As it's supposed to be an introductory video for those who don't know, I'd like to really correct something that is just not addressed properly: a NAS is just storage. That's it. It's not a backup, most certainly not a cloud backup. It is possible to backup the content of your NAS. I would even recommend that you do so (on another location ideally, in the cloud if you want). Also, redundant storage (if you use your disks ina RAID array) is just "slightly safer" storage. It certainly does not replace a backup and does not allow you to retrieve older/different content for example. So yes use a NAS. If you use a NAS with disks in a RAID array, it is slightly safer, but always, always backup your data. Data in one location only pretty much equals to data lost in case of trouble.
also, as an additional point, a NAS does not have to be up-front expensive or loud, even though I would agree that most mainstream solutions like Synology, QNAP, etc. are indeed expensive and loud.
Great video again, thank you! Can you specify the difference between the OS SSD an the project SSD? I did not really get, why you don’t edit your Project on the OS SSD an then Move it to the archives
Got yourself a new subscriber here after watching just two of your videos. You do such a great job explaining products their functions and recommendations. I don't have any experience or background in computers but I will be building my PC and saving for a NAS. Over the years i am paying more for cloud services anyway and getting less
Thanks for this info! Would there be any benefit for me getting a Seagate Firecuda 530 4TB Pci 4.0 ($900) over a Sabrent Rocket 4TB PCI 3.0 ($650 )for my media/project files/Dropbox drive? I will also have a separate drive (fast m.2 4.0) for my boot/OS disk, and another drive (fast m.2 4.0) for my cache/scratch files. I want to maximize performance (including scrubbing on the timeline in Davinci), but don’t want to waste $250 if the extra speed from Firecuda will just be wasted. I’m a professional creator with a good system (5950x, 64gb ram, x570 motherboard, etc.) and I will be editing 4k 30fps footage, with effects such as grading transitions, fusion, sometimes multiple video sources, and b-roll-etc. for UA-cam! Thanks for any help!
Four items: 1) The speed of SSDs (both NVMe and SATA) vary, and perhaps wildly. Why? All consumer SSDs are hybrids of sorts. Here is what I mean: SSDs store your data in their NAND cells. There are 4 types of NAND cells. From fastest to slowest: -- SLC (single layer cells) -- MLC (multi layer cells -- I wish that they would have named it dual layer cells) -- TLC (triple layer cells) -- QLC (quadruple layer cells) Nearly all SSDs have a small portion of SLC (perhaps 10% of the drive). So since 99% of the time, 99% of the people never exceed that 10% of the drive in a single writing session, their drive runs super fast. And when the drive is not busy, it off-loads that data into its slower cells (it does that in the background). And those slower cells (especially QLC) are snails, compared to the SLC section of the drive. If you ever write enough data to your SSD, without rest, and you fill up the SLC section, then lower end drives will slow to a crawl. High end consumer SSDs will also slow down, but will still be fast. There are enterprise level SSDs that are made of 100% SLC. They never slow down. They also cost 10x the price. 2) The speed ratings you see from the manufacturers are based strictly on the SLC section of the drive. Purchase an inexpensive SSD, and when its cache gets full, it could slow down to USB 2.0 speeds (like, 25MB/s). It will speed up, again, when it has enough time to transfer the data from the SLC to the QCL. If you run a benchmark, with only 5GB of data, then you are testing only the SLC section of the drive. Run the same test with 250GB of data, and it will take ½ of forever on lower end drives. And instead of seeing 3,500 MB/s results, you will probably see 35MB/s results (as that will be the average, when the test involves the drive's QLC). 3) Beware of scams on Amazon and elsewhere. When you see a 16TB SSD for $69, it is a scam. If you plug it in, it will display 16TB of storage space. But you will probably have only 16GB or 32GB of actual storage space. And your computer will not know when that drive runs out of space. Your files will simply get overwritten, and you will find out when you try to use one of those files. By the time you discover that the drive is a phony, your refund return window will have closed. 4) The three highest performing NVMe SSDs, that will never slow down (in any meaningful way), are: A) Samsung 990 Pro. B) SK hynix Platinum P41 C) WD Black SN850X Be careful when making the above purchases. Carefully check the model names. Manufacturers use similar model names that differ by very little, but the actual drives will perform very differently. The above order is not a rating. I do not know which one is best. And short of running benchmark tests, you will not notice any difference in their performance. Get whichever one is priced the best.
I have many loose mobile sd cards filled with photos taken with our Samsung mobiles and need to be put on a device.. And I know zilch, zero, nada about technology but your video has been the most helpful so far. Thank you!
Thank you so much for your generosity, Good Sir! Super helpful, detailed, and concise information. I'm a fellow creator with 6 SSDs/HDDs in my tower, and I am the one you were talking about when you said, "Which drive did I store that on?!" I've been wanting/knowing that I need to upgrade to a NAS for a long time, and this has helped tremendously...and HUGE props to you for mentioning the other creators' (Max and Matthew) videos to help us out further. Cheers!
Thanks for listing the pros and cons of each. It still seems a bit overwhelming in that there will always come a point where we will run out of storage. What do you recommend as the best way to manage videos on the iPhone, especially if you don’t want to increase iCloud storage?
My dude speaks facts at a good speed! Def good advice! I've just started looking into the NAS storage, I've been working on pc and mac for a long time and have a firecuda 4tb that I backup everything to like a Archive/Home. On MAC I have a 512 SSD that I work on and a 2TB ext (journaled_4mac) for video/music storage On PC I have a 1 TB sabrent internal SSD and a 1TB stock internal HDD that I use the same way as the mac ssd and external drive. Lastly I have a 1 TB external HDD that I keep formated exFat for transferring or working in both Mac and PC. I was thinking of getting a 1TB external SSD to take the place of the 1TB ext HDD I use for transfer and both systems. That's when I came across the NAS storage and now I have reconsidered my options. My drives are filling and I got to do something tho, once the firecuda filled up I had to start storing master files on the external HDD which I'm not a fan of so I have also been keeping a copy of those files on other drives and yeah its been a big pain in the ass. I either need another firecuda (prolly a 8TB this time) or the NAS storage or my head is going to explode trying to remember what files are on what drives!!! 🤯 Oh I also have 1TB Google drive that just canceled cause after 5 years it had just become a mess of files and crap! Lol
Not sure if you covered it. NAS units need to be populated with NAS ready hard drives. Do not use normal desktop drives in them. Also 4 bay and 8 bay+ NAS units will need different drives again. Higher end drives are ideally to be used in larger NAS units due to the vibrations caused by the number of drives in them.
Thank you for this great and informative video! Your explanation of a NAS is awesome. I recently tried a QNAP NAS, but I live in a tiny studio and the thing HAD to live in the same room and it was quite loud, especially for a hyper noise-sensitive/ semi-neurotic person like me! lol It also made lots of noise while idle as well, which was disappointing, since of course I would tolerate the noise while working , but not when I am sitting around and had to hear all kinds of gurgles and disk noises 24/7. Sadly I returned it and will get one when I move out to a bigger place, shove it in some closet or attic. But yes, I totally see the benefits over all, makes sense. Meanwhile, I sucked it up and bought several SSDs. It was expensive but my sanity is worth it. And I really like your workflow by the way, I will try it out sans the NAS.
I bought a 2 bay QNAP NAS drive while ago... after selling my PC, I have bought a 4 bay expansion TR-004 which I can use as a DAS (basically external drive) and once I am finished with movieg files, I can move it to the cabinet and plug it in to my NAS. I can connect the DAS via usb-c 10gbps without the need of having 10gbe compatible router/switch/adapter
Hey I have all the parts for my pc coming this week. I'm building your budget editing pc, I bought everything you suggested. I have a m.2 512gb for programs, a 1TB WD ssd & a 4TB Barracuda for storage. Any chance you'll have a video on fitting the ssd & Barracuda drives into your budget editing PC? I'm sure I'll figure it out but would prefer to watch you do it first. The only reason I'm building a PC is because of your great build video, so well explained for total first timers like myself. Massive fan of your stuff. (I also just bought the viltrox studio lights that you suggested 😅)
Another point is if you need the nas network functionality without it being your primary archive, there are 1 or 2 Bay NAS units which will add that connectivity for much less than a full feature 4-6 bay nas.
Amazing video. Thank you so much. If going the portable route, do I edit AND set up scratch disks and or cache on the portable ssd as well? Or should I have a portable ssd for project files/editing on and another separate for cache and or scratch disks
Can you do a video where you can do a simple project and show us step by step real world view of you doing the steps? Appreciate you work and information.
Great Video and got me thinking. I use a 2011 iMac for music production and would like to figure out a better storage solution then multiply external drives. The other issue is I only have USB (original) and/thunderbolt 1. Would a NAS system work for accessing files directly in real time and connect via Ethernet port? One cable to one box instead of a dongle to dongle etc... Thx
My question is - so I have m1 mac mini which is gonna run 1. OS and software. 2. I HAVE 500GB Kingston ssd for cache. 3. For project files should I buy a 500gb Kingston ssd or NVME? Does the speed matters for project files storage for video editing and how?
no this is very exiting, if i can increase my storage from my measly 2tb to 5tb relatively cheaply and effectively i will be less stressed when editing
If you are making profits with content creation highly suggest get a NAS to work off centrally, and backup the NAS off site or the cloud. Test your backup recovery method.
With the non NAS setup how do you keep backups? For example I keep two copies of all of my videos that I shoot. In my Tower I have 4 extra bays and can put in multiple seagate drives which seems to be the least expensive solution for maintaining two separate copies each on different drives. thoughts? By the way my editing workflow is constructed like yours as when I built my computer I followed one of your videos
DAVINCI 17.1 has proxy feature. QUESTION!!! 1st storage is OS 2nd SSD is for cache 3rd SSD is for Media project files. My question is where should i save my proxy files?? with cache SSD or Media project SSD?? PLEASE REPLY.
i do dropbox 3TB + big storage on 2 machines. Work directly on my dropbox folder ( so 2 machines always have current projects locally) and auto-version saving on dropbox. This is fairly expensive so i may switch to a full NAS soon as its very risk to depend on a 3rd party company with my files.
Thanks for the videos. I recently watched your video about choosing the GPU. And I decided to buy 3060 ti 8gb. But now I'm confused 😕. I am editing 4k videos in premiere pro. I decided to buy these: i7 12700k 32 gb ddr4 Gpu ??? 3060 12gb or 3060 ti 8gb 3080 is above my budget. For one month I'm looking for these kind of videos. And you're the best. Thanks again.
What do you recommend for my I have got iPhone 125 gb so if I record video on I phone my phone has not enough storage so what I do after recoding my video I save the video on hard drive so in this way I can make more space for iPhone and when I need the recorded video I am going back to hard drive and i breng it back to iPhone after that I upload the video to my UA-cam channel. So I bought an hard drive SanDisk which has two options one I can plugged on iPhone and the another one is for computer it is very handy but what I have problem my SanDisk burn so I can’t use it anymore. My question is that which kind hard drive is accessible for IPhone and computer I mean while I am saving video on iPhone I am gone s save it to hard drive and computer so I need something for iPhone and computer
Very great video, thank you very much for all the details! I have a question for you: why have you chosen the fastest NVMe for the OS/Apps instead of choosing it for Cache? The cheaper setup would be using a M.2 PCIe 3.0 for your System and applications, and a M.2 slot Gen 4.0 for the Cache. Am I right? I would be pleased to read your answer!
Well I'm using the Pcie 4.0 for os and Programs because it has better random read and write speeds. Now it's probably not a massive difference, but I want my OS and programs to run as fast as possible. :)
@@theTechNotice Great, thank you very much for your answer! I will do the same then. I have read in my Vision D-P user manual that « PCIE x4 slot becomes available when a device is installed in the M2B_SB connector. » : did you have any bottleneck on the PCIEx4 slot (M2A_CPU) as the other slot M.2 was used? I was a bit surprised with this info, I think I am not understanding it correctly.
@@noctiluque Hi, maybe it's a bit late but wanted to let you know anyways. Motherboards with B550 chipset shares bandwidths with some slots. It means that, in your case, if you plug an m2 drive in your second slot (M2B), your PCIEX4 will be unavailable. This PCIEX4 is your third large PCI slot that is located at the bottom of your motherboard, not your M2A slot (which supports PCIe 4.0, this is another thing, which might lead to confusion).
I have another very important question? So I edit in 4k on M1 mac mini on DaVinci. It starts to get laggy after I add color effects.(so I optimize media and even then sometime it lags with background rendering on.) People are recommending to convert to PRORES then edit on DaVinci. Do you recommend any software for multiple clips pro res conversion? Or do u have another solution. Please reply. Thank You
You could just use Davinci to do that. Make a timeline with all of your clips and export them in native resolution to your desired prores variant (depending on your natives bit rate). Resolve is actually a pretty powerful transcoding device. Other than that adobes media encoder is pretty nice too, but not for batch transcodes
Greetings, another great video. What about the nvme you are using for OS+program, what would be the difference if i use a sata ssd there? It's not a budget issue but i wonder if i could give this nvme slot a better use instead...
When you export a final video from Prem Pro, do you export to the SSD Project Drive first then move it to the HDD Storage drive? Or export directly to the HDD Storage Drive? Thanks in advance you’re awesome!
Great video! I just have one question, so you talked about Nas storage, and how it could be an option to edit with. Would that be better than a NVME SSD like the 970 EVO? Also, is it possible to have an external drive without any other internal drive?
Not sure what the read/write speeds are on the 970 evo, but yeah in theory it could be faster. I know the one I was mentioning max uses gets 3300mb/s read-write, which is ridiculous! And yes, Nas can be used without any internal drives. As long as you have the OS drive, nas plugs in via ethernet and you can see it on your file explorer. (I think that's what you asked? 🤔)
@@theTechNotice Yeah that is what I was asking about! But how do hard drives get to 3300mb/s? Especially without RAID 10, if you only have 2 drives. I guess Nas would be a better option then, since the 970 EVO only has 2700 write and 3500 read.
I personally think cache drive is fine 500GB, project drive at least 1TB and 1TB os drive, plus the archive HDD-s. That's what I'm running currently :)
Also thanks so much for these videos! Perfect timing for this one. Bought parts based off your previous videos and now im just waiting for them to come
I need to know why and how you used cach drive separately.. What is the cach? And how it works on editing? It actually need another drive? Or i can do it on project drive.. Plz ans me.. And plz make a real life editing and working overflow..
@@theTechNotice thanks bro. Love from Bangladesh .. And i see ur videos 1.5 years continues , and i love ur content over the others creators, learn about ram, ssd, cach latency, cooler gpu and so many.. And i want to build up ur last 12 gen bt 12700k and 3060ti bcz i want some gaming and streaming performance .. Thanks bro u take my heart seriously
Can you partition the main drive (OS + Programs) and use that partition as the cache drive? What's the ideal amount of storage you need for a cache drive? EDIT: Never mind, I asked this question before finishing the video and then saw that you mentioned bottlenecks if you use the same drive for different things.
nice video....very true when it comes to pc BUT you can do this but not on laptop. I have a similar set up for my PC 240 Gb NVme for OS and Programs, 240 GB SSD for active projects and data, 1TB internal HDD (secured from an old laptop) for Cache Which get wiped after every project 1TB HDD for Data storage And for Laptop ... 1 tb internal hdd 1tb internal ssd (For OS, Programs, Project file and data) 1tb external hdd (ONLY FOR CACHE) which is a 2nd hand 500gb laptop hdd put in a case (connected via USB 2.0) And 4 tb external HDD for Archives 500 GB SSD Samsung T5 for my BMPCC 4k 3 x 1 TB HDD's External for on location shoot back up Things collected over 5 years...best Idea for budget users is to salvage old (SATA) HDD's and use it as a scratch disk
@@theTechNotice enterprise SSDs - yes, they do get better. Consumer ones quite the contrary: they tend to pack more bits per cell, which lowers both cost and longevity
As an archive solution they're great. You don't tend to rewrite your archive very often so they should remain reliable for much longer... they are quite expensive though in large sizes.
My setup ×Editing on 120gb ssd m.2 ×After editing is done move to 5tb hdd and Google drive After 2 month or more when i know i am not gonna need original folder in my editing pc so i delete them from my pc (no game on ssd btw, loading game fast will make me unproductive)
For me i have and ARCHIVE NAS, wich i sometimes copy past some project that are useful as "template" -> SSD for work -> Copy on Nas and dropbox everything. Things is, its a TOTAL mess lol
Hi, I know this is the wrong video lol but im building the budget 6k pc you recommend it but i need a motherboard that has at least 1 usb type c, would tou have any recommendations that work with all of the other parts?? Thank you
Agreed. Nice and informative video. For me, the only minus is on the confusion between redundancy of storage with backup. Rest is really nice and simply explained.
Your second suggestion is horrible. How come you don't mentioned RAID's? I recommend checking out DSLR Shooter's Storage Flow or Scott McKenna who is a paid corporate filmmaker.
NAS stands for Network Attached Storage not Network Attached System. Qnap are excellent NAS and Synology are too. I’ve used a Qnap 8 bay NAS for years never let me down and always updated by Qnap. Where people often go wrong with Nas is not using proper Nas hard-drives made for the job to run 24/7 people cheap out and use standard hard-drives and wonder why they have drive failures. Also always run in raid with redundancy so if drive fails you don’t loose your data raid 5 or raid 10 I run raid 5. SSD’s are way better than hard-drives in terms of performance, energy use and no moving parts but their is still a question over how long data can be left on a ssd long term with out the data being corrupted where hard-drives can be left almost indefinitely without data loss but ssd’s are getting better all the time and are the future of storage. They will come down in price now the next generation gaming consoles are ssd based this will help drop prices. Also with a Nas if your looking for the best performance you should link aggregate you Ethernet connections if your router supports it or run through a managed switch then the router you can almost double your speed doing this. Nas drives are incredibly reliable when running in raid, yes a drive can fail but this is very rare if using Nas specific disks but with raid you just swap out and replace the failed drive and you don’t loose your data. You can set them up as cloud storage also and using your own Nas for both storage and your own cloud storage this will always be safer and more secure than storing your data externally with a 3rd party.
I can't believe I wrote Network Attached System 🙈 You know when you're thinking something, and then write something completely different LOL! yes, I agree with what you've said and great points made! "Also with a Nas if your looking for the best performance you should link aggregate you Ethernet connections if your router supports it or run through a managed switch then the router you can almost double your speed doing this." - I'd like to know how to do that, that's very interesting! :)
Tech Notice Easy done mate, people think this UA-cam stuff is easy but it’s not I’m finding this out as I’m trying to build my channel. Your channel a great inspiration to me and to works towards. Keep up the excellent work 😄👍
Typical data transfer speeds range from 3MB/s to 20MB/s for consumer level NAS devices. Transfer speed to/from a NAS is so slow for big or numerous files ! So for me it's not fast at all. you can not work directly on a file which is on your NAS
My WD passport portable drive where I keep all my photos, edit videos and drone videos just went bad. My pc couldn’t recognize it no more. I tried figuring out a way to recover all my data watching UA-cam videos but ended up wiping all my data. I was even making a real estate video but lost everything. It was months worth of videos. Now I have to tell him I can’t make his video. Now here I am…
SSD is faster ... doesn't matter, because you're not keeping an OS or gaming. You're just storing Data. SSD is durable and portable ... doesn't matter, you don't walk around with your NAS. You hook it up to the internet and have access to it from anywhere. SSD is silent .. .Today's HDD are actually fairly silent, compared to 10 years ago HDD. It just sits in a box. It doesn't have to sit next to you. You can put it in a closet. So the only thing that matters in the end is cost.
You could suggest some other channels because Max isn't much knowledgeable about these stuffs, even doesn't have some basic ideas of PC building.. Since he is an Apple guy so it's common..
@@theTechNotice Could be but I never saw much of his knowledge.. Check out his Mac Pro vs PC video,, Check out how many people found his errors about his ideas and knowledge about build a pc..
Moving compartments! 😂🙈
Yeah, those will get your attention once they start moving about!!!! 👀
You single handedly answered all the questions that have been bugging me for the past week! Thanks!
Happy to help!
You’re so underrated bro loved this sm
Thanks Josh! :)
As it's supposed to be an introductory video for those who don't know, I'd like to really correct something that is just not addressed properly: a NAS is just storage. That's it. It's not a backup, most certainly not a cloud backup. It is possible to backup the content of your NAS. I would even recommend that you do so (on another location ideally, in the cloud if you want). Also, redundant storage (if you use your disks ina RAID array) is just "slightly safer" storage. It certainly does not replace a backup and does not allow you to retrieve older/different content for example.
So yes use a NAS. If you use a NAS with disks in a RAID array, it is slightly safer, but always, always backup your data. Data in one location only pretty much equals to data lost in case of trouble.
also, as an additional point, a NAS does not have to be up-front expensive or loud, even though I would agree that most mainstream solutions like Synology, QNAP, etc. are indeed expensive and loud.
100% agree and sorry if that wasn't reflected on the video! ☺
Great video again, thank you! Can you specify the difference between the OS SSD an the project SSD? I did not really get, why you don’t edit your Project on the OS SSD an then Move it to the archives
Got yourself a new subscriber here after watching just two of your videos. You do such a great job explaining products their functions and recommendations. I don't have any experience or background in computers but I will be building my PC and saving for a NAS. Over the years i am paying more for cloud services anyway and getting less
Thanks for this info! Would there be any benefit for me getting a Seagate Firecuda 530 4TB Pci 4.0 ($900) over a Sabrent Rocket 4TB PCI 3.0 ($650 )for my media/project files/Dropbox drive? I will also have a separate drive (fast m.2 4.0) for my boot/OS disk, and another drive (fast m.2 4.0) for my cache/scratch files. I want to maximize performance (including scrubbing on the timeline in Davinci), but don’t want to waste $250 if the extra speed from Firecuda will just be wasted.
I’m a professional creator with a good system (5950x, 64gb ram, x570 motherboard, etc.) and I will be editing 4k 30fps footage, with effects such as grading transitions, fusion, sometimes multiple video sources, and b-roll-etc. for UA-cam! Thanks for any help!
Four items:
1)
The speed of SSDs (both NVMe and SATA) vary, and perhaps wildly. Why?
All consumer SSDs are hybrids of sorts. Here is what I mean:
SSDs store your data in their NAND cells. There are 4 types of NAND cells. From fastest to slowest:
-- SLC (single layer cells)
-- MLC (multi layer cells -- I wish that they would have named it dual layer cells)
-- TLC (triple layer cells)
-- QLC (quadruple layer cells)
Nearly all SSDs have a small portion of SLC (perhaps 10% of the drive).
So since 99% of the time, 99% of the people never exceed that 10% of the drive in a single writing session, their drive runs super fast. And when the drive is not busy, it off-loads that data into its slower cells (it does that in the background). And those slower cells (especially QLC) are snails, compared to the SLC section of the drive.
If you ever write enough data to your SSD, without rest, and you fill up the SLC section, then lower end drives will slow to a crawl. High end consumer SSDs will also slow down, but will still be fast.
There are enterprise level SSDs that are made of 100% SLC. They never slow down. They also cost 10x the price.
2)
The speed ratings you see from the manufacturers are based strictly on the SLC section of the drive.
Purchase an inexpensive SSD, and when its cache gets full, it could slow down to USB 2.0 speeds (like, 25MB/s). It will speed up, again, when it has enough time to transfer the data from the SLC to the QCL.
If you run a benchmark, with only 5GB of data, then you are testing only the SLC section of the drive.
Run the same test with 250GB of data, and it will take ½ of forever on lower end drives. And instead of seeing 3,500 MB/s results, you will probably see 35MB/s results (as that will be the average, when the test involves the drive's QLC).
3)
Beware of scams on Amazon and elsewhere.
When you see a 16TB SSD for $69, it is a scam.
If you plug it in, it will display 16TB of storage space. But you will probably have only 16GB or 32GB of actual storage space. And your computer will not know when that drive runs out of space. Your files will simply get overwritten, and you will find out when you try to use one of those files. By the time you discover that the drive is a phony, your refund return window will have closed.
4)
The three highest performing NVMe SSDs, that will never slow down (in any meaningful way), are:
A) Samsung 990 Pro.
B) SK hynix Platinum P41
C) WD Black SN850X
Be careful when making the above purchases. Carefully check the model names. Manufacturers use similar model names that differ by very little, but the actual drives will perform very differently.
The above order is not a rating. I do not know which one is best. And short of running benchmark tests, you will not notice any difference in their performance. Get whichever one is priced the best.
I have many loose mobile sd cards filled with photos taken with our Samsung mobiles and need to be put on a device.. And I know zilch, zero, nada about technology but your video has been the most helpful so far. Thank you!
Haha, thanks! :)
Thank you so much for your generosity, Good Sir! Super helpful, detailed, and concise information. I'm a fellow creator with 6 SSDs/HDDs in my tower, and I am the one you were talking about when you said, "Which drive did I store that on?!" I've been wanting/knowing that I need to upgrade to a NAS for a long time, and this has helped tremendously...and HUGE props to you for mentioning the other creators' (Max and Matthew) videos to help us out further. Cheers!
You're very kind, thank you, glad I could help! :)
Great Video. Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
Gotta get one of these setups going myself.
Thanks for listing the pros and cons of each. It still seems a bit overwhelming in that there will always come a point where we will run out of storage. What do you recommend as the best way to manage videos on the iPhone, especially if you don’t want to increase iCloud storage?
This video is pure gold! Thank you very much!
My dude speaks facts at a good speed! Def good advice!
I've just started looking into the NAS storage, I've been working on pc and mac for a long time and have a firecuda 4tb that I backup everything to like a Archive/Home.
On MAC I have a 512 SSD that I work on and a 2TB ext (journaled_4mac) for video/music storage
On PC I have a 1 TB sabrent internal SSD and a 1TB stock internal HDD that I use the same way as the mac ssd and external drive.
Lastly I have a 1 TB external HDD that I keep formated exFat for transferring or working in both Mac and PC.
I was thinking of getting a 1TB external SSD to take the place of the 1TB ext HDD I use for transfer and both systems. That's when I came across the NAS storage and now I have reconsidered my options.
My drives are filling and I got to do something tho, once the firecuda filled up I had to start storing master files on the external HDD which I'm not a fan of so I have also been keeping a copy of those files on other drives and yeah its been a big pain in the ass. I either need another firecuda (prolly a 8TB this time) or the NAS storage or my head is going to explode trying to remember what files are on what drives!!! 🤯
Oh I also have 1TB Google drive that just canceled cause after 5 years it had just become a mess of files and crap! Lol
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Not sure if you covered it. NAS units need to be populated with NAS ready hard drives. Do not use normal desktop drives in them.
Also 4 bay and 8 bay+ NAS units will need different drives again. Higher end drives are ideally to be used in larger NAS units due to the vibrations caused by the number of drives in them.
Yeah, good points, thanks for that!
Thank you for this great and informative video! Your explanation of a NAS is awesome. I recently tried a QNAP NAS, but I live in a tiny studio and the thing HAD to live in the same room and it was quite loud, especially for a hyper noise-sensitive/ semi-neurotic person like me! lol It also made lots of noise while idle as well, which was disappointing, since of course I would tolerate the noise while working , but not when I am sitting around and had to hear all kinds of gurgles and disk noises 24/7. Sadly I returned it and will get one when I move out to a bigger place, shove it in some closet or attic. But yes, I totally see the benefits over all, makes sense. Meanwhile, I sucked it up and bought several SSDs. It was expensive but my sanity is worth it. And I really like your workflow by the way, I will try it out sans the NAS.
I bought a 2 bay QNAP NAS drive while ago... after selling my PC, I have bought a 4 bay expansion TR-004 which I can use as a DAS (basically external drive) and once I am finished with movieg files, I can move it to the cabinet and plug it in to my NAS. I can connect the DAS via usb-c 10gbps without the need of having 10gbe compatible router/switch/adapter
Hey I have all the parts for my pc coming this week. I'm building your budget editing pc, I bought everything you suggested. I have a m.2 512gb for programs, a 1TB WD ssd & a 4TB Barracuda for storage. Any chance you'll have a video on fitting the ssd & Barracuda drives into your budget editing PC?
I'm sure I'll figure it out but would prefer to watch you do it first. The only reason I'm building a PC is because of your great build video, so well explained for total first timers like myself. Massive fan of your stuff.
(I also just bought the viltrox studio lights that you suggested 😅)
Yes, I've got a video in process, just have to wait for the drives to arrive to shoot the video!
@@theTechNotice hey man. What size drives would you recommend for the OS, cache, and project files etc??? I'm looking to buy 3 drives, one for each
Another point is if you need the nas network functionality without it being your primary archive, there are 1 or 2 Bay NAS units which will add that connectivity for much less than a full feature 4-6 bay nas.
great video man seriously thanks!
Amazing video. Thank you so much.
If going the portable route, do I edit AND set up scratch disks and or cache on the portable ssd as well? Or should I have a portable ssd for project files/editing on and another separate for cache and or scratch disks
this is really helpful! awesome work!
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Hi what is a scratch disk? I enjoy your videos I am a part time landscape photographer and have enjoyed your pc building projects. Thanks
Can you do a video where you can do a simple project and show us step by step real world view of you doing the steps? Appreciate you work and information.
Great Video and got me thinking. I use a 2011 iMac for music production and would like to figure out a better storage solution then multiply external drives. The other issue is I only have USB (original) and/thunderbolt 1. Would a NAS system work for accessing files directly in real time and connect via Ethernet port? One cable to one box instead of a dongle to dongle etc...
Thx
Nas will work with any ethernet port, it just determines how fast you can read/write the files on NAS.
I guess it's a 1gb port? Or slower?
@@theTechNotice It the stock ethernet port which I believe is just 1GB. thanks for replying
My question is - so I have m1 mac mini which is gonna run
1. OS and software.
2. I HAVE 500GB Kingston ssd for cache.
3. For project files should I buy a 500gb Kingston ssd or NVME?
Does the speed matters for project files storage for video editing and how?
It starts to matter when you're working with big 6k & 8k files, but I doubt you're doing that on Mac Mini M1 🙂
@@theTechNotice thank you for reply.
I appreciate this immensely. Thank you!
no this is very exiting, if i can increase my storage from my measly 2tb to 5tb relatively cheaply and effectively i will be less stressed when editing
If you are making profits with content creation highly suggest get a NAS to work off centrally, and backup the NAS off site or the cloud. Test your backup recovery method.
God bless your bro
With the non NAS setup how do you keep backups? For example I keep two copies of all of my videos that I shoot. In my Tower I have 4 extra bays and can put in multiple seagate drives which seems to be the least expensive solution for maintaining two separate copies each on different drives. thoughts?
By the way my editing workflow is constructed like yours as when I built my computer I followed one of your videos
Im late this is a great video not boring at all !
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DAVINCI 17.1 has proxy feature. QUESTION!!!
1st storage is OS
2nd SSD is for cache
3rd SSD is for Media project files.
My question is where should i save my proxy files?? with cache SSD or Media project SSD?? PLEASE REPLY.
I'd put them next to the original media for file organizing purposes :)
@@theTechNotice performance and speed wise - it doesn't matter where I put the proxy file right? Thank You.
i do dropbox 3TB + big storage on 2 machines. Work directly on my dropbox folder ( so 2 machines always have current projects locally) and auto-version saving on dropbox. This is fairly expensive so i may switch to a full NAS soon as its very risk to depend on a 3rd party company with my files.
super good i like it video
Thanks for the videos. I recently watched your video about choosing the GPU. And I decided to buy 3060 ti 8gb. But now I'm confused 😕.
I am editing 4k videos in premiere pro. I decided to buy these:
i7 12700k
32 gb ddr4
Gpu ??? 3060 12gb or 3060 ti 8gb
3080 is above my budget.
For one month I'm looking for these kind of videos. And you're the best. Thanks again.
I had one 2TB HDD for 3 years and Still running
Thank you bro very nice and helpful video
What do you recommend for my
I have got iPhone 125 gb so if I record video on I phone my phone has not enough storage so what I do after recoding my video I save the video on hard drive so in this way I can make more space for iPhone and when I need the recorded video I am going back to hard drive and i breng it back to iPhone after that I upload the video to my UA-cam channel.
So I bought an hard drive SanDisk which has two options one I can plugged on iPhone and the another one is for computer it is very handy but what I have problem my SanDisk burn so I can’t use it anymore.
My question is that which kind hard drive is accessible for IPhone and computer
I mean while I am saving video on iPhone I am gone s save it to hard drive and computer so I need something for iPhone and computer
Good video thanks. What about the software to back up?
your are the best ! amazing video i gonna buy one NAS now !
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Very great video, thank you very much for all the details!
I have a question for you: why have you chosen the fastest NVMe for the OS/Apps instead of choosing it for Cache? The cheaper setup would be using a M.2 PCIe 3.0 for your System and applications, and a M.2 slot Gen 4.0 for the Cache. Am I right? I would be pleased to read your answer!
Well I'm using the Pcie 4.0 for os and Programs because it has better random read and write speeds. Now it's probably not a massive difference, but I want my OS and programs to run as fast as possible. :)
@@theTechNotice Great, thank you very much for your answer! I will do the same then. I have read in my Vision D-P user manual that « PCIE x4 slot becomes available when a device is installed in the M2B_SB connector. » : did you have any bottleneck on the PCIEx4 slot (M2A_CPU) as the other slot M.2 was used? I was a bit surprised with this info, I think I am not understanding it correctly.
@@noctiluque Hi, maybe it's a bit late but wanted to let you know anyways. Motherboards with B550 chipset shares bandwidths with some slots. It means that, in your case, if you plug an m2 drive in your second slot (M2B), your PCIEX4 will be unavailable. This PCIEX4 is your third large PCI slot that is located at the bottom of your motherboard, not your M2A slot (which supports PCIe 4.0, this is another thing, which might lead to confusion).
I have another very important question?
So I edit in 4k on M1 mac mini on DaVinci. It starts to get laggy after I add color effects.(so I optimize media and even then sometime it lags with background rendering on.) People are recommending to convert to PRORES then edit on DaVinci.
Do you recommend any software for multiple clips pro res conversion?
Or do u have another solution. Please reply. Thank You
You could just use Davinci to do that. Make a timeline with all of your clips and export them in native resolution to your desired prores variant (depending on your natives bit rate). Resolve is actually a pretty powerful transcoding device. Other than that adobes media encoder is pretty nice too, but not for batch transcodes
the raid type will change when the hdd is added?
Greetings, another great video. What about the nvme you are using for OS+program, what would be the difference if i use a sata ssd there? It's not a budget issue but i wonder if i could give this nvme slot a better use instead...
I would use m.2 for OS, but would be nice to make a video what the performance difference would be sata vs NVME :)
When you export a final video from Prem Pro, do you export to the
SSD Project Drive first then move it to the HDD Storage drive? Or export directly to the HDD Storage Drive? Thanks in advance you’re awesome!
I personally export it to the project folder on the ssd, and then move the whole project folder to the HDD.
@@theTechNotice thanks!!!
Great video! I just have one question, so you talked about Nas storage, and how it could be an option to edit with. Would that be better than a NVME SSD like the 970 EVO? Also, is it possible to have an external drive without any other internal drive?
Not sure what the read/write speeds are on the 970 evo, but yeah in theory it could be faster. I know the one I was mentioning max uses gets 3300mb/s read-write, which is ridiculous!
And yes, Nas can be used without any internal drives. As long as you have the OS drive, nas plugs in via ethernet and you can see it on your file explorer. (I think that's what you asked? 🤔)
@@theTechNotice Yeah that is what I was asking about! But how do hard drives get to 3300mb/s? Especially without RAID 10, if you only have 2 drives. I guess Nas would be a better option then, since the 970 EVO only has 2700 write and 3500 read.
Hey dude. What sizes would you recommend for the cache drives, and project file drive etc. I'm looking to get 3 ssd and a HDD👍
I personally think cache drive is fine 500GB, project drive at least 1TB and 1TB os drive, plus the archive HDD-s. That's what I'm running currently :)
@@theTechNotice 1tb OS drive??? My Adobe programs on my Mac only take up about 30gb...
@@jjlovesjam he got the money, while we're not. That's why he go 1 TB, while we doubtful.
How fast does the Cache drive need to be? Sata SSD good enough since I have two? Or am I better off it being shared on the NVME OS holding SSD?
Also thanks so much for these videos! Perfect timing for this one. Bought parts based off your previous videos and now im just waiting for them to come
Honestly, it would be better for NVME, but also SATA SSD completely fine. I'd just go for whatever budget allows! :)
Great info, thanks
I need to know why and how you used cach drive separately.. What is the cach? And how it works on editing? It actually need another drive? Or i can do it on project drive.. Plz ans me..
And plz make a real life editing and working overflow..
Great idea! I'll make a video about it! :)
@@theTechNotice thanks bro. Love from Bangladesh .. And i see ur videos 1.5 years continues , and i love ur content over the others creators, learn about ram, ssd, cach latency, cooler gpu and so many.. And i want to build up ur last 12 gen bt 12700k and 3060ti bcz i want some gaming and streaming performance .. Thanks bro u take my heart seriously
so do you use. cloud storage like google drive in addition to NAS?
If your files are important to you then yes. NAS can fail, be stolen, destroyed by things like fire/flood/electrical surge/etc
Can you partition the main drive (OS + Programs) and use that partition as the cache drive? What's the ideal amount of storage you need for a cache drive?
EDIT: Never mind, I asked this question before finishing the video and then saw that you mentioned bottlenecks if you use the same drive for different things.
nice video....very true when it comes to pc BUT you can do this but not on laptop. I have a similar set up for my PC
240 Gb NVme for OS and Programs,
240 GB SSD for active projects and data,
1TB internal HDD (secured from an old laptop) for Cache Which get wiped after every project
1TB HDD for Data storage
And for Laptop ...
1 tb internal hdd
1tb internal ssd (For OS, Programs, Project file and data)
1tb external hdd (ONLY FOR CACHE) which is a 2nd hand 500gb laptop hdd put in a case (connected via USB 2.0)
And
4 tb external HDD for Archives
500 GB SSD Samsung T5 for my BMPCC 4k
3 x 1 TB HDD's External for on location shoot back up
Things collected over 5 years...best Idea for budget users is to salvage old (SATA) HDD's and use it as a scratch disk
Yeah, for laptop you kinda have to go with either the portable or NAS workflow :)
thank you
You're welcome
I know I am late (again) but congrats on 16k subs
Haha, thanks Josh!
SSDs are limited in read/write cycles. It depends on NAND memory type. This is the biggest bad side of using SSDs as archive solution.
Yeah, true but they're getting better and better at that! :)
@@theTechNotice enterprise SSDs - yes, they do get better. Consumer ones quite the contrary: they tend to pack more bits per cell, which lowers both cost and longevity
As an archive solution they're great. You don't tend to rewrite your archive very often so they should remain reliable for much longer... they are quite expensive though in large sizes.
awesome bro thanks
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My setup
×Editing on 120gb ssd m.2
×After editing is done move to 5tb hdd and Google drive
After 2 month or more when i know i am not gonna need original folder in my editing pc so i delete them from my pc (no game on ssd btw, loading game fast will make me unproductive)
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Which should be on the faster SSD, cache and scratch disks or project files?
Project files.
How is possible to get 10gbp/s between PC and NAS when the Drives in Nas are 5OOmbp/s in reading/writing speed ?
Raid :)
Hey one question I have one Nvme one SSD and one HDD so what should be my Scratch & Cache storage etc. ?
SSD for scratch and cache. :)
@@theTechNotice and my programs and footage to my nvme ?
For me i have and ARCHIVE NAS, wich i sometimes copy past some project that are useful as "template" -> SSD for work -> Copy on Nas and dropbox everything. Things is, its a TOTAL mess lol
Confused between Synology 1019+ vs 1819+
Hi, I know this is the wrong video lol but im building the budget 6k pc you recommend it but i need a motherboard that has at least 1 usb type c, would tou have any recommendations that work with all of the other parts?? Thank you
Try MSI mpg gaming edge WiFi x570 board? 🤔
Urgent question : How can 100-200mbps HDD become one with system that at the end give us 2000+ mbps?
RAIDs or more sophisticated storage system such as CEF can increase the read and write speed.
nice compare with HDD vs SSD + and -
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Agreed. Nice and informative video. For me, the only minus is on the confusion between redundancy of storage with backup. Rest is really nice and simply explained.
found it! :D
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Your second suggestion is horrible. How come you don't mentioned RAID's? I recommend checking out DSLR Shooter's Storage Flow or Scott McKenna who is a paid corporate filmmaker.
It’s more than cheap, it will not lose data as fast over time with no power…
NAS stands for Network Attached Storage not Network Attached System. Qnap are excellent NAS and Synology are too. I’ve used a Qnap 8 bay NAS for years never let me down and always updated by Qnap. Where people often go wrong with Nas is not using proper Nas hard-drives made for the job to run 24/7 people cheap out and use standard hard-drives and wonder why they have drive failures. Also always run in raid with redundancy so if drive fails you don’t loose your data raid 5 or raid 10 I run raid 5. SSD’s are way better than hard-drives in terms of performance, energy use and no moving parts but their is still a question over how long data can be left on a ssd long term with out the data being corrupted where hard-drives can be left almost indefinitely without data loss but ssd’s are getting better all the time and are the future of storage. They will come down in price now the next generation gaming consoles are ssd based this will help drop prices.
Also with a Nas if your looking for the best performance you should link aggregate you Ethernet connections if your router supports it or run through a managed switch then the router you can almost double your speed doing this.
Nas drives are incredibly reliable when running in raid, yes a drive can fail but this is very rare if using Nas specific disks but with raid you just swap out and replace the failed drive and you don’t loose your data. You can set them up as cloud storage also and using your own Nas for both storage and your own cloud storage this will always be safer and more secure than storing your data externally with a 3rd party.
I can't believe I wrote Network Attached System 🙈 You know when you're thinking something, and then write something completely different LOL!
yes, I agree with what you've said and great points made!
"Also with a Nas if your looking for the best performance you should link aggregate you Ethernet connections if your router supports it or run through a managed switch then the router you can almost double your speed doing this." - I'd like to know how to do that, that's very interesting! :)
Tech Notice Easy done mate, people think this UA-cam stuff is easy but it’s not I’m finding this out as I’m trying to build my channel. Your channel a great inspiration to me and to works towards. Keep up the excellent work 😄👍
Typical data transfer speeds range from 3MB/s to 20MB/s for consumer level NAS devices. Transfer speed to/from a NAS is so slow for big or numerous files ! So for me it's not fast at all. you can not work directly on a file which is on your NAS
My WD passport portable drive where I keep all my photos, edit videos and drone videos just went bad. My pc couldn’t recognize it no more. I tried figuring out a way to recover all my data watching UA-cam videos but ended up wiping all my data. I was even making a real estate video but lost everything. It was months worth of videos. Now I have to tell him I can’t make his video. Now here I am…
If it's a hard drive you should send it to professional data recovery people you should be able to recover the data...
@@theTechNotice I already did a format from watching a UA-cam video 😭
NAS does not provide backup. It provides redundancy. It is different than backup. That should be made clear while explaining NAS.
SSD is faster ... doesn't matter, because you're not keeping an OS or gaming. You're just storing Data.
SSD is durable and portable ... doesn't matter, you don't walk around with your NAS. You hook it up to the internet and have access to it from anywhere.
SSD is silent .. .Today's HDD are actually fairly silent, compared to 10 years ago HDD. It just sits in a box. It doesn't have to sit next to you. You can put it in a closet.
So the only thing that matters in the end is cost.
storage yea
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I think you're more on editing stuffs..
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Another video where I beat Josh, lol
Josh is gonna be gutted he sees this haha
I’m not sure a QNAP is a ‘10’. Maybe a 3 or a 4. Too unreliable.
Haha, the qnap is not necessarily 'the nas' just represents the lvl 10 as 'nas' 😊
super you share &spend lot of time?[research]
You could suggest some other channels because Max isn't much knowledgeable about these stuffs, even doesn't have some basic ideas of PC building.. Since he is an Apple guy so it's common..
Could be, but I also think he's very knowledgeable on PC stuff as well :)
@@theTechNotice Could be but I never saw much of his knowledge.. Check out his Mac Pro vs PC video,, Check out how many people found his errors about his ideas and knowledge about build a pc..