JR & Jim Cornette On The Creation Of The Attitude Era
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- In this clip from our live show with Jim Ross and Jim Cornette, Good ol' JR and Corny talk about the creation of the attitude era, what made Vince McMahon react and make a change, what they think about the suggestion of bringing back the Attitude Era and more. Subscribe to the channel for more clips of our live shows and interviews and don't forget to like and comment too!
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In this clip from our live show with Jim Ross and Jim Cornette, Good ol' JR and Corny talk about the creation of the attitude era, what made Vince McMahon react and make a change, what they think about the suggestion of bringing back the Attitude Era and more. Subscribe to the channel for more clips of our live shows and interviews and don't forget to like and comment too!
Where can we watch the whole thing?
@@brande2274 That is what I wanna know. This seems like a great show to watch.
How to see these or hear these full interviews checking the podcast & nothing from these live sessions
@@iambroso8620 The only way to see the full shows is to attend one of our events.
@@InsideTheRopes Or you could make them avalible on patreon. I would pay for that!
"A smart Booker will not book what he likes, he will book what the talent can execute to the bookers acceptance level."
J.R. with that wisdom!
Wish he’d help the AEW promotion understand that
@Jeremy Stillwell nwa powerr sucks
WWE tries to force every guy into the same cookie cutter role for years and it doesn't work because few are all round talents. You think about Goldberg in WCW, they realized he couldn't cut a promo and so they just never had him talk and look how over he got whereas in wwe if you're a bad talker, too bad you have to follow this lame ass script our failed b movie screenplay writer coughed up.
Wrong, Jim.
A smart booker will book what the audience is responding to, and what ratings are being elevated by.
@@TheRageaholic THANK You! I support the idea that wrestlers should have the right to decide what to SAY and how to PERFORM in the ring and in backstage segments/interviews, but NOT what the storylines are going to be about and how they will play out. They also should NOT have the right to decide who wins and who loses either, because THAT is what Backstage Politics is. You are absolutely a 100% right! A Truly Smart Booker/Writer is SUPPOSED to book/write for the audience. Excellent wisdom there my friend!
When wrestling's two famous jims come together you know its gonna be interesting!
I know right!
Jimmy neidhart
i dont see jimmy wang yang !
And I don't see hilly Billy Jim and Jimmy snuka
Jim Helwig bitches
"J.R would you agree..."
Doesn't let JR get a word in for the five minute rant that follows. 😂
Jr: *bah gawds internally*
He's got the gift of gab
@@Algoth_Igneous dude...thank you for that comment 😅
JR is mute these days
Cornette showed immense restraint
If she thinks that WCW stands for Woman Crush Wednesday, she’s too young for you bro...
Underrated comment
😄 Wow
😂😂😂 still funny af a year later
If she don’t know who loves orange soda, she too young for you bro
Nah there are girls older than me that think the same thing
JR was spot on about recreating the Attitude Era. That was a one of a kind, once in a lifetime deal that most of us were fortunate enough to live thru..... It was a great time to be a WWF fan
Jim is wrong.
@@jrsmith1998 how so? I mean he made a great point. The current roster doesn't have an Austin, Rock, or really even more than a handful of guys that can pull off being edgy. There isnt a group of guys you could put together that could be similar to DX
@@DR.K14 Wrestlers nowadays are just as talented. The current roster doesn't have an Austin, Rock etc. because they don't know how to build them up(Or don't want to). They don't allow them to have real personalities. They stifle their creativity and streamline everything. Line for line promos. Bad storylines that go nowhere. Not listening to fan response. Cena was massively over and wasn't around during the AE. They just allowed him to flourish. After Cena got big they pretty much did away with most of the organic way of building up characters and wrestlers. When Cena was getting booed, they never turned him heel. Hell, they turned AUSTIN heel back in the AE. They didn't listen to the fan response to Daniel Bryan or CM Punk. Punk could have been the next Austin. They just don't want to make compelling shows anymore. They'd rather make an easily digestible, safe product for the masses and make money off of their TV deals.
@@jdm6413 I'll agree with Cena and Punk. Both guys def would've thrived in the AE. But even when Austin went heel it was still really hard for ppl to boo him. I feel they've let Roman, Brock, Owens, and Rollins kinda have free reign. Edge as well, but i feel thats bc hes an OG and Vince trusts him to do his own thing. But i also think that a lot of the roster would hurt themselves if they were able to do their own creative stuff. A lot of guys need to be told how to evolve and what to say
@@DR.K14 I don't necessarily think turning Austin heel was a good move or anything, but they at least tried something different. And yeah I agree they have let those few do their own thing to a certain degree. I'm not saying allow free reign with everyone, but there is a difference in guiding and completely scripting every little thing they do. WWE had EASILY the most stacked roster since AE talent-wise a few years ago and they basically built no stars from it. Most of the guys from the indies they were signing can do their own stuff and don't need to be scripted so hard. They've basically let them all go by now with nothing to show for it.
it's amazing how things worked out mid-late 90s for wwf. there was a point in attitude era where pretty much their entire roster was over & entertaining all in dif ways.
Even Road dogg got huge pops back then 😂
@@deanleyshon6762 in any other era Road Dog would have been a jobber
or just a roadie@@GameTime-yj6qv
Cornette and Ross in the same room.....business just picked up!
"business just picked up"...I see what you did there....thank you sir.
Brilliant
"Is that when he lost his smile or lost his balls"....lol. love cornette.
Look at Jim Ross face
Cornette is a twat that thinks the rest of the world agrees with him, yet no one ever does. Notice how absolutely no one laughed when he made his overly loud statement (even got some boos). Back in the day he was pretty great, now he still think's he's in the 90s and think's he's still relevant.
@@AdoreYouInAshXI That's because those people don't know how big of a prick HBK was. Laughing or not, Cornette is right Michaels was impossible to work with.
I know right.
@@AdoreYouInAshXI I think we found the guy who's mom jim slapped when he was a kid.
Cornette is always shooting. I love it. What a personality
More of a shoot work. He always entertains.
@@TRIIGGAVELLIExactly. Corny won't say a word if it won't draw a dime. While I don't think he ever bullshits, he does definitely say it in ways that gets heat. He's always always been about the heat and he's damned good at it.
Cornette had enough heat to get legitimate death threats sent to him….and enough of a heel to frame them and hang them on the wall.
I could listen to Jim Cornette talk for hours. He’s so funny.
Agreed
Do you rock the podcasts?
MrChrisStingray such an intelligent man who could turn a two minute story into a screenplay. true legend of the business
Fuck Cornette
@@AidenAndAleiaTV Fuck you
JR always mentions Austin and The Rock in every interview. They ruled attitude era.
How can you NOT mention them
It might be because he signed both of them....
And HHH - as much as people don't like to give the guy credit he was a main player and made the Attitude era amazing along with Stone Cold and The Rock (among many other but they were the infrastructure everything was built on)
@@funky7chunky yeah, you always need a good Heel
Also undertaker, Mick Foley
I love Jim Cornette. To have that passion for something, it’s admirable. He’s also super witty and funny.
JR is my favourite commentator of all time, I would just listen to his stories about the business all day
He's an overrated, deformed, boring ass, politicking fat turd 💩
I liked him more in his WCW days
"I identify with the goon with ice skates on his boots..."😆😂🤣😂
The amount of untold stories from both Jims would be crazy to hear on a podcast
What makes WWE especially frustrating today is they absolutely do have some of the best talents in the industry today (just look at a lot of their current wrestlers and look up their pre-WWE work), but they're constantly set up for failure because they're booked based on a single man's preference instead of being booked to their respective strengths. They have all the resources to put out the greatest wrestling product of all time, but they just... _don't._
They are to wrestlers what EA is to game studios.
@Yashwanth O True, not all of them are promo gods although I'm sure a number of them could be if given the right training, not the scripting they have been doing. Vince doesn't book guys in line with their strengths and hide their weaknesses.
Man this aged just so, so awfully
In the Attitude Era you had a stacked superstar roster,
When you have guys like Austin, The Rock, The Undertaker, Kane, Mick Foley, Chris Jericho, Chris Benoit, Triple H, Kurt Angle, Big Show, all in the main event scene and the greatest heel ever Vince Mcmahon it was always going to be success
On top of the roster you had the 2 best announcers ever in Jim Ross and Jerry Lawler, the most professional live tv presentation and production services it was made to print money
You nailed it there
On top of all those attributes you had loads of creative freedom, they werent restricted with a PG rating as an M rating allows more ideas
Promos were not scripted back then allowing a unique, unpredictably chaotic entertainment that made viewers tune in every week to see what would happen
@@eshai27 Also not to mention ou had loads of awesome star mid carders all in the same stacked rosters who were both cool characters and good workers, including: the hardy boys, edge and christian, rikishi, val venis, the dudleys, Goldust, the godfather, kai n tai, jeff jarret, rhyno, the acolytes, william regal, eddie guerrero, dean malenko, degeneration x, etc, the roster was so stacked
It would be like a sports team having all the best players coached by the best head coach,the best coaching staff, the roster has never been so stacked since
@@MungasaurusBravo69420 You forgot one, very important thing the Attitude era had. An insatiable hunger to get over. All those guys were hungry to get over. The roster was fiercely competitive from the top to bottom with their gimmicks that they were given liberties to work on it. Promos weren't scripted, but they were planned by giving key points to talk about and then the wrestlers would take it from there.
The hunger simply isn't the same post PG era.
@@MungasaurusBravo69420 They weren't an M rating, RAW usually was around TV-14 and Smackdown was PG from the start.
Could literally listen to those two break it down for hours and hours!
Hair Dresser: "Hi Jim, how's your day been?"
Jim: "Well, Eric Bischoff..."
Just kiddin. I love Jim's rants.
Strangers in paradise
@@coreyreeves3841 Pucker and wet your lips and get ready to whistle! 😂😂😂🤦🏾♂️😂😂😂
Cornette having to drink 7-Up instead of Sprite AND talk about about Vince "the Shit Stain" Russo? An explosion waiting to happen lolz
"A booker can't book what he likes, he has to book what his talent can do" BEGGIN ON MY KNEES SOMEONE WHO KNOWS TONY KHAN SEND HIM THIS VIDEO
“A great booker does not book what he likes, he books what the talent can execute at his acceptance level” Tony Khan needs to hear that
I could listen to these two tell stories all day about pro wrestling. Thank you for clipping this.
By Vince thinking he was the babyface after Montreal he became the biggest heel.
he did what was right his company
Technically he should've been face but the whole aftermath was so poorly handled that people simply turned on him. But the situation absolutely should've led to Vince being face:
- Bret refused to give up the title to the only guy in the company who was available (Austin was still suffering from the broken neck, Undertaker was involved with Kane, most others were injured as well and Brets stupid saying of "I drop the belt to Shamrock", a guy who never drew, was always idiotic. There simply was no other believable main eventer available except HBK)
- Bret refusing the belt could've led to another "The belt gets thrown in the trash/otherwise used live on the competition" moment, like with Madusa or Ric Flair before. So by doing the "Screwjob", Vince just protected his business and his belt
- A 40 year old guy throwing a hissy fit over a belt and losing it to another guy he doesn't like is shameful. Sometimes in life you just have to suck up and do what's right, even if you hate it. Besides, i always found it weird, that Hart, the guy who took pro wrestling so fucking serious and was all about tradition and unwritten rules, broke the unwritten rule of "If you leave a territory, you leave it on your back" (meaning you lose on your way out to everybody the promoter wants you to lose, no questions asked)
The whole "Bret screwed Bret" (and i mean the title is right, Bret screwed himself and simply deserved the Screwjob) interview was just so badly done, that people called bullshit and turned on Vince. In hindsight though, this was the best possible outcome. Imagine if the whole original plan went through and Vince was a face, how would the WWF have turned out without the Vince - Austin feud?
@@melaniel.4269 "Bret betrayed us; he was leaving and wanted to take our title with him. He tried to screw us over, so we made sure that didn't happen." Really, that was all that needed to be said.
However, it all worked out in the end for WWE...not so much for Bret though. WCW didn't know what the hell to do with him.
@@SupraViperhead I think it also didn't work because obviously Bret didn't care at all and that was right from the start. I guess he just couldn't handle th screwjob (i mean that's obvious, over 2 decades later it's still the only thing he talks about outside of hating Flair and bitching about his chops), didn't like where Wrestling went into (he hated the whole attitude thing). That became aparent when his matches turned into crap. The only time in WCW Bret actually gave more than 50% in a match was against Benoit in the Owen Hart tribute thing. Otherwise he just ran on autopilot. Bookers notice that and would you push somebody who just doesn't care? I wouldn't.
To be fair, HBK was as big a baby about dropping belts. They should have taken the belt off Bret before Montreal rather than having him lose to someone he genuinely despised in front of his home crowd.
That said, in the long run this was one of the best things to happen to the WWF.
It seems that now we are in the no attitude and no charisma era
Lol foreal
EyeCU 205 we are actually in the twitter era
Facts
The boring ass era
Imo now its 20 minutes of wrestling matches with no storylines
As soon as Russo comes up Cornette just laughs FML that was priceless 😂
@Rick Razor shit I didn't notice it omg thank you for this 😭😂😂
This is so intriguing. Glad to see both the Jims talking about wrestling.
Two of my absolute favorites, could listen to them both all day
All we're missing here is Paul Heyman and Vince McMahon and you will have the big 4 the 4 best ever at what they did the greatest talker on the mic ever Paul Heyman the greatest promoter ever Vince McMahon the greatest announcer ever Jim Ross the greatest heel manager ever Jim Cornette you've got the Mount Rushmore of none wrestlers
I might not agree with Cornette about a few things, but he does make a lot of good points when he talks about wrestling
MANY 👍💯
Zedrik Allen probably politics
J.R. and Cornette are the 2 brightest wrestling minds alive
When he talks about wrestling? As opposed to ten pin bowling? What a fucking moron.
Lack of kayfabe is what's missing in today's era of wrestling. Everyone knows everything about everybody. In the Attitude era, there was a level of mystique.
Finally a Corny interview where he is sort of calm and talk sense lol Maybe it needed Jim Ross to calm him down.
I swear JR could tell me that babies come from storks and i would believe him. I have never figured out why but JR is always been one of the only truly trust-able people in this business. Him being so passionate about wrestling kind of just radiates in to his work.
Cornette Made a Fantastic Point, it was a Blessing in Disguise for Old Talent such as Hogan, Nash and Hall to Leave the WWF and go to WCW. As it gave the WWF, Room to Develop and Promote Young and Fresh New Talent such as Austin, The Rock, HHH, Kane, Big Show, The Undertaker, Chyna, The Dudley Boyz, The Hardy Boyz, Edge & Christian, D-Generation X etc. It allowed the WWF to Elevate this Newcomers into the New Breed of Wrestling Superstars instead of being Overshadowed by the Old Blood. Which What Exactly Happened in WCW. Apart from Goldberg, Booker T, Sting and Scott Steiner Everyone Else was Overshadowed by Hogan, Nash and Flair. WCW Didn't Allow their Young Guns to Rise Up and Take their Show to the Next Level.
A very poignant point made is that Hogan, Hall and Nash left and Vince turned Austin, Rock and HHH into stars who carried the main event scene through quite possibly the most lucrative period in WWE history.
Those two legends should come to my birthday.
This is the first time I saw JR smilling
Because of his condition he may have difficulty doing that alot of the time
I don't think you will ever see the attitude era again. Good as it was
The ironic thing about the AE statement, is They've done AE style segments in the PG era and people have dumped on it. The Rusev/lana/Lashley angle? Pure AE. Anytime there is a supposed bloodbath? Pure AE. So yeah, the AE was about the talent at the time making the edgy content work. The two weren't mutually exclusive.
AE wasn't build of edgy content it was just extra flavor for the adults but it didn't play role in the ratings, beside Rusev\Lana\Lashley angel was cringy and it's not even AE factor it was a lame boring edgy PG angel that didn't made any sense especially after the death of keyfabe
I'm a Jim Cornette Guy
I'm a Jim Cornette guy as well.
I also am a Jim Cornette guy!
Same
Aloha fellow cult members
Hello friends, and you are my friends.
The Attitude Era had the greatest collection of talent assembled who were top talents for the WWE/WWF title. Stone Cold, The Rock, Undertaker, Kane, Mankind, HHH & Kurt Angle. Those are serious heavyweights fighting for the top prize. Probably no wrestling promotion ever had that much talent at the top. Truly amazing era of wrestling.
They do right now.
I could listen to the Jim’s for hours and not get bored. Two of the most fascinating men of all time.
"Sometimes you can't make the recipe because the cake won't rise"
Jim Cornette
That's because you forgot to add viagra
@@dickmarx1298 it stiffened up the cake
For 4 hours
"WWE" sounds so weird to me...
WWF!!!!!!!!!
Seriously tho! We're going into it's 19th year and it's still really bizarre.
Anybody remember the old "Get the 'F' out" promos they used to run between commercial breaks?😄😄
@@tonywatts2584 I remember lol!
The greatest moments in life are like shooting stars. Once they're gone you can't make the same moments again.
I think JR is miss understanding what people mean when they say: go back to the attitude area format. Because it’s not strictly the attitude area format. It’s just the wrestling format. It’s how it was and is done in every area and promotion outside of the modern WWE. No scripts just bullet points.
Two legends in the comentarist of wrestling
cornette - the best dude in wrestling we have. love that guy
I was waiting on JR to say business is about to pick up, oh well, Cornette dished out some good insight
I totally agree with what JR said at the end there but you also have to do what the fans want, I wasn't a big Austin fan but I still to this day think that McMahon did the right thing by pushing Austin because at the time he was what the fans wanted to see, and, as JR said, he was able to execute it very well, and the late 90s in general was a very anti-authority time period and Stone Cold fit right into that like a glove.
Are Stephane and Shane McMahon hall of famers? For their in ring work and championship runs, Shane’s coast to coast move and few bumps he took, Shane’s work on commentary, and both their authoritative roles and characters.
Man I'd love to see these two together again god damn.
I love Jim Cornette and his mindset. He should have a top position in WWE today.
Yeah he should but everywhere he works he always gets fired.
@@emoboi311 that’s a lie.
@@tj-23 yep it’s a lie that he got fired from wwe, ring of honor, TNA, NWA, and lost Smokey mountain wrestling.
@@emoboi311 tna he didn’t get fired from. WWE he walked away. Smokey mountain was his territory so not sure how you can fire yourself. The only evidence you have is NWA due to a incident he made like 30 years ago playing in character and saying a line that was deemed “racial insensitive”.
@@tj-23 I didn’t say he got fired from Smokey mountain wrestling, I said he lost it. Secondly he didn’t walk away with WWE, it’s clearly documented he was fired. Whether you want to continue to suck on jim Cornette’s dick to stop you from acknowledging the truth is your choice.
Are they ribbing Cornette by making him drink 7Up?
Scotland is the only country on earth where Coke products don't own the market. It's easier to find 7 Up because its use as a mixer. Jim should've been drinking Irn-Bru.
the best thing in this video is jim ross saying sometimes you have to be yourself good bad or indifferent and that is what I try to do and promote and want to see everyone else do.
Two of my favorite people / personalities on Earth. No joke. Watch them both every single day
Host: Vince Russo isn't here tonight.
Audience: (in unison) yeeeeeeeeeeeea!
say what you want about russo but that attitude era wouldn't have been so great without him...
@@dtrelzmusic Russo didn't contribute anything of value. He's the one responsible for all the worst crap that happened during that era. All the Jerry Springer garbage TV crap that no one actually cared about then, and is the most difficult to try and watch now.
Ryan Murphy don’t forget Russo wanted OJ Simpson to wrestle Ron Goldman at wrestle mania in 1996 with the stipulation Goldman could have a gun, a knife or a hand grenade.
"Sometimes you can't make that recipe b/c the cake won't rise" - JC i'm using that
WCW should have really jumped into the merchandise pool in the mid 90s and they’d have been making even more money than they were making by 1998
Two of my favorite people, no doubt
If I were to start a wrestling promotion, I’d do whatever it took to get these guys on at least as consultants. They know the business.
JR and Lawler best commentary team of all time
Attitude started the night before mania 13, when Bret cut that promo. Bret made Shawn, Austin & Mr. McMahon.
always always always wanted these two to build a wrestling promotion together.
Where is the rest of the interview?
I'd love for jim and jr to have a show together
A tale of two Jims ?
I disagree with Jr on one thing. I think him and Lawler worked because Lawler played a character while JR played it straight.
Jr is having fun. I'd love to have lunch with vince , corny and jr and listen to them reminisce about these days
I really want to hear more about this!
That last part of the video is why I think the rock and Shawn Michaels didn’t face off
Oh no it wasnt that. Rock did not care for Shawn in the slightest back in the day
Also Rock wasn’t a top guy in 1997 when Michaels was
Because Shawn Michaels was a dick to his grandmother in the 80's.
The amount of knowledge amongst those two is unfathomable! I would pay a lot of money to be able to sit in the same room as them and just talk about wrestling. Not just the history they lived through, but what they like about it, what they don't, what they would do if they had the time, the money, and protection against the stress (lol) of starting and running their own promotion. Could you imagine what it would be like if they were able to do that? BAH GAWD would it be interesting!
Only 9 minutes, wtf man . It’s was barely getting good
I could listen to these two all night, such great insights and knowledge
It's not just the roster, this is a different era now, there is too much political correctness in this era unfortunately. There are wrestlers today with good mic skills but they are forced to read scripts. Attitude worked because it was late 90s early 00s, I mean hell the ECW was popular back then and WWE borrowed a lot of ideas from them. That hotshot strategy worked perfectly in that era, but it was gonna end eventually.
Yea it keeps heels from getting real heat because their are so many things they are no longer allowed to say.
We need more clips from this show!!!
"Sometimes you can't make that recipe because the cake wont rise." Man I love those idioms! I could listen to Jim talk all day! 😅
I'm annoyed that at NYCC, I completely blanked that JR was only there one day. So the next day i was like, "all right, try to meet Jim Ross-wait..only there one day? Crap."
I could listen to the two Jims talk about wrestling for hours.
The attitude era was the best
Agreed. And Jim Cornette said it best. The hottest angle in the history of wrestling (Austin/Mcmahon) came about by accident. It was organic, as was the product. Today it is so scripted , so over produced, it sucks the life out of it.
@@manbearpig7359 All the best characters in recent memory were accidents too.
Becky Lynch.
Daniel Bryan.
Kofi Kingston.
Bray Wyatt.
Man Bearpig True man! Like Bischoff said in an interview the day he started the SmackDown work a few months ago, he said that the show was too perfect, he wanted like an Attitude Era feel you what I mean? More edgier less stupid promos you know. Eric said that Raw and SD needed to be different so with different stages and with SD being the Ruthless show. But at the end probably Vince didn’t like the ideas of Bischoff because weren’t PG so he got fired. My favorite era was Ruthless Aggression
@Smokeanaut He was meant to be a heel.
Ruthless Agression Smackdown era with Guerrero, young Lesnar, Angle, Mysterio, rapping Cena, and Big Show was the 2nd best
Cornette and Ross are like fire and ice. This must have been a really interesting shoot.
so much wrestling stories between these two men.
We all need more JR and JC. Facts
We don’t need another Austin or another rock. Just because they were icons during the attitude era doesn’t mean that’s what they need to have kick ass shows. If it’s new and it sucks the fans will let you know if it’s new and can get over the fan will let you know.
Bret Hart started the attitude on March 17, 1997. The next raw was the Start of the 7 second tape delay. Also Bret Made Steve Austin and Mr. McMahon.
This clip is so good but so short. 😞⌚
I love when Corennntee is like “Russo “
Laughed when Jim said about Shawn loosing his smile he's like lost his smile or his balls 🤣
It just ain't a Jim Cornette interview without 7Up, lol.
Sprite Zero man!
Sprite!
i like how in Attitude Era everyone was just themselves
Wow, AEW needs to watch this interview
ATTITUDE ERA 4 LIFE!!!!!
Can't say there are people who understand wrestling more than Jim Vince McMahon knows it really well too.
As Jim Cornette himself once said about running a wrestling company: "The people who know how don't have the money, the people who have the money don't know how." Give Jim Cornette and Jim Ross a financial backer who will give them total creative liberties, and let them hire their own talent and push who they want, and I think you'd have a great product if they had the energy to write and produce TV every week.
unr3al Gaming aew
@@san12X Jim Ross has no creative control over anything in AEW and Jim Cornette wants nothing to do with AEW, and rightfully so based on most of the matches they put on and the people they push. Cody & Dustin, Jericho, Jake Hagar, Hangman Page and Sammy Guevara are really the only people I'm interested in there, and it's still not enough to get me to tune in.
Jim Cornette had a company and ran it out of business. WCW was ran by "the people who know how" like a Bill Watts, Ole Anderson, and Dusty Rhodes and still struggled because they were so entrenched in the outdated "territory" ways of operating. Ways that were ineffective at growing WCW's largely regional audience, into a national and international one. WCW was a success once Bischoff took the helm because he went away from tradition and tried new, innovative things. The same with the WWF AE. Jim Ross places too much emphasis on stars/talent. WCW had more stars than the WWF and still ended up losing to the WWF and going under. Why? Because the WWF were booking more creatively than WCW. So it doesn't all just boil down to talent and it's easy to talk about how to do something than actually do it
@@blueblur2329 Wow, almost verbatim from the wiki page on WCW... Conveniently leaving out the guys like Herd who didn't know anything about pro-wrestling. Cornette has never denied guys like Ole, George Scott and Watts were behind the times. However, you're ignoring that Herd was in charge from 89 to 92. Ole and Dusty were bookers. When Flair was booking in 88-89, and Cornette has the print outs to prove it, WCW actually started turning business around. But guess who screwed that up. Was it a wrestling guy? No, it was Jim Herd who eventually ran Flair out of the company.
Watts only ran WCW briefly in 92 and 93. Which is when Bischoff took over. He was in charge for over 3 years before stumbling onto the invasion angle in Japan. Years that MADE, NO, MONEY. So yes, the NWO came about under his watch. He was also responsible for bringing in Hogan, and the months of THE DUNGEON OF DOOM that followed. You don't get to cherry pick the year and a half where Bishoff did well, and ignore the 4+ when things were in the s***ter. He ran the company for 6 years, roughly, it only had any real success for about 18 months of that. WCW was only profitable one year in it's existence, 97. Sure, Bischoff made that happen. He also gave out the most insane contracts, and gave Hogan a creative control clause, which are two of the main reasons the company died.
Ross is right. Morons like Russo had nothing to do with the success of the Attitude era. It was talent like Stone Cold, Rock, Foley, Undertaker having his best years, DX, etc. That, and stealing ideas from ECW to give the product a makeover.
Wrong. Nash and Hogan did far more to sabotage WCW than they ever did to help it. The ridiculous guaranteed contracts, Hogan's creative clause especially, was the main reason why WCW was only profitable one year the entire time it existed. So talent, and mismanaging it, played a huge role in killing WCW.
Although you are right in one way, Bischoff stumbled into a gem when he saw the invasion angle in Japan, and had Nash and Hall on the line to do it was a WWF invasion angle. Like Cornette said, it was an accident, not a plan.
Where you're right is that he didn't have any clue how to sustain it, and nothing to follow it up. Doing something different, means d*** if you have nothing else to follow up with.
Same problem with Goldberg. Eventually he had to actually work a match, and he couldn't. Eventually he was going to have to lose... and we all know how that ended up being nothing but a big "go f*** yourself, we're in charge" to the fans, from Nash and Hogan.
But that's the thing... WCW's brief success was built on short term gimmicks, and when those fell apart, so did they.
WWF/E's success was built on the talent, and things didn't start to dive for Vince till he lost that talent. WWF/E ratings climbed all the way into mid 2000, during the height of the "McMahon-Helmsly era" is when the ratings started to drop. No coincidence that, that was also when Austin was out getting neck surgery, and was gone for 8 months, from November 99 to September 2000. 2000-2001 is also when Rock started disappearing to make movies. Foley had his retirement angle in early 2000. Undertaker spent most of 99 doing the stupid Ministry of Darkness gimmick, which tanked. Then got injured and was also gone for around 8 months, not returning till May of 2000 as The American Badass. While some people enjoyed a fresh take on Taker, clearly his being different didn't do anything to help ratings... And yes, that is a direct jab at your imbecilic assertions.
Russo walked out in Oct of 99 because he conned his way into a better pay day at WCW. WCW ratings and house show buys plummeted. Also no coincidence. Russo is fired because things got so bad, but a few months later is hired back because the powers that be are desperate. 2001, WCW is bought by WWE. Again, being different and "creative" sure didn't do WCW any good then.
@@blueblur2329 Jim Cornette's company went out of business because it was run on a shoestring budget and Cornette had the same fatal flaw Paul Heyman had of putting art over commerce. Jim has admitted this himself. He had Rick Ruben as a financial backer but Rubin was not a billionaire and was only willing to shell out so much money before calling it quits. WCW was NOT run by the people you mentioned. It was ran by Jim Herd throughout the late 80's and early 90's, and a bunch of idiots Turner hired. Those people you listed had "control" in name only. Herd could and would veto anything he didn't like, similar to what Vince McMahon does now with his massive writing staff and Smackdown & RAW brand "presidents" like Bruce Prichard and Paul Heyman. They're ceremonial positions only so if there's ever any heat, they take the blame and get fired, like what just happened to Eric Bischoff a couple of weeks ago after moving to Connecticut for his new job that he's now lost.
Bischoff's success in WCW was not attributed to him being a creative genius. It was limited to a narrow window of a few years, when Turner gave him an unlimited supply of money to hire stars away from WWF, and when he managed to put together a great idea for a stable; the nWo. Over the next several years, he ran that into the ground, because he couldn't come up with anything else to top it. Black and white nWo, black and red nWo, the nWo 2000... and he hired Vince Russo. Who tried "new and innovative things" like stripping people of the titles constantly, making David Arquette and himself the world champion, meaningless stipulation matches, dumb backstage segments, beating people over the head with the fact that you're watching a scripted show and the stars you like such as Bill Goldberg aren't real tough guys. They lost $62 million in one year and they had over 300 people on contract the year the company self destructed.
WCW post-Jim Crockett was a giant lesson on how not to run a national wrestling promotion. A lesson TNA learned nothing from, because they used the exact same people and encountered the exact same problems (What are the odds?) but that's another story. Hopefully AEW doesn't make those same mistakes.
Without Stone Cold there be no Attitude era and if so it wouldn't be the same... Not at all
WWF attitude era >>>>> PG era
2 guys that actually understand wrestling not sports entertainment but wrestling!
Are there any more clips from this show? JR and Cornette. I cant think of a better tag tram for a fantastic interview. This is amazing.
We deserve a Tag Team panel of Cornette and Bischoff vs Dave Meltzer and Russo
is it me, or when he said "Vince Russo" I heard Brian Last's laugh clear as day?
You got Jim Ross, who is calm, cool, knows a lot about the business, then you got Jim Cornette who also knows a lot about the business, but he's fucking crazy LOL. I love both of these guys. I could listen to them talk for hours.
JR you are the best thing in wrestling, love you