing in it speaks volumes about both her intelligence and the support she has for her son. It’s honestly really sweet. I also like to believe she understands it both because Sheldon taught her and she was able to understand his nearly indecipherable language because she is also naturally gifted. That’s how a mother’s support should be like, she shows interest and learns to somewhat care for something she didn’t originally because her son does and she loves him.
Beverly should take some notes.
Mary Is a really good mum
Mary is one of my faves characters. Always funny, but always showing love, acceptance and great smarts.
Beverly, I love that she brings the female Sheldon to the program, not Amy. As tolerant as we are of Sheldon, I feel the same with her. She is funny and acts as dettached as Sheldn does, struggling with human connection and trying her best. I love how she and Sheldon understand each other. I think they made a great character script for this one.
Now, Mary ate the cake. In both TBBT and Young Sheldon. She is beyond amazing!
@@323azteca I agree, but I don't see many people who share our opinion sadly
This just made me realize that mary couldve been another good scientist but their religious background destroyed any oportunity of that. Doesnt matter how intelligent you are if youre only allowed to read one book :(
@@cottonuwu3167 IDK Why you are framing it as a bad thing. As someone who's really passionate about sciences, there's nothing wrong with choosing a different path in life! Just because she can it doesn't mean she HAS to be. She found what makes her happy and that is what matters most
*"Hey look at that, you both believe in bearded Jewish guys."* One of Penny's best lines 😂😂😂
It was a good try from Penny…..but nothing was gonna stop this war
At least JESUS is a real GOD!!
@@jessedellross3245
Are you referring to Sheldon's mom Vs Leonard's mom? Or...?
@@liliantan2379
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Yeah ... A Palestinian who is the God of Israel ?
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Jesus is Jewish Palestinian right?
Edit 6 months later:
It is now 2024Jun26, and I've done a lot of reading.
Palestine doesn't exist. But Palestine could in the future. But Palestine needn't.
@@nicbentulan That's anachronic as Palestine and Israel known nowadays didn't even exist yet
I'm as atheist as can be, but I'd still choose Mary Cooper over Dr Hofstadter in a heartbeat.
Mary is always there for her kids.
Brainwashed
Me too
@@tammyclay62 more like only for sheldon
She hugs Penny like she's her own daughter.
It's clear Sheldon's mom *knows* who Freud is and neatly summarizes his theories. That little bit just slides through.
And also that she read the book because Sheldon sent her, which is a nice touch
No one ever said Mary Cooper was a stupid woman. It's just that her deep rooted Christian faith is the lens through which she views the world
Hilarious you used the words slides through when she talked about crawling back in 😂
The most unrealistic part is penny knowing who freud is
freud pffft. maslow is better.
These two talented veteran actresses deserve their own show playing neighbours or in laws again or friends or sisters. It would be a riot, I tell you!
Man that would be surreal. It's a shame we didn't have many episodes of them being together.
It's funny for a few scenes but it would get old real fast.
Liked their interactions much more than all the clips and few episodes that I saw of this series.
Christine Baranski plays a character on a show called "The Gilded Age" Her character is often brutal to those around her. Almost like the good doctor was thrown back in time to the late 19th century. Perfect for the part is this show was the audition.
Grace and Frankie 2.0
Okay I am no fan of Mary Cooper but her diss of Freudian psychology is legendary
I don't like Mary the character at all but she is win here. I must want to add, I like Sheldon's mom character & the lady actor who played it killed it
What's not to like?
Why wouldn't you like her?@@granand
@@grace-vm5gm Well see YS and the way character is written, she wasn't a good mother for Messy, Georgie & with over indulgence & protection to Sheldon is primary cause of what Sheldon behavioural problem
@@granand yeah i guess that makes sense
I have always thought that, even if Sheldon says that he would have love to have a mother like Beverly, I'm glad he didn't, he would have turn out some kind of psychopath or serial killer, detached from humanity and feelings. Leonard is lucky to be a very kind person, even with all the emotional baggage
I love how this show deliberately had a loving/caring mother like Mary raise non-human, non-emotional Sheldon. And how Beverly (who's just like Sheldon) raises a sweet, kind guy like Leonard. But as you say, it's better they were raised by their opposites. However, I do really feel for Leonard. That guy is emotion-starved
Interesting to think about
Ikr... I actually salute Leonard for turning out to be a very bright man. He is smart, kind and understanding. It's extremely hard to remain like that when you have Beverly and Sheldon in your life.
Actually I think Sheldon may have been more normal because Beverly would have probably not indulged him for all his nonsense at the expense of the other kids. He'd have probably understood he wasn't special.
@@PetraBabulal well yeah, l supposed if we compare the two Sheldon is ok. Thanks to the cooper family. I remember when mrs Debbie wolowitz died, I can see the sympathy he had for Howard.
At least Sheldon's mother encouraged him, cannot say the same for Leonard's mother. .
No she didn't
She was the reason he missed out on good opportunities many times as a kid. Young Sheldon shows how great of a dad George Sr. was
"What Bull dropped that on the barn floor?"
I'm dying!!!
I heard that and thought, well, being a born and bred guy from NYC, there's no way I'd have come up with that line. But, I am going to do my utmost to remember it for whenever I need to reply to a friend who says something wacky.
To be fair Sigmund Freud didn't have much empathy either, kind of sensing a pattern.
That’s the problem with Leonard’s mom.
She follows Sigmund Freud’s hypotheses. Most of them have been disproven.
Yeah never thought I’d be agreeing with the religious lady but any “Psychiatrist” who writes books on and believes in Freud’s theories is stupid
Freud is widely discussed in the field of psychology, but there's no science or research to back up what he says. They are just theories. His theory involving the Oedipus complex originated from having a sexual dream about his six-year-old daughter. His "explanation" for this can be summed up to, "My daughter must be projecting her sexual desires onto me and that's why I had that dream!"
In short, Freud is full of shit.
@@seacolorsc Is there evidence to back up that? Because if it's true that's beyond fcked up. I have my doubts because Oedipus Complex is technically about boys and their mothers, the one about girls and their fathers is called Elektra Complex.
To be fair, large chunks of Mrs Cooper’s holy book have been disproven too.
Eh... not really, in fact t, there's a lot of archaeological evidence backing it up
" She likes everybody better than she likes me! "
This is played for laughs but it's actually sad af.
The thing is, the only person who could ever be happy in Dr. Beverly Hofsteder's vicinity is Sheldon.
Which, in and of itself, explains soooooo much about how terrible of a person she is.
And that's good writing.......
_Dr_ Hofstadter lol
I don't know I'm pretty sure I could
Penny’s expressions during this scene were priceless
I've always thought it's funny how Leonards mum is more like Sheldon, and how Sheldons mum is more like Leonard.
must be why they can tolerate each other so much 😂 They already live their whole lives with someone like them
Sheldon's mom is nothing like Leonard.....
@@GothicKittyMadness Notice how I said more like, rather than like
Yeah, minus Mary’s religious beliefs
Almost like that was the whole point
I met Christine Baranski a few times in the early 90s, before she was really famous. She frequented the place I worked and was always so nice, obviously very different than some of the stern, uppity and snarky characters she has played on screen. Her late husband, who often joined her, was an actor too, a very funny man in his own right. I’ve always admired her work and wish her the best.
Married to actor Matthew Cowles, wasn't she?
You can see her ready to break out laughing in many of her scenes. Whenever she adjusts her glasses or overdose the frown she's ready to break and yes she played cold and aloof very well. I haven't really seen her in anything else but I think she was in Cybil Shepherds comedy years ago where she was a totally different character.
@@qwerty99337 Yes, who was famously pimp Billy Clyde Tuggle on the soap opera "All My Children.:
@@user-et6pj4db9sShe is hilarious as Cybill's best friend Maryann and stole every scene she was in, so much so that Cybill Shepherd resented her.
"How could someone as enlightened as Sheldon come from someone like you?
Mary: "I don't know, how could someone as kind as Leonard come from someone like you"
Cos he takes after his father. When we eventually meet him Leonard's dad is subservient just like Leonard and was dominated by Beverly in their relationship.
Two completely opposite people....what could go wrong 😂
Hell could freeze over making a Cold Day in Hell
Not just ''opposite'' but from completely different worlds and backgrounds...
That could have gone better, had they not been so intolerant and more respectful of the other’s point of view
@@alexiaivan7708yes but that doesn't make for funny TV does it now?
@yevgeniyaleshchenko849 how? Both are from the usa
It is quite surprising that such a renowned scientist would behave like that. You’d think her advanced education would have given her ways of being more tactful.
You want reality or funny TV?
Dont underestimate the woman that gave birth and handled Sheldon for that many years.
@@Flikanik I was talking about Leonard’s mother, the psychiatrist.
It's her personality, not the education that is the problem.
This is everyday condescension for neurosurgeons.
“Subtle, Mom. Real subtle.” Subtlety is definitely not Dr. Hofstetter’s forte! Hahahaha!
Hold on. Are you the Reddit user by the name of peterfonda3? Because 1 month ago a user by that name said that was Penny's last name on Reddit exactly the way you wrote it
Mrs. Hofsteder treating others with contempt is her way of masking her own misery.
Yea, but, not much of a mask. Sheldons mom was certainly a happier person.
Excuse me, it's doctor Hofstadter 😂
@@NihongoGuy Not really. If you follow the entire character arc, she gets into the religious nuttery as a result of Sheldon's sister nearly dying. It really is a superstitious drive for the beginning of it. She talks about it later on.
@@NihongoGuy because Christianity makes you happier
Like every other psykolojist
I wish these moms had more time on the show. Their interactions are not only hilarious, but an excellent lesson in social interactions, communication, personalities.
2:15 look at Penny's eyes... she just had a silent "Daaaaamn"
That's sooooo true!!! She's so good!!!
Mary is the best! She NEVER loses an argument 🤣🤣
In An* Actually No Wait An Is Ok
Yes she does. She's clearly wrong. There's no evidence that Jesus or God or anything supernatural exists, when she falls back to fallacious arguments she loses
That's because when God is with you who can be against you ✝️🙌🏾
Chuck Lorre and company nailed this. Two veteran actresses (2 of my actual favorites) who nail their parts.
"Hey! Look at that! You both believe in Jewish bearded guys!" 😂😂😂😂😂
😂 they're hilarious together. Leonard's mother is so condescending to everyone that it borders on narcissistic.
She crossed the border a long time ago
I love the Mary could hold her own with Leonards mom
I do not believe the bobble-head story for a moment, at least no more than she does. The circumstances might be true enough, but she in no way believes that is why Sheldon was so brilliant. She DID know that Beverly would feel that her intelligence was insulted, which was exactly the aim. Mary may not have Beverly's education or supposed brilliance, but she had raised Sheldon, and that was enough.
@@jayt9608 You weren't supposed to believe that, it's just an old sitcom with silly humor in it
2:10 “It’s fascinating. How can someone as enlightened as Sheldon come from someone like you?”
How can someone as kind as Leonard come from someone like Beverly?
The real answer is that sometimes children reject parts of their parents that they find intolerable. Whether it’s disagreeableness or anger or something along those lines. They hate it so much they reject it within themselves
Frued's actual theories are largely discredited. He was the founder of psychiatry, allowed the discipline to be taken seriously, but his theories were not very scientific or based in facts. Fortunately, Beverly is a parody of a psychiatrist and not a real person, so her failure to correct this misconception on Mrs. Copper's part just means she's bad at debate. Which, fair.
Beverly is canonically a Freudian
Both characters are parody’s of their respective beliefs; that’s the joke.
All of sikiatri is false to the deepest.
@@carlgauss1702 Freud was a psychologist
@@matityaloran9157 That doesnt affect my conclusion.
"maybe you can knock some sense into yourself" 🤣🤣🤣
I find it interesting how Leonard’s mother is exactly like Sheldon, and Sheldon’s mother is a lot more like Penny.
She nothing like penny or the Mary Cooper from young Sheldon
@@SuperJoshdavethe younger Mary grew more cynical after George passed away and took care of the family herself
@@SuperJoshdave I have not seen Young Sheldon. But Mary is like Penny in that she’s a normal, down-to-earth, non-genius person who is still witty and sarcastic enough to take geniuses down a notch. And I notice Mary and Penny are both huggers who get along very well with each other.
@@mrtechpatactually it was georgie who stepped up and became the man of the house
"Oh my son, Oh my mother, Oh my god"😅
So this is basically moms Religion vs Science rap battle 😂
Also, for those of you that didn't know, the actress who played Dr. Hofstader Lenord's mom, it's Martha May from How the grinch Stole Christmas and she was also in Mama Mia.
legendary broadway actress Christine Baranski, currently starring (with other broadway legends) in The Guilded Age
She will always be Maryann Thorpe to me!
Oh wow
O_O the who?
I love Sheldon's Mom she is so funny ❤
Laurie Metcalf was great as Mary Cooper whenever she appeared on this show. For the "Young Sheldon" spinoff, the part was played by Zoe Perry, Laurie's daughter. Seems like appropriate casting in that case.
"Stay out of this 💀"
"Mmmhmmm"
I love how Penny is equally intimidated by both Beverly and Mary.
Sheldon calling out Leonard fir buying a cheap ring! Lol!
Bedt line of this episode. Lol!
I’m so glad those didn’t try to kill each other.
I thank goodness that we had Laurie's daughter as Mary. The transition from older to younger, and now looking back from younger to older Mary, just makes everything synch up so perfectly.
Leonard's mother is a cold horrible person, I suspect that if she had raised Sheldon he'd be a sociopath.
Mary own that one 😂😂😂
This was such a well written scene from the concept to the dialogue
I'm pretty sure that the actress that plays Sheldons mom here is the actual mother of the actress who plays Sheldons mom in Young Sheldon.
That is true. Laurie Metcalf is the mother of Zoe Perry. Similarly, O'Shea Jackson Junior played a younger version of his father, Ice Cube, in the NWA biopic Straight Outta Compton.
@@johnanderson9765 and James Gandolfini's son played Tony Soprano in the Many Saints of Newark.
Sheldon never knows when to keep his mouth shut
Typical Aspergers trait. No idea of how to read social clues or mood or innuendo
Forget about Mim and Merlin, THAT’s the duel we were all expecting for !
Why not? Science and religions have the same values. When approached correctly , bring a different perspective and result.
@@inmyside oh I wasn’t talking about science and religion, I do think they can be compatible
I meant, Mrs Hofstadter and Mrs Cooper
@@victoiresouledelafont3428 thats all about girls fight always
@@inmyside science and religion ?!
I don’t know about that, when I usually fight with other girls (not physically), it’s certainly not about that 🤔
Mary is not wrong about Jesus vs Sigmund Freud 😂😂❤❤❤
*"Ughh!"* 😂😂😂 Beverley is the mother Sheldon should've had.
I was completely with Beverly on this one
Nah I always thought Lillith from Cheers was Sheldon's lost mom. Beverly is too cold. Say what you like But I feel Mary's love guided Sh;eldon more than Beverly's harshness could.
+TshiamoDre If Beverly was Sheldon’s mom, he would be way worse. Maybe in jail forever.
@@scottbuckley823 How did Mary’s love guide him exactly … and on the other hand, how did Beverly’s harshness guide Leonard?
Then he would have been SO much worse than he is. Beverly, for all her brilliance, doesn't have a soul. If he had been mothered by her, he would never have been able to connect with people later on his life.
Dr.Hophstetter looks like the president of the University from young Sheldon
I so feel like penny in this, my grandmas were completely like this 😂😂
Is She Mrs Agnes Van Rhijn!!?? Naah 😅😅😅
Christine Baranaski literally makes me forget in TGA that she's Dr Hofstadter in TBBT! ❤
They’re both fictional characters.
However, in real life, I’ve seen debates of people like Leonard’s mom and Sheldon’s mom. And every single time the “scientist” gets angry for not winning.
Yeah, arguing with religious people is always a waste of time. Faith goes opposite with arguments, so trying to argue with someone with not a foot on reality is a wasted effort.
@@rbhandlechange religion and faith and worlds apart from each other. That’s what atheist do not want to understand. And we the faithful do not argue for we believe in God and have faith in his word and perfect design. Whether the other person believes or not it’s totally up to them. Our mission is to present the faith and share the faith and word , you accept or not. It’s totally up to you. I tell you what I’d rather believe in God and die and if we’re wrong, okey no problem. But if I refuse the truth and I die and I’m wrong. There won’t be no mercy for me. So I’d rather not risk it
@@Luisalonzo88 Sure bud
@@rbhandlechange I rest my case.
@@Luisalonzo88guys, i am having a shif right now and it hurst comming out, its burning!!!
Culture collision.
The perfect setting for comedy.
From the moment when Leonard and Sheldon met Penny to this.😂😂😂
"Preaches love and compassion" good one marry 😂
Then he burns you in hell if you don’t obey him.
@@droneguy69 that is if you are lucky enough to not get cancer during infancy or smth. which is of course his will coming from his love
@rinkashikachi God allows these things to happen in order for humanity to learn and get better. If humanity didn't suffer tragedy and hardship, we don't evolve, grow and progress.
@@droneguy69he doesn't send people to hell, people chooses to go there themselves
the two moms were perfect casting, i cant ser nobody else in that role
This scene is amazing
It’s amazing that in The Big
Bang Theory Sheldon’s mom is played by Laura Metcalf (Older Mary) and in Young Sheldon Laura’s daughter Zoe Perry plays a younger version of Mary. You can definitely see the similarities in their faces!!!
Penny's faces during the two mother's caonversations. 😂😂
It came from Tiffany, you mean the box😂
One of my most favorite scene's😂😂
Be honest, if they gave us the twist that Sheldon was actually Beverly son, you wouldn’t question it
I would believe if Leonard was just Sheldon’s older brother by like 2 yrs or smth
That's a prime time drama twist that I've seen on multiple programs, not traditional sitcoms.
If that were the case, then Leonard would probably be a youth pastor instead of an applied physicist
That would be wilder considering they once maked out
I want a spin off with The 2 of them running a podcast.
When Mary visits, she cooks hearty southern meals for the group. She even tried to make sure none of it was an animal raj thought was magic. Lol
You people think is magic?!😂
That "Stay out of this", sounded scary. Team Mary anyway
They both argue like Sheldon and Leonard 😂😂😂😂
You mean the box 😂😂
3:10 😂
That went better than expected.
Try me! 😂
Christine Baranski & Laurie Metcalf: Masterclass
My favorite scene from the show!
Every time you say Dora's name, my Dora looks up.
The delivery and acting of the line "a Jesus bobblehead in the Subaru next to me nodding 'yes'" is impeccable
Redundant take: Laurie Metcalf is always a phenomenal actress. I see her face, hear her voice, take her all in here as Sheldon’s mom and no part of me references her as Jackie Harris, Roseanne’s sister or as any other role she’s played. When you can play characters so well that you’re perceived as a literally different human each time (we know that Jackie and Mary are 180 degrees from each other), you’re truly gifted. 💛 Always loved her, always will.
The come back from Sheldon's.mom is so epic in this!! 😂 Leonard's mom has definitely met her match!!
"You mean the box, right?"
Never tell Sheldon anything in confidence.
The mom's verbal catfight. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
The bobble head story is killing me 😂😂
&& the knock some sense into yourself 😭
Her continuity from the prequel show Young Sheldon is VERY SOLID considering the dual loyalty issues in her marriage before bro just CROAKS
I love when 2 veterans of comedy go head to head in a scene. Its hysterical.
Love Mrs Cooper!!
2:46. Perfect face-palm.
Christine Baranski is bourgeois at its best. Get her sneering at everyone, she is awesome!
Penny's facial reaction in the debate is priceless 😂😂😂
Mary is rocking it! Go, Mary!
Christine Baranski and Laurie Metcalf were both amazing in this show.
Brilliant writing!
I love this episode
The way sheldon bonds with beverly and how Leonard bonds with mary shows their true friendship
As soon as they started talking I sad "Penny, run!"
2 great actress at work. Fascinating to see
The George Cooper in young Sheldon is far from a dumbass. He’s also a much better parent than Mary.
I don't agree that George always was the better parent, but it's true that he wasn't a dumbass.
But I guess that Mary is angry with him in retrospect because he cheated on her and might have even made up that story just to annoy Mrs Hofstadter.
The best rivalry of all times
brilliant writers.
Very Ladylike cat fight 🤣🤣
KEEP WALKING.😂😂😂
Christine Baranksi and Lauren Metcalfe in the same room. How did the audience not explode during that scene?
Do it *smack* some more *smack* maybe it'll *smack* knock *smack* some *smack* sense into you*smack* --- my absolute favorite scene of the whole series
That haircut is when Penny “jumped the shark” for the rest of the series!
Now Mary Cooper you apologize now...lol