The person who always breaks away from the group... As I am usually second wheel or at the front, it's usually up to me to do a big Z4- Z5 effort to bring that person back. Feel like a shepherd dog sometimes. The group ride ain't the TDF... there's no medal in reaching the end point first.
A group I used to ride with had a few guys who were pretty undisciplined and would start messing around. I enjoy having some fun while riding, but these guys would feed off of one another and would start running red lights and antagonizing drivers. Eventually we would just let them disappear up the road and do our own ride. Of course, there was one of them who would frequently comment afterwards how he had "smashed (us) on that ride", not realizing that we had no intention of catching him.
The worst type of cyclist to ride with, is any other cyclist. I like riding by myself. I spend all week surrounded with people, having to constantly communicate with others at work. I need the solitude and silence
Well said,I am 53yr and have been cycling solo for 25yrs…. I have seen groups on the road and its more talking than anything else. I will forever be a solo cyclist….
In mountaineering, the act of waiting for a slower member of the group just long enough for him to catch up and then setting off right away is called the "italian break". It's considered bad manners.
The worst I came across was a rider in my wifes riding group. This guy talked shit constantly, called the other riders slugs, and never shutup about how he's the fastest. I was a pro rider a few years back, and my wife told me about this guy. So, I went with her on the group ride while I was vacation. (I usually work during their rides) Dude shows up and says, "Hey slugs, ready to watch how a good rider does it?" He then looks at me and says, "Oh, a newb, try not to get dropped, ok? This group is slow enough." A couple of miles into the ride was the first big hill, and the dude says, "How about you slugs try and keep up this time!" He then stood up and accelerated. My wife looked at me and said, "Ok, now." I took off like a shot. Each pedal stroke was lifting my front tire off the ground, sprinting for all I was worth, with some adrenaline helping fuel me. I caught and passed him like he was standing still, and yelled "ON YOUR LEFT" as I passed him. I heard a "WTF!" as I continued up the hill. I did a track stand waiting for the group at the top of the hill, my wife rode up to me with the biggest smile on her face. We didn't hear anything else out of the dudes mouth that day. Being a fast rider is great, but don't put people down for being slower, you're just being an ass.
@archieman123 Fox racing, back in the 90s. I'm an oldie now. :) The story happened a couple decades ago. I raced Cat1 road, crit and XC MTB before they got too crazy, back when XC was more like gravel races are now. Just a couple sponsors on the road side, not like I was a GT rider or anything.
@@erli974Quite a few years ago, but yea. This type of thing is extremely common, heck, I just watched a vid of a GT rider doing it last week. It's nothing special, the guy was just a dick.
The new guy that have the most expensive bike money can buy but didn't buy and bring spare tube/pump/repair kit even if they ride on a mountain in the middle and nowhere and have a puncture and of course don't know how to fix a puncture. There was this guy, pretty new cyclist that bought a Dogma F. He had a puncture in the mountain, didn't bring anything. Me and my friend wanted to give him a spare tube but of course the guy was riding super deep rims wheels (because it's the new cool as he was told in the shop) and of course our spare tubes hadn't long valves that can fit his wheels. When we took off the tire from the rims, of course the guy was riding TPU tube (he wasn't even aware of what is it) that need specific repair kit that we don't have. We had so much fun during this ride!
was actually a ride leader who rides at their own pace and then when a slower rider stops to refill their water bottles, in front of the entire riding group, the ride leader made fun of/scolded them for needing to stop. never riding with that ride leader again.
I've been the rider who's faster than everyone else. When it occurs, I just thank the group leader for the ride and dismiss myself to ride ahead at my pace. As I'm then no longer part of the group, I'm no longer affecting the group. I've also been the rider who dropped back to collect, encourage, and ultimately stay with a dropped rider.
If one wants to stay in the group but feels especially energetic that day, is it considered to be rude to occasionally take off for a few minutes then slow down or stop to let the group catch up, with the understanding that you're not trying to increase the group's pace or put pressure on others but just taking off now and then because you can, so long as you make this clear?
A Gawker is the worst. We had a guy that would rotate to the front of the pace line and ride mostly at the pace, but if he saw something, a cow, a horse, a duck, he would spin his head and stop pedaling. I twitched my bike off his wheel just barely missing him. I expressed my displeasure and his response was 'I thought everyone would want to see'. Never rode near him afterwards.
The snot rocketeer. The guy who is so blissfully unaware of the wind, his position in the group, or the group at all and proceeds to launch a load of green head cheese into the wind only for it to boomerang back into the group. COME. ON.
I keep a mental list of these people and do everything possible not to ride behind them. As a ride leader I mention this disgusting practice prior to the ride and still it happens!
Heh, I once accidentally did this to another rider, thankfully just spit and not snot, while riding by myself doing loops in the park with few riders around and not noticing that someone was either riding my wheel or coming up behind me right in my "spit spray zone". This was way way way before covid so no worries there, but I did feel bad about it and profusely apologized, but then it's not always possible or necessary to be fully aware of everyone around you in a closed loop without many riders around. Never did it again as I now always look before loogieng.
One of my favorite group rides is this out and back that lets everyone go at their own pace on the same route for about 45 min so they then have 45 min to get back to the start making for a 1.5 hour ride where everyone pushes themselves as much as they want. Really cuts down on the talk about what equipment everyone "needs" and the complaining about getting dropped/going too slow. Everyone ends back the start and around the same time with the workout they wanted in this pattern.
@@gcn by the time we're 20 min in, groups have formed and we all meet up back at the start to hang out afterward with the greater group. I guess you gotta have a big enough group
I live in the suburbs of Philadelphia. Having moved here from the Denver are I can say unequivocally that the motorists here are INFINITELY more conscientious, polite and careful than the drivers in Denver. Much to my surprise. Furthermore, the roads are incredibly twisty, windy and up and down. With little to no shoulder whatsoever. In the twelve years I have lived here I have had ZERO run ins and only a could close calls. Usually, they go completely across the road and often slow down as they do. I have never been honked at! In Colorado that was a daily or at least weekly occurrence. Where roads are dead straight for the most part and have 4 ft bike lanes everywhere. Just sayin' - MAJOR SHOUT OUT FOR PHILLY MOTORISTS! THANK YOU!
Love the guy who put the bust bike on the pavement. Two years ago there were two strategically placed broken / crashed bikes at the side of the road on the descent from the mighty Fauniera in the Fausto Coppi sportif. Certainly made me slow it down a little!!
Absolutely has to be solo riding for me. I commute every day so I gain clarity before work and decompress afterwards. It’s the same on my weekend rides, it’s my time. The only exception is riding with my brother on the odd occasion we get to do it. Cycling and my best pal is just good for the soul.
Type 7: The parasite. Doesn't bring spare tubes. Doesn't bring tools. Expects you to do their repairs. Won't watch and learn when you offer to teach them how to do their own repairs.
The worst person is the one in a group ride who shouts at the top of their voice about every obstacle known to man. A simple point or light word is all that's needed especially on early morning rides
Boom like that, Pierre and his wife are living the dream with Big Sugar, paid training and travel and even a slide show to document their trip. And I am happy for them, just that they should both be jumping on the sofa in anticipation. I know I would be flipping out if I won a trip like that on Wheel of Fortune. 😀
The worst type of riders to ride with are the roadies that have out priced the rest of us and show it. You know the type, they don't say hello or good morning if your bike and kit are sub $15 000. I live around the corner from a high end bike store called La Bicicletta so I have to encounter these posers all the time.
You just confirm all my aversions against group rides plus the risk of crashing from all these riders that think they are in the TdF. I ride alone and only participate in time trials, where all the wouldbe Roglics aren't allowed near my backwheel or front.
A young lady came out on a group ride and struggled in too high a gear, on every hill. I have to make a conscious effort not to be the person dishing out the non-stop advice but at the coffee stop, I did mention that it's no shame to use the smaller ring. She admitted she'd love to but didn't know how. Her return journey was a bit more enjoyable for her.
I once rode with a friend who yelled at a pedestrian saying “NOT YOUR LIGHT” very aggressively as the woman was slightly on the crosswalk. I apologized to her for how he yelled because it was very uncalled for and we were riding slow anyway, plus she wasnt even walking she had stopped. Anyway I’ve had some of my worse rides with people who yell at every single car/driver in their way while they themselves don’t even ride perfect 😅
I am a joker and I sometimes say things that get me in Dutch, butt I loved this episode & I must sat you boys are really funny and getting better and better at this "show" thing. Great effort Gents, Cheers - M
The worst type of cyclist is the one who shows up for the group ride and then complains about the speed no matter how fast or slow the group is going. This cyclist complains about the route as well to many hills or not enough.
The fanatic cycle campaigner. Years ago I tried to join a local CTC. This insane woman was instantly in may face from the first ride. First I got yelled at for wearing a high viz jacket, it's all I has at the time, then I was ordered to put her CTC stickers on my bike and that I need to 'pull my weight' by attending a reclaim the roads demonstration through the town and so on and so on. This local CTC was dead withing a year, she drove everyone into the ground.
I am the worst person to ride with. I get mad and yell at cars and ruin my ride and others by doing it. I am attempting to change my ways, and when I think about it before setting off, it generally goes well.
I went on a ride with someone over the summer and it didn't take long for me to decide i'd never invite them again. They don't ride much, so they took a while to fix a flat they didn't know they had. They wanted to start later than I wanted to, to which I obliged, and they were still late. And I have not even gotten to the reason yet. Once we were off, he started to cross streets as if he owned the road. We have a path away from the road that follows a creek, with intersections at every half mile or so, and this guy would just go into the road to try to get behind a car that was coming, instead of just waiting for it to pass. It confused the shit out of some drivers, and rightfully so. Not only was it dangerous to ride with him, it was embarrassing. No helmet, earbuds. My goodness. Oh and he stopped at the gas station and I never do.
Worst Riding Partner: I was riding with a friend and we were going north on a relatively flat section of hwy 1 in Marin County; I was in the front doing a pull and giving him a long rest and expecting the same in return. Instead, when i pulled off he jumped all over me and sped off leaving me in the dust! I was absolutely livid but there was naught I could do since I was rather tired. I bided my time and recharged my energy stores and slowly crept back to his wheel (this took miles to do); I caught him at the bottom of a hill and, using the dark side of the force, left him in my wake and kept the pressure on for the rest of the 25 miles back to our cars. I had my bike packed in my car and a change of clothes on when he rode up, in time for me to wave bye bye (we're still best of friends - but I never let him forget that).
A: Self-appointed Drill Sargent/Director Sportif Aggressively shouting orders at people…. I won’t ride with them past the 3rd outburst! B: Enforcer of Made Up Rules. I rode a mass fondo last year and came up on a group of about 6 riders going a decent pace so worked with them. After a half hour or so one rider let me know that he was pissed at me for joining the group without asking permission. “That’s just not done!” I told him that I’ve been racing and riding for 40 years and that’s the first time I’ve heard that rule!
@@happydogg312 it may be courteous to ask, but it is factually incorrect that the lead rider works harder than the person behind. He will also work less.
@@happydogg312 Because he still works harder than the guy behind, just less than if he were alone. Group rides are easier for everyone, but of course they have other drawbacks as we discussed!
Kind of a weird response. I often sweep during group rides on Zwift ... which means giving a draft to slower riders to help them. It's not only a good thing to do, but helps with skills like Team Time Trials. Having someone draft you doesn't slow you down... in fact it does actually speed you up a bit, according to science. @@happydogg312
Not true. Scientific studies have shown that the buffer area in front of an object (person or vehicle) actually does push the object in front a bit... You go faster with two people than one, even if the one behind never takes a pull. This was not a case of my not knowing how to do it, throwing off anyone's rhythm or endangering anyone. I was by far the most experienced and smooth at the paceline and helped close gaps left by the others several times... @@happydogg312
Love the moment when Si says:"You've worked for a long time for it", and Chloe in this exact moment (13:27) starts to play with her left-hand-ring on her finger (i think it's the engagement-ring in England as well?). Alex is obviously so supportive and energetic, as well as excited for Chloes race and her training. She seems to know about this deep in her heart and I can kind of feel the deep connection between the two, which makes me happy on the spot. Great content, inspiring people, on and off bike. Thanks! Sorry for any language-mistakes, English is not my mother-tongue, but i hope that it all makes sense! Greetings from Germany Julius
The gear snob. The one who looks down their nose at you because you are not on a brand of bike with particular components and not decked out in a certain line of kit.
4:29 in the US, most group rides are labeled as “drop” or “no drop”. And given a letter A (fastest) through C (slowest). This helps prevent the discomfort when riders are either too fast or too slow for a group.
I do nearly all of my cycling with my wife - its brilliant and I wouldn't want to change it. So she's clearly the worst type of cyclist to ride with, but also the best! Like Alex and Chloe we were really excited to do a big event together (IM 70.3 - I know triathletes eh?) - the best bit of the entire event was seeing her still riding when the road double backed and knowing she had passed all the cut off points and would finish the event.
Guys - love the channel, the content, the characters and styles of ask the presenters and the topics you cover. Great job. Production quality is also brilliant. But why has the sound quality deteriorated at mega-base to that of presenting from the 'smallest room in the house' style.!? Give the presenters their real voices back! 😂
I have a buddy who qualifies as a “worse cyclist to ride with”. He insists on keeping a min of 21mph, if you slow down, he’ll just pull away & leave you. Won’t stop for a coffee, or to take a break. Other than that, great guy! 🤙🏻
@@gcn it’s flat as a cutting board in south Texas so no climbing, however I have him beat on stamina. I go for regular 40-60 mile rides weekly whereas he only goes no more than 30
Back in the 80s a crew of us gathered at a bike shop at closing time and ride mtbs around a campus and nearby city. Trails were scarce but we had fun destroying tubes, rims, forks etc riding up & down stairs and other urban things. The group ride was over when the rider went home.
Some cyclists get impressed with themselves when they reach a certain amount of fitness, and make it a rule to bully slower riders. If your manner of talking to your fellow rider would be unacceptable in normal everyday life, then it's no more acceptable on a ride just because you happen to have a few more years experience on a bike.
People with a healthy amount self esteem don't do that sort of thing. I guess they don't feel good enough in other areas of their lives and are trying to compensate.
I have a Mous Intra Lock and the corresponding case for my phone, such a good mounting option for your phone, love it. Pretty cool to see it featured on GCN.
The worst kind of cyclist to be around is the personality disordered drama creators that instigate problems, talk bad about everyone behind their backs while smiling to their faces pitting everyone against everyone in your group.
I'm the guy who gets dropped. I go along to my local club and often ride with the faster group. I know I'll get dropped, they know I'll get dropped but each week my aim is go further on the ride before getting dropped. I ride the route they do afterwards and end up back to the rugby club for 'refreshments'. They couldn't be more encouraging - I think it depends on the group you ride with. If they do get frustrated with me, they obviously all vent in the group up ahead than to my face!!!
I always ride solo , everyone has their own way of riding and that is rarely in sync with other riders. When I do ride with someone else I always seem to have to fit in with what they want to do
Fix for the doughnut holder: shielded sides and a flip up lid, put a spring loaded ratchet in the bottom so as you take your first doughnut, slide the bottom up a tab, next one's right on top. No need for faffing about trying to pull it off the slider, no extra "sprinkles" because the doughnuts are contained in a tidy, weather proof container. Plus because there's no central spike or springs pushing the doughnut stack up, you could even bring jam or custard filled pastries.
I've been riding a road bike since 15yrs old. I had just spent hours reading reviews and watching videos to choose the tyres I wanted going into winter. I was quite pleased with them. Some complete stranger told me I should get different tyres to go faster. Well, yeah but that wasn't the point
Re. "Who are the worst people to cycle with?" As a rule of thumb, you're pretty safe if you avoid riding with "road cyclist". Specifically, those who think being a "cyclist" is an actual identity. And the subset who run tubeless tyres. By definition they're ridiculous.
The worst ride in a group ride is one rider who has several issues. He can be riding near the kerb the suddenly and without looking swing out in to the middle of the road. Another issue with him. He could riding somewhere near the front of the ride. Then suddenly without warning slow down. Another issue with him. Is he could be riding somewhere near the front of the group. Then suddenly and without looking swing in the middle of the road. Then once in the middle of the road. Suddenly and without warning slow down. Usually when I'm about to pass him. He is also really bad at bouncing off moving cars. Even with all the practice he's had.
Keeping the cable from fraying is not the primary reason for cable ends, more important is safety. Even an unfrayed cable has the potential to create a puncture wound. Since most cable ends are too large in diameter anyway, you might consider using both heat shrink and crimped ends. I solder my cables and then attach aluminum ends.You need to use silver solder with stainless cables, but it allows the end to be attached more securely and still not crush the cable, which increases the tendency to fray.
There's a guy that I ride with sometimes on fast group rides who will fight for wheels for no reason. We'll be riding 2 wide and he'll ride the middle and try to bump onto whoever's tire is moving up forcing me out into the wind. Now I just avoid riding next to him at all. If we slot up together, I fall back.
I don't know about the slow cyclist being that bad. Riding with faster groups has been great for my training, pushes me to put more effort than I would have if I were riding alone, etc. Granted I tell the group beforehand that I am slow, I expect to be dropped, and I don't expect for them to wait for me...if they want to wait, they most certainly can but I don't care either way. My biggest issue is that slow, D-paced group rides (in my area at least) only go out for 15 - 20 mile rides. I may ride slow, but I'd prefer to go further. My long rides are typically 60+ miles on the weekend, with an average of 12mph. If I do a group ride, I usually chose a faster group because their routes go further, but I know I won't be able to keep up.
The correct answer is surely the person who does no bike maintenance, breaks down several times on a ride and expects everyone else to stop and help them fix their issue.
I have shared many. I shared Simon's video on bike fit, and Emma's video on bike fitting for small riders., Dan's video on first time users of clipless pedals with his wife and son. I been watching your channel since 2014. I often share about GCN. The early videos with Matt were funny.! Kind of like faulty towers combined with cycling. The food choice video was funny especially eating baguette while riding. Matt's laughing is contagious!
That guy or gal on a group ride known as "The Long-winder"... the one who purposefully asks another in the pack a question needing a loooong answer while on the toughest hill of the day.
Worst riders include some you covered: • The “GC” guy who sits on your wheel until a hill and then attacks, leaving you deep in the red • The guy who pushed the pace far beyond the group’s comfort level forcing regular waiting spots • Riders who ignore their brakes on the downhill and come up on the outside of the pace line but then fall back to the end to skip a proper turn • Unsafe riders, whether in traffic, downhills, or calling out road hazard
@@gcn I post basic rules in the Strava ‘club’ I manage, which are more about safety than etiquette. Good riders pick-up on manners eventually, but some people never change. Keep up the good segments!
I have a Gore rain jacket and this thing has been absolutely fantastic in the foul weather. It keeps me warm and dry in our northern New York, lake effect snow winters.
I'm a lone wolf rider that sometimes joins random packs. I always wonder if they mind. They don't seem to 😅. I do put the wattage down when in front for as long as I can.
@@matthewlewis2072 I some what do, by joining and feeling their vibe. Like I said, no one has mind so far. Keep in mind, this is in Africa. Completely different mindset and attitude. Don't know how that'd go for me in different countries.
Worst type I’ve ridden either is the constant questioner… “how far will it be?”, “what food did you bring?” “What bike are you going to ride?” “When are we going to stop?” “What brake housing is that?” “How fast do you think we’ll go?”Just a non-stop barrage of questions.
Ive been run down on my bike by 2 mamits being smart assess. They yelled amd screamed at me afterwards for ruining their ride. While I was lying down on the drive lane with my bike on top of me. I was so battered that i had to be helped to the ER. They drove away before I could even get up. That happened a couple of years ago but I'm still on high alert when i spot a mamit in the wild.
Worst type of rider is the one that tells you the group ride is a get to know you easy ride, and then once you are far away they drop the hammer cause they are bored or whatever.
Worst people (and groups) are those who think every hill is a good time to panic and they have to sprint up each one with all they have, only to come to a near standstill at the top.
The worst type of cyclist, at least for me, is the small dynamo, someone light for whom climbing is relatively easy, someone who attacks and drops the group on every climb. This person not only forces the group to work harder on the climb but not be able to recover on use the descents as they are catching up. As well, this person likes to pull on the flats, often taking long turns up front, but because of their small stature, they offer less of a benefit to those of us who are larger and heavier. This isn’t someone riding hard and always pushing the group, it’s someone who doesn’t adjust their riding style for the group. It would be like Vinegaard leading a hilly group ride of sprinters without consideration.
Regarding the Hacks/Bodges section. Doughnut holder is just plain wrong, where I live on the South Coast of England it would end up like a scene from the Birds, where every Seagull in a 5 mile radius would attack.
Simon’s chuckle at the winning caption and his remark about being childish is funny because I think most men’s emotion growth stops about the 8th grade in school.
I have much sympathy for Hank being out of proportion. After Si's vid on the new Canyon gravel bike last week I put my details in to their size calculator and broke it. They don't make a bike that fits someone who is 5'11"/180cm tall but with 29"/73cm legs apparently. Just as well I can't afford a Grail anyway! 🤣
The "one-upper". This is the guy who can't stand being outdone. He is the guy who has has always ridden further or faster or done more climbing than anyone he talks to. Rode a century last weekend? He did a double century? (and why isn't it on Strava? because his computer battery died) Ridden a 5 day stage race? He's done the Tour de France. Got a new, upgraded bike? He's had that one but it got stolen. If he gets dropped will come up with some lame excuse like "my coach wants me doing a recovery ride today". He's the absolute WORST?
What’s the worst type of cyclist you’ve ever ridden with? 👀🚴
The person who always breaks away from the group... As I am usually second wheel or at the front, it's usually up to me to do a big Z4- Z5 effort to bring that person back. Feel like a shepherd dog sometimes.
The group ride ain't the TDF... there's no medal in reaching the end point first.
Undoubtedly it's the half wheeler, nothing worse than someone else with a "long bike".
The rider who always goes fast off the front then afterwards can't keep up cos they've blown up.
@@ghcheongJust let them go. Sometimes they take the hint, sometimes they don't.
A group I used to ride with had a few guys who were pretty undisciplined and would start messing around. I enjoy having some fun while riding, but these guys would feed off of one another and would start running red lights and antagonizing drivers. Eventually we would just let them disappear up the road and do our own ride.
Of course, there was one of them who would frequently comment afterwards how he had "smashed (us) on that ride", not realizing that we had no intention of catching him.
The worst type of cyclist to ride with, is any other cyclist. I like riding by myself. I spend all week surrounded with people, having to constantly communicate with others at work. I need the solitude and silence
Well said,I am 53yr and have been cycling solo for 25yrs….
I have seen groups on the road and its more talking than anything else.
I will forever be a solo cyclist….
If you ride with faster, stronger riders, I guarantee there won’t be much talking.
@@MaddDoggievery true to biz pushing their vo2 max efforts and beating PR's. That's when riders just ride......
Solo +1
Yes mate! Nothing better than solo riding and clearing your head without interruption
In mountaineering, the act of waiting for a slower member of the group just long enough for him to catch up and then setting off right away is called the "italian break". It's considered bad manners.
We think we need to take that into cycling culture too!
We've always called it a "French Regroup"
On group ride we would have to regroup periodically, let the slowest catch up and catch his/her breath. We would ride on when everybody is ready.
The worst I came across was a rider in my wifes riding group. This guy talked shit constantly, called the other riders slugs, and never shutup about how he's the fastest.
I was a pro rider a few years back, and my wife told me about this guy. So, I went with her on the group ride while I was vacation. (I usually work during their rides)
Dude shows up and says, "Hey slugs, ready to watch how a good rider does it?" He then looks at me and says, "Oh, a newb, try not to get dropped, ok? This group is slow enough."
A couple of miles into the ride was the first big hill, and the dude says, "How about you slugs try and keep up this time!" He then stood up and accelerated. My wife looked at me and said, "Ok, now." I took off like a shot. Each pedal stroke was lifting my front tire off the ground, sprinting for all I was worth, with some adrenaline helping fuel me. I caught and passed him like he was standing still, and yelled "ON YOUR LEFT" as I passed him. I heard a "WTF!" as I continued up the hill.
I did a track stand waiting for the group at the top of the hill, my wife rode up to me with the biggest smile on her face. We didn't hear anything else out of the dudes mouth that day.
Being a fast rider is great, but don't put people down for being slower, you're just being an ass.
this happened
Who did you ride for as a pro?
What a douche. I hated him already.
@archieman123 Fox racing, back in the 90s. I'm an oldie now. :) The story happened a couple decades ago.
I raced Cat1 road, crit and XC MTB before they got too crazy, back when XC was more like gravel races are now. Just a couple sponsors on the road side, not like I was a GT rider or anything.
@@erli974Quite a few years ago, but yea. This type of thing is extremely common, heck, I just watched a vid of a GT rider doing it last week. It's nothing special, the guy was just a dick.
The new guy that have the most expensive bike money can buy but didn't buy and bring spare tube/pump/repair kit even if they ride on a mountain in the middle and nowhere and have a puncture and of course don't know how to fix a puncture. There was this guy, pretty new cyclist that bought a Dogma F. He had a puncture in the mountain, didn't bring anything. Me and my friend wanted to give him a spare tube but of course the guy was riding super deep rims wheels (because it's the new cool as he was told in the shop) and of course our spare tubes hadn't long valves that can fit his wheels. When we took off the tire from the rims, of course the guy was riding TPU tube (he wasn't even aware of what is it) that need specific repair kit that we don't have. We had so much fun during this ride!
was actually a ride leader who rides at their own pace and then when a slower rider stops to refill their water bottles, in front of the entire riding group, the ride leader made fun of/scolded them for needing to stop. never riding with that ride leader again.
I've been the rider who's faster than everyone else. When it occurs, I just thank the group leader for the ride and dismiss myself to ride ahead at my pace. As I'm then no longer part of the group, I'm no longer affecting the group. I've also been the rider who dropped back to collect, encourage, and ultimately stay with a dropped rider.
Sounds like the theme here is respecting the group? 👀 Either dropping back and encourage or realising that you might need to take this one solo.
If one wants to stay in the group but feels especially energetic that day, is it considered to be rude to occasionally take off for a few minutes then slow down or stop to let the group catch up, with the understanding that you're not trying to increase the group's pace or put pressure on others but just taking off now and then because you can, so long as you make this clear?
A Gawker is the worst. We had a guy that would rotate to the front of the pace line and ride mostly at the pace, but if he saw something, a cow, a horse, a duck, he would spin his head and stop pedaling. I twitched my bike off his wheel just barely missing him. I expressed my displeasure and his response was 'I thought everyone would want to see'. Never rode near him afterwards.
The snot rocketeer.
The guy who is so blissfully unaware of the wind, his position in the group, or the group at all and proceeds to launch a load of green head cheese into the wind only for it to boomerang back into the group. COME. ON.
I keep a mental list of these people and do everything possible not to ride behind them. As a ride leader I mention this disgusting practice prior to the ride and still it happens!
Heh, I once accidentally did this to another rider, thankfully just spit and not snot, while riding by myself doing loops in the park with few riders around and not noticing that someone was either riding my wheel or coming up behind me right in my "spit spray zone".
This was way way way before covid so no worries there, but I did feel bad about it and profusely apologized, but then it's not always possible or necessary to be fully aware of everyone around you in a closed loop without many riders around.
Never did it again as I now always look before loogieng.
One of my favorite group rides is this out and back that lets everyone go at their own pace on the same route for about 45 min so they then have 45 min to get back to the start making for a 1.5 hour ride where everyone pushes themselves as much as they want. Really cuts down on the talk about what equipment everyone "needs" and the complaining about getting dropped/going too slow. Everyone ends back the start and around the same time with the workout they wanted in this pattern.
Sounds like a good format! Does it allow you to socialise enough though? 🤔
@@gcn by the time we're 20 min in, groups have formed and we all meet up back at the start to hang out afterward with the greater group. I guess you gotta have a big enough group
Genius
thanks for explaining cycling. what most people already suspected, a group ride ride is the equivalent of sticking hot needles in your eyes.
I live in the suburbs of Philadelphia. Having moved here from the Denver are I can say unequivocally that the motorists here are INFINITELY more conscientious, polite and careful than the drivers in Denver. Much to my surprise. Furthermore, the roads are incredibly twisty, windy and up and down. With little to no shoulder whatsoever. In the twelve years I have lived here I have had ZERO run ins and only a could close calls. Usually, they go completely across the road and often slow down as they do. I have never been honked at! In Colorado that was a daily or at least weekly occurrence. Where roads are dead straight for the most part and have 4 ft bike lanes everywhere. Just sayin' - MAJOR SHOUT OUT FOR PHILLY MOTORISTS! THANK YOU!
Love the guy who put the bust bike on the pavement. Two years ago there were two strategically placed broken / crashed bikes at the side of the road on the descent from the mighty Fauniera in the Fausto Coppi sportif. Certainly made me slow it down a little!!
During the interview with Alex and Chloe I couldn't help thinking how good Si's head would look on a coin.
Hahahaha! What amount of money would Si be attached to? 🪙
Someone please try this idea with a 3d printer..
I like that,completely random and completely funny!!! 😂
Easily the most phallic hack or bodge episode ever, and then the caption competition has nuts!
Absolutely has to be solo riding for me. I commute every day so I gain clarity before work and decompress afterwards. It’s the same on my weekend rides, it’s my time. The only exception is riding with my brother on the odd occasion we get to do it. Cycling and my best pal is just good for the soul.
Those daily rides can really clear you mind 🙌 How long have you been commuting for?
They’re essential! 6 years and counting and even in low traffic it works out 10-15 mins faster
Type 7: The parasite. Doesn't bring spare tubes. Doesn't bring tools. Expects you to do their repairs. Won't watch and learn when you offer to teach them how to do their own repairs.
Um, women?
The worst person is the one in a group ride who shouts at the top of their voice about every obstacle known to man. A simple point or light word is all that's needed especially on early morning rides
Boom like that, Pierre and his wife are living the dream with Big Sugar, paid training and travel and even a slide show to document their trip. And I am happy for them, just that they should both be jumping on the sofa in anticipation. I know I would be flipping out if I won a trip like that on Wheel of Fortune. 😀
We're very lucky to get to some amazing races 👀 If you turn your notifications on you wont miss the race day episode 🙌
The worst type of riders to ride with are the roadies that have out priced the rest of us and show it. You know the type, they don't say hello or good morning if your bike and kit are sub $15 000. I live around the corner from a high end bike store called La Bicicletta so I have to encounter these posers all the time.
You just confirm all my aversions against group rides plus the risk of crashing from all these riders that think they are in the TdF.
I ride alone and only participate in time trials, where all the wouldbe Roglics aren't allowed near my backwheel or front.
A young lady came out on a group ride and struggled in too high a gear, on every hill. I have to make a conscious effort not to be the person dishing out the non-stop advice but at the coffee stop, I did mention that it's no shame to use the smaller ring. She admitted she'd love to but didn't know how. Her return journey was a bit more enjoyable for her.
Very kind of you to ask tactfully.
You are the type of cyclist everyone wants to hang around with.
I once rode with a friend who yelled at a pedestrian saying “NOT YOUR LIGHT” very aggressively as the woman was slightly on the crosswalk. I apologized to her for how he yelled because it was very uncalled for and we were riding slow anyway, plus she wasnt even walking she had stopped. Anyway I’ve had some of my worse rides with people who yell at every single car/driver in their way while they themselves don’t even ride perfect 😅
The snot rocketman leading the mouth breather 😂
The group rider that wont shut up. Incessantly droning on about themselves. Leaves you waiting for the next hill to hopefully drop them.
I am a joker and I sometimes say things that get me in Dutch, butt I loved this episode & I must sat you boys are really funny and getting better and better at this "show" thing. Great effort Gents, Cheers - M
The worst type of cyclist is the one who shows up for the group ride and then complains about the speed no matter how fast or slow the group is going. This cyclist complains about the route as well to many hills or not enough.
The fanatic cycle campaigner. Years ago I tried to join a local CTC. This insane woman was instantly in may face from the first ride. First I got yelled at for wearing a high viz jacket, it's all I has at the time, then I was ordered to put her CTC stickers on my bike and that I need to 'pull my weight' by attending a reclaim the roads demonstration through the town and so on and so on. This local CTC was dead withing a year, she drove everyone into the ground.
I am the worst person to ride with. I get mad and yell at cars and ruin my ride and others by doing it. I am attempting to change my ways, and when I think about it before setting off, it generally goes well.
You're a legend Amy. This was amazing and inspiring to watch, thanks for sharing.
Dan with pull-up smack talk and can back it up! Well done Dan!
#CaptionCompetition: Ethan: "Leo, if you're trying to spot mom in the crowd, now's not the time!"
I went on a ride with someone over the summer and it didn't take long for me to decide i'd never invite them again. They don't ride much, so they took a while to fix a flat they didn't know they had. They wanted to start later than I wanted to, to which I obliged, and they were still late. And I have not even gotten to the reason yet. Once we were off, he started to cross streets as if he owned the road. We have a path away from the road that follows a creek, with intersections at every half mile or so, and this guy would just go into the road to try to get behind a car that was coming, instead of just waiting for it to pass. It confused the shit out of some drivers, and rightfully so. Not only was it dangerous to ride with him, it was embarrassing. No helmet, earbuds. My goodness. Oh and he stopped at the gas station and I never do.
Put the donut holder on your helmet and ride like a unicorn!
Worst Riding Partner: I was riding with a friend and we were going north on a relatively flat section of hwy 1 in Marin County; I was in the front doing a pull and giving him a long rest and expecting the same in return. Instead, when i pulled off he jumped all over me and sped off leaving me in the dust! I was absolutely livid but there was naught I could do since I was rather tired.
I bided my time and recharged my energy stores and slowly crept back to his wheel (this took miles to do); I caught him at the bottom of a hill and, using the dark side of the force, left him in my wake and kept the pressure on for the rest of the 25 miles back to our cars. I had my bike packed in my car and a change of clothes on when he rode up, in time for me to wave bye bye (we're still best of friends - but I never let him forget that).
Gee I hope this wasn't me. I love riding in Marin
A: Self-appointed Drill Sargent/Director Sportif Aggressively shouting orders at people…. I won’t ride with them past the 3rd outburst!
B: Enforcer of Made Up Rules. I rode a mass fondo last year and came up on a group of about 6 riders going a decent pace so worked with them. After a half hour or so one rider let me know that he was pissed at me for joining the group without asking permission. “That’s just not done!”
I told him that I’ve been racing and riding for 40 years and that’s the first time I’ve heard that rule!
I thought the road was open to anyone on a bike, car or moped.
@@happydogg312 it may be courteous to ask, but it is factually incorrect that the lead rider works harder than the person behind. He will also work less.
@@happydogg312 Because he still works harder than the guy behind, just less than if he were alone. Group rides are easier for everyone, but of course they have other drawbacks as we discussed!
Kind of a weird response. I often sweep during group rides on Zwift ... which means giving a draft to slower riders to help them. It's not only a good thing to do, but helps with skills like Team Time Trials. Having someone draft you doesn't slow you down... in fact it does actually speed you up a bit, according to science. @@happydogg312
Not true. Scientific studies have shown that the buffer area in front of an object (person or vehicle) actually does push the object in front a bit... You go faster with two people than one, even if the one behind never takes a pull.
This was not a case of my not knowing how to do it, throwing off anyone's rhythm or endangering anyone. I was by far the most experienced and smooth at the paceline and helped close gaps left by the others several times... @@happydogg312
Hack or Bodge sure had a lot of phallus shaped gadgets this week. 🤣
It was so cute to see Alex beaming while Chloe spoke.
The murder mystery comment reminded me that someone wrote a novel about a murder on RAGBRAI - "16,000 Suspects: A RAGBRAI Mystery."
The worst type…town sign sprinters (or climbers) on a coffee ride, wanting to show off to a pro in the group 😅
Don't you love that Alex has a shit-eating grin every time Chloes is around?
The HALF WHEELER!
Love the moment when Si says:"You've worked for a long time for it", and Chloe in this exact moment (13:27) starts to play with her left-hand-ring on her finger (i think it's the engagement-ring in England as well?). Alex is obviously so supportive and energetic, as well as excited for Chloes race and her training. She seems to know about this deep in her heart and I can kind of feel the deep connection between the two, which makes me happy on the spot. Great content, inspiring people, on and off bike. Thanks!
Sorry for any language-mistakes, English is not my mother-tongue, but i hope that it all makes sense! Greetings from Germany
Julius
Loved it, what a hoot. Si is a legend.
The gear snob. The one who looks down their nose at you because you are not on a brand of bike with particular components and not decked out in a certain line of kit.
4:29 in the US, most group rides are labeled as “drop” or “no drop”. And given a letter A (fastest) through C (slowest). This helps prevent the discomfort when riders are either too fast or too slow for a group.
Just watched the new KOM Hunters film. Feather in his national champs GCN kit for the Ventoux "hill" climb. Class!!
Could you get better sight! 🔥
The fact your in your 40's & still enjoy naughty humor, is a great sign.
I do nearly all of my cycling with my wife - its brilliant and I wouldn't want to change it. So she's clearly the worst type of cyclist to ride with, but also the best! Like Alex and Chloe we were really excited to do a big event together (IM 70.3 - I know triathletes eh?) - the best bit of the entire event was seeing her still riding when the road double backed and knowing she had passed all the cut off points and would finish the event.
Guys - love the channel, the content, the characters and styles of ask the presenters and the topics you cover. Great job. Production quality is also brilliant. But why has the sound quality deteriorated at mega-base to that of presenting from the 'smallest room in the house' style.!? Give the presenters their real voices back! 😂
I have a buddy who qualifies as a “worse cyclist to ride with”. He insists on keeping a min of 21mph, if you slow down, he’ll just pull away & leave you. Won’t stop for a coffee, or to take a break. Other than that, great guy! 🤙🏻
Ooooof that's a tough one! How does he climb? Can you wear him out and keep it chilled for the rest of the ride?
Why would you stop for coffee? That's not riding😂
@@gcn it’s flat as a cutting board in south Texas so no climbing, however I have him beat on stamina. I go for regular 40-60 mile rides weekly whereas he only goes no more than 30
Back in the 80s a crew of us gathered at a bike shop at closing time and ride mtbs around a campus and nearby city. Trails were scarce but we had fun destroying tubes, rims, forks etc riding up & down stairs and other urban things. The group ride was over when the rider went home.
Last rider.
Some cyclists get impressed with themselves when they reach a certain amount of fitness, and make it a rule to bully slower riders. If your manner of talking to your fellow rider would be unacceptable in normal everyday life, then it's no more acceptable on a ride just because you happen to have a few more years experience on a bike.
People with a healthy amount self esteem don't do that sort of thing. I guess they don't feel good enough in other areas of their lives and are trying to compensate.
It's never nice to see cyclists imposing themselves on others, the best rides will elevate those around them 🙌
I have a Mous Intra Lock and the corresponding case for my phone, such a good mounting option for your phone, love it. Pretty cool to see it featured on GCN.
Dan and Si venting about their riding mates; priceless...
Dan has riding mates... ? 😂
The worst kind of cyclist to be around is the personality disordered drama creators that instigate problems, talk bad about everyone behind their backs while smiling to their faces pitting everyone against everyone in your group.
One more for your cycling reading list - Socrates by Bike by Guillaume Martin. Yes, that Guillaume Martin of the Cofidis cycling team.
Was that published in English?
@@cilliankelly1Good question, I don"t know. I read it in German...
I'm the guy who gets dropped. I go along to my local club and often ride with the faster group. I know I'll get dropped, they know I'll get dropped but each week my aim is go further on the ride before getting dropped. I ride the route they do afterwards and end up back to the rugby club for 'refreshments'. They couldn't be more encouraging - I think it depends on the group you ride with. If they do get frustrated with me, they obviously all vent in the group up ahead than to my face!!!
That's why I started going solo again and ditched my group rides, I just can't ride with some people. As a result, I'm loving cycling again.
I always ride solo , everyone has their own way of riding and that is rarely in sync with other riders. When I do ride with someone else I always seem to have to fit in with what they want to do
Fix for the doughnut holder: shielded sides and a flip up lid, put a spring loaded ratchet in the bottom so as you take your first doughnut, slide the bottom up a tab, next one's right on top. No need for faffing about trying to pull it off the slider, no extra "sprinkles" because the doughnuts are contained in a tidy, weather proof container. Plus because there's no central spike or springs pushing the doughnut stack up, you could even bring jam or custard filled pastries.
Photo caption,
"Training wheels? Nah, we've got our own version - the 'brother helmet pull' for that extra oomph! #SiblingsSpeedBoost"
I've been riding a road bike since 15yrs old. I had just spent hours reading reviews and watching videos to choose the tyres I wanted going into winter. I was quite pleased with them. Some complete stranger told me I should get different tyres to go faster. Well, yeah but that wasn't the point
Sorry you've had bad experience with other riders - hope those tyres are holding up well for winter ❄
Re. "Who are the worst people to cycle with?"
As a rule of thumb, you're pretty safe if you avoid riding with "road cyclist". Specifically, those who think being a "cyclist" is an actual identity.
And the subset who run tubeless tyres. By definition they're ridiculous.
@@happydogg312 Yes you are. 🤣
34:45 The Greg Moody cycling novels are excellent. Maybe I'll see Albert strolling knocking around NWA.
I like the 3D printed doughnut. holder because the sprinkles match the paint color of the bike. Looks like a Barbie Bike
The worst ride in a group ride is one rider who has several issues. He can be riding near the kerb the suddenly and without looking swing out in to the middle of the road. Another issue with him. He could riding somewhere near the front of the ride. Then suddenly without warning slow down. Another issue with him. Is he could be riding somewhere near the front of the group. Then suddenly and without looking swing in the middle of the road. Then once in the middle of the road. Suddenly and without warning slow down. Usually when I'm about to pass him. He is also really bad at bouncing off moving cars. Even with all the practice he's had.
Ive been using heat-shrink tubing on cable ends forever, thought it was just normal ^^
Keeping the cable from fraying is not the primary reason for cable ends, more important is safety. Even an unfrayed cable has the potential to create a puncture wound. Since most cable ends are too large in diameter anyway, you might consider using both heat shrink and crimped ends. I solder my cables and then attach aluminum ends.You need to use silver solder with stainless cables, but it allows the end to be attached more securely and still not crush the cable, which increases the tendency to fray.
There's a guy that I ride with sometimes on fast group rides who will fight for wheels for no reason. We'll be riding 2 wide and he'll ride the middle and try to bump onto whoever's tire is moving up forcing me out into the wind. Now I just avoid riding next to him at all. If we slot up together, I fall back.
I don't know about the slow cyclist being that bad. Riding with faster groups has been great for my training, pushes me to put more effort than I would have if I were riding alone, etc. Granted I tell the group beforehand that I am slow, I expect to be dropped, and I don't expect for them to wait for me...if they want to wait, they most certainly can but I don't care either way. My biggest issue is that slow, D-paced group rides (in my area at least) only go out for 15 - 20 mile rides. I may ride slow, but I'd prefer to go further. My long rides are typically 60+ miles on the weekend, with an average of 12mph. If I do a group ride, I usually chose a faster group because their routes go further, but I know I won't be able to keep up.
Love the Rockstar logo in the back :)
My man welcoming you all ❤❤❤❤❤ What a dude.
The correct answer is surely the person who does no bike maintenance, breaks down several times on a ride and expects everyone else to stop and help them fix their issue.
Ah great point! The'll never take tube out with them too 😡
Oh damn! I know this guy!
100% about advice Simon. I don't give advice unless I'm asked. I do share about GCN. You all are far more knowledgeable and entertaining!
That's what we like to hear! Which GCN vides do you find the best to share around? 🎬
I have shared many. I shared Simon's video on bike fit, and Emma's video on bike fitting for small riders., Dan's video on first time users of clipless pedals with his wife and son. I been watching your channel since 2014. I often share about GCN. The early videos with Matt were funny.! Kind of like faulty towers combined with cycling. The food choice video was funny especially eating baguette while riding. Matt's laughing is contagious!
7:33 Jist watching this after the Tech Show ... where Si absolutely rinsed Frederick for Oli not having an inner tube and getting a puncture.
That guy or gal on a group ride known as "The Long-winder"... the one who purposefully asks another in the pack a question needing a loooong answer while on the toughest hill of the day.
A single 'rage monster' made me feel so endangered (and I don't even think he was right) that I stopped group riding 5 years ago.
Worst riders include some you covered:
• The “GC” guy who sits on your wheel until a hill and then attacks, leaving you deep in the red
• The guy who pushed the pace far beyond the group’s comfort level forcing regular waiting spots
• Riders who ignore their brakes on the downhill and come up on the outside of the pace line but then fall back to the end to skip a proper turn
• Unsafe riders, whether in traffic, downhills, or calling out road hazard
These are bad riding habits! Do you have group rules that mean this stuff isn't allowed?
@@gcn I post basic rules in the Strava ‘club’ I manage, which are more about safety than etiquette. Good riders pick-up on manners eventually, but some people never change. Keep up the good segments!
The third one you mentioned, reminds me how track cyclists take turns.
I have a Gore rain jacket and this thing has been absolutely fantastic in the foul weather. It keeps me warm and dry in our northern New York, lake effect snow winters.
I'm a lone wolf rider that sometimes joins random packs.
I always wonder if they mind. They don't seem to 😅. I do put the wattage down when in front for as long as I can.
That is so naughty 😆
Ask
@@matthewlewis2072 I some what do, by joining and feeling their vibe. Like I said, no one has mind so far.
Keep in mind, this is in Africa. Completely different mindset and attitude.
Don't know how that'd go for me in different countries.
Worst type I’ve ridden either is the constant questioner… “how far will it be?”, “what food did you bring?” “What bike are you going to ride?” “When are we going to stop?” “What brake housing is that?” “How fast do you think we’ll go?”Just a non-stop barrage of questions.
Ive been run down on my bike by 2 mamits being smart assess. They yelled amd screamed at me afterwards for ruining their ride. While I was lying down on the drive lane with my bike on top of me. I was so battered that i had to be helped to the ER. They drove away before I could even get up. That happened a couple of years ago but I'm still on high alert when i spot a mamit in the wild.
I have never not got to the end of a GCN Show
Worst type of rider is the one that tells you the group ride is a get to know you easy ride, and then once you are far away they drop the hammer cause they are bored or whatever.
Anyone who thinks that you can "slack off" on the back of a tandem has never ridden on a tandem, lol.
Worst people (and groups) are those who think every hill is a good time to panic and they have to sprint up each one with all they have, only to come to a near standstill at the top.
The worst type of cyclist, at least for me, is the small dynamo, someone light for whom climbing is relatively easy, someone who attacks and drops the group on every climb. This person not only forces the group to work harder on the climb but not be able to recover on use the descents as they are catching up. As well, this person likes to pull on the flats, often taking long turns up front, but because of their small stature, they offer less of a benefit to those of us who are larger and heavier. This isn’t someone riding hard and always pushing the group, it’s someone who doesn’t adjust their riding style for the group. It would be like Vinegaard leading a hilly group ride of sprinters without consideration.
Small guy pulling flats and dropping on hills? This guy must be a pure power machine
Regarding the Hacks/Bodges section.
Doughnut holder is just plain wrong, where I live on the South Coast of England it would end up like a scene from the Birds, where every Seagull in a 5 mile radius would attack.
Alone, no stress with weird dudes
Simon’s chuckle at the winning caption and his remark about being childish is funny because I think most men’s emotion growth stops about the 8th grade in school.
That Donut hack is not a hack … it’s a Snack.
I have much sympathy for Hank being out of proportion. After Si's vid on the new Canyon gravel bike last week I put my details in to their size calculator and broke it. They don't make a bike that fits someone who is 5'11"/180cm tall but with 29"/73cm legs apparently.
Just as well I can't afford a Grail anyway! 🤣
I’m 5’11 with an inseam of 28”. Short legs for the win. If I had normal length legs I would’ve been 6’4 probably lol
@@alaefarmestatesllc thanks, I feel better now knowing I'm not alone :D
LOL Mr 173cm with 75cm inseam feels much less of a freak now
The "one-upper". This is the guy who can't stand being outdone. He is the guy who has has always ridden further or faster or done more climbing than anyone he talks to. Rode a century last weekend? He did a double century? (and why isn't it on Strava? because his computer battery died) Ridden a 5 day stage race? He's done the Tour de France. Got a new, upgraded bike? He's had that one but it got stolen. If he gets dropped will come up with some lame excuse like "my coach wants me doing a recovery ride today". He's the absolute WORST?
Eats wispa gold washed down with 8-up.
Amazing❤❤❤
No mention on the new WR for the women's hour.
Dan Sprocket. Great detective name.
Would love more CX content 💪
There's more coming out on the channel this week so keep your eyes peeled! We've also got loads of great racing on GCN+ to watch! 👀🙌
Good luck Alex and Chloe!
Been on both ends of that spear, one i needed picked up by my wife, group ride with a few gearheads while on my track bike. Painfull indeed😊
Father Brown is a cycling detective.