There has been a calculation error on my part!!! Climbing 1.6 km of stairs would only take a few days (max) to climb, NOT months... Sorry for the mistake and thank you for the correction!!! (Also, I’m a slow walker 😆). Also, go watch Silo! It is a great sci-fi show with an amazing set design. You should definitely check it out!
1:33 Yeah i have half of the floor 12 unit with a friend of mine having the other half its made for 75 people but they don't expect more than 30 to be able to make it to the bunker from where they are primary blast zones n all
days...? no, just no. people have climbed MT Everest in a day. 8.9km up without oxygen. and you would think they have some kind of lifts right? have not seen the show
There was a TV sci-fi series "Cleopatra 2525" that aired around 2000-2001 in N. America. Much of the action took place in very deep underground habitats/shafts with hundreds of levels. They would travel down levels by jumping into the open shafts and freefall, with some kind of wearable tech to slow down at their destination; though they didn't show them going up very often. They could sometimes go to the surface, but it was controlled by hostile aliens. The show was campy but fun in the best way.
I remember reading the excellent book "Raven Rock" by Garrett Graff about the US government's post-apocalyptic survival plans, and what always stuck with me was the response of the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court when he was offered a chance to ride out a hypothetical nuclear war with the rest of the government. After being told what this would actually entail, he refused, and basically said that he would rather die in a nuclear war than have to live underground with nothing but the Joint Chiefs of Staff for company. Strong Dr. Strangelove vibes to the whole concept. We Must Not Allow A Mineshaft Gap.
@@e21big I think so, yeah! Although the in-game design is pretty different from the actual Raven Rock (I think...been awhile since I played Fallout 3).
Robarts Library holds a special place in my heart-so much nostalgia. I vividly recall gazing up at its grand and unique brutalist design, with its sharp angles slicing through the sky. Once inside, the immense scale of its spaces immediately engulfs you, making you feel incredibly small in comparison. The library's imposing aesthetic is truly unforgettable.
The charts used at approximately the 4:12 mark, when the talk is about growing demand for bunkers, isn’t about that at all. They are about growing demand in bunker fuel - heavy fuel oil used in cargo ships, etc - not bunkers as in shelters. That’s a surprising misstep.
11:58 "the journey between floors should take days and from top to bottom it should take months". 144 floors 15 meters apart are just a bit more than 2 km. That's a rather small mountain to climb. The rule of thumb for hikers is that 100 m of elevation take 15 minutes, so that would be less than 6 hours from bottom to top. Probably 8 including rests. (Sorry for nitpicking)
I was at a meeting/retreat once at an Appalachian campground. There was a hill that was probably a bit less than 1 km high. I ran up it, off the trail, because I could. It really wasn't that challenging.
Yeah the math in the video is quite a bit off. But in the context of the show I think it would probably not be as fast as 6-8 hours. There was only one central stairwell, it is bound to always be crowded, and some section might be closed off during certain hours for maintenance or security reasons, etc. So 2-3 days average for a journey from top to bottom would be more likely. More athletic people might make it in 1 day, but most would take more time.
I think you are missing the fact that they are not climbing in a straight line, but in an shallow spiral, they have to cover a lot more ground for the same distance. a month to climb is ways off though. I'm pretty sure in the show they show it takes around a day for old people in a slow pace with rest periods, and maybe less than half a day for experienced couriers.
I've always thought that if you were to make a very large communal bunker, one key aspect would be to have several large, central areas that mimic external areas. Say for example, having a pedestrian city street and town square, with facilities and homes with windows looking out on it to give the illusion of an exterior space. Even if the bunker is large, if you could hop onto a bike and pedal your way across it, that would be beneficial for the occupants.
this comment reminds me of the dread i felt looking at the "how good are we" pictures of a bunch of toolshed sized buildings on a huge (bleak) cement pad on housing the homeless. omg, a few patches of green wouldn't hurt. there's lots of low maintenance (edible) plants you could plant instead of having all that cement
@@robertgronewold3326 in the books though it was much darker then the movies, pretty much you couldn't see your hand if you placed it inf front of you but ya the larger the structure, the more maintenance is required. even though the building we have is led at the place i work at we have to change them every few years, the maintenance workers usually have to replace 1-6 lights a day. pipes depending on location and what not can last years or few years
More studies have shown that instead of people going feral in times of catastrophe, they organize for the collective good, so maybe we need more media and stories about that, to get rid of this idea 'you're on your own' the problem with a bunker of course is, what do you do when/if you get out? In the movie Threads, a town committee goes down into their bunker, and the town hall above collapses on it, so they all suffocate inside, unable to help the community they were supposed to be protecting.
They do both, but as a rule the ones who go feral and individual don't last long, while the collectivists quickly form new power bases that can control territory, either integrating or displacing the individualists as they 'reclaim' territory lost in whatever disaster befell their society. So survivorship bias tends to heavily favor the collectivists - unsurprising for a social species. Individualism isn't a survival adaptation - human individualists classically have lousy lifespans - its an exploratory adaptation, they are the leading edge of the expansion of civilization, not the leftovers from disasters. A truly monumental disaster that quickly killed over 99% of the population might see individualists as some of the few survivors, but even the worst nuclear war scenarios aren't nearly that bad - and any scenario that IS that bad would very likely see the remaining 1% die out in a few years no matter what they did.
Culture has something to do with it. Look at the contrast of the natural disasters of hurricane Katrina in 2005 and earthquake and tsunami in Japan in 2011 after the first few days.
didn't it happen that arround the time Lord of the Flies came out a bunch of kids got into a similar situation & they did basically the opposite of the movie & cooperated?
"Station Eleven' shows a post apocolyptic world that is less "survival of the fittest" and more about the importance of community, art, and human connection. "The Last of Us" is somewhat of a mix of this.
Thanks so much for creating and sharing this informative video. Great job. Keep it up. I love how you talk with your hands, reaching out to us, trying to pull us in!
IRL if you were to make the "Silo" you would wrap a staircase around the elevator shaft and to control where people go just have security gates on the access points to the sensitive floors themselves. Limiting the flow of people limits the efficiency of the mega building. You want all of the farms together, since then you only have to build their systems ONCE and all the maintenance for that system would be in one area allowing part storage to also be on the same floors. Since people could use the elevator that means management of the farms, technicians and farm hands don't have to live in the same nearby location and if they don't can come to the farms at any time and not with a week of walking between visits.
gotta say, the earth scraper that was shown that was a kind of reverse pyramid approach was cool imo. We always think about building higher and higher, but having visible access to light all the way to the bottom of the underground structure seems like a solid option to not feel berried and also have a mega structure.
There's an old Polish sci-fi from 1984 called Seksmisja about two men woken from cryo sleep to find themselves in an all-women society living in an underground bunker. The way information was collected and controlled in the story made it a metaphor for living under Russian oppression. Pretty interesting looking back at it now.
I find it completely mysterious why anyone would think that humans would want to live with architecture that sets out to be “brutal”. A case of theory running away with itself and forgetting the practicalities of life
i saw that movie long time ago, maybe in late 2000s, and that Silo series was pretty much adapted from the same. it was such a fun movie to be honest, and nice dystopian ideas. Silo was super serious and strict upon their ideologies, still phenomenal acting from the casts.
going back to tsutomu nihei, the silo reminds me of his manga Knights of Sidonia where the remnants of humanity live in a spacefaring "seed ship" called the Sidonia. it's structured exactly like the silo but is 28km long, with residential housing attached onto the outside of the central shaft ( what was the barrel of a massive ship-long cannon ), a sea populated with fish, a beach suspended from the ground, along with commercial, residential, and manufacturing districts located along and inside the outer wall. even some parts have districts with japanese style houses and religious shrines, its very cool
I was just thinking about that manga as well, and how it could be an interesting structure for her to consider looking at since it's in a very similar vein. Albeit, it's a space faring 'bunker' instead, with the need to consider additional aspects required for space travel. But still would be an interesting addition to these sorts of structures.
@@chromesucks5299 The information environment in that one is interesting, because the leadership is clearly lying to the population about a lot - but the Gauna are still quite real and exceedingly deadly.
Muse made a sci-fi music video called Knights of Cydonia, but from what you've described, I'm having a hard time seeing it being inspired by the manga.
I recently found out about your channel through YT recommendations and though I have nothing to do with architecture in my professional work(software and quant stuff) I'm hooked. Great videos and the research that goes behind them.
When I was in London this summer I took a random stroll and found myself at Barbican Centre. I had no idea about it before stumbling upon it. I was in quite a bit of awe on how beautiful it was. There were a few areas inaccessible to the public, but I got to see quite a bit of it. The mix of nature and concrete seemed pretty cool to me.
@@V77710 Yes. I find the whole fantasy/future/dystopian angle very uninspiring (depressing actually). I believe we live in a time where we desperately need inspiration. With Demi‘s gifts, she’s in a strong position to offer inspiration; to get people tapping into their own creativity and problem-solving skills.
Zion is my favourite version of this style of bunker. I particularly liked the fact they had access to a cave to at least feel connected physically to an environment outside of the manufactured. It's a connection to something natural, not nature itself as would have existed on the surface, but something not created by man or machine.
No thank you! 😁 I live in the countryside in Germany, lots of trees, lots of nature and, more importantly, its getting really dark during nighttime, so dark that i can actually see the milky-way galaxy and lots and lots of stars. I wouldn't change it for all the riches in the world!
This is about surviving after a nuclear war. The assumption is that after such a war there won't be much left of your country side, trees or nature. Personally, I don't think I'd want to be around anymore if that happened. BTW, Germany is one of the most light polluted countries in the world. If you want to see the Milky Way in fantastic clarity you need to travel to northern Denmark, Norway, Sweden or Finland. Scotland is supposed to also be good. Or southern Peloponnese, (best weather there).
@@Alex-fy7sc I do as well prefer to be part of the grateful and lucky dead, no pun intended 😁, than trying to survive a post apocalyptic nuclear waste land. I can assure you, where I live its pretty dark..
@@5t4n5 I can imagine. It's important that there are no big urban centres for at least 100 kilometres. The further away the better. Villages don't count so much because they have hardly any street lamps.
Remember the supply chain issues during the pandemic? I don't understand personal bunkers. Our species has relied on collective cooperation as a bare minimum.
Well maybe we can hire some Palestinians to connect the silos with tunnels. lol. But I agree with you. I don’t believe we’re going to need to hunker down with our family in a hole in the ground. I think the homestead route is the most likely option. But what I see most people missing with their self sufficient property is a community to depend on. Like if I had the means I’d want a homestead for me my family, extended family and friends. Like a solid 10-15 family units. Try to get a doctor, dentist, engineer, electrician, carpenter, HVAC technician, radio and computer guy. Then make sure they’re married with children and conservative values as far as the family. Then I wouldn’t want like ex navy seals or war veterans. I’d want hunters and outdoorsmen to use as defense. I feel like if things get though they’ll be less likely to kill us off to save their family. Then farmer’s and the stereotypical Native American type person who knows plants and their medicinal properties. Cause it’s not like you’re going to be getting bottles of Tylenol and antibiotics. But yeah you’re gonna need a lot of diversity of skills if you plan on actually sustaining and rebuilding society. Even then it would be good to have a pact with a few other groups that you trade with on occasion. You aren’t going to make it with just your family. Even if you have 500 years of mres. You’ll inbreed to death. Or a group of desperate people will overrun you. Those missile silos might be able to survive a nuclear blast. But can they survive a siege of 100 men with power tools tungsten carbide blades and all the time in the world? No. It can’t.
@@forfun6273can those 10 family’s turn back that 100 men as well Surely depends on the makeup of said family’s and then nothing survives the onslaught of time Is it all moot?
A full nuclear exchange actually doesn't kill as many people as you might think only a few hundred million. And heavily dependent on where you are. It is the breakdown in society that will kill billions due to supply chains and breakdown of social order. If you have a bunker that last you 1 year. You will come out into a calmer localized agricultural society. Then you can find your place in a group
I always enjoy your videos for their in-depth research, the unique topics you discuss, and the astonishing visuals. But that transition from Mars to Voyager to the Silo - bravo, that was something out of this world.Thanks to everyone who took part in creating this (and all the other) videos!
0:03 It’s not just a show, it’s also a three-part book series. It’s really good with its descriptions and I’ll just say that the show looks nothing like it.
i read a book called Wool and it takes place in a silo like this, maintenance in the very bottom, all admin up top, the low skill workers spend all day transporting products and message by stair. the worst punishment is getting sent outside in a suit that will fail and let radiation in, nost people are given wool rags to optionally clean windows so the people inside can see outside.
What impressed me about the Wool books was the way the reader thinks he understands but is proved wrong. The people in the silo certainly think the Earth is a radioactive wasteland, but is that true?
Your videos are amazing. A cool video suggestion along the lines of your Kowloon City video could be and examination of the design of Parc Extension as compared to Town de Mont-Royal in Montreal. I've read stories about the lore and how the division started when the two areas were incorporated. TMR residents locking the gates on Halloween, the fence, the shrubs and the invisible barriers that they form in the psych of each side of rue Acadie, which feeds to/from highway traffic.
While one might feel some security in having a bunker, the bigger question is "would you want to live in the post apocolypse?" Surviving an event and living for a few days, weeks or even a year in a bunker in whatever level of comfort you can afford is fine. But you're either going to die in there, making it a tomb, or you, or your descendants, are going to have to come out at some point and try to exist in the world with whatever and whomever else is there. I guess that's just the human drive to survive. The stories in the City of Ember series take on similar issues.
@@attckDog depends on the scenario, the real risk with Nuclear war is the effect it'll have on environmental sustainability (nuclear winter) due to serious climate change and to a lesser extent, radioactive fallout. Actually rebuilding a civilization where starvation is the biggest risk factor is problematic.
@@V3RTIGO222 radioactive fallout iirc becomes lessened down to background radiation in like a couple weeks. The worst of it being in I think was in just the first few hours. The biggest issue would be supply chains being completely in pieces, whether for food growth/distribution or healthcare and so on.
@@Vaeldarg That's what I said... the nuclear winter would cause serious subsistence issues, fallout would exist and would be damaging but generally more limited in scope. We could still have dust storms with radioactie particles from some nuclear weapons and the like, but generally most that exist are designed to have minimal radioactive permanence for a reason.
In City of Embers, the government leader in order to keep political power over the residents misinforms the residents telling them the outside world is dangerously radioactive when it is not so the residents will stay in the underground bunkers and keep the socio economic of the underground bunker infrastructure and his job as leader going.
Actually Fallout too depicted the same subject about underground bunkers. I loved the entire video🧡 especially the Robarts Library chapter, it brings interesting details and facts. Great explanation, thank you🧡
I'm not a Brutalist, but Robart's Library doesn't seem all that bad. Given all the copy paste between victorian houses, 80s era architecture and worst of all shitty shoebox condos we are finding sprouting up in Toronto, Robart's Library seems like something diverse/unique to rather bland Toronto architecture scene. Sure, won't negate your experience as a student and on the campus it might be an eyesore. But, as a whole when it comes to the whole city, I think it's a welcome edition from a bygone era.
I've always kinda love Brutalist buildings and design. Not an architect or an engineer, but there's something about the starkness and severe lines that give me this futuristic vibe that I like. I also like rainy days and hiding in my house, so... I may be a bit odd.
2:15 The systems were built with plans for the future; they can be retrofitted to intake outside air in Silo, you will see in S02 as we Shift perspectives to multiple silos
I absolutely love your videos. They are so well done and you have done such great research and are amazing and relaying the information in such a digestible way. I also love how you tackle concepts from sci-fi and fiction and explain real world analogs or inspiration. I had considered a career in architecture when I was younger, and studied many architects and styles, and still love architecture to this day, but I ended up going down a different artistic path, though I often find inspiration is architecture still. Keep up the great work. Your videos are always inspiring to me. Truly. Edit: I forgot to add that there is a great series that was on the History channel called "Life After People" that explores the what would happen to the world if humanity were to suddenly die off.
I think we need to ask ourselves the question; Do we want to be a part of the solution, or a part of the problem? If we spend the resources, either individually or collectively, on solutions, we won’t need to worry so much about the problems.………..I’m so delusional.
I think the concept of prepping is disempowering. A billionaire creates a bunker with tip money by signing a check. A prepper takes all the time and resources he could use to protest, donate to political campaigns, write articles, go make speeches, organize and puts it into dried potato powder.
The problem is humanity. Our ability to harness and develop technology has removed us from the normal control mechanisms of the natural world. As a result we procreate uncontrollably, destroy parts of the natural world in the rush to gather resources to feed the ever expanding needs of our culture and the species; all without responsibility. Nature will correct our activities as the CoVid-19 pandemic has just demonstrated. The question is are we sufficiently advanced to use our technology to build a human biome that separates ourselves from the world, integrate controls to limit the demand on space, resources and energy availability and alter our cultures to encapsulate survival traits that promote sustainability, enlightened co-operation and the abandonment of authoritarianism, selfish ambition and the delusion that a small group of people can make the world better. If we as a species can do this then the universe is ours, we could live in orbital habitats, on the surfaces of alien worlds or live between the stars as a truly independent race. Living in bunkers is another sign of how petty minded we have become.
realistically you can forget about large-scale self-sustainable silos anyway. Most ways to make electricity takes a shit-load of water so it's not doable if you don't have access to an underground river or lake.
It's such an obvious dead-end too, that we can't stop ourselves from rendering an entire lush green planet uninhabitable, but we'll be able to maintain our existence in extremely precarious tubes. It's like a person is taking the GED, and if they fail, their plan is to take the GMAT instead.
There is this Japanese anime Pale Cocoon (2006) directed by Yasuhiro Yoshiura. I love his overall work as they all connect together. To get to the point, for this particular work, this anime is starts of with two data researcher piecing together photos of green pastures, leaving the suspense of what is exactly going on. They're working alone in a silo style hole on some level, they talk about how everyone else has move to lower levels deeper in the structure. The boy gets frustrated and starts climbing up the structure. His friend joins him; curious what is above, when everyone has gone deeper, given up on the research of what's on the surface. When they get to surface. SPOILER: They're on the moon inside a dome with a view of Earth!
Depth will make the ambient temperature 84 F Degrees at the bottom, there will be no cold running water. Temperature rises by about 1F every 330 feet you go underground, starting at about 60F. About the maximum depth you can have habitation is around 2/3 of a mile.
They already have this with a massive Natural feature under the Denver Airport and it runs all the way to Colorado Springs and in CO Springs they litterally have a military base in a mountain openly "cheyenne mountain"
I didn't read the book but in the TV show. It was implied that if you were going from one of the Upper levels, all the way down to engineering. It would take a day or more. They did in fact have hotels and hostels for travelers to stay at. Especially going back up.
Reading the entire series makes the show more understandable: Wool Shift Dust The show is essentially based on the first book, wool. It will be interesting to see if the series will continue through shift and dust story lines.
Soon, there is going to be the rapture. It's when there will be trumpet sounds, and after the trumpet sounds, God will lift his people from here. Also, God said people should be living by the Bible. Amen, and God bless you. * John 3:16 - "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish but have eternal life".
10:00 There’s a series called “Life After People” iirc that covers exactly this sort of thing across myriad domains (e.g. tall buildings, zoos, power plants, etc.).
I'm really surprised you've never made a video about the game Control (if you have, sorry, I couldn't find it). The architecture in The Oldest House is INCREDIBLE. The screenshots I got from that game are stunning. The lighting, shadows, the geometry in the design aesthetic. The way the building has a mind of its own and shifts rooms. That game blew my mind, especially the Ashtray Maze. I hope you see this, because if you haven't seen Control, I think you'd be fascinated by the game.
Really great and fun video! I especially enjoyed the art and how involved it was... quite the effort for a video! This deserves more YT algo attention!
Maybe, as you intuit, the Roberts Library structure can be extended into becoming a vertical garden. Properly established it could remaining flowering through the warm season and green throughout the winter months. At the very least it would be a great research project for the school's botannical department, if they have one.
They just used the Thomas Fisher Rare Books Library next to Robarts as the setting for an alien archive in Star Trek Discovery. I find something both unsettling and comforting about Brutalist architecture. The bleakness and coldness of the forms and the implication of a governing entity which can mobilize vast resources to impose such structures on the world is very unsettling. That being said, there is a sense of order and familiarity to institutional settings. There is the sense that there are rules and that they are knowable which is some comfort compared to the uncertainty of the natural world. I get both of those feelings from shows like Silo and Loki where they use Brutalist architecture to great effect.
Right? I've noticed every McDonald's I see is now a dull gray box, the only color is the logo. No longer red roofs and colorful kids' play areas in the front. So freaking bleak, I just don't get why they went that direction.
brutalism is hit or (usually) miss but I love well-executed brutalist architecture and for cases where it doesn't work out on its own, it pairs really well with street art
Yes! We should definitely live underground! I always wanted to. You can plant flowers and farm on the surface and live below. Light is not a problem. It would lead to less consumption if you don't have to heat or cool down your homes. Just have to dig a little...
@11:50 Why would travel between floors, or top to bottom, take days or months? It's only 1 mile deep. I haven't read the book, but even if the spiral staircase is ~10 miles long that'd still only take like 4 hours.
I once visited a pumping power plant. There was a larger room with equipment buried hundreds of meters under a hill with a tunnel going into it and in this room there were windows +- 10 meters up. They were not real windows of course but they were high up and frosted so it was basically impossible to tell that it's not a real sunlight. It was a surreal experience on my senses.
right? i dont see why it would take days.(50 ft=15.24 m) a stair is usually abaut 12 to 18 cm high, lets take the lower one in this case, so since the floors are around 15m high that would be 15.24/0.12=127 steps that is doable in like 10-20 minutes i would say
I never heard about that Library before and I get the feeling that people don't wanna live in a concrete bunker but in the pictures alone this looks awe inspiring. I could imagine a few hundred years after civilization collapsed the people standing before this structure telling stories how this was built by giants or gods
At 1 mile deep the temperature would be about 150 F. You are not far away from using the temperature gradient as an energy source. Go down another mile and it is hot enough to boil water. You can run a steam generator or sterling engine for electrical power. At the Tautona and Mponeng gold mines in South Africa the rock face has a temperature of 140 F.
I think within 76 hours those filters would be block by the people that were left above ground, if not to spite the rich but to smoke them out. Unless the locations are secret.
@@donnguyen3795 Given the amount of resources available in such a large structure, anyone stuck on the surface would likely see it as their only chance, so the people inside would either have to allow them in, or eventually expect to be attacked - and the most straightforward way attack any closed bunker is to choke off it's oxygen supply, which is usually a simple affair. At that point they MUST come out to deal with you and risk direct conflict.
@@downrangefuture6493 Unless you have a force that can sally out to drive off determined attackers, camouflage and internal generators only buy you time - and for a structure of this size, there is no way you're going to realistically hide those air vents. They'd need to be huge and/or very numerous - substantially larger than ones you'd expect for a major urban vehicular tunnel, and those are quite large already. They would likely have to be actual towers to function properly as well.
climbing an endless staircase reminds me of the manga: blame! where you don't really know if you're underground or not. not that any sci-fi using brutalist architecture wouldn't do the same. that one is a masterpiece. now i have to check silo too :)
The architecture of Blame! is a great blend of awe-inspiring and terrifying - which of course is the point - while the generation ship in Knights of Sidonea appears to share a fair number of concepts with Silo, which is appropriate given that it is in effect a survival bunker for humanity in space. Given that Tsutomu Nihei studied architecture before becoming an manga-ka it's not surprising that it always features prominently in his work.
I suggest checking out Girls' Last Tour (Shoujo Shuumatsu Ryokou), it's an anime and manga series about a dystopian post-apocalypse where humanity replaced nearly the entire Earth ecosystem with machinery, and then went all but extinct. The ruined brutalist megastructures that have been subsequently been coated with post-apocalyptic additions by the less advanced civilization that rose from the ruins and then also died out are really something to behold. It's also an atypical example of post-apocalyptica, in that the threat of violence and conflict is almost nonexistent. The human population left on the planet at the point of the story is counted at most in hundreds, more likely just dozens, so those prone of solving their problems with violence have pretty much died out already, and just the chance of running into another human being is something to be celebrated, not feared.
I feel like individual bunkers will never last as small groups are not what people in our society are used to. A communal bunker for a town or city were there is enough room for all to stay fits our society better. In a way this giant bunker does that to an extent, obviously with major flaws present in their hugely unused space. I question their concepts of air flow, a bunker that huge would need its own ecosystem for every floor.
50 feet per floor is equal to 5 flights of stairs , silo is supposed to be 144 floors at that scale its equivalent to a 720 floor building that's a lot of stairs to do in a day
@@mattwayne4800 thanks for the reply, but she said it would take a day to go up one floor. Which doesn't add up. I thought maybe it was something from the book.
I was wondering the same thing. Indeed it would take a long time to climb the length of the silo so she's right about separating communities and restricting the flow of information but to go 4 floors / 50 feet wouldn't take long multi-storey apartment blocks are taller than that! I can well imagine different communities residing in sections of a few floors though as people tend to stick together in smaller communities / tribes. Irl there would be some mass transit / lift system in place- even if its use was restricted to authorised personnel otherwise policing, governance, technical and emergency services would be a nightmare.
And how would it take months to transverse about a mile's worth of stairs? I would estimate that it would take roughly 400 minutes to go up a mile worth of stairs non-stop, but maybe double considering multiple rest breaks. It would likely take roughly half of that to go down with very less need of rest.
I just discovered your channel a couple of days ago and subscribed. I thought I heard a fellow Canuck accent! Great channel. You cover many of my deep passions. I'm an illustrator and have a love of Architecture, SciFi, etc. 🖖😎🤘🇨🇦🕊️
Dami, I'm curious what you feel it would take to construct a modern brutalist structure that avoids causing negative reactions in passers-by. Would you use more exotic geometries?, a mixture of other materials?, or is some fundamental aspect of brutalism so problematic that ditching brutalism is the only answer?
I always liked the idea of a Subterranean house. In my area we have fire and on the opposite side we have tornadoes. The part of the house that's above ground would be living room, kitchen. Non-important rooms. Below would be bedrooms and Storage. That way all the important stuff like valuables in your family are safe under the ground. Also since maybe only 10% of the structure is actually being destroyed. Rebuilding two rooms would be cheap in resources comparing to rebuilding an entire house. These are not meant for surviving nuclear war. You only need to be able to survive underground for a week at the most. On average maybe 2 days.
Tornadoes and wildfires are the main natural dangers where I live too, flooding might be a danger too if we didn’t live high enough away from the river, but we are far enough from the river to not be in danger of flooding every year like the people who live right next to the river have to deal with every year so it isn’t a problem that effects us like it would if we were closer to the river. I also like the idea that you can have a much larger yard space if part of your yard is actually on top of portions of your underground house, I like the thought of having an extra big yard with some nice flowering shade trees like lilacs and room to barbecue and for the dogs to run and play together with lots of flowers and a vegetable garden.
@11:55 "the journey between floors should take days...." Based on what? The distance is not miles an miles between floors, at least not as it is represented in the renderings. What am i missing? Even if the silo was nearly 1 mile in diameter and at say 4 revolutions per level you are still a few hours between levels IF you have to walk the outside of the silo. But if there is a staircase near the center core your transit time could be minutes per level.
In the book, porters do it in a day or less but most people don't have the stamina for hundreds of flights of stairs and typically journey just 20-40 levels in a whole day of travel.
I'm not even sure how architecture stuff came up in my feed but these are some very interesting videos. I love the one about the straight line city. Any chance you could do a video about underwater structures/living habitats/cities/buildings?
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Prepping, especially in terms of stocking up on food and other supplies, isn’t just for civilization ending events. It can help in situations most of us will experience. You lost your job? Stocked up food can save you quite a bit of money while looking for a new one. Scratch that. Any conceivable circumstances when you must save as much as possible is a good example of when it could come in useful.
Its a paradox, because as introverted as we can get, we humans crave socialization one way or the other. We need stimulation, and just as some people may think being surrounded by concrete walls for 10 years is something they can live with, there's a reason solitary confinement is considered one of the worst forms of punishment. There's only so much you can do in a bunker, no other humans means no new influx of information/entertainment that starts turning into its own brand of hellish isolation.
@@h3rpad3rpacifilis Yep, as anti-social as I am every now and then its nice to talk to someone. And solitary confinement for us social creatures is basically psychological torture, those studies on it show that it really fucks up your mind, it's scary.
@@h3rpad3rpacifilis solitary confinement isn’t as straightforward as the name implies, the prisoner is usually disturbed at irregular intervals, so they are usually sleep deprived and there are usually less than sanitary conditions, as well as a multitude of other stressors in place to turn the prisoner’s life to a living hell, in isolation so long as the individual has something to do they can keep themselves sane indefinitely. Unless a person is already mentally unsound most would be fine.
@@VoidCael from what I understand, although the bunker silos that she mentioned were geared toward the wealthy people they would have been expected to perform their own duties, there is no space reserved for “servants”
a stair is from 0.12 to 0.18m tall 50ft is 15.24m 15.24/0.12=127 so betwen floors there is at most 127 stairs, that would not take several days ,at most it would take 20 minutes per floor that is if you can barely walk
127 * 144 levels (Wikipedia ... ) = 18288 stairs total. "Average" person roughly 600 stairs per hour (ChatGPT .... ) = ~30 hours / 8 hours per day = 3.75 days. So, yeah, a month is a bit overcooked, but certainly more than 20 minutes. One imagines that there'd be couriers, specialised in stair climbing (I can't remember from the book, been years since I read it) ... one also imagines they'd generally retire early to a sitting job, as their knees would be absolutely wrecked.
@@ll-cu3kb Ah! Understand now. 🙂 Still an interesting discussion; I was driving soon after commenting and thinking about block & tackle / pulley systems for moving cargo between floors. I don't think that's in the book or the series.
@@mitchellquinn i do think there would need to be something besides humans to move cargo, since moving things from top to botom would be quite hard, i think your idea would be just about perfect.
Something I found ironic was all the preppers getting ready for the Apocalypse.. Yet when we get hit by a pandemic and have to go into lockdown they were the worst at handling it.. 😁
When a house was demolished for a new condo complex, they found a fallout bunker set into a hill. It had reinforced concrete walls up to a meter thick in places. It's been there for 60 years.
I think it’s a possibility and could gain traction. If they did it right from the beginning. Structure the whole town with all the modern engineering. Sale the shop space and business space to run everything. The transportation elevators . The biggest part is the connections between towns near by. The building on top could be a dome open air park. And it could also have a dock space for supplies and shipping to the underground city. You could connect it to other towns with a high speed rail system.
Our species has relied on large swaths of land to grow agriculture, or animals who cover large swaths of land eating vegetation we can't digest to sustain ourselves. A community living in a hole will eventually starve to death.
love buildings like the Robarts Library and that style. I live in Albany, and honestly the state buildings are GRAND! We have this thing called The Egg and that's in a plaza with imposing skyscrapers around giving it a very futuristic look. LOVE IT! I love nature too, but in Urban areas buildings like these look awesome.
Hi DamiLee! I love your channel and your high quality videos you and your team surely put a lot of work on your videos. If you want to you could make a video about the Carandiru prison. It was the biggest prison in the world for some time and it was so complex that it was almost like a city, there are many stories about inmates and life in jail. It is a very interesting topic to make a video on!
Switzerland is the least likely to be attacked of any country, yet they have more bunkers per citizen than any country. And we are the most likely to be attacked of any country ....yet we have the least amount of bunkers per person of any country in the world. Should tell you how our govt. feels about us.
the three books are there for the taking now. The TV show only deals with the first book. I'd read the books before the show but I also re-read the book after the show too and it took on a whole never detail level as now actresses and the voices, a lot of the set design. It was all there in my head as I read the words. Great trilogy and the author has some other good stuff too if sci-fi if your thing.
I think maybe UA-cam is preparing me for ww3 😂 - just watched the reality of life in a fallout shelter by another channel then got recommended this video. I'm now off to bulk buy toilet roll and beans.
At 4:20 it’s b/c we’ve seen big corporations talk & show that we’ll never own anything & just rent & be happy about it. Retirement is going to be gone completely so it feels pointless to try & save money backed by nothing.
Hey, Demi, great video that expands the mind. Noticed an error: the chart for "Global Bunker Demand Set to Grow..." at 4:10 refers to Bunker Fuel, NOT fallout Bunkers. Likewise for the Chart "Marine Bunkers Product Demand 2015-2023" at 4:12 . Been enjoying your videos, keep them coming. cheers
wow this is one of the few times on youtube that i have heard anyone make cogent arguments so we could understand something, especially something as important like architecture that we take for granted. Not only illustrating there points graphically but talking about its implications for the future and our society. Dami do you have your Phd in Architecture? It does sound kind of like a Phd thesis..
There has been a calculation error on my part!!! Climbing 1.6 km of stairs would only take a few days (max) to climb, NOT months... Sorry for the mistake and thank you for the correction!!! (Also, I’m a slow walker 😆). Also, go watch Silo! It is a great sci-fi show with an amazing set design. You should definitely check it out!
But taking months is not inconceivable. Have you ever tried dragging kids around a city?
1:33 Yeah i have half of the floor 12 unit with a friend of mine having the other half its made for 75 people but they don't expect more than 30 to be able to make it to the bunker from where they are primary blast zones n all
Thank you Professor Vocal Fry!
days...? no, just no. people have climbed MT Everest in a day. 8.9km up without oxygen. and you would think they have some kind of lifts right? have not seen the show
Think you still might be off. 1.6km would take a few hours (max).
There was a TV sci-fi series "Cleopatra 2525" that aired around 2000-2001 in N. America. Much of the action took place in very deep underground habitats/shafts with hundreds of levels. They would travel down levels by jumping into the open shafts and freefall, with some kind of wearable tech to slow down at their destination; though they didn't show them going up very often. They could sometimes go to the surface, but it was controlled by hostile aliens. The show was campy but fun in the best way.
I loved that show!
Guy, I've been looking for the name of this show for many years now. Thanks a lot!
So fun!!! 😂
Not hostile aliens, advanced robots that were human made....if i remember correctly
@@wasper17 They were created by Creegan as a way to save the Earth, and they were called Baileys.
I remember reading the excellent book "Raven Rock" by Garrett Graff about the US government's post-apocalyptic survival plans, and what always stuck with me was the response of the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court when he was offered a chance to ride out a hypothetical nuclear war with the rest of the government. After being told what this would actually entail, he refused, and basically said that he would rather die in a nuclear war than have to live underground with nothing but the Joint Chiefs of Staff for company. Strong Dr. Strangelove vibes to the whole concept. We Must Not Allow A Mineshaft Gap.
gotta resolve that mineshaft gap, and the fluoridation issues
Graff did a great interview with Terry Gross on NPR. Lots of good back story stuff.
So that's where Fallout base of the same name came from?
You ALL Missed the point. Jeez(Pun)
@@e21big I think so, yeah! Although the in-game design is pretty different from the actual Raven Rock (I think...been awhile since I played Fallout 3).
Robarts Library holds a special place in my heart-so much nostalgia. I vividly recall gazing up at its grand and unique brutalist design, with its sharp angles slicing through the sky. Once inside, the immense scale of its spaces immediately engulfs you, making you feel incredibly small in comparison. The library's imposing aesthetic is truly unforgettable.
It's a gorgeous building the glass addition looks dumb. I can't believe they would attempt to demolish it. Shameful
The charts used at approximately the 4:12 mark, when the talk is about growing demand for bunkers, isn’t about that at all. They are about growing demand in bunker fuel - heavy fuel oil used in cargo ships, etc - not bunkers as in shelters. That’s a surprising misstep.
I noticed that too, I guess the headline was a result of a search for ‘bunker demand’
Someone on her team messed up. Should have had a quality check beforehand.
11:58 "the journey between floors should take days and from top to bottom it should take months". 144 floors 15 meters apart are just a bit more than 2 km. That's a rather small mountain to climb. The rule of thumb for hikers is that 100 m of elevation take 15 minutes, so that would be less than 6 hours from bottom to top. Probably 8 including rests. (Sorry for nitpicking)
Yeah, that was a crazy statement.
I was at a meeting/retreat once at an Appalachian campground. There was a hill that was probably a bit less than 1 km high. I ran up it, off the trail, because I could. It really wasn't that challenging.
Where did she get the math? And she’s supposedly educated?
Yeah the math in the video is quite a bit off. But in the context of the show I think it would probably not be as fast as 6-8 hours. There was only one central stairwell, it is bound to always be crowded, and some section might be closed off during certain hours for maintenance or security reasons, etc. So 2-3 days average for a journey from top to bottom would be more likely. More athletic people might make it in 1 day, but most would take more time.
I think you are missing the fact that they are not climbing in a straight line, but in an shallow spiral, they have to cover a lot more ground for the same distance. a month to climb is ways off though. I'm pretty sure in the show they show it takes around a day for old people in a slow pace with rest periods, and maybe less than half a day for experienced couriers.
I've always thought that if you were to make a very large communal bunker, one key aspect would be to have several large, central areas that mimic external areas. Say for example, having a pedestrian city street and town square, with facilities and homes with windows looking out on it to give the illusion of an exterior space. Even if the bunker is large, if you could hop onto a bike and pedal your way across it, that would be beneficial for the occupants.
Like in the movie City of Ember (2008)
@@ciano5475 Even there a little dark, but yeah, my very thought.
this comment reminds me of the dread i felt looking at the "how good are we" pictures of a bunch of toolshed sized buildings on a huge (bleak) cement pad on housing the homeless. omg, a few patches of green wouldn't hurt. there's lots of low maintenance (edible) plants you could plant instead of having all that cement
@@vulcanfeline Things like that are truly miserable. At least put a communal garden in the center or something.
@@robertgronewold3326 in the books though it was much darker then the movies, pretty much you couldn't see your hand if you placed it inf front of you but ya the larger the structure, the more maintenance is required.
even though the building we have is led at the place i work at we have to change them every few years, the maintenance workers usually have to replace 1-6 lights a day. pipes depending on location and what not can last years or few years
More studies have shown that instead of people going feral in times of catastrophe, they organize for the collective good, so maybe we need more media and stories about that, to get rid of this idea 'you're on your own' the problem with a bunker of course is, what do you do when/if you get out? In the movie Threads, a town committee goes down into their bunker, and the town hall above collapses on it, so they all suffocate inside, unable to help the community they were supposed to be protecting.
They do both, but as a rule the ones who go feral and individual don't last long, while the collectivists quickly form new power bases that can control territory, either integrating or displacing the individualists as they 'reclaim' territory lost in whatever disaster befell their society.
So survivorship bias tends to heavily favor the collectivists - unsurprising for a social species.
Individualism isn't a survival adaptation - human individualists classically have lousy lifespans - its an exploratory adaptation, they are the leading edge of the expansion of civilization, not the leftovers from disasters. A truly monumental disaster that quickly killed over 99% of the population might see individualists as some of the few survivors, but even the worst nuclear war scenarios aren't nearly that bad - and any scenario that IS that bad would very likely see the remaining 1% die out in a few years no matter what they did.
Culture has something to do with it. Look at the contrast of the natural disasters of hurricane Katrina in 2005 and earthquake and tsunami in Japan in 2011 after the first few days.
@@thewb8329how much of that is media and social biases.
didn't it happen that arround the time Lord of the Flies came out a bunch of kids got into a similar situation & they did basically the opposite of the movie & cooperated?
"Station Eleven' shows a post apocolyptic world that is less "survival of the fittest" and more about the importance of community, art, and human connection. "The Last of Us" is somewhat of a mix of this.
Thanks so much for creating and sharing this informative video. Great job. Keep it up. I love how you talk with your hands, reaching out to us, trying to pull us in!
IRL if you were to make the "Silo" you would wrap a staircase around the elevator shaft and to control where people go just have security gates on the access points to the sensitive floors themselves. Limiting the flow of people limits the efficiency of the mega building. You want all of the farms together, since then you only have to build their systems ONCE and all the maintenance for that system would be in one area allowing part storage to also be on the same floors. Since people could use the elevator that means management of the farms, technicians and farm hands don't have to live in the same nearby location and if they don't can come to the farms at any time and not with a week of walking between visits.
gotta say, the earth scraper that was shown that was a kind of reverse pyramid approach was cool imo. We always think about building higher and higher, but having visible access to light all the way to the bottom of the underground structure seems like a solid option to not feel berried and also have a mega structure.
Yeah CDMX is leading the way there
There's an old Polish sci-fi from 1984 called Seksmisja about two men woken from cryo sleep to find themselves in an all-women society living in an underground bunker. The way information was collected and controlled in the story made it a metaphor for living under Russian oppression. Pretty interesting looking back at it now.
It was aired on the Ukrainian TV occasionally. Loved it, so quirky, but also kinda thought provoking.
I find it completely mysterious why anyone would think that humans would want to live with architecture that sets out to be “brutal”. A case of theory running away with itself and forgetting the practicalities of life
i saw that movie long time ago, maybe in late 2000s, and that Silo series was pretty much adapted from the same. it was such a fun movie to be honest, and nice dystopian ideas. Silo was super serious and strict upon their ideologies, still phenomenal acting from the casts.
Thanks for the tip, I'll add it to my list
@@firestorm165 beware, its an adult movie lol
going back to tsutomu nihei, the silo reminds me of his manga Knights of Sidonia where the remnants of humanity live in a spacefaring "seed ship" called the Sidonia. it's structured exactly like the silo but is 28km long, with residential housing attached onto the outside of the central shaft ( what was the barrel of a massive ship-long cannon ), a sea populated with fish, a beach suspended from the ground, along with commercial, residential, and manufacturing districts located along and inside the outer wall. even some parts have districts with japanese style houses and religious shrines, its very cool
And also a society living under a lie, controlled with their fates not initially in their hands
It's a great series
I was just thinking about that manga as well, and how it could be an interesting structure for her to consider looking at since it's in a very similar vein. Albeit, it's a space faring 'bunker' instead, with the need to consider additional aspects required for space travel. But still would be an interesting addition to these sorts of structures.
@@chromesucks5299 The information environment in that one is interesting, because the leadership is clearly lying to the population about a lot - but the Gauna are still quite real and exceedingly deadly.
Muse made a sci-fi music video called Knights of Cydonia, but from what you've described, I'm having a hard time seeing it being inspired by the manga.
I recently found out about your channel through YT recommendations and though I have nothing to do with architecture in my professional work(software and quant stuff) I'm hooked. Great videos and the research that goes behind them.
When I was in London this summer I took a random stroll and found myself at Barbican Centre. I had no idea about it before stumbling upon it. I was in quite a bit of awe on how beautiful it was. There were a few areas inaccessible to the public, but I got to see quite a bit of it. The mix of nature and concrete seemed pretty cool to me.
Just noticed, the channels got over 1.5 million subs now! Congratulations!
Regrettably, minus one. I am unsubscribing. Disappointed in the direction the channel has gone.😂
@@WebVidsucks to suck, I love it here!
@@WebVidIf I may ask, is it because its more "fantasy/future/dystopian" themed, or for other reasons
@@V77710 I think it may be because Dami's "most annoying voice on earth" narration
@@V77710 Yes. I find the whole fantasy/future/dystopian angle very uninspiring (depressing actually). I believe we live in a time where we desperately need inspiration. With Demi‘s gifts, she’s in a strong position to offer inspiration; to get people tapping into their own creativity and problem-solving skills.
Zion is my favourite version of this style of bunker. I particularly liked the fact they had access to a cave to at least feel connected physically to an environment outside of the manufactured. It's a connection to something natural, not nature itself as would have existed on the surface, but something not created by man or machine.
No thank you! 😁 I live in the countryside in Germany, lots of trees, lots of nature and, more importantly, its getting really dark during nighttime, so dark that i can actually see the milky-way galaxy and lots and lots of stars. I wouldn't change it for all the riches in the world!
i envy you
This is about surviving after a nuclear war. The assumption is that after such a war there won't be much left of your country side, trees or nature. Personally, I don't think I'd want to be around anymore if that happened.
BTW, Germany is one of the most light polluted countries in the world. If you want to see the Milky Way in fantastic clarity you need to travel to northern Denmark, Norway, Sweden or Finland. Scotland is supposed to also be good. Or southern Peloponnese, (best weather there).
@@mikethespike7579 West coast of Ireland is the best place i've been for no light pollution. A moonless night sky is incredible.
@@Alex-fy7sc I do as well prefer to be part of the grateful and lucky dead, no pun intended 😁, than trying to survive a post apocalyptic nuclear waste land.
I can assure you, where I live its pretty dark..
@@5t4n5 I can imagine. It's important that there are no big urban centres for at least 100 kilometres. The further away the better. Villages don't count so much because they have hardly any street lamps.
Downloaded the Straight Arrow News app, and I'm already loving it!
I’m new to the channel and I’m hooked on these videos. Great stuff
Remember the supply chain issues during the pandemic? I don't understand personal bunkers. Our species has relied on collective cooperation as a bare minimum.
Its just a grift capitalizing on the deluded.
Well maybe we can hire some Palestinians to connect the silos with tunnels. lol. But I agree with you. I don’t believe we’re going to need to hunker down with our family in a hole in the ground. I think the homestead route is the most likely option. But what I see most people missing with their self sufficient property is a community to depend on. Like if I had the means I’d want a homestead for me my family, extended family and friends. Like a solid 10-15 family units. Try to get a doctor, dentist, engineer, electrician, carpenter, HVAC technician, radio and computer guy. Then make sure they’re married with children and conservative values as far as the family. Then I wouldn’t want like ex navy seals or war veterans. I’d want hunters and outdoorsmen to use as defense. I feel like if things get though they’ll be less likely to kill us off to save their family. Then farmer’s and the stereotypical Native American type person who knows plants and their medicinal properties. Cause it’s not like you’re going to be getting bottles of Tylenol and antibiotics. But yeah you’re gonna need a lot of diversity of skills if you plan on actually sustaining and rebuilding society. Even then it would be good to have a pact with a few other groups that you trade with on occasion. You aren’t going to make it with just your family. Even if you have 500 years of mres. You’ll inbreed to death. Or a group of desperate people will overrun you. Those missile silos might be able to survive a nuclear blast. But can they survive a siege of 100 men with power tools tungsten carbide blades and all the time in the world? No. It can’t.
@@forfun6273can those 10 family’s turn back that 100 men as well
Surely depends on the makeup of said family’s and then nothing survives the onslaught of time
Is it all moot?
A full nuclear exchange actually doesn't kill as many people as you might think only a few hundred million. And heavily dependent on where you are.
It is the breakdown in society that will kill billions due to supply chains and breakdown of social order.
If you have a bunker that last you 1 year. You will come out into a calmer localized agricultural society. Then you can find your place in a group
What supply chain issues? That you couldnt buy toilet paper for a week? What are you talking about
So… what Vault number is this?
420
A nicer life, underground! @@0ok43
Vault 12
vault 15, where everything starts
Was thinking the same thing 😅
I always enjoy your videos for their in-depth research, the unique topics you discuss, and the astonishing visuals. But that transition from Mars to Voyager to the Silo - bravo, that was something out of this world.Thanks to everyone who took part in creating this (and all the other) videos!
Love how much research and effort you put into each video
9:41 Can we collectively agree to never do these huge windows in libraries? I love skylights in a library, but these glass walls are distracting.
I collectively disagree.
There are parallels to living in a space settlement like an O'Neil cylinder: inhospitable outside, self-sustaining environment, limited resources.
I'd love to have more of those involved in media. I was so happy to finally see one on the big screen when watching Interstellar.
Mobile Suit Gundam has a bunch of them. Babylon 5 is a miniature O'Neill.
All fun and games until you end up riding the Colony Drop.
0:03 It’s not just a show, it’s also a three-part book series. It’s really good with its descriptions and I’ll just say that the show looks nothing like it.
it's apple TV and, like many other people, htey think that their revised version is better than any original; it rarely work that way though.
i read a book called Wool and it takes place in a silo like this, maintenance in the very bottom, all admin up top, the low skill workers spend all day transporting products and message by stair.
the worst punishment is getting sent outside in a suit that will fail and let radiation in, nost people are given wool rags to optionally clean windows so the people inside can see outside.
This is from the TV adaptation of that series.
What impressed me about the Wool books was the way the reader thinks he understands but is proved wrong. The people in the silo certainly think the Earth is a radioactive wasteland, but is that true?
Silo is based on Wool.
Read the rest of the series. It isn’t what you think.
@@ngm132 worth reading the whole series
Thank you. I enjoyed your artwork on top of everything else. Those drawings were really good.
Your videos are amazing. A cool video suggestion along the lines of your Kowloon City video could be and examination of the design of Parc Extension as compared to Town de Mont-Royal in Montreal. I've read stories about the lore and how the division started when the two areas were incorporated. TMR residents locking the gates on Halloween, the fence, the shrubs and the invisible barriers that they form in the psych of each side of rue Acadie, which feeds to/from highway traffic.
While one might feel some security in having a bunker, the bigger question is "would you want to live in the post apocolypse?" Surviving an event and living for a few days, weeks or even a year in a bunker in whatever level of comfort you can afford is fine. But you're either going to die in there, making it a tomb, or you, or your descendants, are going to have to come out at some point and try to exist in the world with whatever and whomever else is there. I guess that's just the human drive to survive. The stories in the City of Ember series take on similar issues.
You'd not need to stay in a bunker forever, just a couple months, maybe a year max. After that it's just a home like any other.
@@attckDog depends on the scenario, the real risk with Nuclear war is the effect it'll have on environmental sustainability (nuclear winter) due to serious climate change and to a lesser extent, radioactive fallout.
Actually rebuilding a civilization where starvation is the biggest risk factor is problematic.
@@V3RTIGO222 radioactive fallout iirc becomes lessened down to background radiation in like a couple weeks. The worst of it being in I think was in just the first few hours. The biggest issue would be supply chains being completely in pieces, whether for food growth/distribution or healthcare and so on.
@@Vaeldarg That's what I said... the nuclear winter would cause serious subsistence issues, fallout would exist and would be damaging but generally more limited in scope. We could still have dust storms with radioactie particles from some nuclear weapons and the like, but generally most that exist are designed to have minimal radioactive permanence for a reason.
In City of Embers, the government leader in order to keep political power over the residents misinforms the residents telling them the outside world is dangerously radioactive when it is not so the residents will stay in the underground bunkers and keep the socio economic of the underground bunker infrastructure and his job as leader going.
Actually Fallout too depicted the same subject about underground bunkers. I loved the entire video🧡 especially the Robarts Library chapter, it brings interesting details and facts. Great explanation, thank you🧡
Of course, in Fallout all the shelters are also explicitly a variety of specific social experiments - mostly of the extremely unpleasant sort.
@@Jesse_359 Not all of them, just most. There are a few controls.
3, 8, 13 and 76 were control vaults according to the wiki.
I'm not a Brutalist, but Robart's Library doesn't seem all that bad. Given all the copy paste between victorian houses, 80s era architecture and worst of all shitty shoebox condos we are finding sprouting up in Toronto, Robart's Library seems like something diverse/unique to rather bland Toronto architecture scene.
Sure, won't negate your experience as a student and on the campus it might be an eyesore. But, as a whole when it comes to the whole city, I think it's a welcome edition from a bygone era.
Slap artdeco sculpture and details on the outside and it becomes beautiful
I've always kinda love Brutalist buildings and design. Not an architect or an engineer, but there's something about the starkness and severe lines that give me this futuristic vibe that I like. I also like rainy days and hiding in my house, so... I may be a bit odd.
I've never been there, but the building looks beautiful to me.
@@KIVagant Same here. Maybe its different if you are actually standing in front of the building, but the images she showed were beautiful.
@@peterholzer4481 Look at it from Google satellite view. It's a triangle and looks so awesome.
2:15 The systems were built with plans for the future; they can be retrofitted to intake outside air in Silo, you will see in S02 as we Shift perspectives to multiple silos
I absolutely love your videos. They are so well done and you have done such great research and are amazing and relaying the information in such a digestible way. I also love how you tackle concepts from sci-fi and fiction and explain real world analogs or inspiration.
I had considered a career in architecture when I was younger, and studied many architects and styles, and still love architecture to this day, but I ended up going down a different artistic path, though I often find inspiration is architecture still.
Keep up the great work. Your videos are always inspiring to me. Truly.
Edit: I forgot to add that there is a great series that was on the History channel called "Life After People" that explores the what would happen to the world if humanity were to suddenly die off.
I think we need to ask ourselves the question; Do we want to be a part of the solution, or a part of the problem? If we spend the resources, either individually or collectively, on solutions, we won’t need to worry so much about the problems.………..I’m so delusional.
I think the concept of prepping is disempowering. A billionaire creates a bunker with tip money by signing a check. A prepper takes all the time and resources he could use to protest, donate to political campaigns, write articles, go make speeches, organize and puts it into dried potato powder.
The problem is humanity. Our ability to harness and develop technology has removed us from the normal control mechanisms of the natural world. As a result we procreate uncontrollably, destroy parts of the natural world in the rush to gather resources to feed the ever expanding needs of our culture and the species; all without responsibility. Nature will correct our activities as the CoVid-19 pandemic has just demonstrated. The question is are we sufficiently advanced to use our technology to build a human biome that separates ourselves from the world, integrate controls to limit the demand on space, resources and energy availability and alter our cultures to encapsulate survival traits that promote sustainability, enlightened co-operation and the abandonment of authoritarianism, selfish ambition and the delusion that a small group of people can make the world better. If we as a species can do this then the universe is ours, we could live in orbital habitats, on the surfaces of alien worlds or live between the stars as a truly independent race. Living in bunkers is another sign of how petty minded we have become.
realistically you can forget about large-scale self-sustainable silos anyway. Most ways to make electricity takes a shit-load of water so it's not doable if you don't have access to an underground river or lake.
It's such an obvious dead-end too, that we can't stop ourselves from rendering an entire lush green planet uninhabitable, but we'll be able to maintain our existence in extremely precarious tubes. It's like a person is taking the GED, and if they fail, their plan is to take the GMAT instead.
what is the solution for Stupidly?
There is this Japanese anime Pale Cocoon (2006) directed by Yasuhiro Yoshiura. I love his overall work as they all connect together. To get to the point, for this particular work, this anime is starts of with two data researcher piecing together photos of green pastures, leaving the suspense of what is exactly going on. They're working alone in a silo style hole on some level, they talk about how everyone else has move to lower levels deeper in the structure. The boy gets frustrated and starts climbing up the structure. His friend joins him; curious what is above, when everyone has gone deeper, given up on the research of what's on the surface. When they get to surface. SPOILER: They're on the moon inside a dome with a view of Earth!
that actually sounds great. should probably put the spoiler warning right before the spoiler though. i was so invested i couldnt stop. lmao
Depth will make the ambient temperature 84 F Degrees at the bottom, there will be no cold running water. Temperature rises by about 1F every 330 feet you go underground, starting at about 60F.
About the maximum depth you can have habitation is around 2/3 of a mile.
They already have this with a massive Natural feature under the Denver Airport and it runs all the way to Colorado Springs and in CO Springs they litterally have a military base in a mountain openly "cheyenne mountain"
I didn't read the book but in the TV show. It was implied that if you were going from one of the Upper levels, all the way down to engineering. It would take a day or more. They did in fact have hotels and hostels for travelers to stay at. Especially going back up.
Reading the entire series makes the show more understandable:
Wool
Shift
Dust
The show is essentially based on the first book, wool.
It will be interesting to see if the series will continue through shift and dust story lines.
I really hope it does. Loved the books and we enjoyed the show quite a bit as well.
I started reading Dust but as I hadn't read the other two couldn't get into it. Cool concept though.
Soon, there is going to be the rapture. It's when there will be trumpet sounds, and after the trumpet sounds, God will lift his people from here. Also, God said people should be living by the Bible. Amen, and God bless you.
* John 3:16 - "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish but have eternal life".
@@JaneNewAuthoryou can’t just start with the 3rd book in a trilogy like that?
@@Helios_1ne in this case, no.
10:00 There’s a series called “Life After People” iirc that covers exactly this sort of thing across myriad domains (e.g. tall buildings, zoos, power plants, etc.).
I'm really surprised you've never made a video about the game Control (if you have, sorry, I couldn't find it). The architecture in The Oldest House is INCREDIBLE. The screenshots I got from that game are stunning. The lighting, shadows, the geometry in the design aesthetic. The way the building has a mind of its own and shifts rooms. That game blew my mind, especially the Ashtray Maze. I hope you see this, because if you haven't seen Control, I think you'd be fascinated by the game.
Really great and fun video! I especially enjoyed the art and how involved it was... quite the effort for a video! This deserves more YT algo attention!
Maybe, as you intuit, the Roberts Library structure can be extended into becoming a vertical garden. Properly established it could remaining flowering through the warm season and green throughout the winter months. At the very least it would be a great research project for the school's botannical department, if they have one.
They just used the Thomas Fisher Rare Books Library next to Robarts as the setting for an alien archive in Star Trek Discovery. I find something both unsettling and comforting about Brutalist architecture. The bleakness and coldness of the forms and the implication of a governing entity which can mobilize vast resources to impose such structures on the world is very unsettling. That being said, there is a sense of order and familiarity to institutional settings. There is the sense that there are rules and that they are knowable which is some comfort compared to the uncertainty of the natural world. I get both of those feelings from shows like Silo and Loki where they use Brutalist architecture to great effect.
Right? I've noticed every McDonald's I see is now a dull gray box, the only color is the logo. No longer red roofs and colorful kids' play areas in the front. So freaking bleak, I just don't get why they went that direction.
Good brutalist design makes you feel like you are working with nature, like being part of a granite mountain, maybe.
brutalism is hit or (usually) miss
but I love well-executed brutalist architecture
and for cases where it doesn't work out on its own, it pairs really well with street art
Brutalist architecture is simply just a crime against humanity.
Yes! We should definitely live underground! I always wanted to. You can plant flowers and farm on the surface and live below. Light is not a problem. It would lead to less consumption if you don't have to heat or cool down your homes. Just have to dig a little...
The casual, “light is not a problem” with no follow-up. Lol
@@cj719521 you can go solar and you can lead light from surface...or no? I am not saying never go on surface, be underground just for housing purpose
@11:50 Why would travel between floors, or top to bottom, take days or months? It's only 1 mile deep. I haven't read the book, but even if the spiral staircase is ~10 miles long that'd still only take like 4 hours.
Have you tried to scale a steep mountain without stopping?
I once visited a pumping power plant. There was a larger room with equipment buried hundreds of meters under a hill with a tunnel going into it and in this room there were windows +- 10 meters up. They were not real windows of course but they were high up and frosted so it was basically impossible to tell that it's not a real sunlight. It was a surreal experience on my senses.
I can never get over this beautiful mesh of architecture, thoughts on the future, and films!! Love what you do Dami!!🫶🏽
I'm sorry for a stupid question, but why does it take days to travel between floors? its only 50 ft of vertical, what am I not understanding?
Came here to ask this too. Makes no sense. Do love her videos though.
right? i dont see why it would take days.(50 ft=15.24 m)
a stair is usually abaut 12 to 18 cm high,
lets take the lower one in this case, so since the floors are around 15m high that would be
15.24/0.12=127 steps
that is doable in like 10-20 minutes i would say
10:00 Eco-brutalism is a such a cool aesthetic. It emits a weirdly familiar, ancient, and lonely vibe that's so cool.
I never heard about that Library before and I get the feeling that people don't wanna live in a concrete bunker but in the pictures alone this looks awe inspiring. I could imagine a few hundred years after civilization collapsed the people standing before this structure telling stories how this was built by giants or gods
At 1 mile deep the temperature would be about 150 F.
You are not far away from using the temperature gradient as an energy source.
Go down another mile and it is hot enough to boil water.
You can run a steam generator or sterling engine for electrical power.
At the Tautona and Mponeng gold mines in South Africa the rock face has a temperature of 140 F.
Dang, that was a really interesting one! I love how you guys take these existing concepts and discuss them in engaging and relevant ways.
I read the first two books, and I never pictured the center atrium. I always just imagined an enclosed staircase with a central drop down the middle.
I think within 76 hours those filters would be block by the people that were left above ground, if not to spite the rich but to smoke them out. Unless the locations are secret.
The vents are usually hidden/disguised for that reason. Larger shelters will have oxygen generators.
yeah, part of prepping a bunker is hiding it from surface view as best you can, Remote locations go a long way.
Who have enough resource to do that kind of things when people fighting each other for a bottle of water probably stay in their own bunker
@@donnguyen3795 Given the amount of resources available in such a large structure, anyone stuck on the surface would likely see it as their only chance, so the people inside would either have to allow them in, or eventually expect to be attacked - and the most straightforward way attack any closed bunker is to choke off it's oxygen supply, which is usually a simple affair. At that point they MUST come out to deal with you and risk direct conflict.
@@downrangefuture6493 Unless you have a force that can sally out to drive off determined attackers, camouflage and internal generators only buy you time - and for a structure of this size, there is no way you're going to realistically hide those air vents. They'd need to be huge and/or very numerous - substantially larger than ones you'd expect for a major urban vehicular tunnel, and those are quite large already. They would likely have to be actual towers to function properly as well.
climbing an endless staircase reminds me of the manga: blame! where you don't really know if you're underground or not. not that any sci-fi using brutalist architecture wouldn't do the same. that one is a masterpiece. now i have to check silo too :)
DamiLee actually talks about Blame! in her video Architect reacts to 5 famous Sci-Fi movies.
Dami did an episode on Blame too (or it was mentioned in one episode, I don't remember)
The architecture of Blame! is a great blend of awe-inspiring and terrifying - which of course is the point - while the generation ship in Knights of Sidonea appears to share a fair number of concepts with Silo, which is appropriate given that it is in effect a survival bunker for humanity in space. Given that Tsutomu Nihei studied architecture before becoming an manga-ka it's not surprising that it always features prominently in his work.
I suggest checking out Girls' Last Tour (Shoujo Shuumatsu Ryokou), it's an anime and manga series about a dystopian post-apocalypse where humanity replaced nearly the entire Earth ecosystem with machinery, and then went all but extinct. The ruined brutalist megastructures that have been subsequently been coated with post-apocalyptic additions by the less advanced civilization that rose from the ruins and then also died out are really something to behold.
It's also an atypical example of post-apocalyptica, in that the threat of violence and conflict is almost nonexistent. The human population left on the planet at the point of the story is counted at most in hundreds, more likely just dozens, so those prone of solving their problems with violence have pretty much died out already, and just the chance of running into another human being is something to be celebrated, not feared.
@@manuelka15 i think there was one, i tried to find it but no luck :/
THIS IS TOO SHORT! I NEED MOREEEEE! Thank you for teaching me, I have learned a lot from your videos already
I enjoyed the series. I'm really glad you had a chance to analyze the structures.
I feel like individual bunkers will never last as small groups are not what people in our society are used to. A communal bunker for a town or city were there is enough room for all to stay fits our society better. In a way this giant bunker does that to an extent, obviously with major flaws present in their hugely unused space. I question their concepts of air flow, a bunker that huge would need its own ecosystem for every floor.
11:43 why would it take any more than a few minutes to climb 4 floors worth of stairs?
I came here hoping to find an answer to that. I don't understand why it would take "days" to go up fifty feet of stairs.
50 feet per floor is equal to 5 flights of stairs , silo is supposed to be 144 floors at that scale its equivalent to a 720 floor building that's a lot of stairs to do in a day
@@mattwayne4800 thanks for the reply, but she said it would take a day to go up one floor. Which doesn't add up. I thought maybe it was something from the book.
I was wondering the same thing. Indeed it would take a long time to climb the length of the silo so she's right about separating communities and restricting the flow of information but to go 4 floors / 50 feet wouldn't take long multi-storey apartment blocks are taller than that!
I can well imagine different communities residing in sections of a few floors though as people tend to stick together in smaller communities / tribes.
Irl there would be some mass transit / lift system in place- even if its use was restricted to authorised personnel otherwise policing, governance, technical and emergency services would be a nightmare.
And how would it take months to transverse about a mile's worth of stairs? I would estimate that it would take roughly 400 minutes to go up a mile worth of stairs non-stop, but maybe double considering multiple rest breaks. It would likely take roughly half of that to go down with very less need of rest.
I recommend adding a "Spoiler Warning" at the start of the video for the show Silo, since some of the clips shown were used as end-of-season reveals.
Lol, not even a 1/3 of the minute in and bam...., end of season 1 scene =))), ayyyyyy
I just discovered your channel a couple of days ago and subscribed. I thought I heard a fellow Canuck accent! Great channel. You cover many of my deep passions. I'm an illustrator and have a love of Architecture, SciFi, etc. 🖖😎🤘🇨🇦🕊️
Genius work of yours and your team, keep up. Thanks.
Dami, I'm curious what you feel it would take to construct a modern brutalist structure that avoids causing negative reactions in passers-by. Would you use more exotic geometries?, a mixture of other materials?, or is some fundamental aspect of brutalism so problematic that ditching brutalism is the only answer?
I always liked the idea of a Subterranean house. In my area we have fire and on the opposite side we have tornadoes.
The part of the house that's above ground would be living room, kitchen. Non-important rooms.
Below would be bedrooms and Storage. That way all the important stuff like valuables in your family are safe under the ground. Also since maybe only 10% of the structure is actually being destroyed. Rebuilding two rooms would be cheap in resources comparing to rebuilding an entire house.
These are not meant for surviving nuclear war. You only need to be able to survive underground for a week at the most. On average maybe 2 days.
Tornadoes and wildfires are the main natural dangers where I live too, flooding might be a danger too if we didn’t live high enough away from the river, but we are far enough from the river to not be in danger of flooding every year like the people who live right next to the river have to deal with every year so it isn’t a problem that effects us like it would if we were closer to the river. I also like the idea that you can have a much larger yard space if part of your yard is actually on top of portions of your underground house, I like the thought of having an extra big yard with some nice flowering shade trees like lilacs and room to barbecue and for the dogs to run and play together with lots of flowers and a vegetable garden.
@11:55
"the journey between floors should take days...."
Based on what? The distance is not miles an miles between floors, at least not as it is represented in the renderings.
What am i missing?
Even if the silo was nearly 1 mile in diameter and at say 4 revolutions per level you are still a few hours between levels IF you have to walk the outside of the silo. But if there is a staircase near the center core your transit time could be minutes per level.
In the book, porters do it in a day or less but most people don't have the stamina for hundreds of flights of stairs and typically journey just 20-40 levels in a whole day of travel.
I'm not even sure how architecture stuff came up in my feed but these are some very interesting videos. I love the one about the straight line city. Any chance you could do a video about underwater structures/living habitats/cities/buildings?
reminds me of a tv mini series "accension" which takes place on a starship traveling to a distant star that will take 100 earth years to reach....
No. I already feel as though I work in one with having no natural light in my employer’s office space.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Prepping, especially in terms of stocking up on food and other supplies, isn’t just for civilization ending events. It can help in situations most of us will experience. You lost your job? Stocked up food can save you quite a bit of money while looking for a new one. Scratch that. Any conceivable circumstances when you must save as much as possible is a good example of when it could come in useful.
The bunker wouldn’t bother me it’s dealing with people.
Its a paradox, because as introverted as we can get, we humans crave socialization one way or the other. We need stimulation, and just as some people may think being surrounded by concrete walls for 10 years is something they can live with, there's a reason solitary confinement is considered one of the worst forms of punishment. There's only so much you can do in a bunker, no other humans means no new influx of information/entertainment that starts turning into its own brand of hellish isolation.
I feel like the workers in the bunker would eventually lose their shit (justifiably) and rebel against these paranoid rich bunker denisens.
@@h3rpad3rpacifilis Yep, as anti-social as I am every now and then its nice to talk to someone. And solitary confinement for us social creatures is basically psychological torture, those studies on it show that it really fucks up your mind, it's scary.
@@h3rpad3rpacifilis solitary confinement isn’t as straightforward as the name implies, the prisoner is usually disturbed at irregular intervals, so they are usually sleep deprived and there are usually less than sanitary conditions, as well as a multitude of other stressors in place to turn the prisoner’s life to a living hell, in isolation so long as the individual has something to do they can keep themselves sane indefinitely. Unless a person is already mentally unsound most would be fine.
@@VoidCael from what I understand, although the bunker silos that she mentioned were geared toward the wealthy people they would have been expected to perform their own duties, there is no space reserved for “servants”
I love your videos. Absolutely amazing and thought provoking. Thanks!
This is exactly what I was looking, analysis wise. Thank you.
a stair is from 0.12 to 0.18m tall
50ft is 15.24m
15.24/0.12=127
so betwen floors there is at most 127 stairs, that would not take several days ,at most it would take 20 minutes per floor
that is if you can barely walk
127 * 144 levels (Wikipedia ... ) = 18288 stairs total.
"Average" person roughly 600 stairs per hour (ChatGPT .... ) = ~30 hours / 8 hours per day = 3.75 days.
So, yeah, a month is a bit overcooked, but certainly more than 20 minutes.
One imagines that there'd be couriers, specialised in stair climbing (I can't remember from the book, been years since I read it) ... one also imagines they'd generally retire early to a sitting job, as their knees would be absolutely wrecked.
@@mitchellquinn a floor
Edited it to make it clearer
@@ll-cu3kb Ah! Understand now. 🙂 Still an interesting discussion; I was driving soon after commenting and thinking about block & tackle / pulley systems for moving cargo between floors. I don't think that's in the book or the series.
@@mitchellquinn i do think there would need to be something besides humans to move cargo, since moving things from top to botom would be quite hard, i think your idea would be just about perfect.
Something I found ironic was all the preppers getting ready for the Apocalypse.. Yet when we get hit by a pandemic and have to go into lockdown they were the worst at handling it.. 😁
When a house was demolished for a new condo complex, they found a fallout bunker set into a hill. It had reinforced concrete walls up to a meter thick in places. It's been there for 60 years.
Waw!!
Exciting and a real thought provoking video!!
Salaam to you and to all.
I think it’s a possibility and could gain traction. If they did it right from the beginning. Structure the whole town with all the modern engineering. Sale the shop space and business space to run everything. The transportation elevators . The biggest part is the connections between towns near by. The building on top could be a dome open air park. And it could also have a dock space for supplies and shipping to the underground city. You could connect it to other towns with a high speed rail system.
0:41 "Concrete manifestation" 🥁
Our species has relied on large swaths of land to grow agriculture, or animals who cover large swaths of land eating vegetation we can't digest to sustain ourselves. A community living in a hole will eventually starve to death.
"Can you stay inside for extended periods of time?"
All the shut-in gamer gremlins: "hi, hello, yes?"
I live near the Barbican in London and i LOVE hanging out there.🥰
love buildings like the Robarts Library and that style. I live in Albany, and honestly the state buildings are GRAND! We have this thing called The Egg and that's in a plaza with imposing skyscrapers around giving it a very futuristic look. LOVE IT! I love nature too, but in Urban areas buildings like these look awesome.
If I had that type of money I'll buy everybody in the whole world a bunker so we all can keep surviving
With that sort of money I'd fix the problems so bunkers aren't needed.
I m in switzerland curently… there is plenty of underground shelter in case of bomb
Things deteriorate, where are the materials for maintenance, etc, coming from? …..I’d rather die quickly on the surface than slowly underground!
Hi DamiLee!
I love your channel and your high quality videos you and your team surely put a lot of work on your videos.
If you want to you could make a video about the Carandiru prison.
It was the biggest prison in the world for some time and it was so complex that it was almost like a city, there are many stories about inmates and life in jail.
It is a very interesting topic to make a video on!
As someone who once lived around the corner of mayors office in boston. I hate looking at it so much. Idk what or who was thinking it was a good idea.
Switzerland is the least likely to be attacked of any country, yet they have more bunkers per citizen than any country. And we are the most likely to be attacked of any country ....yet we have the least amount of bunkers per person of any country in the world. Should tell you how our govt. feels about us.
There are a lot of claims in this comment that have flimsy anecdotal and subjective foundations at best.
I waiting for Silo season 2.
the three books are there for the taking now. The TV show only deals with the first book. I'd read the books before the show but I also re-read the book after the show too and it took on a whole never detail level as now actresses and the voices, a lot of the set design. It was all there in my head as I read the words. Great trilogy and the author has some other good stuff too if sci-fi if your thing.
@@ClayMann Spoiler
@@absiddique139 no spoilers on that comment
I think maybe UA-cam is preparing me for ww3 😂 - just watched the reality of life in a fallout shelter by another channel then got recommended this video. I'm now off to bulk buy toilet roll and beans.
At 4:20 it’s b/c we’ve seen big corporations talk & show that we’ll never own anything & just rent & be happy about it. Retirement is going to be gone completely so it feels pointless to try & save money backed by nothing.
I just binged the entire show thus far I’m so glad you made this video!
I didn't know about this show until this vid, but it convinced me to watch it and omg it's so amazingly good! Thank you Dami!
Hey, Demi, great video that expands the mind. Noticed an error: the chart for "Global Bunker Demand Set to Grow..." at 4:10 refers to Bunker Fuel, NOT fallout Bunkers. Likewise for the Chart "Marine Bunkers Product Demand 2015-2023" at 4:12 . Been enjoying your videos, keep them coming. cheers
wow this is one of the few times on youtube that i have heard anyone make cogent arguments so we could understand something, especially something as important like architecture that we take for granted. Not only illustrating there points graphically but talking about its implications for the future and our society. Dami do you have your Phd in Architecture? It does sound kind of like a Phd thesis..
I could listen to you all day 😊
Please consider adding dome homes or geodesic dome homes to future topics list. I'd love to hear your take on them.