An Erudition Without A Weakness | Argenti In-Depth Character Guide
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00:00 Introduction
01:23 Finding the Core of Argenti's Kit
03:53 Argenti's Attack Pattern
04:44 Argenti's Best Light Cones
06:09 Argenti's Best Relics and Planar Set
07:23 Argenti's Eidolons
09:05 Argenti's Team Setups
10:16 Final Build
10:36 Final Words
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To clarify more about the Energy Rope preference over Attack Rope. You see, in a solo-carry setup for Eruditions, mobs just straight up dies after being tickled. There is no such situation where an Erudition can consistently hit more than 2 enemies at once except if we're talking about MOX6 where enemies constantly respawn as soon as they die. Taking into calculation hitting 3 enemies or more enemies per turn is UNREALISTIC. And even then, even if Argenti is somehow killing trash mobs continuously, he would STILL benefit from Energy Rope regardless and it won't be a huge damage loss. ER Rope Argenti Showcase ua-cam.com/video/zaI5GqJGh_g/v-deo.html
Does ERR increase the amount of kill energy you get from 10 to like 12-13?
@@floofzykitty5072 It does.
Is using an attack rope with better subs better than using energy rope? Would it make a huge difference when using energy rope than attack?
@@cloroxknights8175 I much prefer getting into certain energy breakpoints but if your ATK rope is really that good, then use it instead.
I think pure fiction mode will have similar mechanics to constant respawn, so it's something to consider moving forward. But of course, no one should build a character in a way that is only more effective every 2 weeks in a rotating game mode.
"One should not be faulted when they are playing the game correctly". This phrase truly covers every guide in every game.
never liked this trend of people looking at newer characters and immediately calling them names without giving them the chance to be tested fairly first. thanks for another awesome and reliable guide dreamy!
a dreamy-approved erudition character? that means we have reached peak hsr content lol, once again thanks for the guide
All my friends are calling me crazy when i said that Argenti would be very strong. It's been proven soo many times that simple kits with high multipliers is a recipe for a strong characters but they would keep calling him mid. I'm glad you are proving that's not the case on day one, thanks Dreamy.
Maybe they think he will be Eula of Star Rail.
High multipliers
Perciewved as good on release
Juicy looking i mean what.
@@Mitoru.I'm sorry but I saw other comment on yt says exactly what you've said right now, can you explain why does everyone compared Argenti to Eula? I don't play Genshin soo I do not know
@@qqkya6059 Eula is a physical unit that have backloaded dmg specifically on her burst with High multipliers but depending on the stacks you managed to stack. Its kinda same as Argenti kit but Argenti is more of a Frontloaded than Eula since the stacking on Eula burst takes too long,. Since her stacking mechanics forces you to use her basic atk & skills to get more stacks, enemies would die before Eula ult burst. Note that Eula basic atk & skill have good multiplier too.
Imo, it does feel the same but the playstyle is really different. Argenti burst is AOE but his ult would highly dmg the single target boss due to how his Ult works.
Oh, just to let yknow Eula is a good unit, with the correct team she can slaps any bosses, even bosses that have physical resistance due to how her kit can reduce enemy phys res. The only thing that annoys the playerbase is how her dmg is backloaded, very clunky to use since she's melee, and some enemies either moves a lot, or they fly = Eula cant hit so no stacking on burst.
Also because Eula rerun took 500 days, since her first release. Not lot of people have her so mostly just shittalk about her while not having her.
@@qqkya6059 they are both physical damage dealers, except physicall is ass in genshin. no other similarities I guess.
@@passiveaggresivesquirrel2052the difficult to charge burst with high damage is also common to both, but argenti just does comparatively more damage.
The Argenti doomposting was so embarrassing.... now that he's finally out and (surprise!) he does extremely well for himself, I hope those people can stfu for good.
Thanks for the great guide as usual, Dreamy. The possibility of an ERR rope was one I considered and quickly dismissed, because I figured his high base ATK and tendency for DMG% LCs would much prefer an ATK rope. I'm glad to be proven wrong in this regard. Then again, with how difficult it is to get an ERR rope, this may not be so great....
It was legit extremely embarrassing that I'm getting secondhand embarassment for whoever posted them.
"People say that one of Eruditions big weakness is that they require multiple supports to shine. The thing is... Why would that even be considered a weakness? Why buffing up a buff receptive damage dealer be some sort of disadvantage?" FINALLY SOME SENSE! seriously, my friend likes to mock me due to my investment on JY, ok I know about the JY issues but even so I like the character so I dont mind. But I can clear the current MoC 10 (sting side) in 2 cycles and got 30* and he has a E1S1 Seele and cant beat in less than 10, losing 1 star by default. I just said: "My 'Midyuan' can beat sting and his adds... how about your Seele now?"
I really appreciate how you *actually* analyze and practically test a character first before uploading a video. No "guide for upcoming..." or "is it worth pulling for" before the banners are actually out. Actual results in real battle scenarios > theorycrafting without testing (or saying "i've tested this thoroughly" but not really showing any of it.)
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Seeing as you also tend to use the overlooked characters, and with most of them being Erudition, you really do fit the Path that admires thinking, logic, and strategic behavior.
This was supposed to be a skip patch. Your guide has really made me reconsider. Beautiful work and strong argument for the Erudition class. I love my QQ and she really made me rethink the Erudition class. I may have to give Argenti a pull
Oof, ditto. Was going to skip but maybe fish for Hanyas... now I don't even know what to do lol
solid vid sensei dorimi! thank you for always putting in a lot of effort into your work, we truly appreciate it :DDD
Salute to you!! i admire how you go so much in researching and showcasing their kits
Now that you've drawn my attention to it, I really am confused why "needs good team supports" would be considered a weakness for a DPS. Weren't most team cores a pick two of Tingyun/Bronya/Pela/Asta alongside a sustain and a main DPS anyway? Heck, the supports in HSR are so generally good I don't get why you wouldn't be raising them anyway if you were concerned with maximizing the power of any DPS, let alone specifically a "less strong" one.
I'm really glad the ER% Salsotto rope I held onto "just in case" is actually going to have a good home!
Definitely sticking around for the videos fam, thank you ♡
I love your final words about erudition class, it's so true. Thanks a lot for all your content
As alway Dreamy delivered ❤❤
You killed it Dreamy. Good job!
The Moment I read that his Ult also has Bounce Damage, I knew he can work in Single Target.
The guide I was waiting for
Can't wait for your showcases of Argenti 😊
Great guide and fast as usual!
Thank you very much Dreamy!!
You love to see it
His ult is so satisfying oh my god
I love it so much
I like how thoughtful your guides are, and how often you go against the grain. Nice to have different persoectives. 🎉
Thanks for the guide
I could not agree more with your final words. Jing Yuan was my very first limited 5 star character and I loved him. So many bosses as of right now kept spawning multiple things on the field, and doing AoE damage was a life safer. The Hunt is very hyped but I don't like the single target focus when a deer boss summons multiple plants .-.
Thank you for your guide, my usual go to guide maker seemed to have stopped doing HSR guides (especially for 4 stars) and I'm glad I stumbled upon your channel for a straight forward and organised guide. Keep up the good work Dreamy =w=/
Thankies for the guide! Good to see fellow erudition fans as well. 😊❤
I really love how simple his kit is as it pretty much align with how I play Jing Yuan (saving ult until guaranteed 10 stacks as much as possible).
I have been playing for months and just now see that planar set can be activated through buff gain in battle😂😂😂
thank you for the guide!
Thanks for another great guide
As someone new to hsr and pulling for this guy, thanks dreamy foe the guide 🙏
Daheck, where you've been?!
his kit is simple but in that simplicity is some serious power, he smacks enemies really hard and i'm honestly looking forward to him in action with the new content from the dev journal
One Word for Argenti.
*King 👑*
That's why you dont trust doom poster
Argenti with Himeko against mobs with fire or physical weakness is a chef’s kiss combo! I am guessing that Ruan Mei will take this combo to new heights.
Hooo boi they are coming. All jokes aside goated content dreamy
whenever a new banner drops, first thing i do is watch the dreamy guide
Ever since his official preview, I always compared him to Himeko, not only in looks, but also in gameplay & utility. Happy to find yet another good erudition unit.
Im glad I did 1 Yolo multi today and ACTUALLY pulled him. I like that his auto play is smarter too.
accidentally got this good boy at a mistaken ten pull on the wrong banner and glad to see he is dreamy approved
I’ll build him dutifully in your honor (despite crying for my silver wolf and ruan mei funds)
Nice guide as always and showing Erudition getting more love
At this point, I really want to see your JY guide. Nice work.
I think it Will took forever i hope that wont be the case
Ty Dreamy
Herodition ftw~ Thanks Dreamy
Ahhh, I must get him on his rerun... my jades are for Kafka E1 and DHIL E2 right now, but he looks so cool.
During Argenti's banner I had planned to get Eidolons for Hanya, Lynx and Asta, but unfortunately the gacha system didn't want me to get Hanya and so I literally got literally E1 Geppie, E5 Lynx and E6 Asta, but no Hanya. i was greedy and wanted my Hanya and in the end I got her but with Argenti loll. But at the end I wasn't mad, because I know Dreamy cooked up a great guide for this handsome man so I can build him
most flexible neck 😭
Got him and Hanya today. ❤
as a long time MMO player i find funny that you call Paths Classes XD
nice video, it helped me!
Dreamy confirming our favorite hot knight boi is king. GREAT VIDEO ♥️
nice video dreamy! anyway, i'm curious about his auto battle capability, especially regarding his ult?
I legit haven't tried him on auto yet lol.
“The empty slot for the physical element”
Clara: Am I a joke to you?
First time seeing a guide from yours, i just loved ❤
Yeah the doomposting kind of annoyed me. As long as Dreamy, an Emanator of Erudition, likes him, I feel validated.
How could I not watch a guide from THE master of Erudition
Argenti slaps so hard in SU, MoC, and overworld especially with Huohuo, Tingyun, and Bronya
Your voice is very beautiful , I would have love to hear some future HSR char with your Voice
Argenti is honestly so fun to use. I somehow have every Erudition character, and before I got Argenti, I disliked Erudition till I gave Himeko a actual try, then actually built my Jing Yuan and while their damage isn't too insane, I just find them fun to use. My Argenti now is looking fun to use AND is able to do pretty amazing damage. So excited to build him & his team!
He seems so cool, but Clara is my favorite character and even though she is difficult to manage I was able to get 2 more copies of her last month. So I'm just gonna stick it out with Clara. Not to mention Ruan Mei is coming soon.
accidentally got argenti while pulling for hanya (20 pulls 50/50, no hanya...), but after trying him in the boulder town trial event, even with that sad 60/80 free trial crit ratio he still hits like a truck. sadly i didn't prefarm for him and us currently farming for ruan mei + dr ratio and on 1.6 i will be farming for hanabi and black swan so i might only be able to farm for argenti during 2.0
Even the Event where you can also try him is crazy strong, spamming his Ult with Max Energy upon Shield Break & Enemies that recover from Shield Break have their Toughness reduced by 80%.
Still I have to stay strong for my aspired Kalpas expy I sought since his bossfight from Hi3's Elysian Realm. It isn't Sam-over yet... Copeum...
I'm convinced prydwen place character's general tier based on how they rank their single target performance, it's easy to give erudition characters the stink eye if all you do is check tierlists.
Ive seen alot of doom posting on reddit and alot of negative impressions when his leak was first released, myself included. But i think ive changed my mind because of this video. Really opened my mind and that there is really no bad unit, just bad players.(i hope i can get his e0s1 🙏) Btw will you make a hanya guide? It seems like she does alot of buffing at e0 but not sure if theres some caveat.
Yea, Hanya guide will be up in a day or two.
Daam, my man looks glorious rocking that knighthood, but my E1 Clara is glaring at me even considering him
“pair him with our foxian beauty with the most flexible neck” LMAO
I recommend inert selsoto for the extraa Crit so you can reach 50% more comfortably. and with his talent that's 75% so basically always ez crit.
The Firament is great but you need to adjust your build or use unit that provides speed. and sometimes some units that provide speed (Asta/Hanya) might be needed by the other team. although you can also use other relics that buff your speed. but I honestly think Salsoto would be better. not to mention. in Simulated.. you can get the Elation buff that makes your ult work like Follow up lol
Better to go all in Argenti banner for him and Hanya or w8 for Ruan Mei?
Male Himeko let's go!
Will be pulling him in his rerun since I prioritize Bladie first in the next patch haha
But boi I do want him
Powercreep going crazy fr
Dreamy have the same mind set as me , when you can have all the elements, all the erudition, ALL THE ENEMIES DEAD AT ONCE
I got s5 geniuses repose LC before Argenti even leaked... I think now it's a good time to use it for him 😆
I really want Hanya and I wouldn't mind Argenti but I really want Ruan Mei and I'm at 50 pity so I don't want to risk pulling it, not when her and maybe Black Swan is on the horizon. Hopefully they give us a 4 star selector for CNY like Genshin.
Still prefer my Clara, but Argenti looks so fun and strong. :)
He and Ruan Mei would become best buddies, there's going to be powerful breaks everywhere...
Can Clara and Argenti be on the same team. I both of them
Trying to grab Hanya & 2*10 Pulls net me both Argentina + Hanya 🎉. Guess Ice Mommy saving still save 💙
I didn't realize that if you look beyond his 180 max energy ult, his 90 cost ult is just as devastating and it's actually so cheap.
also you're the first person I watched who suggests ERR rope over ATK
I love your hard work Dreamy. Youre my favorite from arknights through any game!
Just coming back to the game and pulled myself an argenti and hanya. I missed pulling houhou tho so my healing support options are bailu or Natasha 😅 which would you consider to be better for argenti team?
Both are fine. Generally, Bailu is better but nowadays, cleanse is important so sometimes Natasha could be better.
letss f*ckinnnnnn gooooooo dreamy
I like some advice for Herta, I can 5 cycle the bug last MoC but I'm not sure how to 0 cycle with s5 seriousness, I have e6 pela with her and e5 tingyun and for sustain I have e1 huohuo. Is s5 seriousness not good? The other thing I have his herta's sig but that's a 4 star LC and makes her more of a sub dps. I also have topaz if that makes any difference but when I tested her out pela was still better at bug with a 1 cycle difference. Might be because bug spawns a bunch of enemies so just having one enemy have a debuff isn't good in a aoe setting. What I haven't tried is my e1 bronya with either cogs at s5 or her sig at s1, e6 asta, and SW e2 with her sig
I don't think you'll be able to 0-cycle with S5 Breakfast. Even with S1 Before Dawn, I can't 0-cycle the current MOC10 2nd half. My best so far is 2 cycles.
something i’ve always wondered but haven’t tested, will relic and planar effect activate if the required stats are only achieved after entering battle? (unless the effect says when entering battle)
It depends; for examples if it's from your own traces (something like Himeko's crit rate increase at high health) which then reaches the threshold for Inert Salsotto, then yes. However if it's based on enemies conditions, like Wastelander's increase crit rate on debuffed enemies, it'll not be taken account for thresholds on Salsotto or Rutilant sets since it doesn't modify YOUR OWN crit rate like the former
@@FreeWillMind, yes, the modification has to show up on the target’s stat screen during battle to trigger equipment effects.
Hi Dreamy, are you going to make a vid on Agenti's sig LC by any chance? Will it be good for other Erudition characters?
Yep. I'll try to make an updated guide for all Eruditions that I play.
Tbh i was planning to pull on sw and i got her (50/50) and since i want hanya and lynx so i pulled them manage to get e6 asta e4 hanya and e2 lynx and the best part i won 50/50 to argenti but sadly i dont have mats and money to level him 😅 i guess it will take months before i can use him
I pulled for him solely because he's a husbando!!
"-Erudition weak!
-Unfortunately for you, I'm making them working for a living"
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ms d i have a question !
i don't have any damage d (5 s ) except kafka , should i pull for the knight ? , for sustainers i do have the mama mia duo locha and Ma'am fo , so what you think should i or should not cause in the other side i have to wait for so long for the next dps or the re roll of dony il or the greatest swordsman ( women ) , for buffers i have the supreme garden and one away from e6 tingy , as for d b i have e2 pila ( currently done with her trays , and now 80% done of her relec ) , my main thought was skip every thing and pull for the third genius in our journey we will meet, after that pull for black s but when we look at the plan that is massive waist of resources ( moc ) , so what you think ?
And the most important thing , great video as usual keep it up ms d and wish you great day 😊 .
If you're really really trying to save resources, I'd argue that Clara, Sushang and Phy MC can do fine. You don't particularly need Argenti.
@@LisaraScarlet i do have clara with her lc , sushang e4 !
@@LisaraScarlet i forgot to mention that i have it guaranteed !
Is Argenti's LC better than Before Dawn for Himeko though? I'm wondering only because I'm planning to pull for one of those (when JY has his rerun)
Also love how you put the Crown sign when showing that Himeko has highest base atk xdd lovely guide and so much to gain even as someone who is not pulling Argenti
I plan to make updated calculation on all Eruditions that I play including Himeko for a future video. Even though I haven't calculated it yet, I would assume that Before Dawn is still Himeko's best LC.
@@LisaraScarlet ooo i'm so looking forward to that video then 🤍 ty
Is ERR rly worth it in the long run compared to ATK? Just curious since i know you're a erudition main and no other content creator is recommending this
It is. What he doesn't need is a SPD boots.
With Tingyun and Hanya on team, is it possible to spam TY skill for faster ult?
You can but don't forget that Hanya's burden requires allies to attack it 3 times per Hanya's skill cast, else, she will only be SP neutral.
i recently pulled argenti and sw along with e5 hanya, so the current characters i have (that are built or im planning to build) are qq, asta, fite mc, huohuo, argenti, hanya, bronya and huohuo. i know for the second team with argenti i want him, hanya and huohuo but i don't know who else to add, and also how to keep my first team alive with only either fire mc or lynx
Lynx is fine for now. You sound like a new player, maybe aim for Luocha whenever he gets his rerun although if you can still be patient, I recommend waiting for Fu Xuan's rerun.
@@LisaraScarlet yes, im around ar 52 right now. im just trying to focus on building my two teams cus i finally have a 2nd dps for moc, which is like the only content i can do rn
Well maybe i will try kafka-argenti-guinafen-luocha/huohuo
Kafka using her lc and new relic
Guinafen using lc -16 def and new relic
Luocha using there is 4*lc if you s5 every abundance skill get 5 energy for all if i am not wrong
Maybe that team very versatile in every mode ( idk maybe there point issue )
*This is just my opinion
I have only seele as a dps right now at TL 55, so should i pull for argenti or bladie(rerun) ? Pls suggest ur thoughts as F2P
They both good go for which one u like more but tbh blade loves his lc so argentina would be my choice tbh
At what point does Crit Damage have dimenishing returns? When farming gear for Argenti I managed to get to 228% with lightcone. Would going any higher make much of a difference?
Every stat will diminish as long as you keep stacking them. The only thing that doesn't diminish is defense reductions since it gets stronger the more you stack it.
As long as your atk is decent and hit your speed threshold, crit damage usually needs more investment to reach the same thresholds, due to the stat being more rare in buffs and substats.
People are so quick to judge that certain char is bad/mid before even its release. (Happened to Luocha too when people are underestimate him just bcs he's ATK scaling)
I'm so glad that both of my husbandos aren't as bad as they said❤
Dreamy is his lc good on himeko?
Should be pretty good.
Have you considered making a guide for Jing Yuan? With the release of the follow up set and Hanya there's more to cover.
I need to get Jing Yuan himself first. Waiting for his rerun.
well with upcoming ruan mei
People will pull for her
So like kokomi in genshin if he is good than most of us will pull him in the rerun
I just want to ask, should i get blade or argenti? And is sw e1 worth it?
Blade is high value for the fact that his only alternatives is Dan Heng and Sampo but he himself is actually easily replaceable whenever the next Wind damage dealer is released because Blade is not as strong as people deem him to be. He isn't buff receptive but maybe Ruan Mei's release would change that.
Argenti on the other hand has a strong alternative which is Clara but Clara would probably underperform once the new mode is released. Getting Argenti would not only be a very good Physical damage dealer for MOC but also for that new mode.
Silver Wolf E1 fixes one of her biggest problem, applying her ultimate on multiple targets. It is most likely her best eidolon but it is for the same reason why Pela is typically regarded as better DEF shredder since her ultimate is naturally AOE.
@@LisaraScarlet i see, thanks for answering! I will try to get Argenti b4 his banner end
Update: i got Argenti!! Won the 50/50
I’m considering getting his lightcone for my Herta hypercarry. Do you think it is comparable or better than Before Dawn for Herta specifically?
Not at all, Herta would only get a 39% ult damage increase and 36 crit damage, Before down would give 36CD 18% ult and skill damage increase and 48% follow up damage increase
Better use Jingyuan LC if you want to use Herta. Argenti LC only gives Cdmg and ulti DMG based on max energy count.
Before Dawn is still better. If you want something to compete against Before Dawn on Herta, the best alternative is Milky Way.
Are you pulling for him? Thanks for all the hard work you put into your guides!
Yes. I just woke up from a nap, I've been staying up all night trying to finish Hanya's guide.
@@LisaraScarlet I'm looking forward to 0 Cycle MOC 10 with Argenti lol
me pulling for argenti's lc to use on himeko instead of argenti himself 😇🙏 pulled jy lc for herta and now himeko gets to eat
I thought bounce attacks will still have a chance to hit 0 HP enemies as long as they are on the field (like lightning lord and the recent moc turbulence?). But it seems like that's not the case, like in 2:28. I could've sworn that it worked the way I thought it did. I'm confused now 🤧
No, bounce attacks don’t hit dead enemies, but numbers will show up for area attacks. So lightning lord will hit the one alive enemy, but a lot of numbers will show up due to the splash.