How Referees Make Matches Great

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  • Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
  • A pro-wrestling referee can make a match great, or totally detract from it. Today, let's go over some tips and tricks that refs need to know, so they can augment the matches they officiate, and help make them great!
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  • @Destrophite
    @Destrophite Рік тому +5

    1.Thanks for the Patron shout-out. 2. Another tip that I've learned during my training, while listening to the wrestlers, if you spot multiple people with similar finishes or high spots, let the promoter know. If you have too many say ref bumps, it will diminish the product.

    • @TilWeMakeIt
      @TilWeMakeIt  Рік тому

      That’s a great one, thanks Shawn!

  • @cluckcluck5612
    @cluckcluck5612 Рік тому +3

    The senior ref at the promotion near me, Spartan Pro Wrestling, is named Kelly Keegan. His facial reactions had quickly made him a fan favorite. He is very knowledgeable in the rules and most of the wrestlers in our area want him to officiate their match. Give the promotion a watch!

    • @TilWeMakeIt
      @TilWeMakeIt  Рік тому +2

      I will, thanks!

    • @weezel365
      @weezel365 Рік тому +1

      @@TilWeMakeIt I concur, Kelly is one of the best indy refs around

    • @TilWeMakeIt
      @TilWeMakeIt  Рік тому +1

      @@weezel365 I appreciate the recommendation - thanks!

  • @Seanatonin
    @Seanatonin Рік тому +1

    AEW’s Bryce Remsburg, NJPW’s Red Shoes, WWE’s Charles Robinson makes matches better

    • @TilWeMakeIt
      @TilWeMakeIt  Рік тому

      I agree with those choices wholeheartedly!

    • @Seanatonin
      @Seanatonin Рік тому

      For a follow up episode, talk about wrestlers that turned referees, like one of the Armstrongs, Mickey Jay and Danny Davis

  • @TheSolXP
    @TheSolXP Рік тому

    I've followed Gearl Hebner, aka Ref Aubrey, in my backyard since 2018. I can confirm 2 things: everyone loves working with her, she takes her craft seriously, and this elusive zebra can count to 3. ... wait.

  • @stephentroughton2211
    @stephentroughton2211 10 місяців тому

    The best referee in Ireland is the legend Niall "FOXY" Fox.

  • @danielw65
    @danielw65 6 місяців тому

    Referee Youngblood! I call it down the middle, heel or face.

  • @Brando-Lee3725
    @Brando-Lee3725 11 місяців тому

    Never bury the ref . I see it way too often these days . Sometimes the ref buries themselves even !

  • @brunomaples
    @brunomaples Рік тому +3

    Can think of a particular ref this week who could have benefited from seeing this video lol. Great & applicable advice as always, thanks for doing what you do!

  • @albertausprey
    @albertausprey Рік тому

    RJ Wilkins. Pays attentions to time keeper, communication, loud in count, powerful mat slaps for count. Trained and graduated from The Academy: School of Professional Wrestling with Mr. Anderson as head coach. And he can wrestle, but chooses to referee instead.

    • @TilWeMakeIt
      @TilWeMakeIt  Рік тому

      Intriguing! I taught out at Mr. Anderson's place a few years back, I wonder if I met him back in the day...

  • @JustJulyo
    @JustJulyo Рік тому

    Shout outs to all the refs out there!

  • @RGBrosEntertainment
    @RGBrosEntertainment Рік тому

    Thats why we dedicated a whole playlist of some of the best SoCal Referees and started including them in our video uploads
    Refs needs to be appreciated for being the 3rd person in the ring!

    • @TilWeMakeIt
      @TilWeMakeIt  Рік тому +2

      Nice! Link me to it, please!

    • @RGBrosEntertainment
      @RGBrosEntertainment Рік тому

      @@TilWeMakeIt This includes only a small collection of SoCal refs that have been reffing for quite some time
      ua-cam.com/play/PL0im5D54F5_Vi5RbcTVHLJafuM5XWEGjm.html&si=xhHV-_64dH_qDj0k

  • @Tornado_Xavier
    @Tornado_Xavier Рік тому

    Also the first ref I think of is Charles Robinson, he ads so much to a match and hes so good

  • @delmerjunior
    @delmerjunior Рік тому

    Former NWA ref Robert King was the best ref I've seen in years!

    • @TilWeMakeIt
      @TilWeMakeIt  Рік тому +1

      When was he active?

    • @delmerjunior
      @delmerjunior Рік тому

      At least in the NWA, 2017 to 2021. He was on their flagship program NWA Powerrr

    • @TilWeMakeIt
      @TilWeMakeIt  Рік тому

      @@delmerjunior Oh, I must have seen him then, I watched a lot of those early Powerrr episodes.

  • @wjjwTheDemigod
    @wjjwTheDemigod Рік тому +1

    I know I mentioned it yesterday but Invisible man vs Invisible Stan is a perfect example of how a referee can sell an entire match.

  • @RebelHart9
    @RebelHart9 Рік тому

    👋 Thanks for the shoutout 😁

  • @JackgarPrime
    @JackgarPrime Рік тому

    I had my first tag match in front of a real crowd this week, and while taking the heat, the heels weren't really giving me some time and space to really sell, and the ref noticed this and told them to slow down a little, allowing me to get more time to sell out to the crowd or try to go towards my partner to attempt a tag. I don't know if that's a case of a ref overstepping their bounds or doing what they should in that situation, but I appreciated it, at least.

    • @TilWeMakeIt
      @TilWeMakeIt  Рік тому +1

      It's different everywhere you go. Some workers really appreciate a ref that minds those things, and tries to help. Other places, I've heard complaining about refs who do the same. I think the ref often has a unique perspective on the match, and that input is always worth considering - but not always worth taking.

    • @JackgarPrime
      @JackgarPrime Рік тому

      @@TilWeMakeIt That makes sense. I appreciated it, since I'm a rookie and I didn't feel it would have been my place to tell them to slow down, and may not have even fully realized it, but I can imagine a more veteran wrestler even taking offense at a ref stepping in like that.

    • @TilWeMakeIt
      @TilWeMakeIt  Рік тому +1

      @@JackgarPrime You're right. It's a precarious line to walk.

  • @leightootell2435
    @leightootell2435 Рік тому

    Great video. My personal favorite referee is DM Stevens. He was the guy I went to when I needed to learn how to ref.

  • @mikewill3477
    @mikewill3477 Рік тому

    Great advice as usual Mike! Definitely a video I will share with my referee trainees.
    You mentioned the counts... and this question goes to the general evolution of rules as time passes... I see the WWE has not counted top rope spots for a few years and recently I've noticed they no longer count double downs. Additonally, I'm nostalgic so when I ref a title match I show the title to all 4 sides (that change from wwe is probably due to TV, I understand that).
    My question is at what point, especially on the independent scene, do we adjust to the new way WWE does it?
    WWE is the clear market leader so naturally we are going to follow their lead over time, but they have the advantage of TV equity to get heat, whereas ignoring a 5 count, or a dramatic double down, or abusing the refs 5 count on a tag, are essential ways of getting heat in front of a live crowd and helps engage that illusion of conflict. Take those tools and boundaries away, opportunities where the ref can help a cold heat get hot go away too.
    How/when do we adjust? Or do we?

    • @TilWeMakeIt
      @TilWeMakeIt  Рік тому +1

      Fantastic question. It makes me think of two things: first, is a unique system of rules part of the company's culture or identity? Does it help create the feeling that the product is unique? If so, conforming to what is the current norm might not be the right choice.
      Second, as you astutely point out, the WWE is the industry leader, and to a degree, they dictate expectations that most consumers will have for ALL wrestling they watch. To go against that trend might be a barrier to entry for fans giving an independent option a try.
      And I think it's worth saying here - I don't know what the right choice is, broadly speaking. I think it's worth considering on a promotion-by-promotion basis. Thanks for asking!

  • @ThatDamnJam
    @ThatDamnJam Рік тому

    Here in Scotland we have a good few referee's.
    At Alba Wrestling we have Dan Carolan who is a new referee but he's listening and learning and doing a great job.
    I sent him this video to hear your view on referring and he's very thankful for you putting this out there Mike.
    Hope you are well sir. 🙏

    • @TilWeMakeIt
      @TilWeMakeIt  Рік тому +1

      Thanks for sharing it, Jam! I certainly appreciate it, sir!

  • @Tornado_Xavier
    @Tornado_Xavier Рік тому

    Im too young to learn to wrestle. So what ive been doing is trying to be in the best shape i can be and I'm going to start helping out at the local shows near me with the ring and stuff like that. I cant wait.
    These videos have been so much help learning about the buisness and for that I say thankyou.

  • @kevinkeeffe4252
    @kevinkeeffe4252 Рік тому

    Scott Johnson out in the Southwest part of the country is outstanding. He definitely adds to every card he is on, and has worked his way on to a bunch of shows in the last 8 years. Love to him.

    • @TilWeMakeIt
      @TilWeMakeIt  Рік тому

      This is a new name to me! Where can I watch him?

  • @KayfabeInc
    @KayfabeInc Рік тому

    I have been in the business as a referee for 13 months have only worked at Intense Wrestling Alliance in Nutley NJ as Ref Butts (legit last name) and have been dying for a video like this so thank you Mike this helps alot and is driving me to go back to watch my matches and critique myself thanks again!

    • @TilWeMakeIt
      @TilWeMakeIt  Рік тому +1

      I’m glad this one is helpful! Who runs IWA up in Nutley?

    • @KayfabeInc
      @KayfabeInc Рік тому

      @@TilWeMakeIt a man named Frank Delect

  • @RageCrazeGamer
    @RageCrazeGamer Рік тому

    Always wanted more ref videos, its a role I want to be more familiar with for sure👍

    • @TilWeMakeIt
      @TilWeMakeIt  Рік тому +1

      I'm glad there's an audience for these - it is SUCH an under-valued role in wrestling!

  • @bradyrobinson7873
    @bradyrobinson7873 Рік тому

    That 3 count rule is great. For my school, we had a show and the ref messed up the 3 count during the planned finish and during the main event and it was bad. Luckily my match was an elimination match and it was during the first elimination but he was asking the guy who got pinned I he should count to 3

    • @TilWeMakeIt
      @TilWeMakeIt  Рік тому

      Hoo boy! How did the audience react when the count was messed up?

    • @bradyrobinson7873
      @bradyrobinson7873 Рік тому

      @TilWeMakeIt I couldn't tell during my match because I was focused on my spot which happened right when the guy got eliminated but the main event everyone was confused because it was supposed to be the finish

    • @TilWeMakeIt
      @TilWeMakeIt  Рік тому

      @@bradyrobinson7873 I don't doubt it - if the crowd detects it, it feels a little like the train coming off the tracks.

  • @chrisharmon8660
    @chrisharmon8660 Рік тому

    as a rookie referee ( started in April) this is all solid learning material .definitely the more you can learn pre match helps a ton. Thanks mike

    • @TilWeMakeIt
      @TilWeMakeIt  Рік тому

      You’re welcome Chris! Where are you training?

    • @chrisharmon8660
      @chrisharmon8660 Рік тому

      @@TilWeMakeIt net pro studios kingsport Tennessee trainers crazy steve and ovw referee shane chess