This Pagani PD-1671 is by far the BEST Tudor Black Bay 58 150$ homage! but is it worth buying one?
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- Опубліковано 3 сер 2021
- Just wait until the end and give me an honest feedback :) How do you see these Pagani Design PD-1671 Watches? Please let me know in the comments section.
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And regarding your saying about cheap Chinese watches, I would rather go for some of this homages knowing that with 2 kids and a mortgage is very difficult to own the real thing, as much as I would like to own a Tudor BB58 or a Rolex Submariner my common sense tells me just to dream about it! But when you look at the quality San Martin offers I would definitely go for one or two of their homages! I better look in the mirror and be happy about myself knowing that my kids have almost everything they need wearing a Chinese homage, rather that looking in the mirror and being shamed about myself wearing the real thing and not being able to offer what my kids need! And this is purely just my opinion! Thanks, lovely reviews mister, keep up the good work 🤟👍👏
If you save $20 per week for 3 years, you can afford the real thing. I doubt that will hurt your kids opportunities in life much.
@@AngelSapundzhiev it will be pretty anticlimatic and you'll be scared to wear it since it took that long.
I am sure you are doing everything possible for your kids, but you have a life to live too. These homage watches are not breaking any law so wear them proudly and have fun with it.
@@kachow2818 we are never scared to wear a watch where I live because besides the expensive watch I'm wearing on my wrist im also wearing something around my waist and under my shirt if you know what I mean mate.
@@AngelSapundzhiev is it worth it thou? 1/40 the price and I get 80% of the original product. I can afford a BB58, but I am not going to buy one coz my money is better spent elsewhere.
I have several "cheap Chinese watches" and some other bigger brands costing thousands.... I enjoy them all. Not everyone buys a watch to pass down but simply to enjoy. I love watches.... NOT watch snobs. 👍👍👍
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I FEEL THE SAME.
I bought one on alibaba for $79 and at that price it is a steal. This is now my daily work beater.
It’s a great watch. I wear it every day and no way in hell is the Tudor worth ten or twenty times as much. Just because it’s Chinese doesn’t mean it isn’t a quality piece.
New to the channel and very impressed with your production and insights. As for the Chinese Homage watches I am an enthusiastic collector. Most of the time these homages are of watches I so admire and could never obtain. Personally it has opened the door of horology for me. A lot of these homages are not in production and priced completely out of my budget. The concept of save up doesn't really apply when we're talkin between $100 homage and a $10,000 Rolex lol. Now because of being able to obtain these homages I have drove into the history of the watch and the original design so for me it's been a very rewarding and fun.
Yes, I am fully with you on this one, the gap between a homage and the real deal can be 100 times the price. but maybe an intermediary brand on a 500 - 700 -1000$ price range with heritage and original designs might work :)
A couple of days ago I had never even heard of you and now you're my favourite horology UA-camr! Not only do you love Doxa, Certina and Glycine like I do, but your videos also have some of the best and most visually stunning, professional and artistic production I have seen on UA-cam. Keep up the good work!
haha, i am glad I hajiacked into your yt schedule :D and i am also glad we have common tastes, specially in underrated brands. Thank you for your kind words and i wish you a warm: Welcome aboard :)
Andrei is the man and one of my favorite watch channels as well ❤️
Already considering a PD and your review was very helpful 🤠😉
Well said, newcomer as well and quite impressed.
it's nice to discover a new channel. lovely homage, wish it was smaller, but might buy it anyway, thanks
Andrei is a class act! Visuals are outstanding and your approach to reviews is light hearted and enjoyable!
Thank you very much Paul! I Appreciate it :)
Love the darkish presentation of your videos !!! Subscribed !!!
Man how couldn’t you’re the only one who covers certina and zrc jajajaj all jokes aside congrats on the 5k, and hope you get to 1m. Cheers and thank you, especially for the reviews, cause they helped me in tough times. You should also cover the A15 from Bulova, and maybe something from lorier
Manny, I do appreciate your words, and again, I am grateful for being able to help, to be there with goods & bads week by week :) thanks for being close to the channel! A15 like, I should grab one for review, for sure we will have the Devil diver soon. as for Lorier, great brand, would love to grab one for review. yup
The Chinese, like the Japanese, take what the rest of the world is and can be doing, and do it Better. This watch is a fine example of a product that looks and does better than "the original", at a fraction of the price. That's one reason why many savvy and wise collectors don't bother with "luxury brands" as much anymore.
In a way, yes i agree, i think they offer those particukar things that the " genuine brands" refused to do.
those closeup shots are nice
Well, you might have noticed that the young generation hardly wear watches anymore. If my grandchildren find some watches in my drawer after I am gone the only thing they will think of is to sell it
Another fine video where you just kick 🦵 it out of the park Andre 👍 Tam.
ha :) thank you!
I’ve recently received my San Martin SN-008G with SW-200 movement, I can’t believe how well is made, I have no words to express myself regarding the quality! Believe me it worth every penny! I have a friend who have the BB 41 and side by side he couldn’t believe what he saw. San Martin have better specs than BB41 😂😂😂
Another great video Andrei 👏
Appreciate it M :)
WARNING: I received my Pagani Design BB58 homage today and it has a Miyota non-hacking movement inside, even though the sales page specified the Seiko NH35. They are telling me they ran out of the Seiko NH35 movement (I know there is a shortage). This was direct from Pagani Design themselves. I am sending it back.
Hi, Miyota is a high ranked and a better movement than the nh35. I see it as an improvement :)
No way, Miyota has a noisy rotor and no hacking! In what way is it better?
What leather band do you have on that watch?
New to the channel and quite impressed, on spot review which btw reflects my personal views. Regardless, there is a number of watch enthousiasts that can't afford the real thing, and perhaps heritage might not be a priority. Age has a lot to do with it, young folks especially the ones that were not fortunate enough to inherit a piece. On the other hand, Chinese homages are cluttering the watch market....
Welcome aboard! agree, this piece really offers the looks of the genuine one
I can relate, and not to relate, to your thoughts. Always when I buy affordable homage I am amazed by the amount of watch you get for the price. But the lack of history of the brand and unique design does not make the homages as "keepers" in my collection. I just prefer original design. However, sole purpose of big luxury brands is to make profit so in that part these are not any worse than Rolex, LVMH and others. They just play in the minor league.
Thank you for your thoughts! That is an interesting topic to review, how much costs a product, finish, materials, movement and how much do you pay for the brand value. I would make a full episode based on that.
Hola this is the firts time in your channel, you got a new suscriber for sure.
I agree about you talking about, if you want to make a vídeo about it.
I'll be waiting for it.
Becouse i think the same has many others. The luxury brands sell that, "brands" i understand what quality is, but pay it more the 16,000 usd for a Submariner is too much for example. This is my point of view.
Saludos desde Cancún México..
And it's not just the fact that the price difference is ridiculous, it's also the availability. I went in to my local AD for Rolex as I was interested in getting an Air King or a Milgauss, but was told flat out that they won't be able to sell one to me as the wait list is full for the next FIVE(!) years on those, and they won't even add me as I have no purchase history with them.
The week after I bought a chinese Milgauss homage from Ebay, and I've been wearing it more or less daily since I got it.
Yes, it's not an original, and it doesn't have the same finish, but I can actually get one, unlike a Rolex...
Not my bag but good you are looking at such a broad variety of different watch types !
As I actually bought a Pagani a while ago as a present for someone not quite into watches, I have to say I'm not a fan of (cheap) Asian manufacture in general. But I do enjoy the San Martin experience, starting with the quality of their build and finishing (I owe 2 pieces) which is definitely not suggested by the very low prices, excellent communication with them through the main support channel, their ability to homage pieces I cannot afford and the custom projects they run (for example, the ones made in collaboration with the BSH).
I wouldn't buy this particular Pagani for $20, but I do appreciate them for trying to do more than just replicas.
Thank you for the review, Andrei. Keep up the good work 🤟🏼
Yeah San Martin are on a different level.
Great Video, I broke the bracelet clasp after a few times whoops. Do you know if there is a replacement bracelet anywhere as overall the look is very Tudor like. The rivets and Individual machined polished sections look nice, but can’t seem to find the bracelet alone. Many thanks
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i like a micro brand, but one that does its own thing
Loose the date at 3 and imho it's better looking than the Bland Bays (the round indices clash so badly with the snowflake hands for me)
Should hopefully be getting an Omega Railmaster in the next week or so 🤞🏻
Great video as always!!!
Cheers 👍🏻👍🏻
OMG! a fine piece, that Railmaster! Congrats, fingers crossed!
I suppose buying one as a ‘junk’, weekender, beater watch that you don’t worry about is fine. I wouldn’t own more than one I don’t think. Nice review either way 😎👍🏼
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NICE VIDEO MATE👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks 👍
I've got the red bezel version, it's a little different (better?)
The dial text has the same colour as the markers and hands... I'm not sure whether that colour is gilt or faux patina, but either way it quite closely matches the hands and markers.
Oh, and the hands actually match the colour of the markers properly on mine.
thats good news. I know for sure that the blue version has white lume :)
During the last 30 seconds of the video you show a white dial Pagani. What model is that? I never saw it before.
Great content! You have a new subscriber. Best regards from Spain.
Hi, welcome aboard! It is a Pagrne design. Not Pagani. but a massive crap. I do not recommend :)
@@BraveBeaters thank you very much!
If only they would remove the words Pagani Design words and just use the logo like San Martine. I'd buy them!
Gracias amigo por tu traducción de subtítulos en español, es un muy buen video, imagenes espectaculares y una muy acertada reseña , mis nietos se encontraran muy buenos relojes y buenas copias chinas JEJEJE
glad you liked it :)
😂😂😂 my grandchildren will inherit my pagani 💀😭
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Well I better names like tutor or Rolex make a lot of money or more of a profit per watch then Pagani design I mean percentagewise not dollarwise. I collect Chinese and Japanese launches I just can’t afford stuff like Rolex. SanMartin is great Steighnheart ocean one that’s a great watch . Wise hitman that’s another good watch. Some seiko’s, Tissell. Tissot. Orient very citizens. Casio. These are all watches I have in my collection. I have a Invicta swiss made pro diver with the SW 200 movement. Very nice watch. Just wanted to let you know I’m a brand new subscriber nice videos
Thank you for your thoughts, Richard and welcome aboard! Love the Steinharts, they offer such a great value for the price paid :)
Quilted dial bois!
Supply comes after demand. And not the other way around. Many see homages flooding the market and will interrupt or effects the watch world. But if no one is demanding, why supply keep pouring? The next time you say junk homages, you should say junk homages buyers instead. I think that's a better term. No one will produce cocaine if nobody is purchasing them. Simple and straightforward.
As long as the pieces of this watches go higher, the demand for homages watches will go stronger. The rich will get richer, and the poor, well they get homages. If you could afford a precious watch, good for you, you deserve it. But if you need one to feel good, well you need a higher life purpose.
One last thing, name me one watch brand not made for profit. I really eager to know.
Hi, thanks for your assessment, I would say valuable.
In essence I am 100% with your point, supply comes after demand, OR the market behaviour adapts to supply. and here we have to owe to those who promote such things as ''amazing value for the price paid''
(i guess you heard how they got banned, one after another for promoting counterfeit products)
But I still consider the most of the watches from AliExpress as JUNK, because, again there is no horology intent there, just a way to make profit. A brand or a micro brand when starts such a business, definitely want to make profit, BUT to also make a difference, to innovate, to bring something new to our lifestyle. is there any watch currently on aliexpress that added something revolutionary ?
And yes, I will be always a fan of a swiss piece, because besides a solid watch, brings a story behind. where a copy of rolex or omega will always be a copy. and the impression that you will never reach such a brand will deepen even more.
Everything is reachable! I guess it just depends how you choose tho experience your life, with small qualitative bits or big quantities of illusions. Thanks again for your thoughts, Ken!
I do not like the square hour markers on the Tudor and the Explorer II should have a metal bezel, I do not like that black one.
P.D.: interesting video as allways.
Thanks :)
We can't tell yet whether these have the potential to become heirloom pieces. They might break down faster than we expect, unlike the older brands with proven tradition.
Even with seiko movements, I have subjectively experienced shorter battery life on the automatic movements. I don't believe these will age eery well.
Amazon sells it. 2 day delivery
3 months I waited :))) probably after the launch, they sent batches to Europe aliexpress points.
Pagani design looks good but the quality is questionable. Question to you in what part of Puerto Rico were you born and grew up.
Good point about our grand children finding Chinese junk in iur drawer but then I realise they are not even here so why worry about them.
Shame they don’t have a smooth black face actually like the Tudor
I have the "Real" Tudor BB 58!!
for me it is not an exact replica & instead of this watch, I would buy the Orient Kamasu with the red dial
I own about 6 of these. I never wear them. Just feel dirty. lol
When I see it hmm. Hmm.. 😂
I have subscribed to your channel to address a few things which you stated at the end of the video.
First of all, I like your channel because you are a no-nonsense, sophisticated, and serious watch reviewer. But there are a couple of things I didn't like in the video.
1. Profit is the most motivating factor for a product or industry, if a sub $200 watch is making profit then what do you think Rolex, AP, PP, and Ugly Richard Miller are doing? Of course, they are churning the dollars by selling the legacy or History. A history that could have been identical even if they were absent. If you can't see the capitalist approach to earning a profit then, please don't educate others about the socialist form of making a profit.
2. Micro brand, a term I come across very often. What is a micro brand?
" A Chinese or Japanese movement assembled in Europe, America, or Singapore with a 'romantic' story behind it, maybe less than 5 years old and owned by some white swan is called a micro brand."
No, they are not microbrands but pseudo-brands. And I think a 20 years old Chinese manufacturer is a much better option than a pseudo brand.
3. Quality and luxury are subjective terms, someone who can afford AP or JLC would always look at the Rolex guy with his judgemental eye. And what is being sold around us? Quality !! No way, just a marketing ingenuity that everyone is ready to shell out their bucks for.
4. Japanese rooted out half of the swiss watch industry singlehandedly and believe me their second crisis will be Chinese companies not because of their low prices but gradual improvement in quality( I don't have any Chinese watches and I am not promoting them but just making a reference that china is going to be next Japan in the watch industry in next couple of decades)
5. Last but not least, people buy watches to wear themselves, if a father can afford and pass them on to his offspring a $20 Casio, is still priceless. At least much better than a Rolex which is passed on with an unpaid credit card bill.
Two door Black Buy... ok
Hey King Leonidas go back to the spartan army and stop doing watches reviews
Sadly you will see me more and more often, keyboard warrior ;)
@@BraveBeaters you look king leonidas of Spartans
I see Chinese knockoffs, replicas or homages as necessary evils. The production of a very good quality affordable watch like $300 San Martins proves beyond doubt that $6,500-$12,000 originals are vastly & unnecessarily overpriced. Let’s be honest, is anyone going to daily wear their fathers Rolex, Patek Philippe or even Tudor for that matter. I think not.
You are wrong here.
He had plenty of Black Bays, but doesn't know how to say it's name. 🤣
English not his first language.
Black "buy"? Come on at least pronounce it right.
Just unsubscribed. Can’t stand “homage” watches that try to profit off of the ingenuity of others
Bye bye
Jeez lighten up 😂
can be, unfortunately this is the world we live in, with goods and bads :D