H1MIN: APFSDS Shell
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- Опубліковано 23 чер 2017
- HISTORY IN A MINUTE: Some notes on what makes a modern armor piercing shell so powerful and how a discarding sabot works.
Please note: I have mispronounced SABOT it is pronounced SA-BOW. Thank you to viewers for pointing that out.
Further information on the topic:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armour-... - Наука та технологія
Pronounced "say-bo" because the T is silent. Like how the last C is silent in Leclerc
That is correct. My apologies to all those who have commented on this, thank you for the correction. I would update the audio track but You tube doesn't allow this, so I pinned the correction. For those who know French, Sabot the "T" is silent as well. Thank you.
In the UK we pronounce it “saboh.”
@Nightshade what? He probably lives in Britain if he said 'we'
@Nightshade Sorry, I think it does. What would make you think that he 'isn't one of them'
Just a stupid question, wich C in Leclerc is silent?
we really just went back to lobbing arrows at each other
High explosive super sonic arrows!
Not high explosive, as these are purely kinetic and contain no high explosive
Edit: a letter
Well arrows that fly with 5mach
Burn Stick arrows at Mach 5, made out of depleted uranium or tungsten xD
Well, we always lobbed arrows and rocks at each other
We just use the more advanced rock throwing techniques like having a gun or this do it for us
Arrow levels
1: stick
2: sharp stick
3: fin-stabilized sharp stick
4: iron-tipped fin-stabilized sharp stick
5: armor-piercing fin-stabilized Discarding-sabot sharp metal stick
Amazing
wwhy is it not added in fps game or medieval game =(
@@4ndrea.1rza IT'S A GODDAMN TANK ROUNDS
@@4ndrea.1rza Hmm, seems like you haven't yet found "War Thunder". My favorite RPG game, you play as a depressed tankman that gets constantly owned by kids using their parents credit cards, pretty depressing story, I recommend it.
@@takablepigon9686 L flight and tank WT, W ship WT
@@marienkijne I do like naval. Can't wait for carriers, or subs to make a comeback.
Pretty good explanation for a minute.
When u watch all the video and goes back to warthunder
Matthew Williamson better than you could do
Lmao, by a minute you mean like, only for this amount of times, I was about to write a hate reply but I realised :/
happy 1000th like
Military Engineers 700 years ago: "Let's make this hardened arrow head that can pierce armour!"
Military Engineers today: "Let's make a hardened arrow head that can pierce armour!"
makes sense to me.
History repeats itself
The essence of warfare really just comes down to throwing rocks at each other
@@Aph1deWar, war never changes.
Technology may change, but physics doesn't
Experts: APFSDS(armor piercing fin stabilized discarding sabot)
Soldier boii:
*L O N G R O D P E N E T R A T O R*
Bro they gonna say load the Ŕ~Ø~Đ
bruh you killed me with your reply. just beautiful.
Rule 34 has enter the chat
@@chesspiece7599 f*ck this sh*t, im out!
Place that long fast hard rod on that tank!
just wait till they make the ASDFFDASGFDFSASDF shell
Jake Nethery death is awaits those who got hit by it
would you care to unpack that word?
You missed the HE
Or is that another variant?
Man, I can't wait for the new asgdhajdhf shell
Looks like someone randomly typing his password without moving his left hand.
This is, quite possibly, the most deadly thumbtack that humanity has ever designed.
Sabat
on
@@BaronAW300 damit! I wanted to say that!
@@emmerad 😃
Black Sabbath.
@@kubbakubbynator2621 generals gathered in their masses!
When you put a thumbtack on the end of your nerf dart:
It's nerf or nothing, bitches!
That’s pure evil. Not that I don’t like it.
Wow calm down satan
Was it rusty?
I want answers, not likes
In the future: Apbfsdfshshdsh, antimatter tipped shell
@@IllidanSturmgrimmDeusVult my dude, uncool
Armour piercing ballistic fin stabilize discarding fluid squash head super heated direct satellite handled antimatter tipped shell ... Pretty sure thats in the works already
@@Vibakari APFSDS and squash head are contradictory with effects that would cancel out each other. Now a APFSDS-HEAT round, on the other hand...
very cool
Any gunner if he sees a MBT
LOAD ARMOR PIRCING FIN STABILIZED DISCARDING SABOT
or KE for short.
@@Jan_372 nope we say the term "fin"
@@tanksalot587 at least the Bundeswehr calls it KE
Or a simply word: Load Sabot.
That’s too much of a mouthful.
APFSDS: proof that, given enough size and speed, a bullet will solve any problem.
Seriously, if you think about it, APFSDS rounds are just rifle cartridges scaled up to the 120-millimeter range.
EDIT: I think some of you are misunderstanding my comment. The projectile is just a large bullet.
Actually its the other way around. Guns are scaled down canons.
Sabot rounds are not that common for rifles for obvious reasons.
@@EcchiRevenge Thats what smooth bore shotguns are for.
@@PugilistCactus ok boomer
@@EcchiRevenge hilarious and original
He really pronounced it sabat
on
Because it's a robot
People are not allowed to make mistakes lmao 😂?
Jay Kingsun he's a person, and he even responded to the criticisms about his pronunciation
Shovelheads are undeniably effective against tanks, so I don't see the problem.
The APFSDS round is also fired from the 120mm L30 rifled gun on the British Challenger 2 MBT.
Most of the MBT fire APFSDS on smoothbore barrels because the rifled could decrease the velocity.
But if need to fire at rifled, the APFSDS rounds had to fit a spinning ring to preserve the velocity for the projectiles.
We used to fire them from the Challenger 1 in the early 1990s.
@@dustybaboon
So you're former tank combatants, right?
Well, I still have some detail error but at least I tried to pronounce the meaning.
If you have experience, why not sharing it?
@@leekaijit36
I was a gunner in the Queen's Royal Irish Hussars in the early 1990s and we were a Challenger 1 regiment and we used to have APFSDS which we used to call fin and we had HESH rounds on our tanks.
@@dustybaboonI see...
Thanks for your information, sir.
These are too underrated!!!!!!
You deserve more subscribers, heres a plus 1
So much information in such a small amount of time. Yet i can process it quite easily. Thank you so much and props to you
I love that these videos are straight and to the point. No 20 minutes of fluff to get to 1 minute of actual info. Thanks for that.
These are so good that I wish your channel was called "Military History in 20 minutes".
This guy: Makes an incredibly compact yet direct explanation of the subject, even animates it to a great extent.
Idiots in the comments: duh it be saboh no sabat
Well yeah, there right though? No one is saying its bad there just correcting a mistake he made is all.
@@voin5371 Well if you are going to defend people correcting this guy...
They're*
Well stated, Sir Gabriel,
@@voin5371 It's not a mistake, it's pronounced "sabat"
@@benjaminpadilla1464 hate to break it to you, it's pronounced "say-bo"
You can look it up
Another countermeasure is seen on the Turret front of the Leopard 2 since the A5 model. Armor spaced away from the main armor at a distance longer than the Darts fired will induce tumbling of the dart after it has fully cleared the spaced armor. Makes it hit the main armor sideways completely neutralizing it in best case scenarios but reduces Armor penetration significantly in general.
The arrowhead damages the round before impact of the main armor. That’s why it’s effective. The space doesn’t need to be longer than the dart, it only needs to be angled. The wedges can be countered with a round strong enough to resist shearing forces.
You are doing such a great job sir!
Too bad there aren't more videos. Nice, short and informative
I love how putting explosives on the outside of your tank helps you
I used the explosives to destroy the explosives
simple and clear explanation. Thanks for the video !!!!!!!!!!
You deserve more subs man. Very vell made video
Thank you, much appreciated.
Such an underapreciated channel 💔
Thx for the useful info in such a short video
Thinking about it this is just the best we've gotten at throwing rocks at eachother.
So essentially tanks have evolved into a deadly game of darts, where a bullseye is killing your competitor with one round.
I refuse to believe that the naming process was not just someone who just mashed his keyboard and some other guy somehow managed to make an acronym out of it
SHORT and PRECISE video. A HUGE thank you for this. Intros and too much talk not coming to the point immediately is too wide spread on UA-cam. I hope many others will take inspiration in your style. LOVE IT!
“Say-bo” not “Sah-Bat” fam.
Say-bo is an American pronunciation
It’s the native pronunciation of a French word, but ok mate.
@@jaegergames7042 LOL French pronunciation is definitely not Say-bo. Its Sah-boh. Saybo is American pronunciation where theres a lot "ay" soundings.
HurBrowns ! Wooooosh.
The comment was about the pronunciation of the “at” at the end of Sabot, “Say/Sah” comes down to an accent or inflection, the correct pronunciation is still “Say/Sah-Bo.” The “H” isn’t pronounced by either French or English speaking people unless they’ve got an impediment or aren’t educated/know the word correctly.
And as someone who spent a lot of years not only learning French but living WITH French people, yeah, the “-ot” is isn’t pronounced either with a T or an H consonant sound.
I'm french and there is no "y" nor "h". As for the correct prononciation it's [sa.bo], with the french "a" [a] not the english "a" [ei]. We do not pronounce the final "t" either, because it follows a vowel.
French is complex I'll give you that
Imagine getting shot with one of these in the chest while you are chilling in your tank
Its a strange wait to die by a think that goes 5 time the speed of sound
It would literally just slice through you, like you were butter
On the bright side, the person might not feel it as they died before the nerves had the chance to send the signal to their brain.
The thing is, everyone here is wrong. Most armour piercing rounds are designed to cause shrapneling inside the tank. The actual rod usually isn't the thing doing the main damage, but the shrapnel that falls off the armour when the armour is penetrated. If you are in the way of all that glowing hot metal shrapnel, it'll probably have an impact of a huge shotgun blast.
designer: how many letters in your acronym do you want
APFSDS: yes
i though people just call them darts because they kinda look like darts, but they look exactly like a dart lol
I didn't realize these things were examples of telescoped ammunition in accepted use. Militaries have been experimenting with telescoped small arms ammo for a long time but haven't been able to get it good enough for adoption - I had thought the concept as a whole just had flaws that hadn't been worked out yet and didn't know the big boys with smooth bores have been using them for a long time.
It's not telescoped as the tip of the shell is still outside the casing
That looks like an incredible shell
well because it is, there is no armor on the planet that can even remotely stop it so far.
@@BryanPlaysAlot Perhaps. The only way to prove the total capability of armor and weapons is to have combat, but currently, we aren't having much of that.
0:06 correction, some rifled guns such as those in Arjun, challenger are also capable of firing APFSDS
Basically all western tanks before the adoption of the 120mm. Most of them were using the rifled L7
I love these videos and idk why
Who’s on first is my favorite Sabot & Costello bit.
Explosive reactive armor is used to protect against HEAT rounds, by preventing the penetrating jet from forming. It has absolutely no effect on a sabot round, which will simply pass right through ERA without detonating it.
No, No, The ERA effects both APFSDS and HEAT rounds. cause as soon as something hit ERA it explodes and send a plate outwards which either ruins the angle of a HEAT round which results in lesser penetration or for APFSDS it discombobulate APFSDS by ruining the angle of approach, so instead of nose of APFSDS hitting the armor, the side of APFSDS hits the armor resulting in lesser penetration. so, if the ERA is angled the more damage it prevents.
@@alimplays334 even then ERA is mostly for HEAT, the penetration reduction is too insignificant to also work against APFSDS sure it may work on better on older rounds but i dont think they give troops such old rounds that literally degrade pen like a quarter
why doesn't this channel become popular ?
What is the reason behind use of ballistic cap on the rod!!
*Super sized lawn darts*
Supersonic super sized lawn darts. SSSLD
For some reason I thought the fins folded out after the sleeve was separated from the penetrator... maybe I was thinking about HEATFS rounds
No need, since the dart is so skinny :D
Is it only to shoot throught to kill or can it make something destructive?
Now I’m waiting for the explanation video for BESH rounds
Error in first seconds already: APFSDS rounds are not limited to smoothbore cannons. They are effecively used from many rifled cannons and autocannons.
But the ammunition had to add a ring to maintain balance for the projectiles velocity.
And this ammunition process are consuming time and resources.
Also, spin =/= accuracy
Remember the sabat day, and keep it holy lol
SABATON 😂
can't wait till they release the
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I'm so excited
The first thing I saw was HELPME in there
is it available on amazon?
Actually some variants of apfsds can be fired through a rifled barrel
Then it's not apfsds, it's apds
@@ChopyChopy no it isn't, APFSDS can be fired from a rifled gun such as on the challenger 2 , the L23a1,L26a1,L27a1 are all fin rounds.
It’s not the same round as the US APFSDS “Silver Bullet” round, but still an APFSDS
@@Sturmischer the ""silver bullet" was a Depleted Uranium round, the UK also used DU ammo but very limitedly as it was expensive.
@Terry McConville Leo C1s I’m guessing?
Wouldn’t be surprised if APFSDS-DU rounds were made for the L7 105mm guns, they are still quite potent even today.
I’d like to see a theoretical breakdown of just how much metal is injected to the interior of the armored vehicle, and its typical effect on the crew and equipment inside.
I’ve read somewhere that to remove the crews’ remains involves a large water hose and somewhere to drain out the material.
That depends on what hit the tank. There is a good book by Lt. Belton Y Cooper, tasked with "recovery, repair, and maintenance" of American WWII tanks back into service in the ETO. While some of the book is of debate, there is no question that sometimes it was a messy job cleaning out tank crew's remains. The book is a very interesting one: Death Traps: The Survival of an American Armored Division in World War II. Thanks for your comment.
There’s some images that show the moments immediately after penetration. You can see the cloud of shrapnel and the penetrator itself.
Military History in a Minute Beltin Cooper has no first hand experience on what’s bad about the Sherman’s as his assumptions on the Sherman being a bad tank were largely disproven at this point by sources and people with first hand experience and historians. Death trap ain’t a way to put the Sherman either, it’s quite the opposite
@@H1MIN Cooper's book has been thoroughly debunked. He never bothered to ask a tank crewman why the knocked out tanks burned. They burned because all tank crews are taught that an enemy tank isn't dead until it starts burning. So you keep shooting at it until it's on fire.
There is an ammunition heap (that high explosive high perforation), and if so, how does it work?
Can't wait for APCBCHEATFSDS shells
It’s pronounced saboh not sabat
depends on where you live. when was the last time you heard someone call a short rifle a cahrabean
@@johjoh4571 if you live somewhere where they say words wrong that doesn't make it right. It just means you live somewhere full of idiots.
@@nilloc93 the wrong way > the french way
@@chryon315 Lol nice joke bruv
@@nilloc93 OK asshole
What's concerning is depleted uranium... I can't imagine surviving, only to die of uranium poisoning...
when an APFSDS hit and penetrate the tank, there is no time for poisoning the crew, only up to 7000*C temperature for less than second inside tank also high pressure air which fraction bones and internal organs of crew blow up, also fragments from the rood also from cracked plate of tank hull will penetrate the body of crew, then another explosion of ammunition cartridges in the tank which is result of fragments which hit and penetrate the ammo cartridges full with explosive and initiate to burn such explosive inside the tank hull, and for next 5 seconds such high temperature will bake the crew body's, then some more explosions in row which come from exploding tank shells (HE or HEAT) which explode like result of high temperature inside the tank, which results on total collapse of the tank and everything inside. Literally the tank inside will melt. Terrible death...
You can see fragments inside tank hit by APFSDS. Imagine if the tank was full of ammunition and crew... ua-cam.com/video/KU0_9ika42o/v-deo.html
Anyone knows how does a ring sabot works? I can't understand how ring sabot works.
Can I ask what graphics software the channel owner uses to create 3d images in the video, can I know the name?
Literally just the equivalent of throwing a ROCK at 5x the speed of sound is better than any real round
So basically, this is a humane weapon meant to liquidfy the enemy crew? That's crazy.
the sabot doesn't liquefy the crew. The trip through the exit point performs that action.
@@marshfield01 There are no liquifying effects to APFSDS ammunition exiting a tank. Friendly fire incidents in Desert Storm proved this.
Men you do very nice videos
keep it up yo
Some warfare engineer:”hey let’s just de/evolve and use a big ass arrow instead of an actual shell”
Well shells are just fat fucking arrows lol
Explain better than 10 min of warthunder video
Which one?
We can defeated maus with this shell
Maus's armour was already redundant in the late 50s when HEATFS came about
@@CrazyDutchguys You're right.
Most of the WW2 tanks are pure steel Armor. Which why HESH, HEAT-FS can easily defeat old WW2 tank but modern is different issues.
I'm pretty sure explosive reactive armor would stop this? Or is that only for shaped charge rockets?
watching this for War Thunder knowledge. Great vids!
spaced armor also weakens the penetration potential of apfsds by a lot
Pronounced saybow
Does anyone have the link for the video of an old man describing exactly what happens scientifically when firing a sabot? I’ve been searching for it for months but I can’t find it no matter what terminology I use. Thanks.
What do you mean by that? It works the same way as a bullet.
would it be good to have a Apfsds whit to dense cores and one less denser between them, like a double chaped charg warhead? one smaller to defeat ERA and other to pen base armour?
ERA has a very minimal effect on APFSDS. Hard Kill active protection systems are a bigger problem.
ERA does nothing to kinetic penetrators.
russian ERA have an effect against kinetic penetrators as inside the brick there is an angled plate which when the explosive set off is pushed out and due to the fact that it's angled it goes to "snap" the penetrator causing it to lose penetration... it can theoretically decrease the penetration up to 30% but realistically around 15%.
Relikt ERA can reduces APFSDS penetration up to 50%
Oh yeah I forgot about that.
Necronuclear that's simple bullshit... best reduction scenario reach 20-25% K-5 10-15%
BlackSkorpion1991 There is Relikt ERA. It's third gen ERA. It claimed that Relikt can reduce kinetic ammo up to 50%
I watch this video at least once a week
Is this APCR in wot blitz if not can you make a video about APCR
Not just "Explosive Reactive Armor", rather all "Reactive Armor" in general(NXRA, NERA..)
I am sorry but I learn more from this video than I did in the military.
*History tends to repeat itself*
So basically we went back to a bow and arrows... but with gunpowder acceleration within a cannon + some modern materials.
Does anyone know who invented this round
I tought the rod it still in shape when piercing, right?
Well yeah, though it will deformed anyway when piercing armor that's thick enough.
what is the nail
the propellant fits in a way reminiscent of caseless ammunition
5 x the speed of sound from a powder charge?
I don't think so but if I'm wrong I'd love to know which weapon system does this.
It is true. The DM53 for example reaches 1750 m/s, while the speed of sound is "only" 343 m/s. You have to keep in mind, these shells use incredibly strong charges, and all of the charges explosive energy is focused on the penetrator thanks to the sabot.
Can this shell penetrate maus Upperplate?
Can someone make pin needles shaped like those ?
BF4 Repairslave : GETS OUT BLOWTORCH
Wow short and good
0:15 the sabot peels away. I've seen videos of the primer cap ejecting into the tank. What exactly happens to the tube/shell casing looking part of the round? Does it burn up and what kind of material is it made out of?
The casings of these rounds are made of a special polymer that burns up completely when the round is fired, it is made this way so that the interior of the tank will stay relatively uncluttered even after an long engagement.
Most tanks use a metal baseplate on the casing for better reliability, which is seen in the video, whilst the bulk of the case is made of burnable material that is destroyed when fired
Russian powder charges work in a similar way, just in two pieces and with a hard-cloth shell instead of polymer. The metal plate is also used to remove heat from the gun, and is often ejected after firing (russian tanks), or left inside during combat (many western tanks)
Can you please do a video on the abcdefg-123 shells?
I'm here for learning how to use various shells in War Thunder.
I'm trying to learning by experiencing. but it's just making me stressful.
When you can't think of any usernames, so you just smash the keyboard and APFSDS is now your username
So it's basically just super powerful big dart
This is really useful information how these tank rounds work and as an weapons artist its important to accurately portray how ammunition work.
Pls more of such videos
You how about that *B* ESH round?
So with these kinds of rounds what happens to the actual physical cartridge case? I've watched a few vids of abhrams firing these and the primer piece ejects and the sabot fires but wtf happens to the actual damn casing made of metal?!
Same question
When I was an LAV crewman in the marines, we learned about the APFSDS-T (Armor Piercing Fin Stabilized Discarding Sabot with Tracer) rounds for the M242 25mm bushmaster chaingun that our LAV-25's used. The projectiles are depleted uranium, and supposedly their effective range was 4+ kilometers. Thing is, though, the cost per round is so high that they don't even issue those rounds anymore... But supposedly they exist.
Alex510 M919 ?
@@christophegroulx8187 honestly I don't remember the proper nomenclature for it. We always just called it APFSDS-T.
Alex510 Oh yeah it’s the M919
@@christophegroulx8187 I've also talked with guys from oif1 who say that ammo type was found to degrade the integrity of the barrel due to the propellant being more explosive than what the gun was originally designed for. Again though, I've never fired APFSDS-T so I can't speak from experience.
When y’all get into a real war I’m pretty sure the du ammo will be issued
The most lethal needle
how do I protect my computer from one?