Brian Hales is 100% wrong! Joseph Smith never approved anyone to practice polygamy. He also never practiced it himself. That is proven fact and Brian is uneducated. Historians in the church have wrong information and leaders are not correcting it!
Im a convert to LDS, based initially entirely on evidence. Eventually scriptural , spiritual and testimonial witnesses came. That said, Every molecule in my body, every ounce of spiritual intuition & all of my experience lead me to agree with you 100%.
Brian Hales is 100% wrong! Joseph Smith never approved anyone to practice polygamy. He also never practiced it himself. That is proven fact and Brian is uneducated. Historians in the church have wrong information and leaders are not correcting it!
Thank you for the many points you shared to show the inappropriateness of this scripture story. My prayer is that each of us will have a conversation with our local leaders.
Brian Hales is 100% wrong! Joseph Smith never approved anyone to practice polygamy. He also never practiced it himself. That is proven fact and Brian is uneducated. Historians in the church have wrong information and leaders are not correcting it!
Funny how they couldn’t be bothered to add in the countless stories of all the wives that have such wonderful testimonies about being a polygamist wife. (Hint: there aren’t any).
Brian Hales is 100% wrong! Joseph Smith never approved anyone to practice polygamy. He also never practiced it himself. That is proven fact and Brian is uneducated. Historians in the church have wrong information and leaders are not correcting it!
It is an incredibly destructive pathway to teach this doctrine..even in a soft sell way..to children. It truly plants seeds of that are physiologically and emotionally damaging to the way a child views themselves, their God and healthy relationships. Thank for spending the time to talk about this Michelle! I feel the tender heart of a mother and of all parents and grandparents in your words!
Grooming was the FIRST thought that came to my mind when I learned about this. I’m upset. I was already stressing out about my teen being exposed to this doctrine in seminary next year. Now I have to worry about my little ones!
Michelle, I want you to know that your style and your passion are perfect for your podcasts! You need never apologize or try to change for anyone. You cannot please everyone, but I know our Heavenly Father is pleased with you and this most important work you are doing. I'm sure it's hard not to take other's criticism personally, but don't! I love that you are your authentic self when you present your research and your wisdom. You are a truly beautiful soul sharing beautiful TRUTHS. ❤ Thank you for being a voice!
Brian Hales is 100% wrong! Joseph Smith never approved anyone to practice polygamy. He also never practiced it himself. That is proven fact and Brian is uneducated. Historians in the church have wrong information and leaders are not correcting it!
Great video, Michelle. I just released a video about this that focused exclusively on the problems with the content, so I really appreciate your analysis of the potential effects on children and families.
I'll look forward to watching! I just finished my part 2 on the content, but it is taking forever to download/upload. I'm glad I can watch yours in the meantime!
Brian Hales is 100% wrong! Joseph Smith never approved anyone to practice polygamy. He also never practiced it himself. That is proven fact and Brian is uneducated. Historians in the church have wrong information and leaders are not correcting it!
Michelle, I really appreciated this video. I'm only 20 minutes in, and agree with the many real concerns you've outlined. I was shocked when the news of this release broke. It was truly sickening. Adults are generally well equipped to handle problematic situations, but we can't allow subtle or overt attempted indoctrination of our precious little ones, regardless of when it comes from the Church or not. I think it is far more disturbing when it comes from the Church.
Brian Hales is 100% wrong! Joseph Smith never approved anyone to practice polygamy. He also never practiced it himself. That is proven fact and Brian is uneducated. Historians in the church have wrong information and leaders are not correcting it!
Brian Hales is 100% wrong! Joseph Smith never approved anyone to practice polygamy. He also never practiced it himself. That is proven fact and Brian is uneducated. Historians in the church have wrong information and leaders are not correcting it!
It's like they are TRYING to destroy the church... Also, Michelle, your voice is needed! You're emotions and passion are also needed. It's unfortunate that there are those who attack you because of your natural female attributes that are good, pure, and worthy.
Yes, it bothers me when people try to dismiss her because of her emotions. What a ridiculous and un-Christlike argument. I get emotional over important things
I agree with you.. there is an element with in the leadership of the church that are enabling this practice .. it can only come from within the church organisation itself… instead of repenting of their past crimes they continue in their sins… I am heartbroken..
Brian Hales is 100% wrong! Joseph Smith never approved anyone to practice polygamy. He also never practiced it himself. That is proven fact and Brian is uneducated. Historians in the church have wrong information and leaders are not correcting it!
Oh my gosh! No, no, no!!! Now we’re going to see mothers refusing to take their children to primary or leaving the church altogether. We mothers are protective and fierce about our children, both physically and spiritually, but never EVER have any of us had to worry about their spiritual safety at church. This is so horrifying to me! 😭
Brian Hales is 100% wrong! Joseph Smith never approved anyone to practice polygamy. He also never practiced it himself. That is proven fact and Brian is uneducated. Historians in the church have wrong information and leaders are not correcting it!
Polygamy and the non scriptural application of tithing is why the church is under condemnation, we’re all accountable even our leaders if we don’t address these troubling matters
Brian Hales is 100% wrong! Joseph Smith never approved anyone to practice polygamy. He also never practiced it himself. That is proven fact and Brian is uneducated. Historians in the church have wrong information and leaders are not correcting it! Tithing is scriptural and you are mistaken on that not being scriptural!
Brian Hales is 100% wrong! Joseph Smith never approved anyone to practice polygamy. He also never practiced it himself. That is proven fact and Brian is uneducated. Historians in the church have wrong information and leaders are not correcting it!
Brian Hales is 100% wrong! Joseph Smith never approved anyone to practice polygamy. He also never practiced it himself. That is proven fact and Brian is uneducated. Historians in the church have wrong information and leaders are not correcting it!
This is not your fault. You have the right to express your historical point of views! If it is in response to those who take your point of view it looks like manipulation to quiet individuals.
Brian Hales is 100% wrong! Joseph Smith never approved anyone to practice polygamy. He also never practiced it himself. That is proven fact and Brian is uneducated. Historians in the church have wrong information and leaders are not correcting it!
I've been asking the Lord how he wants me to share this awkward stuff about polygamy that no one wants to talk about. Well... Now that the church is putting it right in our faces, even the faces of our little sunbeams, we have something to counter. I think I'm mad and excited all at once!
Jacob 2-3 calls talking about ‘many wives and concubines’ in front of women and children. It causes pain. Jacob 2;9 ‘….and those who have not been wounded, instead of feasting upon the pleasing word of God have daggers placed to pierce their souls and wound their delicate minds.’ The Lord fiercely condemns “many wives and concubines’ in Jacob 2-3
Brian Hales is 100% wrong! Joseph Smith never approved anyone to practice polygamy. He also never practiced it himself. That is proven fact and Brian is uneducated. Historians in the church have wrong information and leaders are not correcting it!
I’ve got 5 sharp, inquisitive kids. Most of them are shortly past 8 yrs old, a few are younger. I have yet to discuss this topic in any detail with them- I’m waiting for their questions- but when we were reading about King Noah they asked what concubines are.. I told them. Their instinct response was disgust. They absolutely know it’s wrong. I’m guessing many adults/parents in the church are likely to justify the inappropriateness of this content in because they’re desensitized to it. They already knew about it and have had it on their shelf for a long time.. but most kids in the church don’t hear about this until seminary.. this is a huge and jarring change. And converts too, not just kids, will be affected similarly to children, I imagine.
Brian Hales is 100% wrong! Joseph Smith never approved anyone to practice polygamy. He also never practiced it himself. That is proven fact and Brian is uneducated. Historians in the church have wrong information and leaders are not correcting it!
The church is tripling down on a practice, polygamy that has long been excused as a temporary fix to early church social ills. Over and over told that we don’t do that anymore. It has become incredibly clear that polygamy was never sincerely abandoned by the church leaders who have covered it up and hidden it as long as it was possible. The only path free of this horrible practice is to believe Joseph was not involved. If he was, there is no hope for the church to be a helpful conduit to worship. The truth is that the church leadership does not see itself as a “helpful conduit” but rather as the sole arbiter of all metrics of God pleasing conduct and the gatekeeper to eternal reward.
Michelle, this is not your fault. There’s a lot of podcasters out there (ex Mormons and Mormons alike) discussing polygamy on their platforms. Don’t take this upon yourself or feel at fault. You did a fabulous job in this episode and handled this really well. You have no malice in your heart and are simply asking the priesthood leaders to listen to the mothers. When it comes to doctrine, we are beholden to the men and priesthood leaders and are required to rely on them for correct doctrine and to not lead our families in the wrong direction. We don’t really have much of a voice, even though we are the vessels that carried our children and brought them into this world. We risked our lives and sacrificed our bodies. We have earned our right to mother’s intuition!
Brian Hales is 100% wrong! Joseph Smith never approved anyone to practice polygamy. He also never practiced it himself. That is proven fact and Brian is uneducated. Historians in the church have wrong information and leaders are not correcting it!
As a ex-mormon... I finally feel I can agree with my Moms still in... I watched this video about polygamy and it made my skin crawl... and it screamed grooming... I am no longer a member because I was groomed 'spiritually' to do things I would not have chosen for myself naturally... I normally do not watch Michelle's content... but this came up on my recommended feed... and I am absolutely in agreement with her analysis of this topic... kudos Michelle you got a ex- mormon to watch your whole video!
I think the voices of the mothers are the ONLY pertinent voices. P.H. leadership has shown alarming insensitivity and ignorance when it comes to these and other issues. Unfortunately, that's the rabbit hole that this kind of blind stupidity takes us down. Just part of waking up to our "awful situation" I guess.
I was already so nervous about studying D&C this year myself and about what my kids would be taught.... this is so upsetting to me. Part of me wants to give up but then Joseph and Emma didn't give up. They lost everything and continued. I will continue to stand with them and fight. Thank you so much for making a way to do it Michele. 💗 I'm grateful you keep fighting too, there are many of us praying for you.
As a life long member and growing up as a child in the 1970’s I was taught about polygamy in primary. I was taught that we may have to live it someday and that Emma was an evil apostate. It caused me so much anxiety my whole life as a member I left because of their lies 8 years ago Its always been out in the open causing harm
It’s heartbreaking to hear Michelle think there’s a possibility some of this is from her podcast. If this is how the church is going about it, going to the children! That’s heartbreaking. I recently came back to the church after stepping away 10+ years. After hearing Michelle’s take and verifying it myself. I love the foundation of the church now. It is hard that my husband is atheist. We already walk an abnormal line “not having the priesthood” in our home. More things to have to explain to my children is different and God loves us and our family not matter our circumstance. I’m trying to get my kids to like the church despite the challenges and the last thing we need for partially “in the church” families is stuff like this. Michelle, thank you for doing the hard things. Telling the truth is hard when the majority is against you and has a many have a lot of authority. I stand with you as a mother and a member of the church. We need truth. And if we don’t get truth, let’s at least not add complex topics for the children to study!
I am a mother of a 4 year old daughter. This is beyond appalling and completely against what the Savior teaches in Jacob 2:23-24: I consider the LDS church the Great and Abominable. Unacceptable: pure Evil: the leaders have approved this; I don’t sustain them as Prophets: Prophets speak against evil, not go along with society. No justification for this whatsoever.
The only explanation I can think of is the brethren are grooming the children to practice it in the near future. Troubling indeed because Joseph Smith never practiced or taught the spiritual wivery/polygamy in mho.
The church as Christ implemented it is true! Leaders make mistakes. Brian Hales is 100% wrong! Joseph Smith never approved anyone to practice polygamy. He also never practiced it himself. That is proven fact and Brian is uneducated. Historians in the church have wrong information and leaders are not correcting it!
My whole life I have been told that polygamy will be practiced in the church again in the last days. That somehow it will no longer be against the law. Makes me sick because I've found for myself that polyandry/polygamy is an abomination.
Being an elderly convert from another country, I don't have a lot in common with Michelle, but I know truthfulness when I hear it. I left the church 10 years ago. Michelle, I embrace you for your spirited defence of the legacy of Joseph, and what the children are being taught. You deserve respect. Love and admiration from South Africa. 🇿🇦💜
I want an explaination from the ones in charge of letting this out in the church. I will not allow my children to be taught something in such a harmful way... in a cartoon. What is the reasoning? Erikson's stages of development is also a good source.
The section doesn't surprise me. Sounds like a watered down version of what is in "Saints". I am troubled that the original section 101 was not even mentioned. 27:15 perfect opportunity for practicing the filter of the Holy Ghost- which always needs to be on.
Brian Hales is 100% wrong! Joseph Smith never approved anyone to practice polygamy. He also never practiced it himself. That is proven fact and Brian is uneducated. Historians in the church have wrong information and leaders are not correcting it!
"Saints" is actually used as a reference under the pictures in the reader. Most of the time it's a scripture that is referenced in the past readers. I guess Saints is akin to scripture now!
This is craziness. It does appear that selfish adult interest is being put ahead of the welfare of our children, but probably unknowingly. Thank you for putting this out to spread more attention. I did send a letter and I'll put my letter in your 2nd video comments...which I am going to watch also!
I don’t know how to navigate this. I’m just trying to get back to church and how am I supposed to protect my children? Church is suppose to be safe. I might have to teach them at home if this continues. When will the church finally get rid of this nonsense? Is this coming from the top? Who approved this?
I read the chapter and it’s just presented so concise and neat, tied up with a little bow.. I can see most of the faithful membership just taking it, believing that’s how it is. It’s got the church logo on it. Best case scenario for the church doing this is ignorance. Worst case is grooming for re-introducing the “doctrine”. I don’t think it’s either of those… it’s probably a complicated in-between.
Brian Hales is 100% wrong! Joseph Smith never approved anyone to practice polygamy. He also never practiced it himself. That is proven fact and Brian is uneducated. Historians in the church have wrong information and leaders are not correcting it!
I fully understand how this is shocking. We’ve had violence and war, arms and heads chopped off etc in children’s readers since I was a girl (50) years old now. So, age appropriateness seems to never have been considered much in the church.
And children’s fairy tales have people cutting off their heels and toes in order to fit into the glass slipper. Yet, happily ever after is understood to be the hero marrying the princess. Polygamy is abominable and damning. The highest emulation of godhood is marriage. God is monogamous.
The bigger issue is that polygamy, a whoredom is being taught as a high and holy principle. And yes I agree, we need to be sensitive of the various difficult things that come up
Brian Hales is 100% wrong! Joseph Smith never approved anyone to practice polygamy. He also never practiced it himself. That is proven fact and Brian is uneducated. Historians in the church have wrong information and leaders are not correcting it!
Okay, then. I want to help gather Israel and fulfill D&C 4. But this is a great stumbling block, a bed of quicksand, a rotting carcass of a dead raccoon trapped in our chimney.
Polygamy is not milk or meat. It is whoredom per God in Jacob 2-3. Meat is Jesus Christ. Milk is learning to love others and not be contentious. You might Revisit that scripture in full context.
@@BridgeBuilder-x4c Can't be sure you're comment is gone from sight but I can guess that Jacob 2 tells the Nephites to have only one wife unless He says otherwise. Not what you said. LOL
So let me get this straight-kids will be taught that at any point, God might command their daddy to marry another woman [how kids will process this], but when the same child goes into young women’s and young men’s, they will be taught that whoever looketh upon a woman to lust after her is committing adultery in his heart? Also, that in the temple they will covenant to have sexual relations with only one person, their spouse? Um….what is going on?
Wow as a ex mormon I absolutely agree with you on this topic! And your 90 yr old mother also agrees... It gives me hope that woman in the church, or out of the church can unite against grooming children!!!! You did a beautiful job discussing this topic, as a mother i congratulate you for your honesty, wisdom, and passion... because good momma's understand this truth and topic! Your Mother sounds wonderful, and Wise.
I was a member of the Mormon church for 67 years and the started to do my own research of church history and found so many wrong teachings and had my name removed from church records and feel at peace !!! Yes I still believe in Father God and the Savior Jesus Christ and The Holy Bible and it’s the only Scriptures that are TRUE !!! 🙏🏻💜
No, The Book of Mormon is also true! Brian Hales is 100% wrong! Joseph Smith never approved anyone to practice polygamy. He also never practiced it himself. That is proven fact and Brian is uneducated. Historians in the church have wrong information and leaders are not correcting it!
I agree that this newly released material is not age appropriate for children. I didn’t know about polygamy until I was a teenager. What GOOD reason is there for it to be given to younger children? Children’s innocence needs to be protected and prioritized, focusing on basic gospel principles.
Brian Hales is 100% wrong! Joseph Smith never approved anyone to practice polygamy. He also never practiced it himself. That is proven fact and Brian is uneducated. Historians in the church have wrong information and leaders are not correcting it!
Michelle thank you with all my heart for sharing this episode. This is so extremely disturbing! I read the story in the the children's book and was sickened. The way it was written and how it was explained including the animated pictures is absolutely wrong! Every part of my being tells me this is wrong! BTW there are many other stories that were disturbing besides this one. Who do we need to contact to share that we don't agree with this and want it removed.
Brian Hales is 100% wrong! Joseph Smith never approved anyone to practice polygamy. He also never practiced it himself. That is proven fact and Brian is uneducated. Historians in the church have wrong information and leaders are not correcting it!
It’s easier to bring polygamy back if you teach the little ones from the beginning that God does this sometimes. As Antoine Dodson would say… “Hide yo kids, hide yo wife…”
Yes, that is also a huge concern. I had planned to do an episode on the come follow me manual for next year. I will still do that. This one just felt more urgent.
@@MichelleBStone there are many deep reasons why this is troubling. Personal I feel its to prepare the younger members to get ready to live it. I have said it for the last 8 years My daughter is still a member and even though I have taught her everything about this subject- her time in seminary and church has influenced her enough to believe that regardless of this falsehood- the church is true. So, the power of the church’s programs and their “feel goods” with constant indoctrination absolutely overrides her common sense. I showed it to her on the app and she just stared at it in disbelief. I know it’s disturbing to her. I wonder what she will do when this comes up next year
54:57 I don’t think they want any of us to have autonomy when it comes to the church and religious teachings and beliefs. PS! I love love loved safety kids but I never would have thought of applying any of that message to church folks. It’s unfortunate but very very true.
26:27 isn’t it crazy how we were able to receive a witness from the Holy Ghost that polygamy was of God, only to later find evidence that put that “truth” in question. That causes a much bigger issues which is doubting or trusting the truthfulness of the “Holy Ghost”.
I was a 30 year Catholic. Never ever did polygamy enter the conversation in all those years. Yet I married into an LDS family and it’s all I hear about - both pro and con. So odd to me.
Brian Hales is 100% wrong! Joseph Smith never approved anyone to practice polygamy. He also never practiced it himself. That is proven fact and Brian is uneducated. Historians in the church have wrong information and leaders are not correcting it!
I wouldn’t mind it if they mention that it was not a good practice for Women and children then publicly disavowed it. But that would mean saying the prophet was wrong . polygamy has abuse of Women and children and finances, physically, and mentally women in polygamy, have worse or mental health than women that or not.
This is very hurtful. My grandmother died this August and she had so much anxiety about polygamy and whether her sweetheart who died thirty years before had already found new and younger wives. 💔
I wouldn’t mind it if they mention that it was not a good practice for Women and children then publicly disavowed it. But that would mean saying the prophet was wrong .
These are not for the kids. They are for the lazy learner parents that will be reading them to their children in order to help with them inoculate the parents.
Interesting thought. Although, Do you think parents like that would read these to their children? I don't think of lazy learners reading scripture stories with their children. It seems to me that very active and engaged parents are the ones who do that.
I bet you see most teachers of all ages avoid this topic next year. You will probably have a few who want to focus on it and drive the nail home, but thanks to you and others like you who have exposed this issue many are awake and can have the tools to stand up against the false traditions and doctrine.
I too are outraged that this is being taught to the children or at any age. Even adults!! I will speak my opinion when this lesson come up for the adults.
It IS complex and confusing. And I see your point. One thing I see that could be good about the wording of it is that it keeps it simple, and tells a story. When someone IS mature enough, perhaps they will look at that story and see what God wants them to see in the story, the topics the situation, etc...
The scripture and gospel teachings for our children should be truthful and complete we’ve done generations of Saint of the service by giving them a water down version of history. It’s time to end that.
Bottom line; what do they see the character of God is? Do they believe him to be an iniquitous and adulterous god? If so then go ahead, continue this narrative that JS introduced plural marriage. But the God I get up and worship on a daily basis is a loving God, one who holds the chastity of His daughters and sons dear and would never (as constantly shown in the Bible and the BofM and even laid out in the JS papers) want them to experience this level of disgust. If this is the character of the god they worship, I want nothing to do with it and will make sure my children and grandchildren know and understand the truth behind it all. Thank you Michelle for all you have done in adding to my own testimony of not only how JS was a true prophet called by God, but that my eyes have come to recognize who and what the BofM was meant for. I guarantee, there is much self deflection when people say to you that you are driving people away from the church, but in reality the brethren should be more worried about the TRUTH and not the heresay of what their so called scholars are telling them. The Lord is much pleased with your efforts and sacrifice in bringing to light His truths. The spirit has told me this over and over again and I thank you for it from the bottom of my heart. God bless you and I pray others continue to open their hearts and minds to these truths and not throw the baby out with the bath water as that is what continues to happen to so many as the leaders of the church continue with these lies.
Quesn....If you have concerns with what the church put out and believe it's not correct and don't agree with it. How can you sustain the leadership of the church, especially President Nelson, as prophet, seers, and revelators. President Nelson and the first presidency had to approve of it.
@@keith5459 because prophets sometimes make mistakes. For example, Joseph Smith lost the 116 pages. Also, his bank failed. Brigham taught blood atonement, which pres. Kimball later denounced as false doctrine, along with other things he taught. I sustain the prophet, while still understanding that sometimes they have to adjust policies, temple ceremonies, and course correct from time to time, in general.
I think the church needs to ask itself. ..what IS an abomination? And what then IS making a mockery of God? If an abomination is an eternal, moral repugnancy from God...why would something that's found to be soooo detestable and god-hated be so easy to implement later? What other things are in the category of 'abomination'? Idol worship?! Are there, have there been, and will there be idol worship again if God thinks it's necessary?! Is the Liahona not an example of this -- because the direction from the Holy Ghost could not work upon Nephi -- as we currently teach our youth that it should when we live righteously -- so a substitute proxy object was provided to Nephi in place of the Holy Ghost to be an idol where upon if he lived righteously and obediently it would bless his family with direction they sought?!
How dare a woman tell the Brethren how to minister to the children of the church. They are just as inspired by the spirit as the same prophet Joseph Smith when he received revelation about plural marriage. I remember when I was about 10 years old and was approached by a stranger on a Sunday afternoon as I was waiting for my mom to come out of bishop’s interview. The man was walking past the church building minding his own business when all of the sudden he asked me: “are you the Mormons? Is it true that you guys can have up to seven wives?” I was very surprised by the question because I had never heard anything about polygamy at that point in my life and looking back, I wish I had been better equipped to give a correct answer to that man; who knows? Maybe the young missionary in me would have converted that man and his whole family to the restored gospel had I known the answer to that question instead of receiving it with skepticism and disbelief. I trust our leaders of the church receive revelation from Christ himself and the material provided for us to learn from is inspired by God and it does undergo a long review and approval process. If the sister in this video believes that “churches should not be in the business of indoctrinating children into belief ideas that their parents find abhorrent” (44:44) then she has a problem accepting truths of the restored gospel and is an active act of apostasy against the true church of the Son of God on earth. Not only that, the woman in this video is exhorting parents to withhold their children from church attendance when such important truths of the gospel and church history are taught with the excuse of “protecting the children”. (1:11:36)
@@kadyladybug I know! I totally thought he was being sarcastic, and using that comment to point out the absurdity. Bizarre and troubling that he was sincere. Wowzers
Your concern here (above and beyond your dispute on historical issues) with regard to appropriateness parallels very closely that of Sam Young, who was excommunicated for so admirably advocating a reform of Bishops' interviews with children to better guarantee appropriateness, safety, privacy, and parental oversight and consent. You, like Young, are addressing serious issues, but I am afraid that the church leadership will respond similarly to you. While you have elsewhere identified yourself as a conservative or (small "l") libertarian person, it is also clear that you have long had profound differences with the institutional LDS church i.a. regarding womens' issues, gender and sexuality, in addition to your ongoing historical claims, which suggest a broad conspiracy of the post-Joseph Smith church and contradict all church leaders from Young to Nelson. Although I am not intellectually convinced by your historical research into Smith and polygamy and the purported conspiracy to rewrite polygamy into Joseph Smith's church, and I am profoundly opposed to any censorship (schools or churched are not intellectually "safe spaces": how can the ten commandments or the US Constitution be taught without touching on the most dangerous topics: murder, fidelity, theft, covetousness, slavery, etc.?), I do happen to agree with many of your positions on church authority, the role of women, and gender and sexual identity. I find, however, that you too often fail to separate -- indeed confuse -- your factual, historical research with your personal, spiritual, and emotional arguments. This confusion, although certainly a vivid expression of your own personality, is sadly, unlikely to be appreciated, let alone accepted, by the rigidly conservative male leadership of the church, which never admits errors and culturally cannot respond to, indeed scarcely can even listen to, women. They seem instead to follow the St Paul,who insisted that women not speak in church. (Even though there is good evidence that those words against women were inserted later... But that would be getting into the kind of critical scholarship rejected by the church! (May I also note your constant use of terms like "boundaries", "safe spaces", "triggering", etc. that come from the supposedly radical left world of political correctness.)) I fear for your communion with the institutional church, but I also wonder how a strong woman with your values and ideals, would chose to remain in such a church?
Michelle, I am sorry this upsets you but I do think it is a good thing. This is a great opportunity for you to rethink the Brigham problem. This is the modern day leadership addressing the same issues Brigham had to address in 1844-1870. Simply how to blend the truth into a real religion. It is just like David in the Bible, given all he strayed into the seven deadly sins.
Michelle, I really enjoy the work you do and I have one suggestion that might be helpful. You don’t need to apologize or explain what you’re doing and what you’re covering. I’ve been listening for eight minutes and I still have yet to hear what it is that you’re responding to and I don’t understand your hesitancy other than that you’re not certain what you’re saying is true.
Was it that the church is teaching plural marriage? D&C 132 is specifically and solely about polygamy though right? I mean the provenance of the letter to Emma says it was to convince her of plural marriage not monogamy. Why would he have threatened her to be married monogamously?
Rebellious people are never content with anything. First they as for more sources and to teach all there’s it to be taught about the gospel and church history and now we are doing so and there are still unsatisfied. Anyone that disagrees with the prophets, the scriptures and what has been revealed is an open apostasy
The entire reformation that allowed the restoration to proceed was first recognizing discrepancies between current leaders (i.e. those holding the keys of Peter) and the scriptures and calling attention to it. They risked death. Not all prophets/popes talk to God. False prophets give false prophecies. Telling the difference between false prophets and sent ones requires you to consider the fruit.
Michelle is in alignment with the Lord in scripture on polygamy. The question is, why are some prophets not? Is it about wanting to throw fig leaves on Brigham Young?
@ how she is in alignment with the lord ? She is not even the mouth piece of the lord, she completely disregards and disbelief scripture she had said time and time again she doesn’t believe in all the Book of Mormon and doctrine and covenants not she believe in the prophetic mantel of the prophet Russel M Nelson. How all this would qualify her to be in alignment with the lord ??? Jacob clearly says if God commands polygamy polygamy would be live how she can’t believe that ??
It is messy and should cause negative emotion that we have a doctrine of concubines in the church and are teaching young children something that will and should for someone with a conscience be troubling
I’m having a real hard time trying to understand your issue! My great grandfather had 6 wives. His history is captured in a book of over 1000 pages. Full of personal history and writings from him and his family. My grandmother spoke so positively of her father and mother and her “aunties” and her childhood. And yes, follow scripture, God did institute polygamy for some people at different times. This is a part of church history and Bible history. Why would we not teach this to our children? To me this is a non issue. I’m much more concerned with the church changing the doctrine within the temple. Specifically the first covenant. Where women covenanted to obey the law of Christ and the men covenanted to obey the law of Elohim. But somehow we all now make the same covenant that is ambiguous. This is a much greater concern than a lesson that teaches factual history.
@truthandwisdombydeano9695 1. Biblical Evidence Against Polygamy as God’s Command God’s Ideal: Monogamy Genesis 2: 24: "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh." This verse sets the precedent for marriage as a union between one man and one woman. The phrase “one flesh” suggests unity and exclusivity. Deuteronomy 17: 17: In the law of Moses, God warned kings against polygamy, saying, “Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away.” This directive highlights the dangers of multiple marriages leading to spiritual and emotional distraction. Matthew 19:4-5: Jesus Christ reaffirmed the creation account, saying, “Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female… and they twain shall be one flesh?” Christ’s teaching reiterates monogamy as the divine standard.
I think Michelle should every day be thankful for the practice of polygamy in the LDS church in the 19th century. Without it, what would Michelle really spend her time on? Surely she has little interest on other more important subjects like the gospel of Jesus Christ, Book of Mormon, or anything else. When one gets so focused on one subject, regardless of what it is, they can't see the forest for the trees. I have no problem with the practice of polygamy in the LDS church in the 19th century. I have no problem with Joseph Smith being a polygamist but its not a top 50 subject for me. There are so many more relevant and important topics to talk about today but that is my opinion. For Michelle, it is THE topic and she should be thankful for polygamy as a result.
@@rhyde0731Yes. Especially for women and girls who have been taught that we will all likely live polygamy in the next life. The system and how it was taught in the early church is both sexually and spiritually abusive at its core.
@ I find it very hypocritical of your part that says that how we don’t think of the children and we should leave the children alone from this “ deep doctrines “ or troublesome to some, yet you have your own children appeared in your shows supporting your apostates views. Can you see that? I guess you don’t see that because you feel that your impressions and revelations are greater that of the prophet Russel m Nelson you said to before to me and I take it you still hold that view. You are a danger to many who are seeking light and truth you are presenting your doubts and lack of faith as truths you don’t have a neutral view on anything. You need to repent and come to term that your revelations and inspiration are not from God if they defy the Mateo of the prophet and the teaching that came as revelations
I think I know why plural marriage in the church is being taught. Because it was a reality and of God for a time. They are being taught that because people like this are lying about it and blatantly discrediting the chain of custody regarding church leaders. Brigham Young and others were stalwart prophets and leaders of the church. Maybe, just maybe we can thank Michelle and others who are trying to rewrite priesthood authority for the opposition in teaching our children the truth. :>)
Brigham's plural wife Ann Cobb was married to another man when he married her. She also had 7 children already. When her first and current husband found out he tried to divorce her for fornication with another man (Brigham Young). It took three years to go through the court, but he finally did divorce her. Therefore, Brigham committed adultery. He did this with other women as well. And he married many of them on the same day as well as several per month for a time. This was an adulterous situation and we need to understand that. The Lord is pure. He loves his daughters. He protects them. And he has corrected this practice that occured in the church which was not helpful but harmful.
@@leslieboyce2455 Yes, although I've had all this worked out years ago or I would NEVER even thought of becoming part of a church who has had disobeyed God. There has been nothing offered in any of these videos other than wayward opinion and apostate views. By throwing out the credibility of past prophets and leaders, redefining scripture at their expense and resting other holy writ all together, is very ignorant and wrong. If plural marriage was never ever advised or allowed by the Lord when He saw fit AT ALL.... He would have made it very clear to Abraham to date. That has never been done and there is zero Holy Ghost support for what these deniers are peddling.
RIP to innocence RIP to honesty Brighams false teachings live on, if only in the hearts of some leaders... And apparently forcing it on children now 😢 😢 ❤️🩹💔
Michelle, This is a mess. Regarding plural marriage, you better be teaching your children that monogamy is desired of the Lord unless and/or until He says otherwise. Otherwise... you are teaching against the scriptures AND the church. You keep saying it's contradictory to the scriptures when it is not. What do you tell your children regarding thou shalt not kill yet the Lord has had many killed many times??
@@freelinemike Yet Nephi was told to go cut Laban's head off. Moses was told to kill an entire people except the clean women. What are you calling murder?
@@godsoffspring4195 Glad we cleared up that there’s a difference. Michelle may be teaching against the current official narrative, but she is defending Joseph, Emma, and even God. That’s way more important than towing the church line.
@@freelinemike You never answered the question(s) and I'm pretty sure God doesn't need the help of those who will not understand their scriptures nor have the Holy Ghost supporting them. Thanks for clearing up she is teaching against the 'narrative'. Time to start a new church me thinks. Trying to kick against the pricks is going drive her over the edge. Joseph doesn't need her either. Everybody know Smith did not practice physical polygamy. Nothing to defend. What's really going on here and the next step is to deny openly there's no plural unions in celestial eternity. She basically has said that even in this upload but really no clue at all. I'd advise she and anybody who can't handle the facts just bow out. Getting the boot hurts more.
@ I find it very hypocritical of your part that says that how we don’t think of the children and we should leave the children alone from this “ deep doctrines “ or troublesome to some, yet you have your own children appeared in your shows supporting your apostates views. Can you see that? I guess you don’t see that because you feel that your impressions and revelations are greater that of the prophet Russel m Nelson you said to before to me and I take it you still hold that view. You are a danger to many who are seeking light and truth you are presenting your doubts and lack of faith as truths you don’t have a neutral view on anything. You need to repent and come to term that your revelations and inspiration are not from God if they defy the Mateo of the prophet and the teaching that came as revelations
How anyone thought this was appropriate is beyond me!! My gosh.
Agree and I am not even an active member. It makes me sick to my stomach.
Brian Hales is 100% wrong! Joseph Smith never approved anyone to practice polygamy. He also never practiced it himself. That is proven fact and Brian is uneducated. Historians in the church have wrong information and leaders are not correcting it!
Im a convert to LDS, based initially entirely on evidence. Eventually scriptural , spiritual and testimonial witnesses came. That said, Every molecule in my body, every ounce of spiritual intuition & all of my experience lead me to agree with you 100%.
Brian Hales is 100% wrong! Joseph Smith never approved anyone to practice polygamy. He also never practiced it himself. That is proven fact and Brian is uneducated. Historians in the church have wrong information and leaders are not correcting it!
Thank you for the many points you shared to show the inappropriateness of this scripture story. My prayer is that each of us will have a conversation with our local leaders.
Brian Hales is 100% wrong! Joseph Smith never approved anyone to practice polygamy. He also never practiced it himself. That is proven fact and Brian is uneducated. Historians in the church have wrong information and leaders are not correcting it!
Funny how they couldn’t be bothered to add in the countless stories of all the wives that have such wonderful testimonies about being a polygamist wife. (Hint: there aren’t any).
Brian Hales is 100% wrong! Joseph Smith never approved anyone to practice polygamy. He also never practiced it himself. That is proven fact and Brian is uneducated. Historians in the church have wrong information and leaders are not correcting it!
It is an incredibly destructive pathway to teach this doctrine..even in a soft sell way..to children. It truly plants seeds of that are physiologically and emotionally damaging to the way a child views themselves, their God and healthy relationships. Thank for spending the time to talk about this Michelle! I feel the tender heart of a mother and of all parents and grandparents in your words!
Grooming was the FIRST thought that came to my mind when I learned about this. I’m upset. I was already stressing out about my teen being exposed to this doctrine in seminary next year. Now I have to worry about my little ones!
Michelle, I want you to know that your style and your passion are perfect for your podcasts! You need never apologize or try to change for anyone. You cannot please everyone, but I know our Heavenly Father is pleased with you and this most important work you are doing. I'm sure it's hard not to take other's criticism personally, but don't! I love that you are your authentic self when you present your research and your wisdom. You are a truly beautiful soul sharing beautiful TRUTHS. ❤ Thank you for being a voice!
Thank you ❤❤
Brian Hales is 100% wrong! Joseph Smith never approved anyone to practice polygamy. He also never practiced it himself. That is proven fact and Brian is uneducated. Historians in the church have wrong information and leaders are not correcting it!
Great video, Michelle. I just released a video about this that focused exclusively on the problems with the content, so I really appreciate your analysis of the potential effects on children and families.
I'll look forward to watching! I just finished my part 2 on the content, but it is taking forever to download/upload. I'm glad I can watch yours in the meantime!
I watch yours then came over here. This is sick and evil.
Brian Hales is 100% wrong! Joseph Smith never approved anyone to practice polygamy. He also never practiced it himself. That is proven fact and Brian is uneducated. Historians in the church have wrong information and leaders are not correcting it!
Michelle, I really appreciated this video. I'm only 20 minutes in, and agree with the many real concerns you've outlined. I was shocked when the news of this release broke. It was truly sickening. Adults are generally well equipped to handle problematic situations, but we can't allow subtle or overt attempted indoctrination of our precious little ones, regardless of when it comes from the Church or not. I think it is far more disturbing when it comes from the Church.
Brian Hales is 100% wrong! Joseph Smith never approved anyone to practice polygamy. He also never practiced it himself. That is proven fact and Brian is uneducated. Historians in the church have wrong information and leaders are not correcting it!
What spiritual frequency are the Brethren tuned into? Not mine.
I believe they receive direction from a god. Just not the God of Israel.
@@OmahaAreaLoya Amen.
Brian Hales is 100% wrong! Joseph Smith never approved anyone to practice polygamy. He also never practiced it himself. That is proven fact and Brian is uneducated. Historians in the church have wrong information and leaders are not correcting it!
The church is very large and it is impossible for
The Brethren" to check everything. Who is the scriptwriter for this?
@@michaelt.fernandez6846The brethren can't pray? Check everything? The only job they have is communicating with the Spirit!
It's like they are TRYING to destroy the church...
Also, Michelle, your voice is needed! You're emotions and passion are also needed. It's unfortunate that there are those who attack you because of your natural female attributes that are good, pure, and worthy.
Agreed. I consider her emotional element a feature and not a bug, to put it bluntly.
I also agree. I relate to Michelle BECAUSE she is so passionate and emotionally invested. ❤
Yes, it bothers me when people try to dismiss her because of her emotions. What a ridiculous and un-Christlike argument. I get emotional over important things
I agree with you.. there is an element with in the leadership of the church that are enabling this practice .. it can only come from within the church organisation itself… instead of repenting of their past crimes they continue in their sins… I am heartbroken..
@@BruceWilliams So does God.
This will force children to put a huge issue on their “shelf” at such a young age.
Brian Hales is 100% wrong! Joseph Smith never approved anyone to practice polygamy. He also never practiced it himself. That is proven fact and Brian is uneducated. Historians in the church have wrong information and leaders are not correcting it!
Oh my gosh! No, no, no!!!
Now we’re going to see mothers refusing to take their children to primary or leaving the church altogether. We mothers are protective and fierce about our children, both physically and spiritually, but never EVER have any of us had to worry about their spiritual safety at church. This is so horrifying to me! 😭
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My thoughts exactly!
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Brian Hales is 100% wrong! Joseph Smith never approved anyone to practice polygamy. He also never practiced it himself. That is proven fact and Brian is uneducated. Historians in the church have wrong information and leaders are not correcting it!
Not just mother's! My 8 children at home won't be taught this !
They are children!!!
I am grieved and will withdraw from this .
Polygamy and the non scriptural application of tithing is why the church is under condemnation, we’re all accountable even our leaders if we don’t address these troubling matters
Brian Hales is 100% wrong! Joseph Smith never approved anyone to practice polygamy. He also never practiced it himself. That is proven fact and Brian is uneducated. Historians in the church have wrong information and leaders are not correcting it!
Tithing is scriptural and you are mistaken on that not being scriptural!
I know they want to inoculate young members against being stung by polygamy, but this really is grooming young people that polygamy is okay. Terrible.
Brian Hales is 100% wrong! Joseph Smith never approved anyone to practice polygamy. He also never practiced it himself. That is proven fact and Brian is uneducated. Historians in the church have wrong information and leaders are not correcting it!
1:01:32 That Cooke quote leaves me asking, Did God not have a plan of happiness for our pioneer ancestor’s?
Kudos to you on remaining calm on this issue. I’m sure it took A LOT of intention and effort. ❤💪🙏🏼
Brian Hales is 100% wrong! Joseph Smith never approved anyone to practice polygamy. He also never practiced it himself. That is proven fact and Brian is uneducated. Historians in the church have wrong information and leaders are not correcting it!
This is not your fault. You have the right to express your historical point of views! If it is in response to those who take your point of view it looks like manipulation to quiet individuals.
Brian Hales is 100% wrong! Joseph Smith never approved anyone to practice polygamy. He also never practiced it himself. That is proven fact and Brian is uneducated. Historians in the church have wrong information and leaders are not correcting it!
I've been asking the Lord how he wants me to share this awkward stuff about polygamy that no one wants to talk about. Well... Now that the church is putting it right in our faces, even the faces of our little sunbeams, we have something to counter. I think I'm mad and excited all at once!
Jacob 2-3 calls talking about ‘many wives and concubines’ in front of women and children. It causes pain. Jacob 2;9 ‘….and those who have not been wounded, instead of feasting upon the pleasing word of God have daggers placed to pierce their souls and wound their delicate minds.’ The Lord fiercely condemns “many wives and concubines’ in Jacob 2-3
Brian Hales is 100% wrong! Joseph Smith never approved anyone to practice polygamy. He also never practiced it himself. That is proven fact and Brian is uneducated. Historians in the church have wrong information and leaders are not correcting it!
I’ve got 5 sharp, inquisitive kids. Most of them are shortly past 8 yrs old, a few are younger. I have yet to discuss this topic in any detail with them- I’m waiting for their questions- but when we were reading about King Noah they asked what concubines are.. I told them. Their instinct response was disgust. They absolutely know it’s wrong.
I’m guessing many adults/parents in the church are likely to justify the inappropriateness of this content in because they’re desensitized to it. They already knew about it and have had it on their shelf for a long time.. but most kids in the church don’t hear about this until seminary.. this is a huge and jarring change. And converts too, not just kids, will be affected similarly to children, I imagine.
Brian Hales is 100% wrong! Joseph Smith never approved anyone to practice polygamy. He also never practiced it himself. That is proven fact and Brian is uneducated. Historians in the church have wrong information and leaders are not correcting it!
The church is tripling down on a practice, polygamy that has long been excused as a temporary fix to early church social ills. Over and over told that we don’t do that anymore. It has become incredibly clear that polygamy was never sincerely abandoned by the church leaders who have covered it up and hidden it as long as it was possible. The only path free of this horrible practice is to believe Joseph was not involved. If he was, there is no hope for the church to be a helpful conduit to worship. The truth is that the church leadership does not see itself as a “helpful conduit” but rather as the sole arbiter of all metrics of God pleasing conduct and the gatekeeper to eternal reward.
Michelle, this is not your fault. There’s a lot of podcasters out there (ex Mormons and Mormons alike) discussing polygamy on their platforms. Don’t take this upon yourself or feel at fault. You did a fabulous job in this episode and handled this really well. You have no malice in your heart and are simply asking the priesthood leaders to listen to the mothers. When it comes to doctrine, we are beholden to the men and priesthood leaders and are required to rely on them for correct doctrine and to not lead our families in the wrong direction. We don’t really have much of a voice, even though we are the vessels that carried our children and brought them into this world. We risked our lives and sacrificed our bodies. We have earned our right to mother’s intuition!
Brian Hales is 100% wrong! Joseph Smith never approved anyone to practice polygamy. He also never practiced it himself. That is proven fact and Brian is uneducated. Historians in the church have wrong information and leaders are not correcting it!
As a ex-mormon... I finally feel I can agree with my Moms still in... I watched this video about polygamy and it made my skin crawl... and it screamed grooming... I am no longer a member because I was groomed 'spiritually' to do things I would not have chosen for myself naturally... I normally do not watch Michelle's content... but this came up on my recommended feed... and I am absolutely in agreement with her analysis of this topic... kudos Michelle you got a ex- mormon to watch your whole video!
I think the voices of the mothers are the ONLY pertinent voices. P.H. leadership has shown alarming insensitivity and ignorance when it comes to these and other issues. Unfortunately, that's the rabbit hole that this kind of blind stupidity takes us down. Just part of waking up to our "awful situation" I guess.
I was already so nervous about studying D&C this year myself and about what my kids would be taught.... this is so upsetting to me. Part of me wants to give up but then Joseph and Emma didn't give up. They lost everything and continued. I will continue to stand with them and fight. Thank you so much for making a way to do it Michele. 💗 I'm grateful you keep fighting too, there are many of us praying for you.
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As a life long member and growing up as a child in the 1970’s I was taught about polygamy in primary. I was taught that we may have to live it someday and that Emma was an evil apostate. It caused me so much anxiety my whole life as a member I left because of their lies 8 years ago
Its always been out in the open causing harm
I was taught that Emma was an apostate too as a child in primary. Nothing good was said about her at all.
@@unfeigned4997then “judge me dear reader” came out and now they praise her
It’s heartbreaking to hear Michelle think there’s a possibility some of this is from her podcast. If this is how the church is going about it, going to the children! That’s heartbreaking.
I recently came back to the church after stepping away 10+ years. After hearing Michelle’s take and verifying it myself. I love the foundation of the church now.
It is hard that my husband is atheist. We already walk an abnormal line “not having the priesthood” in our home. More things to have to explain to my children is different and God loves us and our family not matter our circumstance. I’m trying to get my kids to like the church despite the challenges and the last thing we need for partially “in the church” families is stuff like this.
Michelle, thank you for doing the hard things. Telling the truth is hard when the majority is against you and has a many have a lot of authority.
I stand with you as a mother and a member of the church. We need truth. And if we don’t get truth, let’s at least not add complex topics for the children to study!
I am a mother of a 4 year old daughter. This is beyond appalling and completely against what the Savior teaches in Jacob 2:23-24: I consider the LDS church the Great and Abominable. Unacceptable: pure Evil: the leaders have approved this; I don’t sustain them as Prophets: Prophets speak against evil, not go along with society. No justification for this whatsoever.
The only explanation I can think of is the brethren are grooming the children to practice it in the near future. Troubling indeed because Joseph Smith never practiced or taught the spiritual wivery/polygamy in mho.
The church as Christ implemented it is true! Leaders make mistakes.
Brian Hales is 100% wrong! Joseph Smith never approved anyone to practice polygamy. He also never practiced it himself. That is proven fact and Brian is uneducated. Historians in the church have wrong information and leaders are not correcting it!
My whole life I have been told that polygamy will be practiced in the church again in the last days. That somehow it will no longer be against the law. Makes me sick because I've found for myself that polyandry/polygamy is an abomination.
Being an elderly convert from another country, I don't have a lot in common with Michelle, but I know truthfulness when I hear it. I left the church 10 years ago. Michelle, I embrace you for your spirited defence of the legacy of Joseph, and what the children are being taught. You deserve respect. Love and admiration from South Africa. 🇿🇦💜
I want an explaination from the ones in charge of letting this out in the church. I will not allow my children to be taught something in such a harmful way... in a cartoon. What is the reasoning? Erikson's stages of development is also a good source.
The section doesn't surprise me. Sounds like a watered down version of what is in "Saints". I am troubled that the original section 101 was not even mentioned. 27:15 perfect opportunity for practicing the filter of the Holy Ghost- which always needs to be on.
Brian Hales is 100% wrong! Joseph Smith never approved anyone to practice polygamy. He also never practiced it himself. That is proven fact and Brian is uneducated. Historians in the church have wrong information and leaders are not correcting it!
"Saints" is actually used as a reference under the pictures in the reader. Most of the time it's a scripture that is referenced in the past readers. I guess Saints is akin to scripture now!
This is craziness. It does appear that selfish adult interest is being put ahead of the welfare of our children, but probably unknowingly. Thank you for putting this out to spread more attention. I did send a letter and I'll put my letter in your 2nd video comments...which I am going to watch also!
I don’t know how to navigate this. I’m just trying to get back to church and how am I supposed to protect my children? Church is suppose to be safe. I might have to teach them at home if this continues. When will the church finally get rid of this nonsense? Is this coming from the top? Who approved this?
I read the chapter and it’s just presented so concise and neat, tied up with a little bow.. I can see most of the faithful membership just taking it, believing that’s how it is. It’s got the church logo on it.
Best case scenario for the church doing this is ignorance. Worst case is grooming for re-introducing the “doctrine”. I don’t think it’s either of those… it’s probably a complicated in-between.
Brian Hales is 100% wrong! Joseph Smith never approved anyone to practice polygamy. He also never practiced it himself. That is proven fact and Brian is uneducated. Historians in the church have wrong information and leaders are not correcting it!
I fully understand how this is shocking. We’ve had violence and war, arms and heads chopped off etc in children’s readers since I was a girl (50) years old now. So, age appropriateness seems to never have been considered much in the church.
And children’s fairy tales have people cutting off their heels and toes in order to fit into the glass slipper. Yet, happily ever after is understood to be the hero marrying the princess.
Polygamy is abominable and damning. The highest emulation of godhood is marriage. God is monogamous.
That's a good point. We need to do much better.
The bigger issue is that polygamy, a whoredom is being taught as a high and holy principle. And yes I agree, we need to be sensitive of the various difficult things that come up
Brian Hales is 100% wrong! Joseph Smith never approved anyone to practice polygamy. He also never practiced it himself. That is proven fact and Brian is uneducated. Historians in the church have wrong information and leaders are not correcting it!
Okay, then. I want to help gather Israel and fulfill D&C 4. But this is a great stumbling block, a bed of quicksand, a rotting carcass of a dead raccoon trapped in our chimney.
I was never comfortable as a missionary teaching "milk before meat."
Polygamy is not milk or meat. It is whoredom per God in Jacob 2-3. Meat is Jesus Christ. Milk is learning to love others and not be contentious. You might Revisit that scripture in full context.
@@BridgeBuilder-x4c Jacob 2:30 says you are wrong. Remember bridge guy.... CONTEXT. :>)
@@godsoffspring4195 What are "THESE THINGS" mentioned in Jacob 2:30?
@@BridgeBuilder-x4c Can't be sure you're comment is gone from sight but I can guess that Jacob 2 tells the Nephites to have only one wife unless He says otherwise. Not what you said. LOL
@@godsoffspring4195but you still won't tell us where God commands it. Still waiting......oh, you can't because He doesn't.🤔
So let me get this straight-kids will be taught that at any point, God might command their daddy to marry another woman [how kids will process this], but when the same child goes into young women’s and young men’s, they will be taught that whoever looketh upon a woman to lust after her is committing adultery in his heart? Also, that in the temple they will covenant to have sexual relations with only one person, their spouse?
Um….what is going on?
EXACTLY 💯💯. Complete contradiction!!
Wow as a ex mormon I absolutely agree with you on this topic! And your 90 yr old mother also agrees... It gives me hope that woman in the church, or out of the church can unite against grooming children!!!! You did a beautiful job discussing this topic, as a mother i congratulate you for your honesty, wisdom, and passion... because good momma's understand this truth and topic! Your Mother sounds wonderful, and Wise.
I was a member of the Mormon church for 67 years and the started to do my own research of church history and found so many wrong teachings and had my name removed from church records and feel at peace !!! Yes I still believe in Father God and the Savior Jesus Christ and The Holy Bible and it’s the only Scriptures that are TRUE !!! 🙏🏻💜
No, The Book of Mormon is also true!
Brian Hales is 100% wrong! Joseph Smith never approved anyone to practice polygamy. He also never practiced it himself. That is proven fact and Brian is uneducated. Historians in the church have wrong information and leaders are not correcting it!
I agree that this newly released material is not age appropriate for children. I didn’t know about polygamy until I was a teenager. What GOOD reason is there for it to be given to younger children?
Children’s innocence needs to be protected and prioritized, focusing on basic gospel principles.
Brian Hales is 100% wrong! Joseph Smith never approved anyone to practice polygamy. He also never practiced it himself. That is proven fact and Brian is uneducated. Historians in the church have wrong information and leaders are not correcting it!
Michelle thank you with all my heart for sharing this episode. This is so extremely disturbing! I read the story in the the children's book and was sickened. The way it was written and how it was explained including the animated pictures is absolutely wrong! Every part of my being tells me this is wrong! BTW there are many other stories that were disturbing besides this one. Who do we need to contact to share that we don't agree with this and want it removed.
Brian Hales is 100% wrong! Joseph Smith never approved anyone to practice polygamy. He also never practiced it himself. That is proven fact and Brian is uneducated. Historians in the church have wrong information and leaders are not correcting it!
It’s easier to bring polygamy back if you teach the little ones from the beginning that God does this sometimes.
As Antoine Dodson would say… “Hide yo kids, hide yo wife…”
Child grooming in the church. Who is responsible for adding this? How do we contact the brethren?
What about the teens? What about what will be taught to them about it next year? What about seminary?
Yes, that is also a huge concern.
I had planned to do an episode on the come follow me manual for next year. I will still do that. This one just felt more urgent.
@@MichelleBStone there are many deep reasons why this is troubling. Personal I feel its to prepare the younger members to get ready to live it. I have said it for the last 8 years
My daughter is still a member and even though I have taught her everything about this subject- her time in seminary and church has influenced her enough to believe that regardless of this falsehood- the church is true. So, the power of the church’s programs and their “feel goods” with constant indoctrination absolutely overrides her common sense. I showed it to her on the app and she just stared at it in disbelief. I know it’s disturbing to her. I wonder what she will do when this comes up next year
54:57 I don’t think they want any of us to have autonomy when it comes to the church and religious teachings and beliefs. PS! I love love loved safety kids but I never would have thought of applying any of that message to church folks. It’s unfortunate but very very true.
26:27 isn’t it crazy how we were able to receive a witness from the Holy Ghost that polygamy was of God, only to later find evidence that put that “truth” in question. That causes a much bigger issues which is doubting or trusting the truthfulness of the “Holy Ghost”.
I was a 30 year Catholic. Never ever did polygamy enter the conversation in all those years. Yet I married into an LDS family and it’s all I hear about - both pro and con. So odd to me.
Brian Hales is 100% wrong! Joseph Smith never approved anyone to practice polygamy. He also never practiced it himself. That is proven fact and Brian is uneducated. Historians in the church have wrong information and leaders are not correcting it!
I wouldn’t mind it if they mention that it was not a good practice for Women and children then publicly disavowed it.
But that would mean saying the prophet was wrong . polygamy has abuse of Women and children and finances, physically, and mentally women in polygamy, have worse or mental health than women that or not.
53:50 I don’t think the church allows boundaries.
This is very hurtful. My grandmother died this August and she had so much anxiety about polygamy and whether her sweetheart who died thirty years before had already found new and younger wives. 💔
That is heartbreaking.
I wouldn’t mind it if they mention that it was not a good practice for Women and children then publicly disavowed it.
But that would mean saying the prophet was wrong .
This lesson will destroy many people's faith within the Church
I support you 100%, Michelle.
"I cannot fathom"... That sum's it all up. Not all are having that problem in the church.
They should have a problem with anything that contradicts gods laws and is an abomination and whoredom
These are not for the kids. They are for the lazy learner parents that will be reading them to their children in order to help with them inoculate the parents.
Interesting thought. Although, Do you think parents like that would read these to their children? I don't think of lazy learners reading scripture stories with their children. It seems to me that very active and engaged parents are the ones who do that.
@ Lazy learners is not the correct description. But, most parents are simply grabbing and teaching from correlated material.
I bet you see most teachers of all ages avoid this topic next year. You will probably have a few who want to focus on it and drive the nail home, but thanks to you and others like you who have exposed this issue many are awake and can have the tools to stand up against the false traditions and doctrine.
I too are outraged that this is being taught to the children or at any age. Even adults!! I will speak my opinion when this lesson come up for the adults.
It IS complex and confusing. And I see your point. One thing I see that could be good about the wording of it is that it keeps it simple, and tells a story. When someone IS mature enough, perhaps they will look at that story and see what God wants them to see in the story, the topics the situation, etc...
It is plain and simple. Jacob 2-3 ‘many wives and concubines” is ‘whoredom”
It tells a creepy story that will cause trauma
Are the Mormons losing their minds
The scripture and gospel teachings for our children should be truthful and complete we’ve done generations of Saint of the service by giving them a water down version of history. It’s time to end that.
Bottom line; what do they see the character of God is? Do they believe him to be an iniquitous and adulterous god? If so then go ahead, continue this narrative that JS introduced plural marriage. But the God I get up and worship on a daily basis is a loving God, one who holds the chastity of His daughters and sons dear and would never (as constantly shown in the Bible and the BofM and even laid out in the JS papers) want them to experience this level of disgust.
If this is the character of the god they worship, I want nothing to do with it and will make sure my children and grandchildren know and understand the truth behind it all. Thank you Michelle for all you have done in adding to my own testimony of not only how JS was a true prophet called by God, but that my eyes have come to recognize who and what the BofM was meant for. I guarantee, there is much self deflection when people say to you that you are driving people away from the church, but in reality the brethren should be more worried about the TRUTH and not the heresay of what their so called scholars are telling them. The Lord is much pleased with your efforts and sacrifice in bringing to light His truths. The spirit has told me this over and over again and I thank you for it from the bottom of my heart. God bless you and I pray others continue to open their hearts and minds to these truths and not throw the baby out with the bath water as that is what continues to happen to so many as the leaders of the church continue with these lies.
Quesn....If you have concerns with what the church put out and believe it's not correct and don't agree with it. How can you sustain the leadership of the church, especially President Nelson, as prophet, seers, and revelators. President Nelson and the first presidency had to approve of it.
@@keith5459 because prophets sometimes make mistakes. For example, Joseph Smith lost the 116 pages. Also, his bank failed. Brigham taught blood atonement, which pres. Kimball later denounced as false doctrine, along with other things he taught. I sustain the prophet, while still understanding that sometimes they have to adjust policies, temple ceremonies, and course correct from time to time, in general.
There is zero two mommies in polygamy!! Good grief!!
Actually yes there are two mommies or possibly many more in our favorite sin of the doctrine of many wives and concubines
MIchelle, does Roy think President Russell Nelson, all the apostles and the church is lying to you and your children?
I think the church needs to ask itself. ..what IS an abomination? And what then IS making a mockery of God?
If an abomination is an eternal, moral repugnancy from God...why would something that's found to be soooo detestable and god-hated be so easy to implement later?
What other things are in the category of 'abomination'? Idol worship?! Are there, have there been, and will there be idol worship again if God thinks it's necessary?!
Is the Liahona not an example of this -- because the direction from the Holy Ghost could not work upon Nephi -- as we currently teach our youth that it should when we live righteously -- so a substitute proxy object was provided to Nephi in place of the Holy Ghost to be an idol where upon if he lived righteously and obediently it would bless his family with direction they sought?!
How dare a woman tell the Brethren how to minister to the children of the church. They are just as inspired by the spirit as the same prophet Joseph Smith when he received revelation about plural marriage. I remember when I was about 10 years old and was approached by a stranger on a Sunday afternoon as I was waiting for my mom to come out of bishop’s interview. The man was walking past the church building minding his own business when all of the sudden he asked me: “are you the Mormons? Is it true that you guys can have up to seven wives?” I was very surprised by the question because I had never heard anything about polygamy at that point in my life and looking back, I wish I had been better equipped to give a correct answer to that man; who knows? Maybe the young missionary in me would have converted that man and his whole family to the restored gospel had I known the answer to that question instead of receiving it with skepticism and disbelief. I trust our leaders of the church receive revelation from Christ himself and the material provided for us to learn from is inspired by God and it does undergo a long review and approval process. If the sister in this video believes that “churches should not be in the business of indoctrinating children into belief ideas that their parents find abhorrent” (44:44) then she has a problem accepting truths of the restored gospel and is an active act of apostasy against the true church of the Son of God on earth. Not only that, the woman in this video is exhorting parents to withhold their children from church attendance when such important truths of the gospel and church history are taught with the excuse of “protecting the children”. (1:11:36)
"How dare a woman"...??? Woah. Go read the proclamation on the role of a mother
@@kadyladybug I know! I totally thought he was being sarcastic, and using that comment to point out the absurdity. Bizarre and troubling that he was sincere. Wowzers
Your concern here (above and beyond your dispute on historical issues) with regard to appropriateness parallels very closely that of Sam Young, who was excommunicated for so admirably advocating a reform of Bishops' interviews with children to better guarantee appropriateness, safety, privacy, and parental oversight and consent. You, like Young, are addressing serious issues, but I am afraid that the church leadership will respond similarly to you.
While you have elsewhere identified yourself as a conservative or (small "l") libertarian person, it is also clear that you have long had profound differences with the institutional LDS church i.a. regarding womens' issues, gender and sexuality, in addition to your ongoing historical claims, which suggest a broad conspiracy of the post-Joseph Smith church and contradict all church leaders from Young to Nelson.
Although I am not intellectually convinced by your historical research into Smith and polygamy and the purported conspiracy to rewrite polygamy into Joseph Smith's church, and I am profoundly opposed to any censorship (schools or churched are not intellectually "safe spaces": how can the ten commandments or the US Constitution be taught without touching on the most dangerous topics: murder, fidelity, theft, covetousness, slavery, etc.?), I do happen to agree with many of your positions on church authority, the role of women, and gender and sexual identity. I find, however, that you too often fail to separate -- indeed confuse -- your factual, historical research with your personal, spiritual, and emotional arguments. This confusion, although certainly a vivid expression of your own personality, is sadly, unlikely to be appreciated, let alone accepted, by the rigidly conservative male leadership of the church, which never admits errors and culturally cannot respond to, indeed scarcely can even listen to, women. They seem instead to follow the St Paul,who insisted that women not speak in church. (Even though there is good evidence that those words against women were inserted later... But that would be getting into the kind of critical scholarship rejected by the church! (May I also note your constant use of terms like "boundaries", "safe spaces", "triggering", etc. that come from the supposedly radical left world of political correctness.))
I fear for your communion with the institutional church, but I also wonder how a strong woman with your values and ideals, would chose to remain in such a church?
O.M.G.....!!!!! YUCK
Irony much? For the first 50 years the LDS didn't listen to women, and what is the complaint today?
I think this is a positive thing, the leaders are understanding they can't be successful with the long held false history.
Michelle, I am sorry this upsets you but I do think it is a good thing. This is a great opportunity for you to rethink the Brigham problem. This is the modern day leadership addressing the same issues Brigham had to address in 1844-1870. Simply how to blend the truth into a real religion. It is just like David in the Bible, given all he strayed into the seven deadly sins.
What if....
I was with you 100% until you brought up and quoted President Nelson. He is not a prophet of God.
I think she is considering her audience and using what LDS people do believe so that they will listen
Michelle, I really enjoy the work you do and I have one suggestion that might be helpful. You don’t need to apologize or explain what you’re doing and what you’re covering. I’ve been listening for eight minutes and I still have yet to hear what it is that you’re responding to and I don’t understand your hesitancy other than that you’re not certain what you’re saying is true.
I put it up on the screen in the first minute. I'm not sure what you mean.
She did explain it right at the beginning
@@MichelleBStonesorry I must have missed it. My bad and I shouldn’t have said anything. It’s all 👍
Was it that the church is teaching plural marriage? D&C 132 is specifically and solely about polygamy though right? I mean the provenance of the letter to Emma says it was to convince her of plural marriage not monogamy. Why would he have threatened her to be married monogamously?
@@Sayheybrother8 No problem 🙂
Rebellious people are never content with anything. First they as for more sources and to teach all there’s it to be taught about the gospel and church history and now we are doing so and there are still unsatisfied. Anyone that disagrees with the prophets, the scriptures and what has been revealed is an open apostasy
Could it be that you consider anyone who is not content, are a problem “rebellious”?
It all depends on how one questions and seeks. Thankfully, the Lord knows the hearts of those seeking.
The entire reformation that allowed the restoration to proceed was first recognizing discrepancies between current leaders (i.e. those holding the keys of Peter) and the scriptures and calling attention to it. They risked death. Not all prophets/popes talk to God. False prophets give false prophecies. Telling the difference between false prophets and sent ones requires you to consider the fruit.
Michelle is in alignment with the Lord in scripture on polygamy. The question is, why are some prophets not? Is it about wanting to throw fig leaves on Brigham Young?
@ how she is in alignment with the lord ? She is not even the mouth piece of the lord, she completely disregards and disbelief scripture she had said time and time again she doesn’t believe in all the Book of Mormon and doctrine and covenants not she believe in the prophetic mantel of the prophet Russel M Nelson. How all this would qualify her to be in alignment with the lord ??? Jacob clearly says if God commands polygamy polygamy would be live how she can’t believe that ??
Your diatribe is a mess and very emotional and not based on fact, really your unresolved trauma is on display
It is messy and should cause negative emotion that we have a doctrine of concubines in the church and are teaching young children something that will and should for someone with a conscience be troubling
I’m having a real hard time trying to understand your issue! My great grandfather had 6 wives. His history is captured in a book of over 1000 pages. Full of personal history and writings from him and his family. My grandmother spoke so positively of her father and mother and her “aunties” and her childhood. And yes, follow scripture, God did institute polygamy for some people at different times. This is a part of church history and Bible history. Why would we not teach this to our children? To me this is a non issue. I’m much more concerned with the church changing the doctrine within the temple. Specifically the first covenant. Where women covenanted to obey the law of Christ and the men covenanted to obey the law of Elohim. But somehow we all now make the same covenant that is ambiguous. This is a much greater concern than a lesson that teaches factual history.
incorrect. God NEVER commanded polygamy.
@ maybe you should go read the scriptures. Because he clearly did.
@truthandwisdombydeano9695 1. Biblical Evidence Against Polygamy as God’s Command
God’s Ideal: Monogamy
Genesis 2: 24: "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh." This verse sets the precedent for marriage as a union between one man and one woman. The phrase “one flesh” suggests unity and exclusivity.
Deuteronomy 17: 17: In the law of Moses, God warned kings against polygamy, saying, “Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away.” This directive highlights the dangers of multiple marriages leading to spiritual and emotional distraction.
Matthew 19:4-5: Jesus Christ reaffirmed the creation account, saying, “Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female… and they twain shall be one flesh?” Christ’s teaching reiterates monogamy as the divine standard.
@truthandwisdombydeano9695 provide your scriptural reciepts
@ read about Abraham, and Isaac. Then read what God told Joseph smith.
I think Michelle should every day be thankful for the practice of polygamy in the LDS church in the 19th century. Without it, what would Michelle really spend her time on? Surely she has little interest on other more important subjects like the gospel of Jesus Christ, Book of Mormon, or anything else. When one gets so focused on one subject, regardless of what it is, they can't see the forest for the trees. I have no problem with the practice of polygamy in the LDS church in the 19th century. I have no problem with Joseph Smith being a polygamist but its not a top 50 subject for me. There are so many more relevant and important topics to talk about today but that is my opinion. For Michelle, it is THE topic and she should be thankful for polygamy as a result.
It’s a top 3 subject for thousands of others. Move along.
@@rhyde0731Yes. Especially for women and girls who have been taught that we will all likely live polygamy in the next life.
The system and how it was taught in the early church is both sexually and spiritually abusive at its core.
@@rhyde0731 You move along. That's what's going to be what end up happening anyways. I wonder what Michelle thinks she should call her new church. 🤔
The doctrine of the devil should always be exposed for what it truly is... Joseph Smith said... Polygamy and murder go hand in hand...
@@shootergavin3541 I think you need to go read the Beatitudes and Sermon on the Mount.
@ I find it very hypocritical of your part that says that how we don’t think of the children and we should leave the children alone from this “ deep doctrines “ or troublesome to some, yet you have your own children appeared in your shows supporting your apostates views. Can you see that? I guess you don’t see that because you feel that your impressions and revelations are greater that of the prophet Russel m Nelson you said to before to me and I take it you still hold that view. You are a danger to many who are seeking light and truth you are presenting your doubts and lack of faith as truths you don’t have a neutral view on anything. You need to repent and come to term that your revelations and inspiration are not from God if they defy the Mateo of the prophet and the teaching that came as revelations
@@gokuxt1 oh my gosh! It’s the guy with the creepy icon again! Geez, go haunt someone else.
The difference is that her views cause children to feel safe and protected in the church whereas the other cause them trauma
I think I know why plural marriage in the church is being taught. Because it was a reality and of God for a time. They are being taught that because people like this are lying about it and blatantly discrediting the chain of custody regarding church leaders. Brigham Young and others were stalwart prophets and leaders of the church. Maybe, just maybe we can thank Michelle and others who are trying to rewrite priesthood authority for the opposition in teaching our children the truth. :>)
@@godsoffspring4195 have you watched any of her other videos?
Brigham's plural wife Ann Cobb was married to another man when he married her. She also had 7 children already. When her first and current husband found out he tried to divorce her for fornication with another man (Brigham Young). It took three years to go through the court, but he finally did divorce her. Therefore, Brigham committed adultery. He did this with other women as well. And he married many of them on the same day as well as several per month for a time. This was an adulterous situation and we need to understand that. The Lord is pure. He loves his daughters. He protects them. And he has corrected this practice that occured in the church which was not helpful but harmful.
@@leslieboyce2455 Yes, although I've had all this worked out years ago or I would NEVER even thought of becoming part of a church who has had disobeyed God. There has been nothing offered in any of these videos other than wayward opinion and apostate views. By throwing out the credibility of past prophets and leaders, redefining scripture at their expense and resting other holy writ all together, is very ignorant and wrong.
If plural marriage was never ever advised or allowed by the Lord when He saw fit AT ALL.... He would have made it very clear to Abraham to date. That has never been done and there is zero Holy Ghost support for what these deniers are peddling.
You say it' was of god for a time... I know Jesus Christ is an unchangeable God... Who is your polygamy God... What is his name
You should follow god not prophets who go against him
RIP to innocence
RIP to honesty
Brighams false teachings live on, if only in the hearts of some leaders...
And apparently forcing it on children now
😢 😢 ❤️🩹💔
Michelle, This is a mess. Regarding plural marriage, you better be teaching your children that monogamy is desired of the Lord unless and/or until He says otherwise. Otherwise... you are teaching against the scriptures AND the church. You keep saying it's contradictory to the scriptures when it is not. What do you tell your children regarding thou shalt not kill yet the Lord has had many killed many times??
The commandment is, “Thou shalt not murder”. There is a difference. See Dennis Prager’s explanation on his Ten Commandments series.
@@freelinemike Yet Nephi was told to go cut Laban's head off. Moses was told to kill an entire people except the clean women. What are you calling murder?
@@freelinemike I know the difference. Was Laban murdered or just killed??
When God told Moses to wipe out an entire people... what was that??
@@godsoffspring4195 Glad we cleared up that there’s a difference. Michelle may be teaching against the current official narrative, but she is defending Joseph, Emma, and even God. That’s way more important than towing the church line.
@@freelinemike You never answered the question(s) and I'm pretty sure God doesn't need the help of those who will not understand their scriptures nor have the Holy Ghost supporting them. Thanks for clearing up she is teaching against the 'narrative'. Time to start a new church me thinks. Trying to kick against the pricks is going drive her over the edge.
Joseph doesn't need her either. Everybody know Smith did not practice physical polygamy. Nothing to defend. What's really going on here and the next step is to deny openly there's no plural unions in celestial eternity.
She basically has said that even in this upload but really no clue at all. I'd advise she and anybody who can't handle the facts just bow out. Getting the boot hurts more.
@ I find it very hypocritical of your part that says that how we don’t think of the children and we should leave the children alone from this “ deep doctrines “ or troublesome to some, yet you have your own children appeared in your shows supporting your apostates views. Can you see that? I guess you don’t see that because you feel that your impressions and revelations are greater that of the prophet Russel m Nelson you said to before to me and I take it you still hold that view. You are a danger to many who are seeking light and truth you are presenting your doubts and lack of faith as truths you don’t have a neutral view on anything. You need to repent and come to term that your revelations and inspiration are not from God if they defy the Mateo of the prophet and the teaching that came as revelations
Her children that have appeared on her show are adults. Big difference!
@ was Brigham an adult ? I don’t think so
The difference is that her views don’t cause trauma