24:00: This very step will also show how absolut under scaled the Landingzones are. If they archive that and we start to see 500 or more Player in one Landing zone. it will be a Dumpsterfire.
23:36 This is the meat, and actually, this should help in another pet peeves, A.I. Without the entire world loaded in all at once, this should cause A.I. to actually function properly. Though, I think a friend of mine said they should have Dedicated A.I. servers to control AI that has access to the replication layer, so they can transverse the PU just like we can, and not weight down the AI or the server nodes. But regardless, A.I. should start doing better after this. So, maybe there's a bonus to all of this PES/Mesh work.
35:19 "End Game" can be very MMO specific. FFXIV players sometimes call the Glamor (costumes, transmog, etc) system "End Game", others Extreme Raids, etc. Other players do nothing but craft, etc. It's very specific. Generally, I would say it's the 'more difficult' content, either in doing or reaching. There are places they could place 'End Game' content into. For example, Yes, the DCs could be 'End Game', but not the only one. Those 'Raids' might need 10, 15 or 20 or more players working in coordination to achieve goals. Like multiple simultaneous attacks while others hack, data run, and fly air cover. etc. The DCs are supposed to go deeper from my understanding, those areas are not even in game yet. Base Building is another; difficult recipes requiring high level rep to obtain, from materials from above said DC raids, with items 'charged' by energy from Pyro's sun, blah blah, something that's more difficult to achieve. There's Lots of things now that can be rooted in what they've started with that could form the foundation of "End Game" content. Can they find that balance is really the question. There's no way to know because we're not there yet. But at least this is what they should be hashing out now.
1:03:15 AstroPub made the same comment. We should get to not only see this new 1.0 Roadmap, but have a say in what's on it or at least provide feedback before they go balls to the walls ad campaign on it. Not everyone is gonna be happy, but there may be some key points that should be considered overall that may help make or break SC 1.0's success.
The funny part is - PES was not really needed for SM. It is needed to allow dynamic SM unloading servers. SM as is used right now (not really meshing) doesn't really use PES in any way different from how a single server does
The main way in which salvage missions don't make sense is that they spawn a new wreck whenever you want it. They should only be available when the simulation decides a wreck exists. Hopefully they know.
Feature-wise, they did deliver PES in 3.18. the only problem, which ended up having massive consequences in terms of interruption of service, is it wasn't production ready.
thats like saying BMW "delivered my car on time but it wasnt working" lmfao that doesnt mean BMW delivered my car, they simply delivered a broken product that wasnt what I paid for. PES broke a lot of ppl's trust (mine included) because there excuses after the fact were just proof of missmangement at that and i dont have any hope that SM will be a "smooth" release
@@123TheCloop Well, I see your point but this analogy ia flawed for several reasons. The first obvious one is that you don't buy a car in early access, you buy a finished product. The second one is the meaning of a delivery in the software engineering industry isn't the same as in the cars industry. But anyway, they're using the preview channel now to test big technologies at larger scale than their internal tests (including SM tested with several hundreds of players in a single shard this week), which is a proof that they learnt from their mistake. If this does not give you any hope, even tiny, at all, that SM activation in production will be smoother than PES, then I don't have much to add.
Hilarious that all CR has to say is "1.0" and a flood of clickbait "Star Citizen going to 1.0!!!!" videos hit UA-cam. The reality of the situation is that it's the same "beat around the bush" scam-speak they have been saying for the last 12 years. "Working on it", "getting closer", "it's going to be the best year ever", "Jesus-patch is just around the corner", "expedited delivery of content" ... it goes on and on. Seriously, look at letters, videos, and fan responses from 6 years ago and all of this same shit was being tossed around in the echo chamber. You could read that stuff with today's mindset and it is all perfectly applicable... 6 years later. They were talking about server meshing, faster development times, groundbreaking-never-seen-before technology and looking forward to the bright future 6 years ago. We even had a "feature complete" Squadron 42 WITH a release year back in 2016.
i think their Core Technology Group (CTG) is meant to represent things like the internal IT services and technologies not directly game related rather than being a seperate company itself.
The whole dynamic of CR and Star Citizen reminds me of George Lucas and making Star Wars... Both wouldn't exist without their creator's vision, but importantly, they would never suceed without the grounding affect of the insanely talented people who surround them. I appreciate their desire to communicate with us their excitement.. but this letter does nothing positive for any of us... And they certainly mever should have mentioned 1.0 😅
It would be fun if we could get dynamic missions where you have to find and salvage a crashed/destroyed ship and salvage it outside the standard contracts which would also be higher rewarded.
This letter is not for us. This is for the investors and the news outlets. They should not allow Chris to speak. Also, just think how hard it is for them to convince Chris,They need more content.. So we kind of can just blame Chris because, obviously, his game sense is off.
As an outsider looking in I do feel a bit sorry for all the folks invested in SC when all they fill a whole page talking about Squandrens A game u didn't want or ask for getting priority over sc
Every letter should have a 2 - 5 years estimate when read by the community. Although this year should be a decent year for core tech. Once all core tech is in, features will no longer have to be revamped and done over to include those tech. As they will be built with the tech from scratch, and that will significantly reduce tech debt going forward.
Not sure why there is speculation about the overdrive. Was that recorded before the f7a thing? Clearly its talking about f7a and the rest is just fluff. At best. At worst CR wanted it to be in-game upgrade but marketing ate the event
The hype of Squadron not yet being released is what keeps the funding coming ATM. They need to bridge the feature gap of the MMO PU side before Squadron is released. Basically, at Squadron release it goes two ways. 1. The hype leads further funding and development of the PU of it is able to keep up with releases and development to retain consistent playerbase. 2. The hype peaks then starts to drop after people complete Squadron and the PU isn't keeping up with a decade of hype and exited waiting. Bridging the feature gap and tech development prior to Squadron release puts CIG in a better state in the post Squadron world.
It's alot more than what you think it is. I'd say it's more closer to what Eve Online does, but at a vastly more detailed scale. Space Tomato has a recent 13 minute video explaining it in detail called, "Server Meshing Will Fundamentally Change Star Citizen...Finally | This Is How." I'd recommended giving it a watch.
I agree that salvage is very basic and not very engaging. I have gone looking for salvage many times, but whenever I pick something up on the scanner, I go there and nothing is to be found. So they really need to get that bug fixed.
Pretty good context, I think you are one of the better context creators out there. I just find it amusing that you expect over eleven hundred people to make your dream game for free. Yet at the same time you parasite of their work to make money for yourself. Not only that, you are promoting some promoting products to make more money in the same videos you criticize CIG for doing the same. I’m not saying it’s wrong, just pointing out the paradox.
I'm concerned about their insistence on trying to go straight to release with skipping the whole beta phase. Once 'full release' is slapped on, this game is gonna be judged way differently than they're used to, as it should.
I think that's a good thing. They've become way too comfortable with crowing about playing their 'live service game' which is 'playable now' for years but then jumping back behind 'it's an alpha' when long standing game breaking bugs strike. It's a live service, or it's an alpha test, it's not both in the 12th year of development. Once they've been forced to stay in that lane they'll be forced to finally give QoL and basic bug fixes some attention rather than the fifth visual rework of something or gas tech v7.
@@RN1441They need a working game and the beginning of an idea on how the economy and player interactions will work to take that step. From my point of view they still have no clue about these crucial aspects of an online game...
SaltE - thank you for being respectful for the SC community and Your community also. Not behaving like a teenager being able to touch a breast with own hand in real life for the 1st time, like so many ppl do, hearing promises and plans. Good video! GL in the 'verse! @40:46 "they never actually share their vision of the game" - because there is none
The quote is NOT from Marcus Aurelius. People attribute it to him, but when studying the greek texts he wrote you realize he never said anything remotly like that.
@@MaxFlood84 I wish I could help you with that. It's probably from the movie Gladiator. Because you won't find it being used before that film came out.
Also is 1.0 the new name for 4.0? cause it sounds like it. If 1.0 is everything that's been promised even if its not on the board anymore that is over 100 years easily.
Clarity would be welcome. 4.0 sounds like it's part of the Alpha cycle and 1.0 the start of the Beta cycle, perhaps? Maybe someone reading comments knows for sure?
I think they will do a citizen con announcement for game release in spring 2025. That’s typically a really good spot for AAA games that aren’t call of duty et cetera. Think horizon, zero dawn or breath of the wild. The marketing plan would also then track with a lot of big publisher’s marketing rollouts - hit the marketing hard for six months and release.
Rich was first an actor team lead, then became a director (something about actors), then was moved to sq42 with his team - and that was his idea - then became the game director and redid a bunch of stuff. I believe he was probably cutting a lot of vague overambitious crap there. Now he's basically Chris right hand and I assume he will do the same - cut stuff out a lot. We already see that the designers basically get a greenlight to ignore old designs. Probably he's just on the same wavelength as Chris and thus he can cut stuff and keep Chris happy
9:10 Well, if you think about it there's always going to be resources wasted, so if *everyone* goes salvaging instead of mining then in a economy you'll eventually find mining becoming more profitable.
After reading the letter, i took a few moments to check out what Mike jas to say. I honestly feel like whatever we get going forward, is going to be a lot of fun to see it unveiled. Lets keep it real. We need critics like Mike. We need more Actual tangible GamePlay. For now i am holding off on buying anything. Marketing department in this game is like a corruption..... F8 Lightning and F7 Hornet came out of left field for me & were Completely unnecessary and OVER PRICED..... I hope things get better soon!
im hoping END game is more like an org taking over a Pyro and controlling it and keeping their base and buildings safe and making 100% profit on all the stuff the take a crew out to mine or slavage and protect the crew and come back to make more stuff and try and take over the market as best as SC lets them.. id like to see something like that come into the game sort of like eve online does in null sec space
Anyone know whether those UEE Civilian Defence Force stripes mentioned can be earned purely flying in and doing combat in ships and avoiding SC ground-based combat entirely? If anyone from CIG is reading this then know that SC ground combat is a total and utter turn-off: I got into SC to fly spaceships. If I want ground combat I have Warframe and even Destiny 2, despite all the nonsense around Bungie and anti-consumer practices.
Oh hell it looks like Org fleet battles are just round the corner i hope there is a way for them to see other players that are not in there Orgs as not enemy or be able to join one side of it at low level or we will better get out of there way.😂
Can’t tell you how many people I know that don’t like Mike. I’m wiser to understand that it isn’t that they don’t like Mike. They don’t like the listen to or recognize the reality of fact and enjoy living in their own bubble. Snowflakes perhaps. I don’t get ajida from this. This is informative and above all honesty. Truth is something we all lack these days.
@17:50 Gee it's too bad they advertised a SQ42 beta as something we would get if we paid in to the project no less than six or seven times. Before that they even told people they'd get SQ42 alpha access if they backed the kickstarter. Excusing CIG 'changing their mind' because they don't feel like delivering what they pitched even after they've received more than 10x the money they swore they needed to do it all is exactly what enables their sleazy behavior. If you keep being an apologist for the bait and switch, I'll just hope that it doesn't happen to features you cared about when you were giving them money.
What I'm genuinely curious to know about your experience is in jumping from one server to the next was, were you able to tell the difference between that jump and a loading transition akin to Mass Effect's elevator scenes? As an aside, the whole part about Papy? The way it reads hovers way too close to Chris trying to justify firing Papy for circumstances outside of Papy's control- never mind how pivotal Papy is/was to the project. Everything about this year's Letter from the Chairman felt almost as vile as the "Chairman" himself.
Sheesh! Some of these cats in your chat are beyond naive or are some serious copium addicts. 5 years to 1.0 is a pipe dream unless CIG axes most of the promised features and content of Star Citizen. Alien races, player homes with customizable interiors, crafting, universe economy, faction wars, player run space stations, Pioneer and base building, AI server blades, revamped flight models including atmospheric flight, law system, bounty hunting, mining final tier, passenger flights, VIP shuttling, in game racing teams and leagues, in game news reporting, EARTH landing zone, node territorial guild conflicts, the down from 100 to just a dozen or so hand crafted planetary solar systems with settlements/ towns and ROADS system, CAPITAL SHIPS, the remainder of all unreleased ships left in the back log. 5 years??? At the speed this company implements things. You're joking right?! Try 10+ years.
Amazing what happens when 90% of your dev team are not off on a pointless side quest (SQ42). But, seriously, with everything the PU has missed, the solo game has such a small chance of actually being worth the wait :/
an endgame is still a long ways off. little choices could still steer end result in very different directions... yes, it's an MMO, but MMO is a term that describes the number of people on a server, not game mechanics. just realizing this could vastly change how "raids" work. it's a survival based FPS RPG with vehicles that is an MMO on a scale and amount of detail that's unheard of... the term sandbox can be misunderstood. Gary's Mod is a sandbox, but that's not what a sandbox specifically is... the toys in the sandbox can be defined along with different games that can be played and how they are played. the players are just allowed to move about freely with no real goal, unless they want to play with the toys and by rules of the sandbox. what is base building, if not jumping into someone's sandbox and making a sandcastle? Gary's Mod sandbox rules just allow people to make and add their own objects and has no universe scenario to build a RPG backstory. the thing that will really make it feel different will be the addition of more RPG aspects, like skill/physique progression, property ownership, functioning R&R hotels. making the cities more like cities with more traversable areas, buildings with interiors, and apartments would make a huge difference... especially if more low level contracts are offered. there is still a lot of stuff leading up to really being able to do that, though.
I just can't stand Chris Roberts throwing out out-of-space excuses for things that only come down to him having literally 0 game design skills. "We needed to test this in a live situation", "we couldn't have known this wouldn't work". Gosh, IF ONLY SOMEONE HAD VISION AND WOULD HAVE PLANNED SOME OF THESE THINGS IN ADVANCE LIKE A HALF COMPETENT GAME DESIGNER WOULD. IF ONLY THE LEAD HAD ANY IDEA OF WHAT HE'S ASKING FROM HIS TEAMS EVEN MEANS. This guy infuriates me.
Joke is on us "Star Citizen 1.0" is actually a rollback. lol I think the stuff that they've been working on for the past several years will get spread across patches, not all in one patch.
CIG's expectation for the timeline of "Coming up next", is a lot longer than many players expectations. The replication layer is definitely 'next', just not in a timeframe we'd all hope.
"enough content" jesus crhist man, where`s my content, give me a reason to play. I wish they did more like Helldivers 2 devs and gave out free stuff we can earn in game, not new ships we can buy or spend more $! I`ve allready spent 800 on this "game" and i am not spending a dime more. We want a meaningful experience not full of players desyncing and lagging all over the place. AI that actually works and rare items all players can find/earn in game for free. So sick of these damn letters
For me, if they can show that they will reduce drastically or remove the ship store out of the game, so the game can be the game, this will tell me, in that roadmap of 1.0, that its going to be the best game.
Those are two completely different demos and GTA online is unlikely to come out at the same time so it’s very plausible for people to play both if they wanted. Now if the game struggles at launch that could be problematic
Writing personally, I have zero interest in any GTA games but gravitate to titles with a scifi/space element ranging from Warframe to Destiny 2 to Elite Dangerous to No Man's Sky to Space Engineers to Squadron 42 and am willing to bet many other SC backers are similar in profile. Data may disprove this or prove it but it's unlikely CIG will give access to those data.
You are right, but GTA is a pop culture that is too big, no one knows about Sq42 besides us that are fans or are founding the project.... It will hurt too much the sales of Sq42.. @@Nick-cs4oc
Love you Mike, but you chose to side with the dark side and become a sith, I am still on the jedi path. Being here since before we even had a hangar, seeing progress year after year, letting them cook. More seriously though, your passion for the game far surpasses mine and is why I'm a fan and like watching your content. It sucks that they've made false promises in the past, but personally I've always referenced the state of the PU and the tech to assess where they are at rather than words. These days I see PES, server meshing and jump gates are working along lots of other features, and most importantly the game is fun to play even though it has zero fu**ing progression to it yet. Instead of telling new people to look to the past I encourage you to look past the past and focus on the magical times we have ahead.
This is why I come here. Mike cuts through all the fluff and lets me know about actual progress. I still like the project especially the actual dev work, but these letters and marketing hype just feel dirty after all of these years. I know it is how they have to make money, but I don't have to like it.
Mining is absolutely great. Salvaging is fine in my mind. Hammerheads are less common now. Pirates and griefers hang around outside Grim killing reclaimers, so no more quick 20 min runs producing millions.
All this talk. All This BS and not a hint, not a word, not a spec of anything related to when are we getting back to MULTIPLAYER! Our ships and its seats and positions, it’s literally one of, if not the largest topic there is due to the type of game this is. And nothing but silence. Literally now for almost two years, ever since it was broken and they just removed it all.
@@saltemikereacts I mean what is he supposed to say? My point is of course he is going to thank his community for allowing him to make this game, just like you and every other streamer thanks their communities who pay the bills. The Star Citizen community are some of the whiniest bunch of people I have ever met lol, and this isn’t a direct target of you btw just in general. Mike, you dish out the salt, expect to take a little in return ;)
@@saltemikereactslately your content feels less critical but actually kinda hateful… i prefered you when you were hyped about the new stuff and tried to make the best out of facts while beeing realistic. Now its just hating and bad-talking everything that happens…
None of it matters unless the PVP matters 😊 it's been a cool ride and things are coming together because the single player game is pretty much done. Now CIG can focus on the multiplayer side of things, since it sounds like the single player portion is looking good.
Wouldn't end game be tying together all professions that are in game. and that cant be done until the professions are fully developed, and I truly hope they aren't fully developed, cause they are bad as it is.
i dont care about their letters, about their words, i dont trust them no more since a loooooot of years ago. they want my attention? show REAL gameplay
You do such a great job of killing any enthusiasm. I'll come back to SC in a year. You should find a different job and detach yourself from SC man, you just seethe anger dude, not healthy for the mind. Otherwise ... mildly descent and balanced opinions.
For a dude that’s constantly negative and critical you sure don’t seem to respond well to negativity or criticism. But it is the most entertaining thing about your channel so honestly don’t change 😂
For me anything else than 100 star systems in the release 1.0 is a scam. Anyone can say "its not fair" but no one forced CR and Team to promise on those 100 star systems and on top promise more and more and more and even more. This is what people have pledged for and not delivering it within a reasonable time frame, which they already have exceeded is a big sc4m. What I have heard is that they will "skip" beta, so 1.0 will be beta. When CIG releases 1.0 they will face reality and they will definitely want back the "shitst0rms"from today, because what will come will far exceed that.
so, an entitled youtuber and twitcher shits on the years worth of work of hundreds of people, because he had a bad experience waiting for a game... or what is this whole format all about?
This was not even close to being rude. That's just the daily dose of salt. Come watch some streams, you'll get used to it 😅 P.S. after 12 years of BS (in some areas, not 100% of them) there is nothing left but salt when they treat you the same way as in precious years, not learning from your mistakes at all...
CR is quite frankly the reason we have this game and the vision of the game. To say any of the devs have these attributes is bogus. SalteMike, I know this is your realm to deliver constructive criticism, but saying you don’t understand the game isn’t doing you any favours.
He is both, he is also the reason why we don't have a practical game. None of us understand the game because CIG doesn't even know what the vision of the game is going to be. It should be obvious that they are making it up as they go.
Argument of bringing people who don't enjoy the game in is kind of bogus as you framed it. CIG had a huge and very loyal target audience from the beginning - that's how they got to this point. They only tap into a small part of that audience because the game is incomplete - but it is clear that this vague idea of the game have invited enough people so even a small percentage of those is enough for them to continue funding. It is true that CIG constantly tries to tap into other audiences as well - but that's not because business. In fact its pretty bad business - they are overselling the game to multiple broad incompatible audiences just because they can't develop the game to the point where a larger percentage of the original audience will play the game. That's why they can't tell the vision - they sit on multiple incompatible audiences and they rely on those vague nods at everything for their marketing. If they'll actually tell what they are making they'll lose a large chunk of their audience
i think your cynicalness and "saltyness" is making you read into things incorrectly or automatically putting a negative spin on them . We get it the game has been in dev for ages but to claim they "havent made shit" or arent making obvious and observable progress is just bad faith good example is going off on a tangent about "large" patch and assuming thats 3.23 level every 12 weeks if they spend 12 weeks fixing the economy and some quality of life stuff then move on to 12 weeks implementing mission content along with hopefully multi server meshing so ai actually works then we have a game and its not all to unlikely as as you said you have in fact experienced a successful server mesh hand off so the tech is working the future is possibly not as bleak as you seem intent on wallowing in.
so what have they made? Reclaimer mechanic was "made" but grossly overestimated during concept and was fundementally changed...... shocker. PES flat out broke the game for 2-3 major patches...... all because of dog management which they basically admitted to in there monthly reports about it. we still dont have half the ships that are still in concept phase because "tech isnt ready" and "oh lets rework many ships to gold standard instead of i dunno working on the new stuff" like im not even sure how you or anyone can defend the level of developement this project has had and has so little to show for it. they have over 1200 staff, have the HIGHEST self funded budget in the industry and they barely have any of the promised stuff now. not saying it wont be finished but people are going to have a reality check when those "mechanics" are going to be mind numbingly watered down its gunna be fun to watch a projecty as big as this financially fail after release. Christ they needed an F8C event to get them being in the black and shocker.... we got another token event.
He is permanently locked into this game because it’s his career and hobby. His brand is saltiness and he appeals to that audience. He plays it non stop so his view of progress is slower, as his view is repeating the same half-baked content over and over before it’s been wrapped into a production level experience, which is precisely what this letter is saying they are going to attempt.
As an older guy nearing the end of the allotted "three score and ten years" on this Earth, I just want CIG to deliver SQ42 and SC while I'm still here to experience them. Get a blinkin' move on, CIG.
24:00: This very step will also show how absolut under scaled the Landingzones are. If they archive that and we start to see 500 or more Player in one Landing zone. it will be a Dumpsterfire.
22:05 We get few "server recovery" around 30sec in our shard 👍
Quite acceptable for an alpha state, wouldn't surprise me if they manage to get that under 10 sec for release or lower.
49:14 Respect.
Thanks for all the hard work Tod! o7
💯
No more Chris competing with Peter Molynuex in terms of Hyperbole.
They are VERY similar. I cant believe people still buy into this
Dang Salty. You were in form on this video lol.
23:36 This is the meat, and actually, this should help in another pet peeves, A.I. Without the entire world loaded in all at once, this should cause A.I. to actually function properly. Though, I think a friend of mine said they should have Dedicated A.I. servers to control AI that has access to the replication layer, so they can transverse the PU just like we can, and not weight down the AI or the server nodes. But regardless, A.I. should start doing better after this. So, maybe there's a bonus to all of this PES/Mesh work.
35:19 "End Game" can be very MMO specific. FFXIV players sometimes call the Glamor (costumes, transmog, etc) system "End Game", others Extreme Raids, etc. Other players do nothing but craft, etc. It's very specific. Generally, I would say it's the 'more difficult' content, either in doing or reaching.
There are places they could place 'End Game' content into. For example, Yes, the DCs could be 'End Game', but not the only one. Those 'Raids' might need 10, 15 or 20 or more players working in coordination to achieve goals. Like multiple simultaneous attacks while others hack, data run, and fly air cover. etc. The DCs are supposed to go deeper from my understanding, those areas are not even in game yet.
Base Building is another; difficult recipes requiring high level rep to obtain, from materials from above said DC raids, with items 'charged' by energy from Pyro's sun, blah blah, something that's more difficult to achieve. There's Lots of things now that can be rooted in what they've started with that could form the foundation of "End Game" content.
Can they find that balance is really the question. There's no way to know because we're not there yet. But at least this is what they should be hashing out now.
45:53 Alright, I am no where near as dour on this game as you can be, but on this point.... Agreed.
1:03:15 AstroPub made the same comment. We should get to not only see this new 1.0 Roadmap, but have a say in what's on it or at least provide feedback before they go balls to the walls ad campaign on it. Not everyone is gonna be happy, but there may be some key points that should be considered overall that may help make or break SC 1.0's success.
The funny part is - PES was not really needed for SM. It is needed to allow dynamic SM unloading servers. SM as is used right now (not really meshing) doesn't really use PES in any way different from how a single server does
I mainly see these communications as saying as much as possible by saying nothing 😂
The main way in which salvage missions don't make sense is that they spawn a new wreck whenever you want it. They should only be available when the simulation decides a wreck exists. Hopefully they know.
Feature-wise, they did deliver PES in 3.18. the only problem, which ended up having massive consequences in terms of interruption of service, is it wasn't production ready.
They delivered the feature with that name, but still haven't quite delivered the experience it was supposed to bring.
thats like saying BMW "delivered my car on time but it wasnt working" lmfao that doesnt mean BMW delivered my car, they simply delivered a broken product that wasnt what I paid for. PES broke a lot of ppl's trust (mine included) because there excuses after the fact were just proof of missmangement at that and i dont have any hope that SM will be a "smooth" release
@@123TheCloop Well, I see your point but this analogy ia flawed for several reasons. The first obvious one is that you don't buy a car in early access, you buy a finished product. The second one is the meaning of a delivery in the software engineering industry isn't the same as in the cars industry.
But anyway, they're using the preview channel now to test big technologies at larger scale than their internal tests (including SM tested with several hundreds of players in a single shard this week), which is a proof that they learnt from their mistake. If this does not give you any hope, even tiny, at all, that SM activation in production will be smoother than PES, then I don't have much to add.
Hilarious that all CR has to say is "1.0" and a flood of clickbait "Star Citizen going to 1.0!!!!" videos hit UA-cam. The reality of the situation is that it's the same "beat around the bush" scam-speak they have been saying for the last 12 years. "Working on it", "getting closer", "it's going to be the best year ever", "Jesus-patch is just around the corner", "expedited delivery of content" ... it goes on and on. Seriously, look at letters, videos, and fan responses from 6 years ago and all of this same shit was being tossed around in the echo chamber. You could read that stuff with today's mindset and it is all perfectly applicable... 6 years later. They were talking about server meshing, faster development times, groundbreaking-never-seen-before technology and looking forward to the bright future 6 years ago. We even had a "feature complete" Squadron 42 WITH a release year back in 2016.
i think their Core Technology Group (CTG) is meant to represent things like the internal IT services and technologies not directly game related rather than being a seperate company itself.
The whole dynamic of CR and Star Citizen reminds me of George Lucas and making Star Wars... Both wouldn't exist without their creator's vision, but importantly, they would never suceed without the grounding affect of the insanely talented people who surround them.
I appreciate their desire to communicate with us their excitement.. but this letter does nothing positive for any of us... And they certainly mever should have mentioned 1.0 😅
As squadron features get implemented I guess we will finally see their game.
It would be fun if we could get dynamic missions where you have to find and salvage a crashed/destroyed ship and salvage it outside the standard contracts which would also be higher rewarded.
I like the idea of a busy spaceport where you need to queue to land just like an airport.
Specially with pirates around.
This letter is not for us. This is for the investors and the news outlets.
They should not allow Chris to speak. Also, just think how hard it is for them to convince Chris,They need more content.. So we kind of can just blame Chris because, obviously, his game sense is off.
As an outsider looking in I do feel a bit sorry for all the folks invested in SC when all they fill a whole page talking about Squandrens
A game u didn't want or ask for getting priority over sc
I had to stop playing. It is a fucked up company run by a dreamer with no one willing to hold him accountable. I think they are running out of money.
Every letter should have a 2 - 5 years estimate when read by the community. Although this year should be a decent year for core tech. Once all core tech is in, features will no longer have to be revamped and done over to include those tech. As they will be built with the tech from scratch, and that will significantly reduce tech debt going forward.
Exactly this year is the year that should allow them to start making this game they have been pitching.
Not sure why there is speculation about the overdrive. Was that recorded before the f7a thing? Clearly its talking about f7a and the rest is just fluff. At best. At worst CR wanted it to be in-game upgrade but marketing ate the event
IGN finally acknowledged the existence of Star Citizen
The hype of Squadron not yet being released is what keeps the funding coming ATM. They need to bridge the feature gap of the MMO PU side before Squadron is released. Basically, at Squadron release it goes two ways. 1. The hype leads further funding and development of the PU of it is able to keep up with releases and development to retain consistent playerbase. 2. The hype peaks then starts to drop after people complete Squadron and the PU isn't keeping up with a decade of hype and exited waiting. Bridging the feature gap and tech development prior to Squadron release puts CIG in a better state in the post Squadron world.
"pushing nudging player in directions" i recommend playing through Outer Wilds to any who haven't 35:56
"this game has more whales than your average..."
ocean.
How is server meshing jumping between servers? Wow did that back in 2004.
It's alot more than what you think it is. I'd say it's more closer to what Eve Online does, but at a vastly more detailed scale.
Space Tomato has a recent 13 minute video explaining it in detail called, "Server Meshing Will Fundamentally Change Star Citizen...Finally | This Is How."
I'd recommended giving it a watch.
I agree that salvage is very basic and not very engaging. I have gone looking for salvage many times, but whenever I pick something up on the scanner, I go there and nothing is to be found. So they really need to get that bug fixed.
Every year it’s something new 😂
What happened to Chris Robert’s brother?
He's propping up a bar [citizen] somewhere 😜
Pretty good context, I think you are one of the better context creators out there. I just find it amusing that you expect over eleven hundred people to make your dream game for free. Yet at the same time you parasite of their work to make money for yourself. Not only that, you are promoting some promoting products to make more money in the same videos you criticize CIG for doing the same. I’m not saying it’s wrong, just pointing out the paradox.
I'm concerned about their insistence on trying to go straight to release with skipping the whole beta phase. Once 'full release' is slapped on, this game is gonna be judged way differently than they're used to, as it should.
I think that's a good thing. They've become way too comfortable with crowing about playing their 'live service game' which is 'playable now' for years but then jumping back behind 'it's an alpha' when long standing game breaking bugs strike. It's a live service, or it's an alpha test, it's not both in the 12th year of development. Once they've been forced to stay in that lane they'll be forced to finally give QoL and basic bug fixes some attention rather than the fifth visual rework of something or gas tech v7.
@@RN1441They need a working game and the beginning of an idea on how the economy and player interactions will work to take that step. From my point of view they still have no clue about these crucial aspects of an online game...
At least we know what the upgrade is F7C to the F7A
SaltE - thank you for being respectful for the SC community and Your community also. Not behaving like a teenager being able to touch a breast with own hand in real life for the 1st time, like so many ppl do, hearing promises and plans.
Good video! GL in the 'verse!
@40:46 "they never actually share their vision of the game" - because there is none
The quote is NOT from Marcus Aurelius. People attribute it to him, but when studying the greek texts he wrote you realize he never said anything remotly like that.
So, who said it then? If you're going to make a statement like that, you should really fill in the blank you've created
@@MaxFlood84 I wish I could help you with that. It's probably from the movie Gladiator. Because you won't find it being used before that film came out.
Also is 1.0 the new name for 4.0? cause it sounds like it. If 1.0 is everything that's been promised even if its not on the board anymore that is over 100 years easily.
Clarity would be welcome. 4.0 sounds like it's part of the Alpha cycle and 1.0 the start of the Beta cycle, perhaps? Maybe someone reading comments knows for sure?
Chris is the DAD of spacedads
*“Full throated embrace”*
I introduce to you to the "Chris Filter"
I think they will do a citizen con announcement for game release in spring 2025. That’s typically a really good spot for AAA games that aren’t call of duty et cetera. Think horizon, zero dawn or breath of the wild.
The marketing plan would also then track with a lot of big publisher’s marketing rollouts - hit the marketing hard for six months and release.
Rich was first an actor team lead, then became a director (something about actors), then was moved to sq42 with his team - and that was his idea - then became the game director and redid a bunch of stuff. I believe he was probably cutting a lot of vague overambitious crap there. Now he's basically Chris right hand and I assume he will do the same - cut stuff out a lot. We already see that the designers basically get a greenlight to ignore old designs. Probably he's just on the same wavelength as Chris and thus he can cut stuff and keep Chris happy
At this point, I'm not sure 3.23 won't end up like 3.18.
Turbulent is a operate studio that works on more things than anything to do with CIG. Hence it's not a team
"In the coming weeks and months"
Hyyype
"Get ready for more tech preview tests"
Aaaand it's gone
Salte is right on point!
It's impossible for one server globally, because the light speed in optical fiber is too slow for that to work across the planet.
Pyro was a great highlight of the show
9:10
Well, if you think about it there's always going to be resources wasted, so if *everyone* goes salvaging instead of mining then in a economy you'll eventually find mining becoming more profitable.
You are assuming the resources (things to salvage) are finite. But are they?
Pick up a penguin!
After reading the letter, i took a few moments to check out what Mike jas to say.
I honestly feel like whatever we get going forward, is going to be a lot of fun to see it unveiled. Lets keep it real. We need critics like Mike. We need more Actual tangible GamePlay.
For now i am holding off on buying anything. Marketing department in this game is like a corruption..... F8 Lightning and F7 Hornet came out of left field for me & were Completely unnecessary and OVER PRICED.....
I hope things get better soon!
im hoping END game is more like an org taking over a Pyro and controlling it and keeping their base and buildings safe and making 100% profit on all the stuff the take a crew out to mine or slavage and protect the crew and come back to make more stuff and try and take over the market as best as SC lets them.. id like to see something like that come into the game sort of like eve online does in null sec space
Anyone know whether those UEE Civilian Defence Force stripes mentioned can be earned purely flying in and doing combat in ships and avoiding SC ground-based combat entirely? If anyone from CIG is reading this then know that SC ground combat is a total and utter turn-off: I got into SC to fly spaceships. If I want ground combat I have Warframe and even Destiny 2, despite all the nonsense around Bungie and anti-consumer practices.
Oh hell it looks like Org fleet battles are just round the corner i hope there is a way for them to see other players that are not in there Orgs as not enemy or be able to join one side of it at low level or we will better get out of there way.😂
Can’t tell you how many people I know that don’t like Mike.
I’m wiser to understand that it isn’t that they don’t like Mike. They don’t like the listen to or recognize the reality of fact and enjoy living in their own bubble. Snowflakes perhaps. I don’t get ajida from this. This is informative and above all honesty. Truth is something we all lack these days.
@17:50 Gee it's too bad they advertised a SQ42 beta as something we would get if we paid in to the project no less than six or seven times. Before that they even told people they'd get SQ42 alpha access if they backed the kickstarter. Excusing CIG 'changing their mind' because they don't feel like delivering what they pitched even after they've received more than 10x the money they swore they needed to do it all is exactly what enables their sleazy behavior. If you keep being an apologist for the bait and switch, I'll just hope that it doesn't happen to features you cared about when you were giving them money.
What I'm genuinely curious to know about your experience is in jumping from one server to the next was, were you able to tell the difference between that jump and a loading transition akin to Mass Effect's elevator scenes?
As an aside, the whole part about Papy? The way it reads hovers way too close to Chris trying to justify firing Papy for circumstances outside of Papy's control- never mind how pivotal Papy is/was to the project. Everything about this year's Letter from the Chairman felt almost as vile as the "Chairman" himself.
Sheesh! Some of these cats in your chat are beyond naive or are some serious copium addicts.
5 years to 1.0 is a pipe dream unless CIG axes most of the promised features and content of Star Citizen.
Alien races, player homes with customizable interiors, crafting, universe economy, faction wars, player run space stations, Pioneer and base building, AI server blades, revamped flight models including atmospheric flight, law system, bounty hunting, mining final tier, passenger flights, VIP shuttling, in game racing teams and leagues, in game news reporting, EARTH landing zone, node territorial guild conflicts, the down from 100 to just a dozen or so hand crafted planetary solar systems with settlements/ towns and ROADS system, CAPITAL SHIPS, the remainder of all unreleased ships left in the back log.
5 years??? At the speed this company implements things. You're joking right?!
Try 10+ years.
Dude they have not achieved server meshing, they have not completed and delivered server meshing, they demoed a half baked kinda player handover tech.
Amazing what happens when 90% of your dev team are not off on a pointless side quest (SQ42).
But, seriously, with everything the PU has missed, the solo game has such a small chance of actually being worth the wait :/
an endgame is still a long ways off. little choices could still steer end result in very different directions... yes, it's an MMO, but MMO is a term that describes the number of people on a server, not game mechanics. just realizing this could vastly change how "raids" work. it's a survival based FPS RPG with vehicles that is an MMO on a scale and amount of detail that's unheard of...
the term sandbox can be misunderstood. Gary's Mod is a sandbox, but that's not what a sandbox specifically is... the toys in the sandbox can be defined along with different games that can be played and how they are played. the players are just allowed to move about freely with no real goal, unless they want to play with the toys and by rules of the sandbox. what is base building, if not jumping into someone's sandbox and making a sandcastle? Gary's Mod sandbox rules just allow people to make and add their own objects and has no universe scenario to build a RPG backstory.
the thing that will really make it feel different will be the addition of more RPG aspects, like skill/physique progression, property ownership, functioning R&R hotels. making the cities more like cities with more traversable areas, buildings with interiors, and apartments would make a huge difference... especially if more low level contracts are offered. there is still a lot of stuff leading up to really being able to do that, though.
I just can't stand Chris Roberts throwing out out-of-space excuses for things that only come down to him having literally 0 game design skills.
"We needed to test this in a live situation", "we couldn't have known this wouldn't work". Gosh, IF ONLY SOMEONE HAD VISION AND WOULD HAVE PLANNED SOME OF THESE THINGS IN ADVANCE LIKE A HALF COMPETENT GAME DESIGNER WOULD. IF ONLY THE LEAD HAD ANY IDEA OF WHAT HE'S ASKING FROM HIS TEAMS EVEN MEANS.
This guy infuriates me.
Joke is on us "Star Citizen 1.0" is actually a rollback. lol I think the stuff that they've been working on for the past several years will get spread across patches, not all in one patch.
live service in a nutshell
wait ppl still take SC seriously ?
CIG's expectation for the timeline of "Coming up next", is a lot longer than many players expectations. The replication layer is definitely 'next', just not in a timeframe we'd all hope.
Chris is a dev, this downgrade was a little unfair.
"enough content" jesus crhist man, where`s my content, give me a reason to play. I wish they did more like Helldivers 2 devs and gave out free stuff we can earn in game, not new ships we can buy or spend more $! I`ve allready spent 800 on this "game" and i am not spending a dime more. We want a meaningful experience not full of players desyncing and lagging all over the place. AI that actually works and rare items all players can find/earn in game for free. So sick of these damn letters
Thank you Mike. Almost a year of death. 3.18 was abysmal. But let’s move on. This is a great start
For me, if they can show that they will reduce drastically or remove the ship store out of the game, so the game can be the game, this will tell me, in that roadmap of 1.0, that its going to be the best game.
Sq42 next year will have no chance against GTA 6.... no way chris roberts will be that dumb...
Those are two completely different demos and GTA online is unlikely to come out at the same time so it’s very plausible for people to play both if they wanted. Now if the game struggles at launch that could be problematic
Writing personally, I have zero interest in any GTA games but gravitate to titles with a scifi/space element ranging from Warframe to Destiny 2 to Elite Dangerous to No Man's Sky to Space Engineers to Squadron 42 and am willing to bet many other SC backers are similar in profile. Data may disprove this or prove it but it's unlikely CIG will give access to those data.
You are right, but GTA is a pop culture that is too big, no one knows about Sq42 besides us that are fans or are founding the project.... It will hurt too much the sales of Sq42.. @@Nick-cs4oc
Papa Chris wrote us a letter !!
The floodgates are truly open now!
stargate kree! economy endgame :) tony z and we got other races in their territory etc
Love you Mike, but you chose to side with the dark side and become a sith, I am still on the jedi path. Being here since before we even had a hangar, seeing progress year after year, letting them cook.
More seriously though, your passion for the game far surpasses mine and is why I'm a fan and like watching your content. It sucks that they've made false promises in the past, but personally I've always referenced the state of the PU and the tech to assess where they are at rather than words. These days I see PES, server meshing and jump gates are working along lots of other features, and most importantly the game is fun to play even though it has zero fu**ing progression to it yet.
Instead of telling new people to look to the past I encourage you to look past the past and focus on the magical times we have ahead.
Nah buddy…people aren’t only black and white. But people on the internet like to make it that way.
guarantee you SQ42 will be $80. I'd bet my BMM on it lol CIG see other games getting away with that price point and will deem SQ42 worth it.
This is why I come here. Mike cuts through all the fluff and lets me know about actual progress. I still like the project especially the actual dev work, but these letters and marketing hype just feel dirty after all of these years. I know it is how they have to make money, but I don't have to like it.
Mining is absolutely great. Salvaging is fine in my mind. Hammerheads are less common now. Pirates and griefers hang around outside Grim killing reclaimers, so no more quick 20 min runs producing millions.
cr is retired
HAS THIS BEEN IN DEVELOPMENT FOR 10 YEARS NOW? Glad I got my refund years ago.
Why not just rename it Star Citizen Alpha, and call it a day ? Kinda sounds like a cool tittle actually. Has a certain...je ne sais quoi 😂
All this talk. All
This BS and not a hint, not a word, not a spec of anything related to when are we getting back to MULTIPLAYER! Our ships and its seats and positions, it’s literally one of, if not the largest topic there is due to the type of game this is. And nothing but silence. Literally now for almost two years, ever since it was broken and they just removed it all.
You couldn’t do this either without your community supporting you.
I don’t tell talk tales about what I’m offering. My service is showing up everyday…theirs is to deliver a game. How can you make this comparison?
@@saltemikereacts I mean what is he supposed to say? My point is of course he is going to thank his community for allowing him to make this game, just like you and every other streamer thanks their communities who pay the bills. The Star Citizen community are some of the whiniest bunch of people I have ever met lol, and this isn’t a direct target of you btw just in general.
Mike, you dish out the salt, expect to take a little in return ;)
@@saltemikereactslately your content feels less critical but actually kinda hateful… i prefered you when you were hyped about the new stuff and tried to make the best out of facts while beeing realistic. Now its just hating and bad-talking everything that happens…
@@fabilord98Lol, watch Bored Gamer then. He's on the payroll so he can't even criticize the game.
Mike’s content is free. Big difference.
Words are cheap
None of it matters unless the PVP matters 😊 it's been a cool ride and things are coming together because the single player game is pretty much done. Now CIG can focus on the multiplayer side of things, since it sounds like the single player portion is looking good.
Wouldn't end game be tying together all professions that are in game. and that cant be done until the professions are fully developed, and I truly hope they aren't fully developed, cause they are bad as it is.
Roadmap roadmap roadmap roadmap roadmap!!!! The most useless thing in star citizen!
i dont care about their letters, about their words, i dont trust them no more since a loooooot of years ago. they want my attention? show REAL gameplay
you don't care about the letters, but you watch this video to have uncle Salt help you with the reading. GG
@@patrikadolfsson121only worth buying SC was to follow salty man, gave me nice content through the years.
more gameplay = bugs There for sure star citizen wins in my book , game that put beteshda bugs to a shame
Everybody knows griefing is end game content
You do such a great job of killing any enthusiasm. I'll come back to SC in a year. You should find a different job and detach yourself from SC man, you just seethe anger dude, not healthy for the mind. Otherwise ... mildly descent and balanced opinions.
For a dude that’s constantly negative and critical you sure don’t seem to respond well to negativity or criticism. But it is the most entertaining thing about your channel so honestly don’t change 😂
For me anything else than 100 star systems in the release 1.0 is a scam. Anyone can say "its not fair" but no one forced CR and Team to promise on those 100 star systems and on top promise more and more and more and even more. This is what people have pledged for and not delivering it within a reasonable time frame, which they already have exceeded is a big sc4m. What I have heard is that they will "skip" beta, so 1.0 will be beta. When CIG releases 1.0 they will face reality and they will definitely want back the "shitst0rms"from today, because what will come will far exceed that.
so, an entitled youtuber and twitcher shits on the years worth of work of hundreds of people, because he had a bad experience waiting for a game... or what is this whole format all about?
lmao humongous facepalm
Quite frankly I found SalteMike’s comments about CR so rude today and wrong that I have unsubscribed.
Bye
Cya
Make sure you buy an Idris on your way out. Keep the dream alive.
This was not even close to being rude. That's just the daily dose of salt. Come watch some streams, you'll get used to it 😅
P.S. after 12 years of BS (in some areas, not 100% of them) there is nothing left but salt when they treat you the same way as in precious years, not learning from your mistakes at all...
CR is quite frankly the reason we have this game and the vision of the game. To say any of the devs have these attributes is bogus. SalteMike, I know this is your realm to deliver constructive criticism, but saying you don’t understand the game isn’t doing you any favours.
He is both, he is also the reason why we don't have a practical game. None of us understand the game because CIG doesn't even know what the vision of the game is going to be. It should be obvious that they are making it up as they go.
Argument of bringing people who don't enjoy the game in is kind of bogus as you framed it. CIG had a huge and very loyal target audience from the beginning - that's how they got to this point. They only tap into a small part of that audience because the game is incomplete - but it is clear that this vague idea of the game have invited enough people so even a small percentage of those is enough for them to continue funding.
It is true that CIG constantly tries to tap into other audiences as well - but that's not because business. In fact its pretty bad business - they are overselling the game to multiple broad incompatible audiences just because they can't develop the game to the point where a larger percentage of the original audience will play the game.
That's why they can't tell the vision - they sit on multiple incompatible audiences and they rely on those vague nods at everything for their marketing. If they'll actually tell what they are making they'll lose a large chunk of their audience
i think your cynicalness and "saltyness" is making you read into things incorrectly or automatically putting a negative spin on them . We get it the game has been in dev for ages but to claim they "havent made shit" or arent making obvious and observable progress is just bad faith good example is going off on a tangent about "large" patch and assuming thats 3.23 level every 12 weeks if they spend 12 weeks fixing the economy and some quality of life stuff then move on to 12 weeks implementing mission content along with hopefully multi server meshing so ai actually works then we have a game and its not all to unlikely as as you said you have in fact experienced a successful server mesh hand off so the tech is working the future is possibly not as bleak as you seem intent on wallowing in.
You must be new. Welcome.
so what have they made? Reclaimer mechanic was "made" but grossly overestimated during concept and was fundementally changed...... shocker. PES flat out broke the game for 2-3 major patches...... all because of dog management which they basically admitted to in there monthly reports about it. we still dont have half the ships that are still in concept phase because "tech isnt ready" and "oh lets rework many ships to gold standard instead of i dunno working on the new stuff"
like im not even sure how you or anyone can defend the level of developement this project has had and has so little to show for it. they have over 1200 staff, have the HIGHEST self funded budget in the industry and they barely have any of the promised stuff now. not saying it wont be finished but people are going to have a reality check when those "mechanics" are going to be mind numbingly watered down its gunna be fun to watch a projecty as big as this financially fail after release.
Christ they needed an F8C event to get them being in the black and shocker.... we got another token event.
He is permanently locked into this game because it’s his career and hobby. His brand is saltiness and he appeals to that audience. He plays it non stop so his view of progress is slower, as his view is repeating the same half-baked content over and over before it’s been wrapped into a production level experience, which is precisely what this letter is saying they are going to attempt.
As an older guy nearing the end of the allotted "three score and ten years" on this Earth, I just want CIG to deliver SQ42 and SC while I'm still here to experience them. Get a blinkin' move on, CIG.
just stop please just stop.
Bratwurst. ❤ to Lola